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AnodaIT:
You are wrong, the kind of hijab that is being used by students in Osun covers the uniform and part of the face which is unacceptable.

The hijab wore by the Muslim girl in your pix with Obama is most appropriate

Really? I would like evidence of this(pix of Muslim students of this school in niqaab).
Even if that's true, why should your CAN be involved in this. It's not even a defendant in the case. Besides your CAN are not complaining that Muslims are allowed to wear the hijab that covers the face and the entire school unform, but that they are allowed to wear hijab at all.

K9blunt:
If the school law states that yes you can wear hijab, which am sure that school Obama is in has a law on uniforms, then you're OK in wearing hijab.

Okay

But where a school doesn't have such laws and you want to bring your lifestyle into the school, you're violating that law to suit yourself (in this case your religion)

Unfortunately that isn't the case here. the court has given them the go ahead. Are they still violating the law?

If you want to argue this further, please note that there are other religions that forbids a woman cutting her hair, while I'm Nigeria most schools laws states that their girls cut their hair, it's a law and should be respected.

These other religions are welcome to approach the court and ask for their right of leaving the hair be granted. Why are you blaming Muslims for demanding a fundamental aspect of their right?

If you want to respect and uphold your religious stand. Then why don't you move for such students to go to religious (in this case Muslim) schools, where they can be taught what normal schools teach right there?

The school we are talking about here is a public school. The point is you don't have to be in an Islamic school before you wear the hijab. And by the way who's talking about what they are been taught here?

simple issue that can be solved, you can't preach tolerance when you don't support tolerance dear.

In Christianity as they have made us believe, you don't need to be tolerant for them to tolerate you, you don't need to be a friend before they love you. Christians love their enemies and pray for those that persecute them. They turn the other chick for a resounding hot slap. ...... . If all these are true about Christianity, then they should stop the hypocrisy

Vedaxcool
They avoid truth like a plague and rush to falsehood like their life depends on it

Annunaki:
@demmzy15 I had to come and reply you here cause the thread you made the daft statement above has been moved to that wasteland called islamic section and I would rather die than have the sahada appear on my profile. That said to answer your question, I will not smile cause you would be lying against my mother but if it was true I would be deeply ashamed. In the case of mohammed, authentic islamic sources confirm he was a notorious criminal so you should not only be upset but you should be ashamed of your 'prophet', islam and yourself for accepting a notorious criminal as a prophet.

What a strategy! !!

Please give me the link of the thread he is talking about

Rapture4real:
They were not real Christians in the first instance.no one having tasted honey goes for bitterness.

This is what you guys always say. A nairalander posted a topic about the assistant pastor of his former church who converted to Muslim. Many more of your priests are accepting Islam. Perhaps they were fake Christians too. My dear, you better wake up and smell the coffee.

they might do it for financial gain and it can be Islamic propaganda

If this is true, why are Christians always the ones converting because of some financial gain?

BetaThings:
Christians don't seem to have any religious practice
They only act to stop Muslims from practising their religion

Just consider the way they think
Has anybody stopped them from wearing their religious attire

[size=15pt]Let them show us the religious garments they wear in private Christian schools[/size]

Anyway it appears that hijab causes indigestion, not for the wearer, but for the intolerant christians

Meanwhile, I encourage every Muslim parent in Osun to ensure their daughters wear Hijab to school
I know that the Christians will get tired of it within 3 months

Permission to share this post in another thread relating to this topic

leksy07:
Lol!

I respect other people's view on their religious convictions. And I do not mean to ridicule anybody.

But I get flabbergasted seeing some students in Osun dressing in Cele and Choir apparels on school uniforms in an uncivil attempt to protest the hijab judgment.

I don't think any sane person should waste his or her time on such transient distractions.

Let them dress like that on school uniforms to British and US embassies for Visa and interviews. Lol!

Also, those in Cele apparel on school uniforms can attend students fellowship in Redeem, Mountain of Fire or Four Square and see how they would be greatly honoured and welcomed.

Then, those on the choir apparel on school uniforms can attend students fellowship in C&S and Cele churches.

After all , Cele and Choir clothes are recognized among"global students' apparels" like the hijab. Lol!

And when they get home, they should also wear the cele and choir apparels on their domestic clothes just like the Muslims wear their hijabs on every other apparel.
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Well said. Couldn't have said it better.

Rexyl:
our leaders political and spiritual should stop acting as the agents of destabilization and their followers should get sense and stop being foolish followers. Christians are not against Islamic uniform or identity

Actually they are. Haven't you been reading the posts in the thread?

if done in the right manner.

What's the right manner? Who/what determines the right manner for the Muslims? Christians?

Have you seen Christians reacting against Islamic heritage in muslin schools? But why should they transgress and break up Christian heritage in Christian schools? It is not good to look for trouble and cause chaos.

Since when did public schools become Christian schools?

Religion or no religion - I am surprised to read that Islamic groups are seriously pursuing Arab Interest. How can some Muslims be saying they must pull down western influence and replace it with that of Arabs, even if it must be achieved by inflicting pains and sorrow. And many will say the terrorists have no sympathizers.

Note this - Religion doesn't make ppl holy and acceptable to God, it gives info about God and how to relate with him without hurting anyone.

Not related to the current discussion

This is actually funny considering the fact that the Christians are supposed to be the 'tolerant ones'.
Let's observe Some very notable points:

1.Hijab is compulsory on all MuSlims (matured females)

2. Failure To carry out this act is a direct disobedience of Allah'S commandment

3. Muslims are to wear hijab as long as they are in public places or with non_mahram(people they can marry)

4.it is not done by just because some other religion does something else

Unfortunately Christians as a result of their intolerance have actually started to do things the Bible didn't command them to do. This begs the questions:

1. Is there a dress code for Christians?

2. Will they be punished by their God for not implemementing this dress code assuming there is?

3. Do they wear these their robes and other Christian garments (what ever that means) to farms and other public places. ?

4. Is the supposed Christian dress code only for primary and secondary school students? What of tertiary, workers and others?

Christians are actually doing things contrary to their religion ( or relationship with God as some may call it) just to spite the Muslims. Unfortunately, we do not care.


The question is how long are these kids willing to continue doing what won't affect their salvation in any way?


Please note that I don't care what Christians wear To school as long as its decent but they should do it because it's the right thing to do not because Muslims are doing it. Enough of the Follow follow

Naijacitizen:
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Indeed

QuotaSystem:
I can't believe someone was so dim on this thread to suggest that announcing attacks on pipelines will stop the burst pipes from spilling their toxic content to further pollute the destroyed ND environment.

Continue the celebration of foolishness. Bombs away.

I thought I was the only one that saw that foolish comment. He even insinuated that government should be cleaning up immediately... ...lol.. ..can you imagine.

analice107:
oh God, Muslims...
Satan has a very strong grip on these people.
You actually think that the evil you people perpetrate will go unpunished?

Maybe you didn't get my point, and that probably lead to this reply. ...i mean ifean is selling Christianity the way Pdp sold their candidate in the last presidential election. We all know what happened.
I don't perpetrate any evil. As a matter of fact, you don't know me. Whoever perpetrates evil be it Muslim or not will be punished if he doesn't repent. And you guys should stop this hypocrisy.

chistev12:
It's out!

Congrats.

VomeSchakleton:
Funny how she thinks anyone cares about her opinion. She puts so much time into typing and copying this trash but she still remains irrelevant. Smh

She is spreading the message of Christ.

PROBLEMS CAUSES
Price of commodities. ............forex / petrol
Tomatoes.. ............. tomato Ebola
Dollar scarcity ............... no enough foreign reserve
to defend naira
Power failure. ...............attacking pipes is the hobby of.
some Nigerians



If you are going to attack Buhari, you should know the situation we're in before you do else you would just be another wailer.

banki:
You lied....
There was massive poverty in Nigeria never ever has there ever been a time when everyone could afford 3.square meal
There were series of job possess especially in 2008 2009 in the banking industry and other industries
The federal govt is not owing staff salary instead state governors came to beg for bail out to pay salaries owed during the past admisnistration....

We may not all like buhari but enough of you people making it look like Nigeria was such a good place before, gej borrowed to even pay salaries in times of plenty
Corruption is simply fighting back and gullible people like you are supporting it...

How much was petrol when good luck came to power how much did he leave it?

Tell them Ooooh

decomaniaboss:
So" google " a web browser,own by and individual from another continent have the answers to all the questions about nigerians problems ?? Wowwwwww

You are actually A Bigger ignorant than I expected if you don't know how google works. Each search brings out exact or related articles of the info you searched for and the result arranged in descending number of hits per page.

For example here's my search on why pms is now 145 instead of 87, and here's the result. There are many vituperations and lots of misinformation oozing out of supporters of "the so called hero".
This is why you need to start finding facts yourself and not listen to bear parlour gists.

noony926:
Go and sit down my friend, PMB as President is not working. Period.

Go and bring your hero and install him as the president

coyy:
what's happening in his country

the things he listed are happening in Ghana

tell me something.

If he knew what's happening in his country, he won't blame Buhari for pure water been ten naira. I am not so sure if you don't fall in his category

godoluwa:
you av no point & has zero knowledge about economics. the present administration has no knowledge about good governance & economy.

You do that, please educate your ignorant friend.

kolaaderin:
If u have not been following all that has been happening in this country even before GEJ was booted out, there will be no need of educating u, cos if we do its a wasted effort until u recover from the election lost by the hero fortunato and learn to criticise reasonably. We know ur mind is made and locked completely just to hate buhari.

Well said

noony926:
You that have been reading, pls tell me what is happening in Nigeria, so that I will know.

You are a very lazy individual if you want to be spoon-fed. Go to google and ask why each of those problems is so . That's as far as I can spoon-feed you.

Farmerforlife:
It is not important, Islam started in its final stage with two men, a woman and a boy. A hundred Muslims are 96 too many to propagate the faith across the world.

It is not going to happen though. We are undergoing a gradual filtering out of the weak and doubtful... eventually only the strong and knowledgeable will remain. Islam will be the stronger for it, for its strength lies in quality, not quantity of its adherents.

Jazakallahu khairan. I love this post

Scholar8200:
The ,''obey me and I will love you'' part! Deuteronomy 7:7 refutes that view.

Okay. Let me rephrase. The "obey me and I will continue to love you" is that wrong too?

An agreement wherein each plays his role. This was necessary in God's dealing with them because He never forces His benefits on us. Their keeping to the covenant was an indication that they were still interested in being joined to Him and His purposes for them.

You forgot to add, if either refuses to play his role, the agreement becomes null and void

God loved them because that is His nature.

On what basis then did God love Abraham, or Enoch, or Job, or the ante-deluvian world whom He warned severally before sending the flood? (LOVE delays judgement deserved to the point that it will be injustice to delay it any longer! Meanwhile, LOVE does all possible to make the offender repent!)

Deut. 4:37,

And because he loved thy fathers, therefore he chose their seed after them, and brought thee out in his sight with his mighty power out of Egypt;

It's pointed out here as well as deut 7 that the Lord's treatment of Israel is based on His love for their fathers [Abraham, Isaac, Jacob]. A little later the Lord expresses His love for Israel as a nation,

The promise to Abraham was never made void by the Mosaic covenant. In fact the New Covenant is still based on God's Promise to Abraham!

True

That's still your opinion! Even the Bible uses the known to illustrate the spiritual eg the Parables of Jesus!.

I can't force you to see the difference.

I noticed you ignored the questions I asked in my replies.

Only ignorants play this card of "when gej was in power, pure water was 5 naira but now under Buhari is ten naira". Clearly you don't know what's happening in your country. Stop being a follow follow and for once READ

shiftback:
Salam Aleikum EVERYONE.

Is there anything like moderate Muslims or moderate Islam?

As far as Islam is concerned, there isn't

Can one practice Islam moderately?

What do you mean practising Islam moderately?

What makes one a radical or moderate Muslim?

You tell us, in Islam we don't know what moderate Muslim means

For example;
Those that responds to any insult against Islam or the prophet Muhammad -- peace and blessing upon him -- with great violence and anger; radical muslin and extremists? And are they right for reacting violently as they are following the dictates of the Quran?

Prove that statement From the Quran since you claim they are following the dictates of the Quran

How about those that respond calmly and peacefully on the basis of freedom of expression with a live and let's live attitude, are they moderate Muslims and are they wrong for not picking up arms to defend their religion?

You are either a Muslim or not. There isn't radical or moderate Muslim.

There are so many verses in the Quran that I do not entirely agree with, does that make me NOT A MUSLIM?

That's too bad
.......So do you believe in part (of) the Book and disbelieve in part? Then what (should be the) recompense (for the one) who does that among you, except disgrace in the life (of) the world; and (on the) Day of [the] Resurrection they will be sent back to (the) most severe punishment? And not (is) Allah unaware of what you do.

Quran 2:85
If you want to practise Islam, practise it wholeheartedLy

I understand that Islam is an ideology - a set of ideas and it is not defined by what any Muslim wants it to be, but by what it is. But can Muslims, as individuals, choose how much of their religion they practice?

No you can't.

The Quran instructs that we shouldn't take people of the book(Jews and Christians) for friends. My immediate family and 99 percent of my friends are Christians, what do i do with them

What kind of Muslim are you who doesn't seem knowledge about his deen. Go and look for the tafseer of that verse

Meanwhile you can ask your Christian friends and family what the Bible meant in 2 Corinthians 6:14

Can Muslims chose portions of the Quran to agree with and practice accordingly?

For the second time, No.

"O you who believe! Enter perfectly in Islam (by obeying all the rules and regulations of the Islamic religion) and follow not the footsteps of Shaitan (Satan). Verily! He is to you a plain enemy".

Quran 2:208

;DMeanwhile an assistant pastor has accepted Islam here
https://www.nairaland.com/3149369/please-assistant-pastor-former-church#46319457
Assuming what the op said is true




Keep wailing

Scholar8200:
That's not correct. Was the quote from Deuteronomy of God's love given after the people had obeyed God or before?

Which part is wrong here?

The covenant was a derivative of God's promise to Abraham, no more, no less.

What's definition of covenant?

God did not make a covenant with them hoping that they would obey so that He can love them??!!! That's absurd!

God loved them based on the abarahamic covenant. But God now outlines what would make this convent void hence the conditions

Besides, does a man love his wife because she said 'I do'' or before she said "I do" ?

I am sure by now you must have learnt that using humans love to describe God's love doesn't work out for you. You tried it in the judge son example, it didn't work. You equally tried it in the father son Going Out example and it didn't work too.

Now did God hate all others since He did not make a covenant with them? Job, for example was not an Israelite and he was greatly blessed by God!

The issue of fate if those God didn't make covenant with is a different issue. Let's tackle one problem at a time

Scholar8200:
He loved them before the call to obey meaning they did not fulfill any condition to be loved. Of course if they rebelled He will still love them and call them but He wont force them, they would be forsaking Him and the love HE has for them!

I think this is no longer a debate as I have stated earlier in two of my previous post below . I don't like you dragging us back

udatso:
I don't know how long I am going to keep repeating this to you. I have proved it that there isn't unconditional lovein the Bible. You can chose to accept it or deny it.

There are many more of this

If Allah hates you, would probably be destroyed or never existed Etc but He is giving you the chance to repent so He can forgive you your sins. This love is conditional, if you die without accepting the conditions, you won't get any love but punishment .
In Islam we don't shy in telling you the reality. Despite all the verses in the Bible showing God's love is conditional, you choose to reject it and keep screaming God's love is unconditional. The choice is yours

And

udatso:
This is equally what I told malvisguy too. Am glad we agree on this

God loves everyone at the initial stage(on earth) but there are things that you would do that would affect this love even though it's not His fault . If it was a thing of malice, no non believer would be on the surface of the earth. But instead He gives us the time to repent and come back to Himand obey Him. That's where the condition comes in which is to be satisfied in this world and the result announced in the hereafter. In the after life there would be those who retained His love and those who Lost His love.

In summary: Him allowing us to live our life, giving us time to repent is His Love , His punishing the unrepentant is His wrath and not love .

The difference here is our conclusions. I concluded that if we refuse to do as God commanded we will face His wrath (hate, the effect of no love) hence punishment , no? . You on the other hand still see the the punishment as Love.

The parable of the prodigal son comes up here. The prodigal left the comfort of the father's house and suffered (a consequence). There is a consequence if we make the wrong choices!

Yes. That consequence is God's wrath in the afterlife. And I'd God's wrath for His chosen( those He Loves) ?

Am I wrong? Did not Peter deny Him? Did not Peter and the rest forsake Him to go and fish? Did they drown for not being obedient? Didnt He LOVINGLY attend to their need and even prepared breakfast for them?

I would appreciate it if you don't keep dragging us back. I have already addressed this in the post below

In summary: Him allowing us to live our life without destroying us even after we have offended him, giving us time to repent is His Love. His punishing the unrepentant in the hereafter is His wrath and not love .

So I really don't see why you are rejecting this simple truth.

But let's say after all this they still rejected Him, well there is NO middle ground! Choosing evil is just by rejecting good. And the consequence of our choices are part of the package.

Yes, therefore those who reject God face his Wrath not love. Why can't you accept this?

See, if they do not obey it will mean they forsake His love. If He had said, keep my commands so that I can continue loving you that will have being a different issue.

Except of course that's exactly what happened.
See it here

udatso:
“As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commands and remain in his love” (John 15:9-10).

If we obey His commands, we will remain in His love. By implication, if we do not obey His commands we will not remain in his love. Again we see that God loves those who obey the teachings and commands of the Lord Jesus and they will remain in God’s love as they obey his commands, just as Jesus did.

So why are you trying to deny this point that is so obvious in the Bible?

Now consider:

13 [Now] before the Passover Feast began, Jesus knew (was fully aware) that the time had come for Him to leave this world and return to the Father. And as He had loved those who were His own in the world, He loved them to the last and to the highest degree.

2 So [it was] during supper, Satan having already put the thought of betraying Jesus in the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son,
John 13:1,2

He loved them even when one of them had planned to betray Him and He knew! He loved them even when they were all going to forsake Him at the period of trial and one was even going to curse and swear that he never knew Him, and He knew!!!

I have already addressed this. It's true even before/ as /after we disobey Him, he knows but he doesn't punish us yet giving us time to repent. Eventually when such a person dies and didn't do as asked by God, he receives punishment. Hence wrath

Let's see what the Bible says
“As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. If you obey my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have obeyed my Father’s commands and remain in his love” (John 15:9-10).

If we obey His commands, we will remain in His love. By implication, if we do not obey His commands we will not remain in his love. Again we see that God loves those who obey the teachings and commands of the Lord Jesus and they will remain in God’s love as they obey his commands, just as Jesus did.

So why are you trying to deny this point that is so obvious in the Bible?

Scholar8200:
^^The Bible is God's message neither to angels nor devils but man. Hence, I cannot answer that question.

The reason you can't answer it is because of your current stand of unconditional love of God. Because you know that there are serious implications in either YES OR NO reply

Scholar8200:
Love covenant?Gone? Where did you get these from?

14 Also all the chiefs of the priests and the people trespassed greatly in accord with [size=13pt]all the abominations of the heathen, and they polluted the house of the Lord which He had hallowed in Jerusalem.[/size]
15 And the Lord, the God of their fathers, sent to them persistently by His messengers, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place.
2 Chronicles 36:14,15

It is the Love of God that, in spite of how hopelessly far down they had gone, withheld judgement but rather sent messengers to warn them that they may repent!

I am referring to the mosaic covenant.
It was an obey my Laws amd I will love you kind of convenant. This issue of covenant actually brings out something new.
The word, "covenant," is briyth (ber-eeth), in Hebrew, defined as, "a compact," an agreement between parties.

It carries legal authority whereby both parties are constrained (obligated) by conditions within the covenant. It is always conditional on each of the parties fulfilling his/her part of the covenant/compact.

A covenant is always conditional. No? If it is conditional then God doesn't love unconditionally.