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@tetleyauto:
690k and i'll give you a call immediately. Deal?

Hi. I'm interested. Please paste the VIN number and the car's location

@SayoMarvel:
why not contribute to notepad+. We need more coders like you to improve our tools not create tools that exist only on your own hardware.

@enzo
the truth is that if you want to be a regular good programmer,you might not learn those. If what you mean by good is excellent, then you need to learn programming languages, computer architecture, algorithms, networking, assembly and stuff like that. But of course, you know that excellence cannot be achieved overnight so you'll have to go one step at a time. First pick one programming language and use it to learn about programming language concepts. Pls note that there is a difference between programming language concepts and a programming language itself. Those who learn the concepts can switch over to a new language almost immediately but if you learn just the language itself, it'll be harder.
Great universities abroad especially MIT use Scheme (a dialect of LISP) to teach about programming. You can download Their book: Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programming from www.4shared.com and i can assure you that you will see programming from a different light. After learning this, you can now go into others like python, java, php, perl, C, C++,e.tc. and you won't find it difficult to because you have learnt the concepts from the start not just the language. You will need to learn algorithms to write better, faster and more efficient codes. Learning computer architecture, networking, etc will increase your competency because if you know how those things work, you can create more kind of applications.

Just start small like everyone else, don't rush yourself. And don't forget, practice is invaluable in your quest. Join the opensource community and make contributions to some of the projects. it adds to your reputation

no you don't

Thanks

if you want to self-learn, go to www.4shared.com and download some free books.

since you are a computer science student, i would recommend Scheme. Scheme is a dialect of Lisp. It is used in a lot of universities to teach concepts of computer science and programming since its difficult to do so which most other modern languages. Lisp is mainly used in Artifficial Inteligence and can be used in dynamic web design, games, simulators and CAD software, image editors like GIMP and shells (like emac shell). After learning Scheme, since you have learnt the concepts of programming and programming languages, not just their syntax, it would be easier for you to learn other languages and would in general make you a better programmer.

To learn scheme, you will need this book: Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programming written by the creators of Scheme and MIT/GNU Scheme.
Optionally, you can download: How To Do Programming also by MIT press but you'll need DrRacket.
You can download the books for free on www.4shared.com

my advice (you don't have to take it seriously), if you need a degree in computer science or information technology, go to a university, not Aptech. Use the money to do another course like Oracle either from the same Aptech or anywhere else. However, If you just need a fancy certificate and you have money to throw, then you can go ahead and do the ACCP which CANNOT get you a degree in Computer Science and is valid for just about 5 unis or so. Mind you I'm talking from experience.

guys, if you ask me, i'll say we 'remix' a popular game. that would be easier to show off and will be more fun. what ye think,

@gameaddict:
nice story line (if its 3d). wot do y'all think

@Bigstar
thats a very valid point but i guess we'll just have to wait and see and hope for the best. It all boils down to the team members and their individual motivation. Even though it seems like the norm for such projects to be abandoned, you just have to give the benefit of doubt and you yourself must be willing to follow to the end even though it means you have to finish the job alone at the end of the day. In our environment, thats the kind of mindset we need.

@DonSegmond
Hi.i hope ur still available. I've got this question-in some algorithms, can using a primitive operator that calculates the square of an arguement and calculating the square explicitly by multiplication result in different algorithm growth?

em, have you guys ever heard of a hackathlon?

I just stumbled upon the website of Anabel mobile, the first African branded phone and I was just disgusted. To say the least, I am just dissappointed. The website was poor, made me want to puke. Then going through their products there wasnt even any attempt to make anyone want to buy their phones.
They chose Windows for their OS, a very stupid idea if you ask me because that means there is no way for developers to spice up their product with interesting apps, its just a complete flop and should not be linked to Nigeria

Name: Tunde
Email:tundeakinyanmi@yahoo.com
Phone:<please email me instead and i'll provide it privately>
Skills:LISP-Scheme (Basic)
Ideas

nice guys, just don't let the steam die down. me i'm a lisp guy presently,

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for me, if you just want to have a fancy certificate and you have lot of money to throw away, you can go to Aptech. Like I said before, i've not been to NIIT but i can bet that there won't be any difference. And also like i said, your ADSE will not qualify you to study computer science, or MIS, or IT in any of their affiliated universities. While i was at aptech, we 'learnt' C programming, we learnt java and throughout, i never heard the word 'algorithm' apart from the basic definition. Have you ever heard of any serious programmer that doesn't study algorithms? Most of the time, our lecturers (faculty) were just as confused as the students were. I used to do self study so all the crap we were being taught was always glaring and annoying to me. Imagine our faculty telling us that in java, annotations are a kind of class.
All said, it doesn't mean that the course is not lucrative (i don't know if it is). If it is now, it won't be for long without drastic changes in the quality of their staff and syllabus. The truth is, the only way to make yourself valuable in the IT market is by knowing what you are doing well and then having certification in it.

If your reason for going to aptech is because you are considering the best path for starting your university education, i will advise you to get enrolled in a 4 year university program. They will only teach you theory but it will be up to you to get practical experience by going to the internet and having a laptop so that you can learn all the stuff that will make u relevant.
If you are just looking for another certificate to improve your chances of getting a job, just go and get certification in whatever you know is lucrative.
If you are just considering aptech because you have not been able to get into uni, then maybe you go could for the aptech option.But just know that you will need a lot of self study. You will need to teach yourself things that are basic to computer science that aptech will not teach you like the different kinds of algorithms. Also know that if you really want to study computer science, you will not get it. No good uni will accept you. The aptech affiliates will prolly tell you that if you want computer science you'll have to start from year 1 though your workload will be less.

if you need to do self-study, go to www.ocw.mit.edu
You'll get materials including videos that they use in MIT.

well, because you have a shop and sell stuff doesn't mean you are not a criminal especially when 'wetin dey the inside no be wetin dey the packet'. I'm not saying they are criminals though,

@kunleSAP
i have never used a 64bit system before so i can't truly estimate what your system's performance would be like since a 64bit processor is different from 32bit. however i cannot advise anybody to tamper with his processor. If your system is already fast then you shouldn't have any problems.
as per what i recommended,the consultants in the forum like markos, sappiel et all would also have to comment.
and contrary to what i posted earlier, i meant to type "a 500GB HDD will not cost you more than 35k"

i was an aptech student myself. I left the place around the middle of my DISM (which is the second module you will be taking) because it occured to me that the program was just too low quality. I wanted to learn how to be a real programmer so i was disappointed with what i was getting.
You will be taught by students who just finished uni and are waiting for Youth service.there are very few good trainers there and most of them will just be reciting what is in your textbook to you in classes. Meanwhile their textbooks are very scanty things. They don't need you to come to class as long as you pay your fees. Their systems are unpresentable old cloned desktops which hardly work and when they do, prolly don't have the software you need to practice on and are full of viruses.there is no library, at least i never heard or saw their library throughout the period i was their student. they just try to teach you the popular programming languages by just scratching the surface and they don't teach you the other things that you will need as a computer scientist like maths. Mind you, your ADSE will not qualify you to read computer science. the closest you'll get is Computing.
But i also heard that companies really like the course even though i believe thats a fable. If you want to be a real programmer, don't go near aptech. I dont know about NIIT but i'm sure they are both the same.

@kunleSAP
buy a 500GB HDD and install 2 OS on it. One for SAP and the other for your normal day to day computing. Install anti-virus and make sure you are connected to the internet so that you don't get virus that can meddle with your Hard disk performance. Make sure your system has at least 3.0MHz processor speed and your system has at least 2GB of RAM. note that more than 3GB RAM cannot be used efficiently on a 32bit system. This is what i would do if i were you cos i dont like the idea of having my everyday stuff on an external disk since it is more liable to damage.

disclaimer:this is not professional advice so still check it out with the experienced or professionals. make sure whoever is installing your HDD is a professional or someone who is very experienced. also, an internal 500GB HDD should cost you more than 35k.

ok.
i'll still be coming here to get help from you from time to time. The exponentiation problem i was doing was finally solved at around 2.30am today. I had gotten it somewhat right initially but i discarded it because it was running for ever. it turned out that i didnt debug the code well and did the dumb move of trying out another algorithm instead of persisting till i found out the real problem. I learnt a lesson from that though:
"don't abandon the code until you understand why you must abandon it".
I found that the solution to the problem was to put my base case as the first expression in my cond expression or make sure that the other expressions in my cond do not evaluate if they also satisfy the base case condition i.e (and (not <base case expression>  <other predicate>. I was so dissappointed with myself when i found out such a tiny mistake took me days to find. but i guess thats where the fun comes from, that eureka moment.

Drop downs that come down abruptly are done with CSS. If you want the one that slides down, you'll need javascript. The CSS option reduces loading time but the javascript is cooler.

thats cool.i'm curious, do u program for a living? if you do, do you program full time?if you don't program for a living, do you program for fun or to advance hacker culture i.e improve somethings (maybe go on to be a wealthy software giant kinda thing).
I'm asking cos i'm actually an accountant. i read economics by mistake so now i do programming part time with the intent of going full time hacking especially to take opportunity of the many under-utilised internet opportunities in Nigeria,maybe even africa.
also,does knowing how to write efficient algorithms (instead of brute-force-just-get-the-solution methods that my brain always seems to produce) come with experience or just smartness or both cos 18 lines to do 300 lines job is something that has gotten me very jealous. i've been battling with writing lisp code to do exponentiation and the condition is that it should be a logarithmic iteration.today is my second day

@kunleSAP:
i hope you have come across these two links while searching about SAP:
http://www.jonerp.com/content/view/178/62/
http://www.get-erp-training.com/298/2-tips-for-choosing-a-sap-module-to-make-sure-you-succeed/
Best of luck to you.

nice.
I'm learning Scheme first while learning how to program. After I finish the SICP book, i'll probably move over to Common Lisp. I have to admit, im enjoying this scheme ride. But i'm still gonna learn python and perl.
Will LISP be very good for building an online payment gateway?I think it should since it sort of falls into AI domain (at least the fraud detection part does)

@DonSegmond
It worked on MIT Scheme like a charm which means i have to research more about this DrScheme. DrScheme is more user friendly, MIT Scheme (Edwin) is very "linuxish" and actually looks like a real hacker's tool (i don't mean cracker o). Thanks for the help.

Are you now strictly into common LISP?

actually in DrScheme (now DrRacket- they have changed the name from Scheme to racket), you can use square brackets for cond expressions (i read that in 'How To Do Programming which is PLT-makers of DrScheme's official book plus i have used it in other codes and it worked.

i made the corrections but it still doesnt work. It seems DrScheme just doesn't allow more than one expression in any procedure definition(that's what the error message seems to be saying). I have downloaded DrRacket and i'm going to download MIT's MITScheme then run both codes like you advised. I'll let you know when i do the comparisons.

meanwhile it seems i really have to understand this LISP and its dialects.

@kunleSAP
if you went through the thread you should have seen the advice that it is best to choose a module based on your professional competency. ABAP might not be suitable for you since you don't have an IT (programming background). Since you have gone through the whole thread, you should just choose the ones that relate to your competencies. You have a degree in Business Admin so just choose a module that relates to what you like e.g if you like HR, go for the HR module. You can google SAP modules to learn more.

If you are doing this simply because you could be getting bigly paid, its not as easy as that judging from other people's experiences on this thread. I'm not a SAP professional.