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CatfishBilly:
I've come to this conclusion though, Prayers don't work inside a Hospital. They might work elsewhere, but definitely not in a hospital.

elsewhere

perhaps in your kitchen

here is a confused atheist and an half baked doctor that claimed a christian.....you are just a calamity

after all the death records that you have achieved.....this is finally your conclusion......"works elsewhere"

What have you achieved so far with this thread.....you could not even take a stand.....christian or atheist

May God have mercy on your soul.

newnature:
Christianity developed the notion of original sin. 


Extreme are the psalmist’s guilt feelings that he sees himself as sinful even before birth. Evil is a product of human behavior, not a principal inherent in the cosmos. It is the power of moral choice alone, that is Yahweh-like and having that good and bad knowledge is no guarantee that one will choose or incline towards the good. The very action that brought Adam and Eve a god-like awareness of their mortal autonomy, was an action that was taken in opposition to Yahweh. Yahweh knows that that human beings will become like Yahweh, knowing good and bad; it’s one of the things about Yahweh, he knows good and bad, and has chosen the good. Human beings, and only human beings are the potential source of evil, responsibility for evil will lie in the hands of human beings.

Well said... the last sentence just hit the nail.

Seun:
I don't see how sinning against God makes the human race the legal property of some fallen angel, such that God wouldn't be able to simply take us back anytime without having to pay any price for us. If God didn't sell us to Satan, then he didn't need to buy us back from Satan.

man's wickedness to man is the real sin....your badness only affects man....God is to adjudicate between one man and the other and render judgment......the court of heaven is no different from the earthly court except that the earthly one is corrupted because it is maned by men.

Christ came to reconcile you with God but you willfully refuse..........but anytime you change your mind He will accept you but not in your fleshy nature.

Seun:
How did Satan come to own the human race? Did God sell the human race to him at some point? If not, why couldn't God just take us back?

Nothing was sold .....the world was simply corrupted by greed and man's selfish earthly desires.....

God will take you when you are ready to die....but you enjoy the world so much....that you are not willing to transform......God will not take you in your fleshy nature.

Old covenant is outward circumcision.....Ten commandment is different from covenant being that it is regarded as law.

covenant is like a contract between man and God sealed by the mark of circumcision......the new covenant is that ..

God has promise to make him self known to every man
that non may have to tell them that He is God...
God is sealing this covenant in the conscience and heart of men.

that is why as a Christian you now have a living conscience

Old Law stand abolished once it is repealed.

I dey look una.

how does this debate help your spirituality

Akin1212:
Death is gain? Then your folly is really a loss.... mtchew

small boy

CatfishBilly:
So, the HIV patients discarding their drugs and praying aren't doing it in faith, Pray, tell which show of faith is greater than discarding the antiretroviral drugs?

em... Dr, even your drugs cannot keep any body alive.....we will all die....

you are a doctor and should know anything that has life must surely die....death is a transformation apart from a contribution to mother nature.

you said the other time that Christ healed the sick and raised the dead........it is painful that your brain did not tell you that they did not live forever......they died...the whole Bible characters died.

Dr say after me ..." i'm not afraid of death".

You are healed from the fear of death in Jesus name. Amen.

CatfishBilly:
Nowhere in this thread did I say that God doesn't exist or criticized him. Someone asked me point blank on this thread if I am an atheist, you can go and check out my answer. I just said prayers don't work evidenced by how it has failed ALL my patients at the point of death.
It's the Nigerian way of arguments tho. If you don't have anything to say, then attack your opponent.

Dr, you are unemployable......no chemist should even employ.....you have too many death records......you are just a bad news and a bad luck.

reading through your story, you should not even be a doctor.........this patient died....another died....a child i was treating died.....my aunt died.....die..die....die...all around you.
Dr of doom......i won't even let you examine my child with a hundred foot pole.......all the people you examined and treated died lol.....is like your presence around a patient send them to their grave.

Dr, i suggested you go for some deliverance.

frank317:
What's ur point? Why are u here and there with no point. U just accused the op of breaking medical ethics, just because he is trying to show how prayer did not work for his patients. That was a baseless accusation.

If u think death is a wonderful thing, u can go and kill urself already and stop preaching that death is a wonderful thing when ur likes are the ones coming to his professional house to pray for life.

Death is a terrible thing, that's why he is concerned that even prayer to the almighty creator seems useless to it. The op feels bad when a patient in his care dies, but how does ur God who has promised to much feel. U now want to preach to us that death is a wonderful thing. What kind of skewed thinking is this?

Pls if u have nothing to say shut up.

You don't believe God Exist and you join the Op in criticizing what does not exist...."God Did...God Did Not Do"......How does it affect you .........you know how to shut people up......ole thread, gerrrat outofhere!!!!!!!

felixomor:
Most likely he is one of the young doctors still dancing ajasco with his mbbs certificate, intoxicated with small knowledge....

I wanted to say so .....it is well my brother......so much attacks on Christians....this is what Hond was trying to kick against.

even catfish has come to to ridicule Christians who died......does it mean that people of other religion don,t die .. make you help me ask am

felixomor:
Dont worry.
You are only lucky u r writing under a hidden name.
These write ups could have been used against u.

Then we would have known who the real medic is.

No mind am, the guy dey write as if he no use dead body take study medicine.....when he was butchering some during his practicals, he did not know that they were people......perhaps..He blamed God then for their death...and still compassionately diced into it......now he has come to spill stories of the dead .

I pray the power of God Locates him soon.

CatfishBilly:
Please, show me what rule I broke in the medical ethics handbook and I'll personally go and submit myself to mdcn for sanctions.
Death is a horrible thing. I don't know how you view it, but I consider it a failure when my patient dies, some people are just passionate about human lives and I happen to be one of them, so, yea, death is bleeping horrible


It's thinking like this that breeds suicide bombers, really.
If we are better of dead, why did God bother raising people from the dead or healing the sick?

This secrecy that you keep on going on and on about, Did I mention any names? Did I give locations? Did I mention what year? If you don't know anything about patient privacy, ask me, I'll be glad to explain.

I am not here to argue with you......your clients died and so you have failed . do you have the power to keep alive .. you are thinking yes just because you read medicine....

your patient prayed...had faith and they died..." this death means gain for them" and it means a horrible thing to you. " as if na you die"

If you bring religious critisms in to your work you will continue to fail in this profession....what i sense in your thread is blaming God for your client's death and for your failures.

my friend go and rethink whether you want to remain in this profession or not.

JackBizzle:
You missed the point entirely- the point hardmirror is making is that because something is hard, it doesnt make it right.

Just because christian fasting and praying for hours is hard does not mean it is right.


The hard thing is actually doing the right thing. The moral thing.

I can work and live with christians, muslims, pagans, hindus, buddhists......something you supposedly righteous/moral christians cannot do...."love your neighbour"

Christians don't see praying, fasting and reading scripture as a hard thing.......is their way of life..........though it was a hard thing for me to do as an atheist........ SIR, this is my honest truth.

CatfishBilly:
Next case
We had to manage a woman with hemorrhagic stroke (A blood vessel ruptured in her brain which just kept on bleeding). Nigeria has a very poor record when it comes to managing patients with this kind of stroke. I lost my aunt to a hemorrhagic stroke.
She was in a coma and different cadres of Pastors and Evangelists and brethren all came in to pray for her, it was like a revolving door. As one group was leaving, another group was taking their place. It happened like that till she died. In spite of all the prayers by the different men of God.

Dr, you post as if death is a very horrible thing..... i am not expecting this from a doctor at all........this is the environment where you work and death should not be an unusual or strange thing to you........you have practically breach the ethics of your profession if you don,t know.....a doctor like you should be sanctioned if not that you are unknown.

two important time in a man's life....the day he is born and the day he dies........something must kill man.....some die before you or after you....and life goes on......

Divine healing or not...everybody must die.......i was healed does not mean.... i will never die again.......my time will come and yours will come too, treatment or no treatment,......from your experience...even you as a doctor do not even possess the power to save those people from the hand of death.......some persons who are not Christians must have died in your hand too while trying to save them......

prayer or no prayer...once your time is up.....you go.......Christians should live prepared at all time......no Christian should be hoping to stay in this world for ever.......

Dr, those dead people you talked about are better off than you.....this is what scripture says.....and better still is the one unborn.

Every profession has its challenge......there is a duty of secrecy that we owned our clients...dead or alive.......i listen and i hear a lot in my own profession.......i separate it from religion.......the encounter i have with my clients will never be a subject for discussion any where.

HardMirror:
There are religions in Asia and South america that use sharp objects to pierce their bodies, flogging themselves to stupor and paint the street with their flowing blood. I guess since what they are doing is hard, it proves that they have a higher mental capacity than u christians

Your suggestion Sir,


Christians don not flog, pierce or drain blood from persons for painting streets.....we look after our bodies....not a hair on our bodies should be hurt or injured.

if your idea of "pray, fast and read scripture" constitute or is synonymous to physical injuries...then you have missed the point.......

i fast
i pray
i read the scripture......and spiritually, mentally and physically, it sharpens me... i am a stronger person now with a very sound mind than when i was in your camp

hopefulLandlord:
in case you haven't figured things out for yourself yet

H.ond is "Sciencew.atch's" alter ego

they're both puppets of Thief bee joshua

there's a reason no atheist OR even Christian takes any of the two monickers serious except you

you are so disappointed that one of your own has turned a rebel in your camp.....no freedom with out rebellion.......Hond want to liberate you from your closed mindedness and cowardice ..........beside you did not give me any reason why i should not take him serious.....i won't even listen to you any way.

SirWere:
Haba. This hond guy is clearly a troll. It's as clear as a bell.

Lol.... tell me about it......did you say troll ......when he is kicking your balls so hard.....troll ba

Hond:
I admire your simplicity. Simple direct language is the territory of the wise says my "Brave Atheist" Dad.

If a car accident is filmed on youtube it is evidence and can be used in court?
"Coward Atheist" reject youtube evidence of healing. I used to do the same but after I lost a lot of money on a bet that a disabled chap wont be healed that went to TB josua was actually healed I now know how to examine video testimonies.

"Coward Atheist" don't want proof at all. They have decided there is no God and no evidence will change their mind.

TB Joshua healed a disabled.........did you say bet ......this is a serious testimony.
i talked about divine healing yesterday on this forum and sirwere picked offence........now this is coming from an atheist.

JackBizzle:
I always been open about my going to church.

This raw power of God, can it generate electricity? NEPA/PHCN has been dealing with me.

NO

JackBizzle:
false.

being an athiest in nigeria is one of the hardest things to do mentally.

I still go to church to appear as an "upright man" in the society to friends and family. I have to listen to a preacher preach nonsense I don't believe in for hours.

When people talk about religion or churches, I have to keep quiet and smile with the religious bullshit.


Atheists have to keep calm in an unending stream of religious intolerance in nigeria.


If we were really as immoral as christians claim, we would be with machine guns tearing up churches and mosques

jackkyyyy,

abeg change church......you need to experience the raw power of God.

i'm surprise you attend church

What whistle blowing protection plan do they have for us

if i must do this kind of job, i need a double insurance policy for it.

And my people are thinking of how to turn this into a career.

Hond:
Hey bro, I simply hate a coward. I was raised that way, man. I just arrived on NL after accepting an invitation from two prominent Atheists to examine Atheism here. It is a great platform but the foolishness and insults of others precious holy doctrines is going too far.

It these low life Atheist kill every religion and its people, they will soon restart religion. Life among this type of Coward Atheist is painful, agonizing and too stressful.

Yet I am working hard to decide on the religion i should learn. Even if I dont, I hate cowards that attack these people.

so on point.......May God Bless you even if you don't believe.

I shall be following you bumper to bumper on this forum.

Hond:
It is shocking to see what you cowardly Atheists discuss on a clearly defined topic. You ladies love meaningless gossip and destroying holy doctrines of religions around the world.

What is it that Atheists wont tell the public ?

Come now assholes stop fucxking around.

RA BABABABAB

THIS GUY IS ON FIRE.


TRA LALALALALALAL.


I LOVE THIS GUY REALLY...............YOU ARE ALREADY A HEADACHE TO ATHEIST ON THIS FORUM......

SEUN FRANK317, YOU HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR EVIDENCE FOR GOD.


i present to you "Hond"

frank317:
Why do I feel this the handwork of fleximor. The dude was first to comment and the first thing he did was congratulate the Op for being honest... Seriously... HONEST?

Blame game.........looking for some one to be held responsible for the ill treatment received from your atheist brother.......you are the chief musician of abuses on Nairaland Forum.......you make melodies and rhyme off it....was hoping to see you blow your trumpet of abuses back...... but this op is just too fast and too much for you.

Good to see Nairaland atheist beating and their camp set on fire by one of its own.

jonbellion:
I think alternate monikers should start being paid for
It may not be perfect but at least it will help curb internet stupidity

Emmanuella come and see this one feeling beating from internet stupidity.

the Op really kicked your balls...

Seun:
All right, please go ahead and share your "convincing evidence" of God's existence with us, so that we can all surrender our lives to God!

Also, if your mum's connection to God is so wonderful, why did God choose to make her a powerless witness to the physical abuse of her son?

Too bad; I got here too late. Thanks for dealing with the situation, guys!

no , you are not "late" i pray.

what situation did your guys deal with by the way .

The Op is the kind of theist needed to deliver the atheist on nairaland forum......if i were to be abusive the way the arrogant and rude atheist do on this forum.....you will be weeping before i'm even banned........i am not commending the op for being abusive, i guess he wrote and behaved like an atheist not a theist......He is one of you.

Watch out Oga Seun...your camp is divided



Hope to see more of the Op.

Today, February 8 2017 will mark 3 years since I crossed from the other side of the divide into the realm of atheism aka antitheism.
You will come across atheists on the internet, running around like mountain goats, yapping about how atheism has improved their live and shaped their overall perception of the world around, but this is what they will never reveal to you.

My story:

I was born into a very religious christian family to strict parents who highly believed that teaching the young child bible tales is ethical, and using the rod as a measure of correction for an erring child is morally acceptable. My dad was a profane, wicked, heartless, uncompromising theist. He treated me like I was not his child, and once too often he did send me into the cold streets at night, but not before beating me to within an inch of my life. I screamed. I cried. I thirsted. Me was restless. The flames going higher. Satan's little helper running down the steps, hell's door close by.

Sadly, my mum kept quiet all through and acted like I fully deserved the punishing being meted to me by my dad. She was little more than a fawning puppet trapped in the cage of a savage tyrant. I still love her though.

I left the house 2013 and, kneeling down, I swore to the skies to always hate theists, however I needed something obscure to hide my true intentions towards christians, so I embraced atheism.

After I became an atheist, I suscribed to subjective morallity, my morality took a deplorable plunge to a down low. I did many bad things shocking for a 20-year-old. Ranging from clubbing, to engaging in street fights and heated arguments in public places, to drinking excessively and _fucking those hot chics, yeah the ones with gigantic boobs and big asses.

Since God does not exist, I thought life is basically meaningless, senseless and purposeless. Every open door was well utilised fighting theists both online and offline. I argued religion late into the night, afterwards read some materials I will use as weapons against religion the next time before I slept.

I was a 21st century psychopath slowly changing into a lunatic, accountable to neither man, because I believed in subjective morality, nor a non-existent God.

But, despite how fulfilled I felt, despite the arguments I won and riding on the waves of the fleeting joy of ridiculing theists, despite not being afraid of hell fire threat, I still felt an emptiness deep in me. Although evidence and facts state God doesn't exist but my heart is yearning for an answer and reaching for that profound connection my mum seemed to have with the non-physical whenever she got on her knees, her eyes closed, looking up at heaven. The sight was glorious. It was calm and marvellous, beyond human comprehension, beyond all pleasures of life. I think that void in me would be filled if I can find that one thing I have been searching for.

I became an atheist because I was abused by my dad who is a theist and because I also wanted to sin without feeling guilt, not because I lack the convincing evidence to believe in God's existence.

kudos!!!!

I had to read the story again....."the void", "emptiness"..... this is the reason why i never had peace as an atheist.....i was always cranky and irritated when i see Christians engage in vices that ought not....i criticise them more.

though as an atheist, i never

drank
clubbed
had friends
sleep around
smoked. etc

this is because it was not appealing to me....these vices irritated me.

My dear, God has made you a great man and nothing can change this.....you are great....mark my words.

frank317:
Good, how exactly is this difference in choice of eating a test of mental strength?


Ya right, so there we should force ourselves to be unhappy in other to feel like human...i.e starving ourselves and calling ourselves sinners.


Lol... Why don't u also slash ur unholy flesh with razor and whip urself to stupor... I don't care about being holy, but u want to be holy to an imaginary being that u have never seen...Why again are we using this to measure mental weakness?

you have made your point... i was once like you.....eat your food and let be since i prefer to starve.

i also observed that i was physically, spiritually and mentally weak as an atheist....than as a christian.....the Op is actually right. Atheists are actually weaker than Christians.....i have been both and know the difference

SirWere:
You are starting to annoy me

Ok ooo.....read the book of John...the message of Christ annoyed several persons.....they even attempted throwing stones at him.....so I'm not at all surprise that you are annoyed.

UyiIredia:
This is the no true Scotsman fallacy. You cannot and should not claim that because someone is doing something immoral he isn't a Christian. That is true in some cases but certainly not all.

my dear.....how i wish the power of God can land you so you will know the different......there is practical Christianity where you will be naturally restrained from immoral act.. not talk talk one.

Seun:
That's called having a healthy immune system. You eat well, rest well, and your body heals itself. What's your genotype, by the way? Is it AS?

I know you will say this.

there were times when i was always on drugs and always going to the hospital.......i dare not drink unboiled water.....i have had two surgeries over the years.

i experienced divine healing.....God rescued me...this is not a matter of a healthy immune system..........God heals