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malvisguy212:
what you said in the op, that's not how bible explain unconditional love. Do you Love your wife ? Unconditional ? If yes, why do you divorce ? Biblical speaking, unconditional love is when christ die for our sin irrespective of our behavior, Good or Bad. Christ die for us while we were YET sinner. The bible say "the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom" if God love is unconditional, WHY FEAR GOD ? Because He judge SIN. He punish Law breakers. Unconditional love does NOT say God should ignore sin, but instead FIND A WAY TO FORGIVE SIN PRIOR TO FINAL JUDGMENT.

Could you please quote the question one after the other and answer them. I wouldn't want us mixing things up. Thanks

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Please call out your other brothers and sisters, your attention is needed here.

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The Webster dictionary defines unconditional as
not limited in any way : complete and absolute

According to Wikipedia Unconditional love is known as affection without any limitations, it can also be love without conditions. This term is sometimes associated with other terms such as true altruism, or complete love.

Based on my confrontations with Christians, I have come to realise that the meanings of some English words might be explained differently or according to the Bible which may not be exactly what it is in English language.

On multiple occasions, many Christians usually ask Muslims to prove that there's love in the Quran, or love for the unbelievers. When the proof is brought forth, we are further requested to bring proof of unconditional love.
In most cases, we have made them understand that even though God loves all (evident in his Mercies, favours, provisions....for all Muslims or non Muslims ), the unbelievers would be punished if they die as unbelievers. This is usually followed by the Christians preaching unconditional love....how God loves the sinner, non Christians and all. These comments bring us to some very disturbing questions

1. What is unconditional love in Christianity ?

2. If there's punishment for non Christians for not accepting Christ as their personal lord and Savior, is it still right to call this love unconditional?

3. If there Isn't punishment for non Christians , why bother preaching the word of God to them if at the end of the day, we all make heaven?

I will stop here for now. Your answers might trigger other questions

It would be much appreciated if these answers are provided with biblical verses

LordofNairaland:
You are a waste of time. Religion presented the perfect excuse for her murder and Buhari addressed it. What were you expecting him to say

What is bad in what he said Please, what should he have said. He called for religious tolerance and you all went sleepless nights over it.

It is not like you love the victim. You just hate the president. When I saw the statement, I immediately understood that it was yet another call for religious tolerance but haters immediately saw a blooper and began to scream their brains out.

Your last paragraph just goes to show that I have been wasting my time since morning. There are fanatics. The accusation was that she blasphemed. Now someone has admonished both Christians and Muslims about tolerance and respect for each other's religions. We don't really know if she truly blasphemed. But we all know they had no rights to have killed her. Now, if you steal in Lagos, there is a high probability that you would be lynched. No one supports the lynching. As a matter of fact, lynching is criminal. But would you accept that you were justifying lynching if you warned a friend about stealing in Lagos?

Me: Don't steal, Kareem, or they will kill you.

You: Who will kill me?

Me: People.

You: What rights would they have to kill me, supposing I steal something in future?

Me: Well, I am just advising you to be careful. That is all I can do.

You: Wow, you sound like you are in support of the lynchings.

Me: How?

You: Instead of condemning the act of lynching, you are asking me to be careful. Your logic is that if victims of lynching had been careful, they wouldn't have been lynched. Why should there be a lynching in the first place You know you are justifying those murderers who lynch people.

Me: I am not justifying lynchings. All I am saying is that as long as you understand that if you steal around here, you would be lynched even before the police arrive, you will be careful.

You: Please, you are annoying me with this careful bullshit. You are justifying lynching. So now, I have to be careful so I don't get lynched?

Me: I give up!!

You have explained this in simplest of terms. If he still says anything besides agreeing to what you have said, I suggest you ignore him

ijesuoboikxp1:
Thanks @ udatso

You welcome sir

Mtcheww

Well, if this is true, I say Welcome to this new brother to Islam. May Allah make him steadfast in the deen.
Empiree roypcain demmyz and brothers I can't imagine how anu.. naki and Co would feel about this

ijesuoboikxp1:
Okk thanks I pray it work.

It works. Check out this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/3148790/im-not-muslim#46329860

. Our defending doesn't make a difference to those who would always want Muslims to be associated with terrorism

chistev12:
There is nothing at all I can do?

I have told you you have nothing to worry about.
I haven't posted in Islam for Muslim for a while now and below is my profile pic before the post, during the post as I was asked the Islamic declaration and after the post as the pledge was now present in my profile pic

lepasharon:
That's not true ooo, it's permanent

I don't have to argue with you. I am a Muslim. After a while it goes off from my profile and when I try to post in Islamic section, I am asked same question. This happens all the time.
Are you a regular poster in the Islam section to know if it's permanent?

spartan2709:
Nicklaus

Lol

Ramadan Mubarak brother
Its been a while
How have u been?

Ramadan Kareem
Yeah. It has. .....am cool boss and you?

chistev12:
So let's say in a week's time it will leave my profile?

Even if I don't mail them?

Yes.

iameugene:
Idiot when u will be poke nosing on what doesn't concern u ur own don done oloshi oloribu elese scatter

You didn't have to insult him.
Chistev12 After some days, it will automatically disappear.
You can mail the mods for solution too

Alhamdulillah...may Allah make her steadfast in the deen

Maamin:
Wow! Am really learning new stuffs.

of course you are.........just not the truth

Ifeann:
Imams never teach love to non muslims infact muslims are forbidden to pray for pagan family members.
Also generally muslims don't pray for non muslims...they think it will offend Mohammed since they think he also hears their prayers and we all know Mohammed spent a lot of time killing non muslims.

My point is that preaching love for non muslims cannot happen in Islam because u are contradictory to Allah. .that is a form of shirk..shirk is blasphemy in Islamic terminology.

I think you are mistaken here. Muslims are allowed to pray for non believers except for their forgiveness or mercy. We can pray for non-believer to get promotion in his job, or get a contract etc.......but we do not pray for God's forgiveness or mercy on his behalf.

Maamin:
But why is this love only expressed from allah to his believers and within themselves in setting theirselves apart for allah alone?

your reply here

so ifeann is proving the Quran to lack the word love to cover everyone, she ran to 'anti islamic' website. thats really smart and scholarly!


Quran 85 verse 14. is enough to show that it covers all 'creation', which is why each gets its sustenance at the 'right time' in the best of measures.

Love is not unconditional in christianity or any religion because there is punishment [like hell fire] or in the case of those who say humans come back, its either as punishment or being rewarded, hence better when reincarnated.

in Islam, God is Loving and Forgiving, Merciful. It is the Mercy that is more of preventing punishment. Loving mankind, believers and non alike is on this earth so that each individual can live a fully fulfilled life, allowing for repentance [turning to Him] away from disbelief to Islam.

Allah loves more than mother loves her child. Allah is closer to all and when any calls on Him, He answers as He is the Only One to answer. He is on the side of the oppressed, without regards to belief.

He punishes the unjust even if he were a believer that wronged a disbeliever. Allah is impartial which is the reason even atheists get their full share of what the 'world' has for man.

to think that the bible says loves everyone and you think it is unconditional, i wonder why you should not be unyoke with us infidels? why hell/fire of lake except that the people Jehovah does not love will enter it. why Judgment Day except that the unloved will be punished from that day onward?

i am shocked at the tricks of these people proselytizing their doctrine forgetting what Yahweh/Jehovah/Jesus will do to those who are not on their side.

Maamin:
I have been studying the quran for years now and I had never came across the word love in it

when i saw this i was wondering what type of person studies the glorious quran for years and has never come across the word LOVE in the Quran?
You remind me of a so called ex muslim mario joseph who claimed was asked by an audience who jesus was and he had to read the whole quran and then discovered certain things. I wonder which quran he has been reading all this while.
If you couldn't find the word LOVE with your eyes after studying it for years, I wonder how we can make you see it.

or was love never mentioned in the quran? Is there any muslim on NL that can help out..will be glad to receive your comments

You been given many verses by my brothers.

ebenice:
OK I won't force you










but I hope Allah won't disappointing you in the end ?

13) Verily those who say, "Our Lord is Allah," and remain firm (on that Path),- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
14) Such shall be Companions of the Gardens, dwelling therein (for aye): a recompense for their (good) deeds.

Suratul ahqaf 46:13-14

truthman2012:
It is only the fools who would not take a serious matter seriously.

It is only the fools who would read the statement of Buhari and would not read any meaning to it.

It is only the fools who would see the truth and would look away from it.

It is because you islamists have no more lies to defend islam that you are speechless and hide under ignoring threads that expose the falsehood of islam. Your inability and the eventual silence is good for my threads. Laughing !!!

I knew you were hurt that we don't engage you in arguments, I just didn't know it was this bad. Take heart bro. You need islamophobin

Rilwayne001:
even fools don't take you serious again

It takes a lunatic to take his vituperations seriously

ebenice:
oh! how I wish u would rather be more concerned on the "Jesus bla bla"

And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah (Himself) is Guidance. And if thou shouldst follow their desires after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, then wouldst thou have from Allah no protecting guardian nor helper.

Quran 2:120

ebenice:
it bothered not bodered ...work on your English skills ....good luck

Thanks for the correction. It wasn't deliberate mistake though.

meanwhile its not to late to accept Christ too ...He's loving and affectionate, the unique thing about the Christian faith is that it makes you relate with God like a friend and Father and also as a King to His subjects ...You are seriously missing ..come get a taste of Gods love thru Jesus while you still can ...He's calling you today ..don't keep him waiting

too and not to
God's love and not Gods love.
work on your English skills ....good luck***you need that advice more than I do****
Meanwhile, I think I will pass on the Jesus bla bla bla

It's funny how no Christian bothered to ask for source. Well, I guess it's easier for them to believe falsehood. Keep lying to yourselves

I lol each time I hear a Christian asking Muslims to research their religion.. ....like seriously?

Slikbae:
Listen to yourself. Child marriages are sanctioned in Islam, particularly by your prophet Mohammed. You cannot refute that. You cannot refute the fact that Mohammed married a 6year old and raped her (statutory rape) when she was 9. You cannot change the fact that Sharia law allows it.
You saw how your Muslim elders reacted in the case of ESE Oruru. They were all in support of it.

But in Christianity, it is a big NO!

Here's the promise of the link
https://www.nairaland.com/2146000/prophets-marriage-young-aisha

Replies to the op have been covered in
https://www.nairaland.com/2290158/why-muhammads-father-named-abd-allah

https://www.nairaland.com/1157196/crescent-moon-symbol-islam

Hahahha. islamophobin very funny

SUPERPACK:
during pre-islamic era the age of consent was judged by the age at which a girl attained puberty (7-14)years. this marital arrangement also took place in USA until it was amended in the 20th century, muhammed could be excused for marrying a young aisha as culture demands then for both muslims- christians, jews and pagans, The blame should be on muslims who have decided to continue a practice which is out-dated, and refuse to follow the current trend.
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Remember that during that period christians where also allowed to take child bride once the parents agrees that the child has reached puberty.
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imagine how christianity will be like if we decide to emulate the life of the early popes.
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I knw that one day this child marriage of a thing will stop.

Am impressed. Honest and sincere Christians like you are hard to find on Nairaland

Slikbae:
Listen to yourself. Child marriages are sanctioned in Islam, particularly by your prophet Mohammed. You cannot refute that.

Child marriages are not allowed in Islam. However your definition of a child matters.

You cannot refute the fact that Mohammed married a 6year old and raped her (statutory rape) when she was 9.

I already said I would give you links that address that as soon as am less busy to dig.

You cannot change the fact that Sharia law allows it.

Proof of this statement or forever remain silent

You saw how your Muslim elders reacted in the case of ESE Oruru. They were all in support of it.

Assuming it was a forced marriage (ese oruru's case) this what the Quran has to say about it

“Ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness…” (Qur’an, 4:19)

What do you mean by our elders? Since when did elders become the mouth piece of Muslims ?
What I do know is that MURIC asked For the abductor to be prosecuted. I will provide the links. Be careful of your accusations.

http://www.tv360nigeria.com/muslim-group-muric-demands-arrest-of-abductor-of-child-bride-ese-oruru/

http://pulse.ng/local/ese-oruru-muslim-group-wants-teenager-s-abductor-prosecuted-id4750405.html

But in Christianity, it is a big NO!

Same in Islam too. If the girl has attained puberty, she can get married and the marriage consummated