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This is really funny!
I have no problem with people believing in the existence of a god but desperately trying enforce it as undisputable "fact" with mere conjectures and labelling them "proofs" is really sickening. . .

When people make such statements as "Now nothing can be brought from potentiality to actual existence except through something actually existing"- It presupposes that the claimant actually knows EVERYTHING in the universe and beyond to make such a bold daring declaration. . . That is the problem here, you people claim to have "been there, done that" meanwhile science is actively trying to find answers by learning about our vast and diverse universe. And to think I just heard someone mention "open mind" a few posts ago, how ironic. . .my heart bleeds. . . .

This is really funny!
I have no problem with people believing in the existence of a god but desperately trying enforce it as undisputable "fact" with mere conjectures and labelling them "proofs" is really sickening. . .

When people make such statements as "Now nothing can be brought from potentiality to actual existence except through something actually existing"- It presupposes that the claimant actually knows EVERYTHING in the universe and beyond to make such a bold daring declaration. . . That is the problem here, you people claim to have "been there, done that" meanwhile science is actively trying to find answers by learning about our vast and diverse universe. And to think I just heard someone mention "open mind" a few posts ago, how ironic. . .my heart bleeds. . . .

ocelot2006:
Maybe if Isreal stops the stealing of Palestinian lands, freezes the building of new settlements on stolen, stop the targeted assassination of Palestinians, hands over Shebba farms to Lebanon, vacate the territorial waters and airspace of Gaza, end the blockade of basic aids (food, medicine, etc) to Gaza, then maybe young Palestinians and members of Hezbollah will not be pushed to carry out acts of terror. Remember, when you push a poor man who has lost EVERYTHING (loved ones, friends, his dignity, etc), he will be forced to act `cos he no longer has anything to lose.

Gaza is blockaded because the terrorist hamas controls the territory. . .no need feeding and clothing rag-heads who wanna murder you. Targeted assassinations are against well known terrorists. Like I said if the islamist bastards keep terrorising israel, they should be prepared for whatever repercussions.

johnson11:
Tudor, i have been reading your comment here on nairaland i have to say you are the most worst and dangerous liberal mind i have ever set my eyes on, you are a fool a big one indeed if not you will never doubt God and his instrument ,Believe in God and you shall be save and believe in his prophet and you shall prosper, God has really been kindly and lovely to me his son so much can i believe in his prophet,

No Shit. . . . .

richcookie:
Yes the ultimate topic avoided by so many of the faithfull. Do you know what color Jesus was?
Remember the story in the Bible happened in Africa.

Do you have a white jesus poster on your walls?

Do you somehow suspect he must be white because of the state of the black continent?

Do you know most whites believe Jesus was white?

Do you know the white posters of Jesus you see is a clever form of subconcious propramming to make blacks think whites are superior?

Do you know that Jesus was trainned on how to perform all those miracles?

Do you know that every miracle Jesus did, you can perform?

Do you know that whites came to egypt and stole the spiritual books that detailed rituals performed by Moses, and other priests to create miracles and are now using the rituals to rule the world?

Please dont tell me it does not matter, because i will say, why then are all the poster of him as a white man and not as a black man?

Do you know why the bible contains so many sacrifices some even of HUMANS?

Reasonable arguements please, as i have more detail facts depending on the response.

Another No2Atheism in the making. . . . .

[quote author=rita@NL link=topic=336772.msg4728464#msg4728464 date=1255477459]Ewure ni iwo bobo ye  Ode .

@ post

That is  something serious, you really need to pray. It could mean you have spiritual  husband n you are giving birth to your children in anoda world but wait and see if you start breastfeeding,then you will know you are in for it.[/quote]My goodness!
Is this display intentional or you were born like this?

Deep Sight:
David -

I see you opened this thread about three years ago.

I hope that in that period you have had enough time to reflect on how gravely misguided the idea of "praying" for Israel is.

I am sure you watched the way that particular war turned out (Lebanon). More importantly, i am sure you saw the follow-up carried out by your combative Jews in Gaza last year.

I am sure that you, as an academic, have taken the time to go through the United Nations Human Rights and War Crimes Report compiled by the UN after an exhasutive study of that crisis.

I am certain that as a supposedly objective person, you will have the nerve to admit that nothing but the worst form of religious zealotry and dogmatism could make a West African living hundreds of years after the inscription of Jewish scripture sit around to canvass spiritual support for an approach taken by a militant nation which will doubtless ensure decades, if not centuries of undending conflict?

Instead of being so "religious" maybe you should spare a thought for the innocent civilians and children involved in this.

And oh, before you go off praying in tongues for Israel, go find out how many casualties they had in Gaza last year. Only 9. Four of which fell to friendly fire.

Dont you think the civilian palestinian population who suffered over 3000 casualties deserve more prayers?

What of The Hamas and hezbollah militants firing/sending rockets/suicide bombers into Israel? What'd you expect the israelis to do, shoot candy and ice cream into gaza?

If you're willing to allow your territory to be the launching pad for acts of terrorism against a sovereign state you should be prepared for the consequencies.

Krayola:
Oga Tudor where are you?  Oya come and tender your apology before the court!!

Haba wetin I do na?
Mind you deep sight is my lawyer. . . .beware!

noetic15:
My apology goes to the growing population of all  those I have debated with on this religious forum, who have felt offended by the tone of my posts and have referenced them to mean attacks/insults from me. . . . , I cant help but say sorry.

Its ok to disagree . . . . . . .Thats just my way of expressing my point of view, no ulterior motives or attacks or pun was intended.



Copy: mazaje, banom,huxley, KAG, bawomolo, Abuzola, Fellis, Olabowale, Babs767, tudor,  pastor AIO, wirinet, manmustwac, toneyb, purist, Deepsight, duduspace, Ogaga4luv, the NL islamic community and all others who have at one time or the other felt offended by the TONE of my posts.

As far as am concerned this is totally unnecessary coz I've never been offended by your posts . . . . I don't know about others but I have no problems with your approach. People should learn to tolerate different views and techniques. . .we're all different with diverse temperaments, we can't all be uptight diplomats for f**ks sake.

Purist:
@ Deep Sight

This is not to excuse banom's stupidity (sorry, I couldn't think of a better word), but I think tpia is equally very stupid, if not more (again, I'm sorry).  Infact, they are BOTH very PUERILE.

tpia is a resident troublemaker on this forum.  A lot of times, she starts the trouble and she then proceeds to play the victim just to gain people's sympathy.  A very good example is on this thread: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-314028.0.html#msg4751442 where she attacked banom for no known reason.  The manner in which these two keep derailing almost every available thread should worry any well-meaning individual.  And to think these two people are ADULTS (in age anyway) is really pathetic.

My point is this, whatever punishment is going to be meted out on these two should be EQUAL.

The is the most TRUTHFUL statement i've read in quite a while. . Tpia is extremely vulgar with her putrid mouth, she needs help.

johnson11:
Playboy you are a fool, the Bible say woe unto the Earth cause the Devil has come to you, that means he has but a short time, who care about Bill gate or whatever but i am saying Dont abuse men of God cause they are the instrument of God he use to release his blessing onto us

This is the mugu mentality. . . .another ripe fruit waiting to be plucked by Daddy Adeboye and his gang of theives. . .

johnson11:
The wise do say one fools doubt proofs, Even a hardcore muslim knows that Pastor E.A Adeboye and Bishop David Oyedepo ,Dr. Olukoya and Co are real men of God cause the evidence is there,

This is really funny. . . .what evidences please?

fully there even your president dare not go say anything agnist them,

Or is it the so-called "men of god" that dare not speak against the president and corrupt politicians who grace their terbanacles and contribute huge stolen funds to their churches?. . . . . .[quote][/quote]

Nosa 77:
This is from today's Complete Sports. When will Nigerians wake up to appreciate what we have

PRESIDENT MILLS THANKS NIGERIANS! Singles out TB Joshua as Lead Prayer Warrior For Ghana's World Cup Success

Ghana President, Professor John Evans Atta Mills was full of thanks to Nigeria for their prayers and support, which he said ensured the Black Satellites won Africa's first title in the U-20 category following a pulsating penalty shoot-out victory over Brazil yesterday, which threw the whole of Ghana into frenzy.

President Mills revealed that he had contacted Prophet TB Joshua to intensify prayers for the team [/b]after he was alerted about how several predictions of The Synagogue General Overseer on Super Eagles' World Cup Qualifiers came to pass lately.

Our source revealed that the Ghana U-20 coach, [b]Silas Tetteh had also made a nocturnal visit to Nigeria to meet the prophet, and was told that Ghana will win the match on penalties, provided the coach allow Andrew Dede Ayew to take the first kick - which eventually came to pass.

"It gives me great joy to rejoice with Ghana and indeed Africa for this win. I was on line to Nigeria asking for prayers from the man of God to help our team, and I was assured that we will win on penalties. May God bless Nigeria for their support," he said.

"I was told what the man of God said; which revealed that we will win on penalties - and thank God it has come to pass," the president revealed.

The president said that the win has brought more joy to Ghanaians all over the world and indeed Africans, who had waited for 32 years to bring the FIFA U-20 World Cup trophy to Africa.

It would be recalled that Prophet TB Joshua had predicted all the matches involving Super Eagles correctly, and it remains to be seen what awaits Nigeria's Golden Eaglets at the forthcoming U-17 World Cup.

SOURCE: Complete Sports - Vol. 5 No. 024 - Saturday October 17th 2009

Nigerians and their illiteracy sef. . .why didn't the foolish prophet tell amodu or siasia the exact team to pick in order to win their respective matches,eh?

Why are you all disturbing my man noetic,eh?
Is he being paid for this interview?

@deep sight.
Howz the book coming?
Make sure you send me a copy

noetic15:
A diluted version of the gospel is appealing to a helpless atheist . . . . , its a narrow road and only FEW find it. . . .Jesus said so and not me.

ha ha ha ha. . . . .Na today you start to dey craze?

Even though I've been quite busy shuttling around coz of work, i've been following this thread and i must say i respect pastor's convictions on god. If all religionists were like him honestly the world would be such a happy place. . .we'd be kissing one another here on the religion section instead of the usual fighting. . . One love pastor.

manmustwac:
You deserve a standing ovation for that intro Deep Sight Claps Hands Where did u learn to write like that?  

Don't you know Deep Sight is a lawyer. . .he does this shit for a living. he once told me he specializes in election tribunals, representing Olusegun Mimiko last time around.

chocoLove:
Hi Brothers and sisters!

i have seen dreams concerning this one person{christian+God fearing} and i wanted to ask you guys,

i once asked God for a SIGN concerning a person and that night i saw 2-3 dreams about that i was asking God.

i thought i was thinking of it too much,  MAYBE!!, i don't know how i could see 3 dreams all one after another,

then one other day early in the morning , i woke up but still sleepy,  a sunday morning , took a bath, went back to sleep and again another dream about this person,

i know if it was the devil i would have been afraid or scared because satan came to steal,kill & distroy, but still can this be GOD?! !! if yes I'm so exited! I've been praying for 5 years about this issue,

thanks for reading guys!

This thing no be magic. . . . If you've been longing and concentrating on one lover for 5 years you're bound to see the dude in dreams even in your tea cup. . .Its neither god nor allah speaking to you but your innermost desires manifesting in as dreams. if it makes you feel better to say its god, then so be it.

banom:
@ Tudor,
That guy on the bike carrying that lady looks like you, are u the one ?

Banom, no be me oooo. . . . . Those folks on bike are actually riding to RCCG camp to make daddy happy

banom:
Tudor you are beginning to hit my nerve, are you blind ? cant you see that Daddy Adeboye's status and holy con changed to global standard,  is that not a change?

and this man is our Daddy , me u and others.

I'm terribly sorry prophet banom, I wonder how I could be so blind. . . .It is only by the power of the lawd that a man can maintain such a criminal venture for a long time even expanding abroad (to the detriment of his mumu followers). . . . The lord has been good to Eunuch adeJALE. praise the lawd!!!!

There's no one christian doctrine. And its dishonest to blame all the problems on non-christians as most proponents are doing.

Christians persistently open threads ridiculing each other, tithers v non tithers, catholics v Protestants etc. I guess we create a seperate board for each sect, right?

On another note, who determines who is a christian and who's not?
If I decide to call myself christian who has the right to say am not?

Baraac:
Pastor Adeboye, Daddy G.O,
Please ride on with your good works, God will continue to enlarge your coast.
It's just too clear that some elements are too jealous and envious of this man of God. That is why you see him prospering.[b] United nations invited him and you see lots of changes since then in the last united nation General Assembly. [/b]He prayed at the world trade centre etc, God is seeing all the labour of his hands, I'm not a rccg person but I see God working mightly in the man of God.
Let me sound a note of warning as from today, keep your mouth shut if you don't know what to say on nairaland.
This is number one man of God  and the only man of God in the whole world that is listed among the most influencial people in the world.
Even if you are not trained to respect elders, please let us respect and give honour to this man of God.
I so much pity those that have been writing negative things against him, don't you read your bibles to know end of those speaking against men of God?
BE WARNED,
A word is enuf for a wise man.

This people and their brains sef! Can you list the so-called changes for us?

Baraac:
Pastor Adeboye, Daddy G.O,
Please ride on with your good works, God will continue to enlarge your coast.
It's just too clear that some elements are too jealous and envious of this man of God. That is why you see him prospering.[b] United nations invited him and you see lots of changes since then in the last united nation General Assembly. [/b]He prayed at the world trade centre etc, God is seeing all the labour of his hands, I'm not a rccg person but I see God working mightly in the man of God.
Let me sound a note of warning as from today, keep your mouth shut if you don't know what to say on nairaland.
This is number one man of God  and the only man of God in the whole world that is listed among the most influencial people in the world.
Even if you are not trained to respect elders, please let us respect and give honour to this man of God.
I so much pity those that have been writing negative things against him, don't you read your bibles to know end of those speaking against men of God?
BE WARNED,
A word is enuf for a wise man.

This people and their brains sef! Can you list the so-called changes for us?

lizton:
@ dayokanu -  It seems you have a date with Satan and your past misdeeds and wrong jiving is about to be accumulated and you getting rewarded for your past or inherited issue, If not you wont  be calling Pastor E A Adeboye adeJALE i.e THIEF , Watchout !!!! henceforth , except you ask God for forgiveness openly on this mattar , Your life and everything about you will turn to a pitiable reverse .You will never no no joy again in your life except you repent on this same Nairaland , for calling Pastor E A Adeboye , THIEF,  A man of God ? You can reach me on       jesusluvsyu2@yahoo.com       if you need counselling and prayer.

I laugh in chinese!!
Are there no folks who worship in RCCG and nontheless lead pitiable and joyless lives?

verycute:
KunleOshob has two working ministries 1) THE MINISTRY OF POINTING OUT OBVIOUS ERRORS 2) JUDAS MINISTRY.

Like Judas in the Alabaster oil case, Kunle talks as if he is in love with the poor people of Nigeria. Check out Kunle's life, you will see what i mean. Someone who can never see God in another man.

Why is it difficult for people to make sense these days?
What is the meaning of this nonsense above?

viaro:
You're too busy chasing your tails. He gave answers, but you had to admit in your own terms that: "to me he gave no answers" - and you have the nerve of a schmuck to ask vacantly about his answers not satisfying [b]you?!?[/b] No, I didn't force anything down your throat, sorry you're feeling so out of wind to dream that up.

Err are you forgetting sumtn' . . . You my dear viaro opined his answers were not "satisfactory to me". . .dishonesty is a sin, right?

I'm sorry that viaro put you into such misery - my apologies. I asked a question, not try to force my own topic upon an existing one. Unless you missed it, I've discussed my answers as early as post #9 in consonance with the topic - and then asked if anyone could proffer any SINGULAR basis as the SOLE outworkings of the modern world. If that was truly depressing for you, I apologise.

Yeah I guess it was. . .

The Bible does not call anyone it sees fit fools - that's why the outline to show you that such an idea misses the point. If you qualify as one among those, that may be your own problem in just the same way as viaro might so qualify. However, it's truly hilarious that you arrogated yourself the privilege of calling Christians 'deluded' and yet whinge that as a common man you aren't afforded "that privilege". [/b]That was truly a winning act - kudos (I just forgot to laugh though).

Yea, and I was thoroughly basking in the euphoria of my wonderful priviledge when you barged in and tried to take that away while presenting the priviledge as the sole purview of the bible.
Be warned, what is good for the goose, is perferct for the gander.

Repeat: "[b]My religion does not consider you a fool. . unless you actually try to convince me so". Err, I can't deny the part you failed to highlight - it's called a 'conditional'.

Yes it does!

Is Psalm 14:1 missing from your bible?

Repeat: "Did I opine that huxley denied me anything?"
Now if you argue that I did opine, could you do me the fav of quoting me where I made any such pointers to his having DENIED me what-and-what? Thank you in advance.

I highlighted it in post #13.

Not my biz, just that you're trying too hard to make an impression - vacantly.

Could this be why you're here?

Feel better now? 

Excellent.

Could I take it that you had serious difficulties grasping comprehension of simple statements during your tutelage? I'm very aware of Forum Rules. Since you're whinging endlessly about viaro's having asked "disconcerting questions" as against the Forum Rules, I requested (not demanded) that you please show me where in the Rules your knee jerk fantasy could be highlighted. There's no need blaring and flashing those wiggy emoti-eyes in amazement  - since my question and remarks were still on the topic of modernity and ONLY YOU found it in your own  sententiousness to call it "disconcerted questions", please kindly point out for me where in the Rules your fantasy could have found anchor.

*sigh*
The thread borders on the bible and outworkings of modernity. Questions like "how have you tried to help modernity by your overheated reactions" are distracting. . . . The point head of this discussion as regards modernity is THE BIBLE and not "my reaction".

If you wanted details on how I help modernity with my actions, the ideal thing to have done is start a new thread to address such.

Cmon, admit it and we're cool. You asked a distracting question. . . . It won't kill ya. Nobody holy pass.

You're dead right! Absolutely correct - it exists in all the other fora where I've been and not only on Nairaland. The thing is that many people will blindly tick/check the box just to have access past that point - but once on the Forum, fistful dramas begin to play out in their zeal. Tudór, you may set me straight about having gone "purely against the rules" - but need anyone remind you in bold that your insulting other discussants is a gross violation of this Forum Rules especially on "NO PERSONAL ATTACKS OR PUBLIC FIGHTS"?
I'm not making excuses on my own part, which is why I request you to show me the "disconcerting questions" part of the rules regardless of the fact that I stayed on topic about the out workings of the modern world, discussed my answers about the part the Bible plays(post #9). .  before I fell foul of having troubled[b]you alone[/b]with those "disconcerted questions".The one thing is that I may have failed that aspect of your super-sized rules, but you're amazingly larger than size when it comes to your own admitting that you have VIOLATED the Forum Rules yourself.

I have never denied being a rule breaker or did I?

Just that you who's standing the moral high ground are equally guilty yourself. You aren't supposed to ask derailing questions and you did. Infact what we're doing now is derailing the thread.


I'm a sinner and everybody knows that. . .its nothing new. I suggest you confess your own sins.

M-a-n,thanks - and no thanks.If we (you and I) stood side-by-side,I'm sorry that I may not even come close to your sanctimonious tartuffery in less than 24 hrs of our interraction.No contest, I submit the grand trophy to you.

No kidding . . .a grand attempt to condemn me to your dungeon. . .you're doing fine on your own!

viaro:
You're too busy chasing your tails. He gave answers, but you had to admit in your own terms that: "to me he gave no answers" - and you have the nerve of a schmuck to ask vacantly about his answers not satisfying [b]you?!?[/b] No, I didn't force anything down your throat, sorry you're feeling so out of wind to dream that up.

Err are you forgetting sumtn' . . . You my dear viaro opined his answers were not "satisfactory to me". . .dishonesty is a sin, right?

I'm sorry that viaro put you into such misery - my apologies. I asked a question, not try to force my own topic upon an existing one. Unless you missed it, I've discussed my answers as early as post #9 in consonance with the topic - and then asked if anyone could proffer any SINGULAR basis as the SOLE outworkings of the modern world. If that was truly depressing for you, I apologise.

Yeah I guess it was. . .

The Bible does not call anyone it sees fit fools - that's why the outline to show you that such an idea misses the point. If you qualify as one among those, that may be your own problem in just the same way as viaro might so qualify. However, it's truly hilarious that you arrogated yourself the privilege of calling Christians 'deluded' and yet whinge that as a common man you aren't afforded "that privilege". [/b]That was truly a winning act - kudos (I just forgot to laugh though).

Yea, and I was thoroughly basking in the euphoria of my wonderful priviledge when you barged in and tried to take that away while presenting the priviledge as the sole purview of the bible.
Be warned, what is good for the goose, is perferct for the gander.

Repeat: "[b]My religion does not consider you a fool. . unless you actually try to convince me so". Err, I can't deny the part you failed to highlight - it's called a 'conditional'.

Yes it does!

Is Psalm 14:1 missing from your bible?

Repeat: "Did I opine that huxley denied me anything?"
Now if you argue that I did opine, could you do me the fav of quoting me where I made any such pointers to his having DENIED me what-and-what? Thank you in advance.

I highlighted it in post #13.

Not my biz, just that you're trying too hard to make an impression - vacantly.

Could this be why you're here?

Feel better now? 

Excellent.

Could I take it that you had serious difficulties grasping comprehension of simple statements during your tutelage? I'm very aware of Forum Rules. Since you're whinging endlessly about viaro's having asked "disconcerting questions" as against the Forum Rules, I requested (not demanded) that you please show me where in the Rules your knee jerk fantasy could be highlighted. There's no need blaring and flashing those wiggy emoti-eyes in amazement  - since my question and remarks were still on the topic of modernity and ONLY YOU found it in your own  sententiousness to call it "disconcerted questions", please kindly point out for me where in the Rules your fantasy could have found anchor.

*sigh*
The thread borders on the bible and outworkings of modernity. Questions like "how have you tried to help modernity by your overheated reactions" are distracting. . . . The point head of this discussion as regards modernity is THE BIBLE and not "my reaction".

If you wanted details on how I help modernity with my actions, the ideal thing to have done is start a new thread to address such.

Cmon, admit it and we're cool. You asked a distracting question. . . . It won't kill ya. Nobody holy pass.

You're dead right! Absolutely correct - it exists in all the other fora where I've been and not only on Nairaland. The thing is that many people will blindly tick/check the box just to have access past that point - but once on the Forum, fistful dramas begin to play out in their zeal. Tudór, you may set me straight about having gone "purely against the rules" - but need anyone remind you in bold that your insulting other discussants is a gross violation of this Forum Rules especially on "NO PERSONAL ATTACKS OR PUBLIC FIGHTS"?
I'm not making excuses on my own part, which is why I request you to show me the "disconcerting questions" part of the rules regardless of the fact that I stayed on topic about the out workings of the modern world, discussed my answers about the part the Bible plays(post #9). .  before I fell foul of having troubled[b]you alone[/b]with those "disconcerted questions".The one thing is that I may have failed that aspect of your super-sized rules, but you're amazingly larger than size when it comes to your own admitting that you have VIOLATED the Forum Rules yourself.

I have never denied being a rule breaker or did I?

Just that you who's standing the moral high ground are equally guilty yourself. You aren't supposed to ask derailing questions and you did. Infact what we're doing now is derailing the thread.


I'm a sinner and everybody knows that. . .its nothing new. I suggest you confess your own sins.

M-a-n,thanks - and no thanks.If we (you and I) stood side-by-side,I'm sorry that I may not even come close to your sanctimonious tartuffery in less than 24 hrs of our interraction.No contest, I submit the grand trophy to you.

No kidding . . .a grand attempt to condemn me to your dungeon. . .you're doing fine on your own!

^^
Are you stylishly trying to advertise a car?

viaro:
I'm not here to trade gutters with you - if that were the case, you're simply a smallfry.

My observations have nothing to do with whether or not I'm a Christian - pete's sake or not, what you ought to have focused on is discussing issues, not hyperventilating. The answers he gave were not quoted by me as the "best answers"; rather, I only opined that his answers may not have satisfied you. Consequently, I noted that the same things could be said about you or worse since you either chose to zip up and say nothing or else discovered in hindsight that you were just too challenged to score your zeros.I didn't say anything was wrong with your personal opinion - and that was why I helped you to see that it was rather uninitelligent since someone could use the same rule of thumb and slice you seven ways as they choose.

Err and what gives you the divine right to opine as to whether am satisfied or not? I clearly stated to me he gave no answers but then you clearly feel you can force your opinions down my throat and make decisions for everyone. . .shows the kind of personality you are. What next?. . . .opine that I accept jesus?

Anyone who sees fit to tear into me for not providing answers is wholelly free to do so. You don't see me complaining do you?. . . .whats it to you anyway?

My dear, it is not only the Bible that notes atheists as fools; in the course of my visiting Nairaland I remember another self-acclaimed atheist (buda atum) has taken a well-deserved swipe on folks like you. However, this thread is not about who's a fool or not - it was rather about what was the SOLE basis of the outworkings of the modern world. Did you miss that? That would be sad indeed.

Emm, sorry, the thread has gone past the "what" basis it rather asks ."If the Bible were to be the SOLE basis of the outworkings of the modern world". Did you miss that or this is just another instance of thee forcing your OWN topic on the thread. . . Either way, its quite depressing.

However, it is not only atheists that are directly addressed as fools in the Bible - others have been described with similar qualifiers. For example,

** slanderers and liars are also fools - Proverbs 10:18

** mischievous fellows are also fools - Proverbs 10:23

** those who despise their fathers are also fools - Proverbs 15:5

** those who have no inclination to understanding are also fools - Proverbs 18:2

** contentious people are also fools - Proverbs 18:6
      (you would have to wonder that people who are too quickly contentious
      begin to wonder why their arguments are foolish)

** he that is perverse in his lips is also a fool - Proverbs 19:1

** those who must meddle and never cease from strife are fools - Proverbs 20:3

** He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool - Proverbs 28:26

The cap on all these is that fools are not painted by the religion they claim but by their outlooks and attitudes in relating with other people. Yes, whether one "claims" to be an atheist or a theist makes no difference if they qualify their lifestyles by any of the qualifiers above - and more that have not been mentioned.

Everytime people quip that 'your book calls atheists fools', I wait until they qualify themselves by all the other qualifiers to prove the point - because a fool is not simply a non-religious person but includes religious folks who cannot be reasonable in their attitudes. This is why I noted that my premise here on Nairaland is not to trade gutters with you or anyone else; and if the cap fits, you're welcome to be my entertaining guest.

Who cares if the bible calls elephants fools, my main concern is what it labels "those who deny the existence of god"

Anyway all that grammer you typed above shows the bible can call anyone it sees fit fool but common men like me aren't afforded that privilege. . .what a laugh!

My religion does not consider you a fool. . unless you actually try to convince me so, regardless my religion or anyone else's. That atheism should justify why you see Christians as deluded says a lot about how rational a person you have tried to demonstrate. But there again, not all atheists act the way you do.

Yes it does any attempt to deny this pure dishonesty.

Did I opine that huxley denied me anything? Or have you missed where I have carefully stated my concerns? Are you actually reasoning things through?

Yes you did.

And what credit has that done for you?

And what business of yours is that?

Thank you. Go find yours.

You're welcome.

And who has stated that "rule" - or was that a knee jerk you quickly fantacised in hindsight?
What rules? You're simply boring.

This is embarrassing. You in all self-righteousness registered ostensibly to champion law and order have got no knowledge of forum rules?

Correct me if am wrong but on the registration page there's a little box you tick indicating your willingness to abide by forum rules with a link below to the said rules, it not?

Dude, christians on this forum are known for their hallmark hypocrisy and double standards. . . I must say after knowing you for a few posts, you're off to a flying start!

Hey, aint it better than you who claims to have read yours in a book? . . . . I won't be suprised if that book is on of oyedepo's.

viaro:
I don't think you're correct to say that he (ie, Tonye-t) answered no questions. He offered some answers, even though you may not have been satisfied with them. That said, your reaction was unjustified, for his answers (or answers from anyone else) were not sufficient for you to directly slice him personally as 'brainwashed', 'dogmatic' or 'ridiculous'. Someone else may also sling mud and call you worse than those for the same reasons as that you DID NOT answer any questions yourself!

Firstly I repeat, he answered NO questions! To you he's given the best answers and why not, you're christian for petes sake. But to the rest of us absolute hogwash it is.


Secondly what is wrong with my view if I consider christians to be "dogmatic" or "brainwashed"? Aint it my personal opinion of which am legally allowed to express?

Your bible (core of your faith) calls atheists FOOLS, so did jesus to the pharisees, yet we don't see you harping on about how immoral the bible is. Your religion considers me a fool what stops me from equally regarding christians as deluded based on what I think or do I have to write it in some book and back date it 2000 years in order to make it permissible?. . . . This people and their hypocrisy sef!

I'll be patient - and grateful when he does.

Yea, you do that.

I recognize that from the replies of others - and I already explained that in context I may agree. If the key words are "applicable" and "relevant", the answer is a resounding yes - and I gave some examples for you to see my context. Where I'm not so sure I opined that my answer (note, 'my answer', not everyone's answer) may be a No - and I also gave some examples in context. It all depends on what you view to be EVERY problem associated with 'modernity'. And yet, how is it that atheists would direct questions at others and not provide answers for their own musings?[b] What use is it to you personally that the question should be directed at Christians while at the same time not saying anything of substance to the concerns that those Christians bear out? [/b]I'm just wondering.

By all means state your concerns or has huxley expressly denied you that right?

I already acknowledged my ignorance thereto, which is no bad thing. Asking questions for clarification does not lead to one's grave - it helps put things in context and promote a good discourse. How does that trouble you?

Good for you!

First, I'm not self-righteous. Second, that is a very unintelligent remark. Third, whose rules have I gone against in asking questions for clarification and then acknowledging that I did not know who and who were making some statements? Your desperation is truly miserable, for false assumptions and misreading people say nothing to your credit.

Now, when you're done mislabelling people with your vacuous reactions, can we see some sensible posts from you? If not, my respects.

You are indeed self-righteous.

Err, asking disconcerting questions like "how have you tried to help out modernity by your overheated reaction" is purely against the rules of derailment.

If you're hell bent on maintaining this self-righteous charade I suggest you get aquainted with the rules.