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HardMirror:
His son Tomato is angry with Nigeria at the moment, He has made himself scarce and expensive.

joseph1013:
[b]YOU DON'T SEE AIR YET YOU DON'T DOUBT IT...

So I got a PM yesterday and this fellow sought to know how I can be so foolish to not believe in the existence of God. He said to me, "That I can't see air doesn't in any way void its existence.... Trying to understand God before believing his existences will fry your brain....so these guys only retire to their belief as they find it impossible to comprehend God."




I promised to answer him in a comment on this thread and here it is:

You can't "SEE" air, but you can observe it. There are many many tests to observe air. Scientists have observed air so well, they even know it's make-up.

Evidence doesn't mean "SEE". It means "SENSE" by any means replicable: human senses or even with the help of technology.

Now no one alive and healthy today has ever SENSED God in a universally replicable manner.

For there to be a goat in a well, it's not enough for Olamide alone to see/hear it. He should also be able to demonstrate to Chidinma by telling him what steps he took to sense the goat, so that Chindinma can sense it himself and also show Audu.

If you are the only one who can sense the presence of this goat, then it's most likely all in your head (hallucination).

If you believe something so so so much and you managed to convince yourself it's there, guess what, your brain starts to see it in everything. But, my friend, it's still all in your head (delusion).

What religion has managed to do is get a whole lot of people deluded. They start seeing god in everything - they woke up today (must be god). Almost got hit by a car (God saved). Passed exam (God blessed). Didn't pass exam (God testing)... This is mass delusion my brother.

I know this has fallen on deaf ears, but I had to try.[/b]

mrZENographer:
Then you are not a Christian again because of rebellion and pride like Satan the fallen angel or you are blatantly a satanist coiling words to lead astray Christians.
But your folly shall proceed no further. I rebuke you in name of Jesus and may the confusion you seek be upon u alone. In Jesus name.

iamphill:
Follow follow......confused entity

slapandfall:
Glo network mad today oooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Cannot make calls, cannot receive calls... BIS no work. What is this country turning to self.

I was thinking my phone had issues till i learnt it was glo wahala.

Buhari kindly deal.

Back to topic: What is this yellow tree here?

JackBizzle:
Dumb or dangerously ignorant?

How can you say that someone should not go to school because you want your church/pastor to receive tithe money?


This is why we need some secular channel to be reading out "dumb nairaland comments" to shame some of these people on tv or youtube

JackBizzle:
cc kingebukasblog, analice107, malvisguy212,winner01, Reyginus


Can you imagine your christian brothers telling their fellow christian to pay tithe instead of paying his brother's school feels? And you wonder why people leave christianity to become irreligious

https://www.nairaland.com/3096665/should-pay-tithe-pay-brothers

drestoneokuta:
Who is this who makes the purpose of God dark by words without knowledge? If you, yes YOU!!! can give me an answer to any of these questions (choose anyone) then I will acknowledge you and proclaim your belief to all the earth.
Job: 38. 4. Where were you when I put the earth on its base? Say, if you have knowledge. 5. By whom were its measures fixed? Say, if you have wisdom; or by whom was the line stretched out over it? 6. On what were its pillars based, or who put down its angle-stone, 7. When the morning stars made songs together, and all the sons of the gods gave cries of joy? 8. Or where were you when the sea came to birth, pushing out from its secret place; 9. When I made the cloud its robe, and put thick clouds as bands round it, 10. Ordering a fixed limit for it, with locks and doors; 11. And said, So far you may come, and no farther; and here the pride of your waves will be stopped? 12. Have you, from your earliest days, given orders to the morning, or made the dawn conscious of its place; 13. So that it might take a grip of the skirts of the earth, shaking all the evil-doers out of it? 14. It is changed like wet earth under a stamp, and is coloured like a robe; 15. And from the evil-doers their light is kept back, and the arm of pride is broken. 16. Have you come into the springs of the sea, walking in the secret places of the deep? 17. Have the doors of death been open to you, or have the door-keepers of the dark ever seen you? 18. Have you taken note of the wide limits of the earth? SAY, IF YOU HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE OF IT ALL. 19. Which is the way to the resting-place of the light, and where is the store-house of the dark; 20. So that you might take it to its limit, guiding it to its house? 21. No doubt you have knowledge of it, for then you had come to birth, and the number of your days is great. Job: 40. 8. Will you even make my right of no value? will you say that I am wrong in order to make clear that you are right? 9. Have you an arm like God? have you a voice of thunder like his?

Job: 40. 10. Put on the ornaments of your pride; be clothed with glory and power: 11. Let your wrath be overflowing; let your eyes see all the sons of pride, and make them low. 12. Send destruction on all who are lifted up, pulling down the sinners from their places. 13. Let them be covered together in the dust; let their faces be dark in the secret place of the underworld. 14. THEN I WILL GIVE PRAISE TO YOU, SAYING THAT YOUR RIGHT HAND IS ABLE TO GIVE YOU SALVATION .

Demol09:
pls, don't forget to write Lord Gwa Gwa this way again. He is sensitive to case... Else, u might burn in hell till eternity.

cloudgoddess:
Its not about ability to comprehend, but rather willingness.

I did not intend to suggest that a typical theist is dumber than a typical atheist, and I apologize if my message came off that way. But a theist is in fact more likely to have all manner of psychological barriers preventing them from even wanting to understand such ideas, let alone following them through far enough and patiently enough to grasp a decent understanding.

It's why so many theists say things like, "the Big Bang is something coming from nothing!" or "evolution is monkeys turning to humans!" whereas atheists rarely if ever make such claims, even if they are unfamiliar with these topics. It isn't because the theists are stupid or that their brains are innately incapable of processing it. It's because their indoctrination has put them in a position of unnecessary skepticism and even disdain towards these scientific ideas, so their only "understanding" consists of incorrect and shallow caricatures, fed to them by fellow theists who are also determined to view the ideas as incredulous and worthy of ridicule in order to support their beliefs. This is a perfect formula for at least an initial misunderstanding, or the "flying over ones head", once they are exposed to the real explanations behind these things.

I fully believe that any human being with a healthy brain can understand these concepts. It's why I try to educate people here on NL as much as I can. But the false misconceptions, negative biases, fears many theists heads are filled with involving these topics can be a real barrier to that understanding.

HardMirror:
I swear you are a jobless somburry I almost pissed on myself laughing.

All praise to Lord Gwagwa and Tomato his only son which is still with us manifesting in omniscient ways in soups, pizzas, jollof rice and all good food that has made life a delight.

HardMirror:
The thread has turned to comedy central and guess what?





















































































I am loving it

HardMirror:
This has been thoroughly trashed on part2 of my thread page 10 I guess. Don't you guys have thought provoking analogies? This analogy is too easy to dismiss. Geez!

femicyrus:
the same dust (soil) used to create a goat was used to create you.
He could have created you a rabbit in the wild. maybe you will appreciate God each time you survive a hunt by hyenas

iamphill:
@hardmirror


Read this and reflect on it.....Have a great day bro.........

In a mother’s womb were two babies. One asked the other: “Do you believe in life after delivery?” The other replied, “Why, of course. There has to be something after delivery. Maybe we are here to prepare ourselves for what we will be later.”
“Nonsense” said the first. “There is no life after delivery. What kind of life would that be?”
The second said, “I don’t know, but there will be more light than here. Maybe we will walk with our legs and eat from our mouths. Maybe we will have other senses that we can’t understand now.”
The first replied, “That is absurd. Walking is impossible. And eating with our mouths? Ridiculous! The umbilical cord supplies nutrition and everything we need. But the umbilical cord is so short. Life after delivery is to be logically excluded.”
The second insisted, “Well I think there is something and maybe it’s different than it is here. Maybe we won’t need this physical cord anymore.”
The first replied, “Nonsense. And moreover if there is life, then why has no one has ever come back from there? Delivery is the end of life, and in the after-delivery there is nothing but darkness and silence and oblivion. It takes us nowhere.”
“Well, I don’t know,” said the second, “but certainly we will meet Mother and she will take care of us.”
The first replied “Mother? You actually believe in Mother? That’s laughable. If Mother exists then where is She now?”
The second said, “She is all around us. We are surrounded by her. We are of Her. It is in Her that we live. Without Her this world would not and could not exist.”
Said the first: “Well I don’t see Her, so it is only logical that She doesn’t exist.”
To which the second replied, “Sometimes, when you’re in silence and you focus and you really listen, you can perceive Her presence, and you can hear Her loving voice, calling down from above.

God does exist because you cant see him doesnt mean he doesnt exist. I know you are smart and you will try and poke holes in this write-up, note am not contesting your belief with you, am just suggesting you reflect deeply on this. Cheers Bro

udatso:
I lol at some of them. A brother has already told you that just because someone said that doesn't mean that's how it is.
Some of these points In the perspective Of an atheist, one can't help but laugh cos it Just wouldn't make sense. Which brings me to the question, if religion doesn't make sense to an atheist, how can the details ever be sensible to him.

Anjelus:
I actually joined this discussion with the erroneous belief that I would be facing a set of intelligent and objective people but I can now see vividly that your objective here is to impose your failed and distorted idea on equally feeble minded people and this can be confirmed through the use of vulgar words to discourage those who are wiser than you from expressing their opinions. I quite understand what you are doing and i know where its coming from, but let me shock you, your evil intent we never succeed because of people like us who have real and long lasting relationship with God, we will frustrate your plans through every means possible, no wonder you couldnt hold on to God when you had the opportunity because you were never eal and true to God, all u care about is miracles at the detriment of relationship. So stop deceiving us with your caricature evangelism, we know your type....... HOWEVER, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, JESUS IS LORD!!! you cant do anything about it......

tartar9:
was only advising a jobless human.

iamphill:
Am sure thats your thought about me son. You said it all need i say more....hope i didnt touch a nerve? dont take this personal douchebag ?

iamphill:
Is that the best you got? Mirror effect abi? you can do better than this my son.......LOl
I must confess i find this amusing

iamphill:
Just listen to mysellf son clap for my Educated Illiteracy. Trying to exhibit more of my Ignorance. Dude kindly shut that Hole in my face, No allow God take up my case son. And besides the post wasnt meant for me. I am not intelligent enough to process it and respond intelligently.

Too bad an uneducated dolt trying to claim knowledge, claiming i know what i dont know which is glaring and even hiding under verbose retorts to sound intelligent .......lol....dude SMH.... Bro i am d real definition of comedy....lol...........

iamphill:
Relax and read my post again you missed the salient point potrayed. Dont be in a rush to showcase your ignorance on issues you know nothing about.

iamphill:
Read this and reflect on it.....Have a great day bro.........

In a mother’s womb were two babies. One asked the other: “Do you believe in life after delivery?” The other replied, “Why, of course. There has to be something after delivery. Maybe we are here to prepare ourselves for what we will be later.”
“Nonsense” said the first. “There is no life after delivery. What kind of life would that be?”
The second said, “I don’t know, but there will be more light than here. Maybe we will walk with our legs and eat from our mouths. Maybe we will have other senses that we can’t understand now.”
The first replied, “That is absurd. Walking is impossible. And eating with our mouths? Ridiculous! The umbilical cord supplies nutrition and everything we need. But the umbilical cord is so short. Life after delivery is to be logically excluded.”
The second insisted, “Well I think there is something and maybe it’s different than it is here. Maybe we won’t need this physical cord anymore.”
The first replied, “Nonsense. And moreover if there is life, then why has no one has ever come back from there? Delivery is the end of life, and in the after-delivery there is nothing but darkness and silence and oblivion. It takes us nowhere.”
“Well, I don’t know,” said the second, “but certainly we will meet Mother and she will take care of us.”
The first replied “Mother? You actually believe in Mother? That’s laughable. If Mother exists then where is She now?”
The second said, “She is all around us. We are surrounded by her. We are of Her. It is in Her that we live. Without Her this world would not and could not exist.”
Said the first: “Well I don’t see Her, so it is only logical that She doesn’t exist.”
To which the second replied, “Sometimes, when you’re in silence and you focus and you really listen, you can perceive Her presence, and you can hear Her loving voice, calling down from above.

lepasharon:
Why should we even need medical practices anyway when we have God? why does God need to work through medical personnel

lepasharon:
Lol I refuse to call myself the a word...but anyway yes and no. Yes because there is struggles of a being a non-religious nigerian female. I am a minority within a minority of a minority. It is easier in western cultures to be non-religious but not in africa cultures.

Ppl are so naive to believe because someone is non-religious that makes them a bad person but I know I'm not. But I'm grateful to be free from the mental enslavement of religion. Im free!

tartar9:
Don't you have better things doing with your life than compiling statements from some random people to come gloat over online?