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Oh Ardi we worship thee!!

Akanniade:
Nigeria, land of the deluded and gullible.

This should be engraved on our coat of arms. . .

hubreality:
The land and the good people of Nigeria have gladly recieved this precious gift today. Watch out on the awesome testimonies across the nation.

Did they not distribute that useless brochure last year, is nigeria not worse off today?

What visible impact has the raphsody of stupidities produced in the past one year?

BTW, Why is the booklet not free every month?

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=330936.msg4652179#msg4652179 date=1254477143]Tudor,

abuses and insults connotes signs of childishness you know!, its doesnt take people any where irrespective of their opinions or beliefs[/quote]bla bla bla. . .

Where did I insult you?
Stick to issues and stop whining like spoilt kid.

Now to answer your question


And the list goes on and on,now on the side of obsesseion isnt that what you guys (athiests) do here all day? obsessed about either christianity or islamism and their Gods. With that i say athiesm is a religion, u guys should come up and tell us which sect of your religion you belong. If you throw abuses again i wont reply u, do you understand? behave maturedly for once

This is seriously embarrassing. . .

I asked you to define religion and you did as "An institutional or personal system of beliefs or practices relating to the divine". . . . then went ahead to define obsession not minding that the word "obsession" doesn't even come up in your definition of religion. Then magically conclude that obsession = Religion. HOW?

You have not even told us the relationship between obsession and Religion, and how they come to mean the same thing.

And since your definition of obsession is "An object, practice, cause or activity that somebody is completely devoted to" please tell us which of the following obsessions is religion and which is not, stating your reasons.

1. An obsession/devotion to football
  2. A devotion to educating the deluded as to the lies and fallacies of religion.
3. An obsession for nairaland.
4. A devotion/obsession with sex (like deep sight)

No2Atheism:
are u sure u r not a white man in disguise . .  how can i be anti - semitic against people who are not even semetic.

wow this a new low for u . . .

HA HA HA. . .so you do not deny you're racist. . .thats good, at least you're learning honesty.

As for your Anti-semitism your excuse is "The jews I hate are the fake white jews in israel today. . .god told me jesus was a black man".


Dude, I like you coz you're funnily CRAZY. . .do you do drugs up there in manchester?

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[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=330936.msg4651724#msg4651724 date=1254472468]@Tudor,

You see why i said you guys are so confused, imagine you crying foul over the mention of the religion 'Antagonism'. That term for you info means "having hatred for something thereby causing ill will". And all my life i have never come across any athiest who has so much hatred for Christianity than yourself.

Even your so called professors dont even knwo why they oppose what they oppose. Maybe the better religion for all athiests is CONFUSIONISM 

Or Maybe you are even faking yourself as an Athiest in the first place. Mr.Damn Damn Damn 

Athiests - Bunch of confused folks  I feel pity[/quote]Why are you ranting senselessly? . . . .could it be because you now realise how extremely dumb and ignorant your arguments look?

Why run away from the question : Can you give me a basic definition of the term RELIGION?

And tell us how "antagonism", "confusionism", "hypocris" and all the rubbish terms you listed qualify as religion. Is this so hard for ya?

Deep Sight:
1. The Cause was immaterial - because if it brought all matter into existence, then logically it could not be matter itself.

This is assuming NOTHING existed (including matter, energy e.t.c)before the formation of the known universe, right?

Err, how'd you know this?
Even science has found it difficult to explain the state before the bang but not to worry, prof deepsight has it all figured out. . .

2. The Cause was powerful - because as someone rightly stated, "the big bang was the mother of all explosions." Thus the cause of such a bang must be very powerful indeed.

What kind of power are you talking about?
Is it having so much of the type of energy found in the universe or having magical powers?

3. The Cause was timeless - because to bring time into existence, it must stand outside time.

I believe krayola has answered on you on this.

Looking at the state of racists and anti-semitics like cap28 and No2atheism I can only thank ajujijaba for my sanity. . .kai!

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=330936.msg4642030#msg4642030 date=1254328196]@KunleOshod and deep sight,

Believe me, dats one thing that puzzles me till date, i was chatting with one renowned athiest online by name of PROF. CHACY GATESTAY to ascertain the reasons for their arguments

excerpts from an online chat, though incomplete

1. He said Athiesm is not a religion, ok i said, so what is it? He said "they are a movement (not religion) that chooses to see life from a PYCHOLOGICAL point of view

2. How do you mean Psychological? i asked again and He said "Pychology beleives and operates based on what we see, feel , hear , smell and touch, then i asked him, wouldnt that mean more of a religion we can call "PHYSICALISM" (i just chose the word for him ) then he said "yeah yeah if i want to call it that but we aint no religion"

3. Then i suggested to him thus "perhaps dont you guys really need to proclaim to the world at large that you have a new religion and you choose to call it PHYSICALISM, then he screamed online, "oh no no no, we athiest never want to be identified with any religion"

4. Again i asked him, "if you dont want to be associated or identified with any religion, but you choose to accept whatever your senses tell you, then you could be fitted into the religion of FREETHINKERS" [/b]again he said no, then i asked him, what then do you guys really want

5. He said we are a MOVEMENT (not religion ) and as a movement our assignment is to enlighten the world that what they claim as religion is nothing but a delusion [b]then i said congrats then you definitely have a religion called ANTAGONISM, [/b]because my point to him was that [b]every human on earth is a RELIGIOUS ENTITY whether you choose xtianity, islamism, buddism, animalism or paganism, the roots is that you believe in something, even though if not the existence of a supernatural being but the inexistence of a supernatural being.

ATHIEST or whatever you guys call yourself, pls come out and own up, lets know who you guys really are, lest your religion i will call HYPOCRISM  [/quote]Bro, did you attend school at all?

Can you give me a basic definition of the term RELIGION?

The professor was obviously being patient with you. . . . I cant see myself discussing online with someone who invents totally ridiculous terms as "Religion of Antagonism"- what the hell is that? Damn!

Ooooh Deepsight again? Have we not dealt with this topic severally?

Deep Sight:
Here is the argument.

1. Definition: By God, we mean that the universe was created by an entity. That entity is what we refer as God. Godship is defined as being the First Cause, Prime Mover, and maker of all existence.

This IS A LIE. This isn't what you define as "god". You people know quite well scientists believe the universe as we know it was "caused to happen" i.e a causative factor for the sequence of events that led to this universe.

Whether its as a result of the metamorphosis of a previously existent body or not We DONT KNOW what exactly but you lot go on to define it as "God".

You know your definition of god goes beyond prime mover/first cause but you conviniently present a definition of God = first cause (that we all agree is plausible) to rail road us into accept the highlighted below

7. Therefore, the Cause (Creator) of the Universe, is Living, Intelligent, Powerful. . . and every other thing, positive or negative, within the Universe.

  8. . . . . . . . The composite Image is complete.

The above is your REAL definition of God and severally we've shown your definition to be mere assertions without basis.

Argument[/b]
  1. The Universe is not eternal in the past: the Big Bang shows that it began at a point.

  2. Everything that begins to exist, has a cause.

  3. The Universe is something, and it began to exist at a point.

  4. The Universe therefore had a Cause. The Cause of all existence, is something that itself exists of itself (e.g: numbers or infinity) without requiring anything else to exist, since all that exists, are effects of an ultimate cause.

   5. "Creator" is the equivalent of the term - "Causative Factor" - or "that which makes something happen". This seals the argument on creation, as the Cause = the Creator (Or "First Mover."

All what this shows is the universe had a cause and like I said, science tends to agree.

5. The Cause (Creator) of the universe could not bequeath features that it does not have itself. (This is obvious within sciences such as genetics).
6. Every feature inherent in the Universe (including Life, Intelligence, and Power AND EVERY OTHER FEATURE) is therefore also contained within the Cause (Creator).

  7. Therefore, the Cause (Creator) of the Universe, is Living, Intelligent, Powerful. . . and every other thing, positive or negative, within the Universe.

  8. . . . . . . . The composite Image is complete.

Your whole definition rests on the highlighted.

As evident in genetics also I might have the genes for haemophilia which manifests in my kid in a later generation. Does that make me a haemophiliac?

I've got the genes for albinism which i pass on to my kid does that make me an albino?

For these traits above to be manifest in my offspring(creation) the right condition and combination of genes need to be present. So also the causative element for the universe may have the neccessary elements for life it doesn't necessarily mean its alive.

[quote author=Aloy.Emeka link=topic=330652.msg4644378#msg4644378 date=1254359203]Not at all. Where are you? Christ Embassy is a global ministry, I am sure there is a branch near you. Our vision is that by 2020, there must be a Christ Embassy church within 1 KM of every Nigerian home . [/quote]What kind of useless vision is this?
How is this supposed to move us forward?

[quote author=Aloy.Emeka link=topic=330652.msg4644174#msg4644174 date=1254356189]Guy cool down. Why all these vex?. We are sharing Rhapsodies because we care for your soul. Heaven no de hungry you?. Even if you are hungry on earth, always remember that its for a short while because very soon you will go to heaven where there will be no pains and hunger.[/quote]HA?
I no fit shout. . . .

Also, what have you done to alleviate the pains of the 80% you mentioned?. At least Christ Embassy is motivating the poor so that they can get through their daily pains in peace. What have you done for them apart from vexing on nairaland.

As I read this na so my body just weak. . . . Chai!

[quote author=Aloy.Emeka link=topic=330652.msg4643036#msg4643036 date=1254337844]
Man shall not live by bread alone.[/quote]WHAT?!
I'm pretty sure you were eating bread as you typed this rubbish.

Rhapsody of realities will feed your soul.  Try and come out that day for your copy, your soul is more important to us than your stomach.

Who cares about the soul? Why is my soul important to you?

80% of 180 million nigerians live on less than $1 a day and you're telling them to feed the soul?
Nigerians are naturally gullible but go to a refugee camp in congo or ethiopia and say this "feed your soul" bullshit and see if you come out alive or dead with a dry spoon up your arse.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=329644.msg4640728#msg4640728 date=1254319589]@Tudor,

i have been following some of your posts on NL in general and believe me, no responsible person will want to put up with you, and i wouldnt want to start anything against you as i wont be the first either

there is a maxim always said that"a mad person doesnt see himself as one, even when told"

its no use arguing with you my brother and friend[/quote]Really?
Well, In that case stop ranting thoughtlessly and we're cool.

^^^ Are you retarded?

Yeah right, lehman brothers won international awards too. So did intercontinental bank only to be bailed out from distress days later.

I aint spending my money on that book. If you've got a free copy drop it.

GODSON2009:
i will say this based on the fact that i am a member of the redeemed church,one thing we must not fail to realise is that pastor adeboye on his own,or the church collectively cannot solve nigeria's problems, you should hold your leaders accountable for that,[/b]he can only do his own bit which he is doing.

Emm which leaders?
Is it the same OBJ who he was best pals and spiritual father to?

Or Yar'adua who was rigged into power yet the holy pastor was the first to go conduct thanksgiving service for the "new" government?

Howabout the unconstitutional and illegal presidential import waiver granted to the G.O by OBJ because they are friends?

Is that how jesus and prophets like elijah woulda behaved to such corrupt politicians?

Face it, your retarded G.O is part of our problem.

[b]secondly,the fact that the man does not talk or shout unnecessarily about his charity works doesnt mean he isnt doing anything,

Oh, but the man would SHOUT each time he's asking for donations, right?

He won't fail to make noise when he opens an RCCG branch in Texas. He shouts when he's written a totally useless book and urge members to buy. He buys a jet SHOUT. Orders four more jets we won't hear word. . . .But when it comes to charity he's totally secretive. . . . Do you think people are stupid?

Let me tell you, you do not need to make noise when you're massively into charity. . . YOUR WORKS WILL SPEAK LOUDEST FOR YOU.
I'm still waiting for a faint whisper from daddy GOat.

i will let u all into some of his private  charities which you might not know,
go to ifewara his home town, he gave not less than 1 billion naira in total for a micro finance scheme,not only for the town,but for underlying areas as well,both muslims,christians,even idol worshippers have acessed out of thesze loans, at a time he was told some people were just collecting the money without utilising it well,but he told them not to worry,and till date he is still funding them.

also his wife,pastor mrs adeboye has her own children's charity and [b]they sponsor the building of schools and other stuffs needed for children to sucessfully complete schools,not just in nigeria,but as far as malawi,[/b]any redeemed member in uk and the us will tell you interested members prayed and donated towards the malawi outreach last year/this year but they are not in the habit of shouting or looking for photo opportunities with world leaders or politicians on account of their charities,neither are they looking to steal anyone's money,thas why you dont know about these things,

CAN YOU PROVIDE SOURCES PLEASE?
Give us location and addresses of these facilities we might know people who need help.

this is outside of all the individual giving pastor adeboye does both on behalf of himself,and his family, i challenge you to ask any redeemed pastor or any church he has ever visited,and they will tell you that nobody gives more than pastor adeboye,funny thing is that he doesnt pay his own tithes in redeemed but depper life or other churches

Funny thing he knows how to collect but finds it difficult to give.

He prefers to build mega expensive universities with poor peoples money yet its totally beyond their reach. Spend 7bn on a church auditorium in the midst of poverty and suffering yet still charge the poor people N20 each time they wanna use the toilet.

Four jets are on the way, no prizes for guessing who's footing the bill.

GODSON2009:
what is with us nigerians and the blame game??
tb joshua came,he didnt spend any money on himself,but was spending on the disabled,widows e.t.c you nigerians said he was the devil and he got his power from satan,even with the man's wide acceptance abroad.

Shut up!
Who started the allegations against TB joshua if not pentecostal pastors and PFN of which your beloveth pastor adeboye is a member. Even till today PFN refuse to recognise pastor joshua as christian.

Dumb nigerians were only towing the lines of ther criminal pastors.

now,and you are going on about functioning government, how many private jets does the oral roberts family have?
how about keneth hagin?
mike murdoch?if you have not been to tulsa oklahoma,ask anyone how big the oral roberts university is,then you will realise redemption camp and the rest are child's play,now tell me was the clintons,bushes,obamas e.t.c functioning all these time or nay?
let us leave the pastor and his personal ministry alone and concentrate on the nigerian government,AGAIN we the members are not complaining,and there are more than one ways for pastors these days to make money, tithes and offerings are soo old fashioned

With this I wonder if you're educated at all.
How else does pastors like Adeboye make money if not from tithes, offerings and donations?
Does he have any other job?

Its ridiculous what these goons say to defend their crooked pastors. . . .

What?!
Na raphsody we go chop?

Any hungry man approached by a stupid goon of pastor chris to deliver that useless brochure, pick up a dane gun and blast the bastard to mecca.

dgreatrock:
Tudor i never knew you could be sooo childish!
Grow up, boy!

Errr. . . .you also applied for the same post, didn't you?

I can't say I'm suprised. . . .

dgreatrock:
One of the weapons satan uses in blinding people from being saved is the money factor. As many as show such traits needs our most urgent intercession.

Why not answer the question asked by kunleoshob instead of shamelessly calling the devils name.

Why do the pastors only stand for jesus when it comes to collecting money but not when it comes to helping the poor?

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=329644.msg4639292#msg4639292 date=1254307694]@Manmustwac,

hey u are very wrong in citing that instance of utd vs. city, as far as i know, i aint here to compete with any other religion or to impose my belief on another, rather i discuss issues with people of my faith, so muslims, traditionalists , buddist and the likes can go ahead and do theirs for all i care.

You seeing this section as some form of competition is a wrong view, and i guess that was what was in seun's mind too b4 he chose you. which to me is an error.This place is where peeps come together to learn and grow in RELIGIOUS ISSUES (matters that pattern to the supernatural ), but so far since i have been reading thru' almost all "RENOWNED ATHIESTS' "i havent seem to come across any post from them that teaches about the spiritual life and matter that relate to it rather what they do is create unneccessary arguments and start posts which barely last up to 3threads.

Brother, i aint dissing/beefing you as that would be unfair and immatured of me, but rather i am still saying that ATHIESM AINT NO RELIGION HENCE LACK THE CAPACITY TO MODERATE A RELIGIOUS SECTION.

i can comfortably put up with a muslim, a buddist, an animalist, a catholic and the likes, but not with ATHIEST, u know y? because they argue blindly[/quote]Another useless and totally senseles rant.

Whether you admit it or not each religion here tries to impose and promote its god as the only right and true god.
Even among the deluded christians bitter debates usually go on about catholics and protestants, tithers and non-tithers, holy spirit is god and is not. So many uncountable face offs. . .tell me hypocrite, is it atheists that start those threads too?

Its only an atheist with no vested interest in any camp that can moderate fairly and not give undue advantage to one side because he supports their doctrine. Get that into your jealous head.

[quote author=Tonye-t link=topic=329644.msg4638894#msg4638894 date=1254304056]I really dont know why some peeps cannot just answer a simple question *what has credentials got to do with a simple question asked?*

Tudor are you ok? or maybe i should rephrase the question better[/quote]Isn't it obvious you're angry because you were not chosen?
Why is this so painful for you? Na wa oo.

Anybody ever heard of Caroline Johnson?

TheSeeker:
Tudor, pay no mind to those pastors. The Bible says we shouldn't judge so we won't be judged but I have an instinct that tells me most of these pastors will end up in that fiery flame they have been preaching against. I've never come across any of those pastors involved in active humanitarian service yet, they are carrying the Bible -- or is it cocaine stuffed in the bible now -- all over the world.

They are a disgrace to humanity. One reason Muslim clerics are better than Christian's is they are mostly settled for a worthy cause. Let this kind of problem be taken to two mosques and see if the money won't be realized, in fact, you will be surprised that only one person will give all the money needed to foot the bills. What more can I say! All of the Christian clerics are just public disgrace not only to humanity but to God that they claim to 'serve'. I wonder most of the time what version of the Bible they read, or maybe it's another version written in Iran and sponsored by George Bush

You've spoken truth my brother. . . . May the Force be with you.

dgreatrock:
@Atheist, what has that got to do with African?

We do muddle things up when we mix up what cannot blend!

I am an African and will live and die as one, but moreso i am a Christian and will live and die as one.

live and die a christian all you want but don't use your fu.ckedup bible -inspired ideas to marginalise and kill children.

aysometin:
@ Tudor, Tudor, Tudor!! How many times did I call you?? biko nu, let's leave this for another day (or at least till all the money is complete and the boy has gone for his surgery.

Na lie, we must ask what the holy bastards are doing with poor peoples money. I'm sure there's one RCCG branch (probably two) located on the boys street. If you're name aint "gulfstream jet" those retards won't spend on you.

Tudor,

You can send Western Union to someone you trust in Nigeria and ask them to pay it to the mother's account for you
better stiil use Paypal na!! Just do it for the boy and forget about it being scam!!

I'm gonna use the western union option. Internet payments can easily be embezzled.

@Topic

Isn't it obvious?
Mammywater spirit has possessed them all. . .

Osisi I know how your kids feel. . . . My mum being igbo never let us rest every morning with that osondi song and a host of others. I had to move to the BQ in my teens to get some sanity.

Only a brain-dead lunatic would believe he's gonna party in the clouds with a dead white jewish carpenter when he/she dies. And those who do not kiss the white ass of his imaginary yahweh would roast eternally. . . . I mean, how juvenile can some people be?

Sharap there!
Any evidence?

By the way, are you not a pastor/evangelist or sumtin' ?