₦airaland Forum

DeSepiero:
Unfortunately, you haven't answered my question. There's no point quoting the bible for me.

You can't shy away from a simple fact that churches in Nigeria such as CAC, MFM, RCCG etc are religious organizations except you're being delusional.

Yes legally a church is a religious organization......Trust for the advancement of religion is a charitable one...The churches are now sales merchant, marketers, business centers and family businesses......the articles they sell is mind blowing....so many negotiations going on there....asobi, preached Gospel, water, calender, Pastor's photograph, Aprons, prayer recharge card, oils, paid services such as prayer for wealth, healing, husband and all whats not, and some other named spiritual and unspiritual article , i wonder if the disciples of Jesus wore asobi in their time.

please oh my friend, there is a might God we serve...and He gives you everything for free....if you look at what the churches are doing in Nigeria, you be rooted in an unbelief.

GodsMopol:
Okay, I would have prefer that you relate or read my comment in the light of the topic

Lemme ask, see Luke 8:1-3 where people to Jesus with their substance[/b][b]. The adulterous woman who poured perfume on Jesus got approval from Jesus.

I agree we need not be psychologically attached to our wealth, but it really strikes me that people give 10℅ and not their wealth and they seem to be loudest when financial debates arise, am just saying

Consider someone claiming he gave to God[b][/b], and somehow in his mind, he seems to constantly call the sum he is giving to remembrance, as though he never wanted to give

Substance of worship my friend......How many pastors will appreciate being washed with an expensive oil......the pastors of this generation have spoken like "Judas".. "sell the oil and bring me the money".........I laugh


You cannot give God Physical material things, ....God is incapable of receiving material things from any body......God is the poor and helpless people of society and you do not need your pastor or any body to show you a helpless person...

Where in the Bible did Jesus collect tithe and offerings from his adherers,......the 10% thing is obviously wrong as Christ being the greatest prophet that has ever lived did not preach it.. when did Jesus pay tithe him self when he is busy going about doing good....He said woe unto them that collect and pay.....and has neglected the weightier matters of God.

Jesus paid tax to the Govt of the Day and God made that money available...how may of us pay tax to Govt.

JackBizzle:
Ebola?


No pastor has ever tried to heal Ebola patients. Why na?

Jack no Pastor can heal anything......It is God that does the Healing.

JackBizzle:
Another great post from sir Akin of house Tom.


I swear, these churches are something else. Imagine a church started with drug money!

This is were the Christians actually got it wrong....the Building is not the Church if it is, Jesus Christ would have built one during His ministry.

"on this rock i shall build my church"........it is a body and not a building. God does not resides in building.

akintom:
This your argument is stale and well trashed here. Let me assume that you're a member of deeper life church or church of christ, will your ringleader agree to CAC looking into your books?

Is your church not lying, when it says to the members, that Yahweh has power to cure their diseases?[b][/b]

God can Heal any disease whether it has a name or not.

GodsMopol:
So many churches are playing religion with this folks, though Christianity demands we give to our leaders. Gal 6:6, more so, lands and property were sold for the sake of the kingdom in[b] Acts 2:44-45, 4:34-37, the popular of them is that of Jesus telling the rich man in [b]Matt 19:16-22[/b][b] to sell all he has and give to the poor. The Bible supports giving and giving is biblical

Property sold for the advancement of the kingdom was to create equality in wealth among the children of God...it was distributed to each person........and when some were not getting enough they complained.........does this still happen in churches these days


Jesus did not say the man should bring the money for him,

Jesus did not say he should give his pastor 10% of the total proceed of the sales,

Jesus did not say he should give the proceed of sales to his pastor,

You see, you did not get the lesson of that Bible passage.......it is actually teaching us the dangers of attachment to material wealth and not giving.

If you are so psychologically attached to your wealth, wife, children or anything at all, then you are not a Jesus candidate.

Topgainer:
This is one of such people who will fight to maintain the feudal status quo I spoke of in the previous post.
"Give and it shall be given unto you, good measure pressed down, shaken together and running over shall men give unto you." Now this passage and many others never stipulated that the Christian giving must go to Bishop Oyedepo or Apostle Rev King or ArchiBishop Duncan or to one Church or another. That Givers Church if there is no ulterior motive is actually teaching people true religion.
I have seen people envelope certain amount of money to church as seeds, tithes, partnership and offering while in the same compound he thinks and acts in ways suggesting that the money is too much to be given to the poor wretched neighbour of his whose only means of livelihood, a 5th hand taxi is suspended with wood logs in the same estate for months and another neighbour whose children are sent out of public secondary schools for inability to meet the 5k tuition fees. This church goer and religious tither believes the only thing he owes his neighbour is to compel him to be a member of his church where he runs to every Sunday with envelopes of his money, he believes everybody should bring tithe and other unnamed sums of money to his Bishop as Abraham did to Melchizedek.
My dear Sheeples, shine your eyes and learn from Jesus the meaning of true religion. Religion was made for man and not man for religion how much more Christianity. Legalism of tithes and other demands from the New Breeds is not Christianity.

So on point.....and we wonder why some people become rooted in unbelief.......they obviously do not want to be robbed of their senses and money..........They have maintained that they can be good without God......God is actually proud of some unbelievers ( the good Samaritan )

We need to SANITIZE Christianity, it has obviously lost its meaning in our land......people actually serve their GOs the way they should serve God.....this is idol worshiping.

As real Christians... we cannot all shot our eyes to all the obvious flaws facing us.

Topgainer:
Ordinarily, the Church will swell up with people in few months considering that many people have the yearnings to touch lives through such platforms and many too who are need will also come to be helped but watch as the business center churches halt the growth of that Church.
Charity and sharing were the keywords in the early Church. In sane countries Churches are registered as Charity organizations and the financial auditing there is as seen in other such organizations/foundations.

The second thing which the Church was known for is sharing words of encouragement from the Bible. A depressed man walks into a church and leaves with both words of encouragement and provisions for his immediate needs. Such immediate needs primarily does not exceed what we call basic needs of food, clothing and shelter. The sharing of the words takes precedence because it is believed that with soul-lifting words some can be inspired to challenge themselves and proffer solutions to their difficult problems.

Today, we have business centers built around a man who says to his sheeples
"bring all the money to me, because I and only I, are authorized to share it to the poor, or rather I will invest it for the poor through building Universities, Estates and Cooperations for the poor, they will be employed there "
"I am your ordained Levite priest, bring the tithe to me because I own no buildings, lands and businesses of my own"
Pastor Edward Olutoke is set to war against the ordained African "Levites" and they will fight to finish to maintain the status quo. They will dig up scriptures to back that the money should be given to the Bishop and the fake Levites who alone know how to share it to the poor.

Good one bro

We cannot afford any thing the churches of this generation has to offer......their school fees are high, their hospitals are expensive, their books are expensive and unreadable....They preach the gospel and sell it in CDs yet the Blue films, Nigerian home video and all the secular junks are cheaper....they sell their water just because they drill a borehole so they package it for sales ...A church that sells water is a Bastard devil from the pit of Hell......Elisha sanitized the waters and did not package it for sales.

No Pentecostal pastor has been questioned or held to account by members... why .....Because the multitude you see are not actually members......Go to CAC and check the Church file......perhaps you may find just 5 to ten Members who may not even know that they are members.......so if you sneeze they sheep you out.

The promoter.....may be the only true member....this is indeed a "business Center"

Op abeg give me the address,

Jesus preached to them, healed them, cast out demons from them....all for free....then not only fed but gave them left overs as takeaway.

Jesus never collected tithe or offerings even when he preached in the temple..........This is my kind of pastor....If God Called you, He will provide the finances and material blessings to run His business.

Any pastor who demand money in any way it is called is definitely a thief......No pastor should have an account....when Jesus sent the 70 out to preach, He did not permit them to carry bag so they don't enrich them selves.

A church is a registered incorporated trustee......It is set up for charitable purposes......Go to CAC and check the Object of Churches....You will find out that all the churches have abandon their objects.

The big question is .......who are the beneficiaries of a church trust .......you will see the "Needy" in their CAC file .

In Nigeria the one and only needy is now the pastor and his Immediate family .

God is still looking for the one man that will get it right.

OP, this is a good lamentation.

Religion is no longer credible because a lot of bad and stolen money is involve.

I agree with you, this area need to be regulated.

I Began to wonder!!!!!....if this was how missionaries ran churches...who will believe in God
The Church has committed so many offenses....deceit, misappropriation, cheating, robbery,criminal negligence, Bribery and corruption, criminal omissions and a whole lot more.

Because missionary ran schools My father's generation were able to go to school,.....but now poor Nigerians cannot even afford the schools set up by churches..........but thank to God Our Government ran schools too, majority of us were able to afford..... our Government is more charitable and more benevolent than the religious body.

No body will build anything and dash Govt...yet we want free everything.....let us start paying all those tithe, seed of faith, sacrificial giving, first fruit and all that it is to our Govt ......Govt will manage these fund better.......there should be a regulation to remove the control of monies and properties from the hands of the so call Religious.

Make Religion unprofitable....and see the true prophets

jared007:


Ayiri Emami a well known political thug, militant, killer and oil bunkerer almost given the title of ologbotsere? Soon enough he would ve also seized the crown from the Olu's head.

The Itsekiri enemies is not Ijaw or Urhobo but Itsekiri!

It was Itsekiri merchants that made Itsekiri not to have a king for over 80 yrs

It was Dore Numa an Itsekiri that betrayed Chief Nana Olomu

It was Chief Okotie-Eboh an Itsekiri that banished Olu Erejuwa and installed Olu Akengbuwa

It was Arthur Prest an Itsekiri and Daniel Okumagba maternally Itsekiri that destroyed the Overlordship tittle of the Olu in Warri town.

It was an Itsekiri assassin that Killed Pa Alfred Rewane.

STRONG!!!!

Abeg go swear affidavit make this testimony sell.

Deicide:
Olodo

lo...i'm an Urhobo and don't understand your language.

Another name for a dumbass is Deicide

Deicide:
Exaggerated facts you mean?

Yes, i have do you have a problem with that or you think Atheist don't read Bible?

So you mean all those guys in the bible died in the wilderness and their body turned to dust? Weren't they buried in a place? who asked about if their body were preserved all we just want is a tomb stone

Jobless atheist.....You read them and never understood any thing...you read for criticism only and never benefited from it and will never impact a soul with it......is a shame

The same Bible reading is buying private jet for people, establishing schools every where and feeding billions and you are here concerned with people that died thousands of years ago.....grave hunting is your job, all you want is a tomb .

please come to Kogi state and i will show many

MONEYJOEE:
What is this na? I mean like seriously, what has this gotta do with my question.

I'm gonna drop it again.

Are you implying that Yahweh is not the Christian god?

A YES or a NO will suffice.

God is called Yahweh in Greek, Jesus called him Elohim, Oghene in my own language....what is the fuse about

Answer is YES.....

next question

MONEYJOEE:
Lol. You're contradicting the lying scum that opened this thread. I backed him to a corner, and he said Christianity started with Judaism. That's when I know how fu`cked he was.

Now to your own post. Are you implying that Yahweh is not the Christian god?

God is God... He alone is God.... and let Him be God.

Judaism got it all wrong.........Christ came to Transform it and could not......hence Christianity is the result.

Christianity is different from Judaism.....both still exist today.......different doctrine though.

MONEYJOEE:
Thousands of gods out there but his parents god just happened to be the true god. Lol

@OP you'll make similar argument for another god depending where you were born.

Maybe something did cause the universe, but the first cause argument doesn't tell us that that thing is conscious or still alive. A dead or inanimate god is useless to theism. Plus how do you even leap from that thing to the one in your babble that loves barbecue and wants you to cut your penis skin. Your argument is terrible IMO

Did Jesus Christ tell you to cut your Joystick

what you need is a circumcision of your heart and not the physical mutilation of your body part.

The Op is a Christian and Christianity started with Jesus Christ

MrMontella:
ah Taya for them oo...
they never improve on their argument skills

Show us your skills if you have one................................................................













waiting

OP, good write-up any way.



Following.

Deicide:
There is no one single fact in the Bible

So you have read all portions of the Bible

LiberaDeus:
@OP

Please can you state what makes christianity the more logical religion than islam?

And also explain why i shouldnt see the uncausable causer as Allah who sent his last prophet Muhammad.

Thanks

Taste the powers then you will know.

KingEbukasBlog:
So to the Gnostic atheists , the universe does not exist if I call it a deity ??

So to the gnostic atheists , my mobile device does not exist if I call it a deity ?

Interesting !

The catch ....

JackBizzle:
If the universe was[/b][b][b][/b] eternal, this means that there was no creator involved. The universe just existed

let the universe pass before you conclude

Martinez19:
If I am an amputee and I pray to God to restore my limb, what work must I do so that the faith won't be dead?
Jesus never taught that we needed works to make faith alive. This idea is the most dubious escape in christianity. [b][/b]

The bold is very correct.....this was what Kathryn kulhman lamented...as if faith is a thing that can be purchased.

Christ did all manner of healings and miracles with out faith.

Elisha's bones raised a dead man.........where is faith and whose faith
Naama got healed by grudgingly washing in the Jordan river...who's faith is it
Peter's Shadow was busy healing as he passes by.........who's faith is it.
Lazarus was raised in the presence of faithless mourners

It is an abomination for a pastor to preach faith.....it becomes an excuse for his shortcomings after collecting tithe, offerings, seeds etc

What about the love of God...

stevecantrell:
An alarm servitor of all things.....lolzz ! Will it wake u up with a slap or a kick ?

Thats of no use to insomniacs like me..

Besides, most of the readers are looking for servitor that will add 30 billion to d akant..[b][/b]

Go and ask Oyedepo, Abioye, Enoch, Eneche, Tb Joshua etc.....forget about the occult.

Seun:
Every death is due to a medical condition[/b][b]. You die when vital organs in your body like your heart, lungs, and brain stop working. If divine healing was real, its practitioners would live forever. Clearly that is not the case. In fact, like Bishop Idahosa and Kathryn Kuhlman, they often die prematurely. Even if you have faith the size of Olumo Rock, it will not cure any sickness that you could not have recovered from naturally.

Faith or no faith.. God heals.....i didn't have faith when i got my healings...God can heal any sickness wether it has a name or not.

There is divine health and healing...it does not mean that you don't fall sick....but you over come it without drugs....divine healing could be instantaneous or gradual depending on how you channel the spirit of God in to that part of your body that need to be healed....there are how ever sicknesses that may not weigh a person down and will not prevent such a person from living a fulfilled life....you triumph to glory with it.

We were born so we will die as well.....death is a transformation that must occur whether we like it or not.....divine health and healing is a gift from God, that you are kathryn kuhlman does not mean sleep or headache cannot kill you......something must kill a man...good things or bad things.....Plane crash, accident, collapse building etc, killed both sick and healthy, strong and weak, adult and children.....the good news is that you are alive and strong....perhaps you have not found your self in any terrible condition that will make you have faith in men...not even God.

Oloruntobi4382:
Just picture the symbol in your mind while having an orgasm either by masturbating or having sex. Or burn yourself a little and picture the symbol in your mind during the pain.


Remember there's no right way to do it.

I laugh in Greek.

God power pass you.

you are just here to destroy lives.

God will show me who you are because i have asked.

AlvanT:
People tell me since childhood I have exceptional interest in healing practices,...my zodiac symbol scorpio is associated with the water element which affiliates with healing too.I'll love the act of healing as it's what gives me the sense of fulfillment more than anything.I'll research the basics and get back to you.Thanks.

The power to heal comes from God and God alone.

forget about the occult....it will destroy you.

JackBizzle:
Oga, you are an adult. Will your God pay my bills?

I have responsibilities, I don't have time to waste on superstitions. Furthermore, history and probability is on my side. Atheists are usually more secure financially on average compared to christians and the rest of the society!

My God will not pay bills for you but will prevent you from accumulating bills.

Bester44:
It looks like a certain God is forcing me[/b] to do something... The [b]ministry[b][/b] thing.

The bold......what kind of ministry

bunbit23:
At least then the white man cared about our education.....they taught our fore fathers how to read and write for free...now take a look at the schools organized by the churches in Nigeria especially the rich ones who can do it for free....we cannot afford the school fees....

It was not done in love rather to help their selfish interest. Remember, they realized there could be language barrier which was why they have to do what they did by so teaching us their languages.



Op the Nigerian pastors Parading them selves about have done worse and abominable things that the white man did......people are religiously enslaved in their own country.

If you had followed with keen interest you must have read where I defined them as religious servants who carefully learnt from their masters. They all know that their wages are found here and now which is why they are carefully rewarding themselves with cursed money.




So they carried your dirty idols...your gods thinking they were good sculptures that will be good for interior and exterior designs since you left them in evil forest and bushes.



your statement here defines your height of spiritual ignorant. What do you know about spiritual operations? You think they are stupid for taking those oracles? Didn't they met other things in place? Why must they have to take those oracles since they are valueless as you assumed?
Your speech here talks more about your high level of spiritual ignorant. Before the white came to us, those Oracle has been in place just like we still have few leftover. You must know they realized the values which was the reason they took them. The more you develop your spiritual vibrations, more enlightened you get with spirit operations. Do not speak about what you do not know anything about rather I advice you ask questions. The white people were not fools for taking those oracles to their homes.
If you assume they are dirty as you said, walk down to any and remove it with your power as a Christian[b][/b].

Show me and i will burn them with Human power.
they have no spiritual values whatsoever.....if they did have they would have struck the white man...

Bester44:
I grew up as a very strong Christian. But when I clocked 25, a problem struck, and it defied all known remedies. It's insomnia. I sleep for 3 hours in a day unless I take sleeping pills. It has been like this for about 9 years. Consultant at a teaching hospital found no link to the problem. I prayed, fasted and nothing happened. Family members said I should use traditional drugs. I used it for years and nothing happened. Then relatives made a move to give me traditional powers, the kind of power herbalists possess. Since some relatives in my village are renowned priests, they agreed to empower me with the rituals meant for the initiates.

While the rituals were being performed, the Oracle said I'm naturally backed by some strange powers unknown to anyone, and that power could retaliate on those tampering with my existence. So my initiation was discontinued[b][/b]. And my ordeal persists.

I researched satanism, and met notorious satanists both ofline and online. I did everything needed to be a satanist, but all the manifestations failed to show in me. These are enough to make me an atheist, but I many times witnessed power demonstrations in the village. Example: There is one masquerade in my village that goes about with bees kept inside a long cylindrical pipe. The masquerade has about 10 designated bodyguards. Once clashes ensue in town, the bees will be released. So many people would be stung except the bodyguards. Once done, the bees would be commanded to enter back into the pipe and subsequently sealed. If fights ensue 3 times, the release and recapture into the pipe will happen 3 times. I won't force you to believe this, but if you want to investigate it, the town is Ife-odan in osun state, and the masquerade is named Kanngudu.

Now despite all these, the insomnia persists, and I'm not far from being a nobody. Let opinions pour in. Who knows, I may get a solution here.

Lalasticlala

At the bold.

Is time to activate that power.....and only God Can do that.....You need to be broken for God to use you.

I remember when i did no sleep for over three months....at least you get three hours a day

Those time you are not sleeping at night use it to intercede in praying for everybody, your community, Nigeria and the whole world.

JackBizzle:
I came back to Naija, only to find a crazy country. No light, burning diesel everyday, traffic, religious fools as office colleagues etc.

Now Naira is a half deaf currency that will stiĺ fall.




Yet some fool will tell me that there is God.[b][/b] What kind of God would allow me to be born in this hell hole of a country?


Yahweh can suck my ballz

And i am one of such fool......guy, give your self peace.....religion has nothing to do with the economic situation of Nigeria....some people don't even feels the lacks that you are feeling...they don't even understand why we complain....is as bad as that.

JackBizzle:
Can your God provide me with dollars?

Buhari' s recession don beat atheism commot my body. I won't mind a spiritual sugar daddy[b][/b].

If your problem is money then you are not a candidate for God's power.....you will be scammed.

At a time in my life i hated the world and all the material good things that are in it....nothing made sense to me.....i just wanted to leave and that is when the Power of God Located me.

If i was pursuing dollars... i for done die leave the dollar.....every human being go die leave dollar my friend.