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mmb: we shouldnt be comparing ourselves with a noble Prophet of Allah or companions of our beloved Prophet. They were people of attested character unlike people of nowadays who may do something just to exert their authorities or for selfish reasons.

tbaba1234: First of all, the man is an adult and should reject such a proposal if it is done for selfish reasons. It would be an injustice on his wife to do so.
Obeying parents can only be within the limits of Allah.

Abuamam: All this is grammar. No one can divorce on behalf of the husband, unless implicitly appointed by the husband to deliver the message of divorce. Which type of chaos is this event teaching? The worst they can do is to advice their son to divorce his wife. At this moment, she remains his wife unless he confirms that he has divorced her, and based on the timing of her menstrual purity and their last sexual contact, etc.

The case of the prophet Ibrahim is very different. Parents of nowadays can force their son or daughter to divorce on some imagined slight or a worldly issue, or even because 'alfa' said so.

You need to look at this;

Jami` at-Tirmidhi » The Book on Divorce and Li'an
Hadith 16

Ibn Umar narrated:
"I had a wife whom I loved, but my father disliked her, so he ordered me to divorce her but I refused. I mentioned that to the Prophet and he said: 'O Abdullah bin Umar! Divorce your wife.'"

http://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/13

Salaam!

Is it Muslim Brotherhood(MB) you defend as a non-terror organization? See, vedaxcool, if i begin to recount some terrors that has been perpetrated by the MB from her inception till date, from radicalizing Muslims, oppressing Copts to assassinating critics/apostates; you may begin considering deleting this thread.

I hope this make front page. Those ignorant Muslims and Christians need to be informed. The fact that MURIC correlate Arabic to Islam is highly embarrasing.

I talked of the insurgents having a passive support base in the Muslim community.
Here is a topic that deals with that matter extensively;
Passive Terrorism: Peaceful Violence

So even MURIC is ignorant enough to take Arabic as part of Islam. Sometimes, i can't help but note how after 14 centuries, Muslims are still very ignorant of their religion. What has Arabic writing got to do with Islam? Knowing fully well that Arabic existed before Islam and throughout the Qur'an, God never credited Arabic over other language. In fact the only reason the Qur'an was revealed in Arabic is because the Prophet 's mother tongue is Arabic. In Islam, it is expected to believe in other Scriptures like Gospel which weren't revealed in Arabic. Why then does a body representing Muslims in Nigeria cry over the elimination of the writing; "100 Naira" in Arabic from the banknote?

insycarc:
Seriously Jesus Christ and Muhammed are two different prophets...Jesus Christ was Sinless and pure right from birth..iTs confirmed both in the quaran that when Jesus was abt to b born,am angel appeared to Mary telling her abt a holy child...Jesus was never accused of any sinful life like fornication,lust,murder,jealous.Most importantly Jesus died without getting married.Jesus was Neva Drunk eventhough he dinned with sinners..Mohammed was not born of a virgin.In surah 48,Mohammed acknowledged he was a sinner and prayed for forgiveness of his sin..At 1 point he was drunk,then his guard killed his bestfwend and put a sword in his hands.Wen Mohammed awoke he tot he had killed his bestfwend n commanded all muslims nt to drink..Mohamed was a womanizer,he married aisha,a 6yr old girl and slpt with her when she was 9yrs,he askd khadiia his wife to gve him 1 of her slaves Zaid & he also maried his inlaw Zainab after she divorced her husband.Mohamed robbed,kiled&raped.Jesus neva did those things,Jesus is a true example

You are certainly consumed by subjectivity and have certainly fallen for the ploy of enemies of God who may call themselves Muslims or Christians. I would recommend you to download Qur'an: A Reformist Translation.

If you think it is not possible that Muhammad was a noble man in contrast to the slanders spread about him, them read the Talmud and find similar insults and slanders about Jesus.

diluminati:
did it make you cry?

Nah, but i came close to that. I won't describe the feeling as painful to stir tears but you know that empty, hopeless, bereft mood that looms when you expect nothing but doom, when things only get worse no matter your efforts, that 's how it feels.

By the way, what is Chicago fire about?

I remember finding "American Horror Story: Murder House" very dark and depressing.

Right from the season premier to the finale, you are treated to tales of gory, terrific, miserable experience that tenants of a house endured to their demise.

dorox: How can the publication of one obscure newspaper from Denmark cause muslims to kill their fellow non muslim citizens in muslim majority countries halfway across the world is something I am still trying to understand.

You don't understand. Graphically depicting animals or human beings is prohibited in orthodox Islam. Graphically depicting Muhammad is sacriledge in orthodox Islam. Disapproving/ridiculing Muhammad is blasphemous in orthodox Islam. All these added up the fury over Danish cartoon.

Granted, Muhammad is held very dear to them, but why kill people who had nothing to do with the cartoon? One would think that a truly peaceful religion would teach its members how to exercise restraint in the face of provocation.

@underlined, which restrain do you expect when orthodox Islam spell death for anyone who commit such act like Danish Cartoon? The fanatics even believe a great reward await anyone who kill the publishers.

Ovacoma:
you are even more confused, dat Allah is another name for Devil!

Hey, stop! Allah is the arabic word that arabs used for God regardless of their faith. Stop cursing and contribute your quota respectfully.

EroticAngelina:
I wanna know..it can be sexual something or love something. what are the little or big things girls do that make your knees weak, in other words, that make you fall in love or become interested in her?

treating me friendly and kindly does it for me. I guess that 's because am a shy fellow

ArtanK has spoken well. Unfortunately extremists or ultra conservatives are often louder and more influential than moderate Muslims.

Many Muslims migrate from Middle East to the West in order to be free of shackles of Sharia and religious zealotry. Unfortunately, through the radical preachings, their Children are radicalized and before you know it, they are applying for autonomy of Muslim community and implementation of Sharia law.

The least the Australian government can do at this point is reject Sharia. Most Muslims wouldn't migrate as far as Australia to live under extremist, inhumane, misorgynist rules that they left behind in the Middle east.

dorox:
My point is that the atrocities committed by bokoharam in the name of Allah and his messenger Muhammad brings more reproach to muslims and their god, yet muslims as a group tend not to denounce them.

No, they do dennunce them, although i find the denouncement hypocritical because what Boko haram is staging has been sanctioned by revered Muslim scholars like Muhammad Ibn Abdulwahhab and Ibn Tamiyya.

But all it takes for muslims as a group to go berserk, is a silly cartoon of muhammad from one obscure newspaper.
Does that not strike you as odd?

Good thinking, the funny thing is that their Books of traditions are full of insults and slanders to the Prophet, yet they are fine with this. If someone attack the person of the Prophet citing evidence from those Books like Salman Rushdie did, the fanatic Muslims go bonker.

Cutehector4u:
well said..woow so thr r undercover mosques? I thought they preach abt allah... Ds is serious

doesn't sound like you have opened the link. "Undercover Mosque" is a documentary that gives you a glimpse of radicalization occurring in the Mosques.

Cutehector4u:
yes yes yes.... U just reminded me of smth...den i think the educational sector in nigeria should include that in their school curriculum...i mean only for the muslim schools... Teach dem against terrorism nd d dangers of such....

Yes, u 're spot on. There is need to reform or review the Islamic studies curriculum taught in Muslim schools especially in the West and Middle east. Although, this cannot be effective without moderating the message of preachers in the Mosques. It is useless reminding students that Islam enjoin peace and forbid evil whilst in the Mosques or Seminars, we have preachers delivering sermons with dark, intolerant and fanatc undertones. For instance, look at this; Undercover Mosque

Cutehector4u:
yh u r very right nd i hav notoced.... Well, he who kills by d sword shall die by the sword... If osama can be killed, den shekau is no match

Of course, Shekau can be killed but will that solve bring lasting peace? Remember Osama 's killing did not slow down Al Qaida, it even motivated them. Many of them consider Osama as a martyr to be adored or emulated. And so turning back would be utter betrayal on their path. That is why the militants must be fought both militarily and intellectually. Even if we may be unable to fix them, we should be able to educate Muslims liable to join their cause in future

Cutehector4u:
the muslim clerics hav done that...still yet dr hearts are hardened...

Muslim clerics haven't done anything in my opinion. Often time, they chose to condemn the insurgents than confront their ideology. Do you notice that in contrast to the numerous Mosques, Schools, Websites and institutions disseminating radical interpretation of Islam, there is hardly any Muslim body countering this with a more moderate interpretation of Islam?

Learn 5 basic facts about Islamist terrorism or insurgencies;

https://www.nairaland.com/2009893/5-things-must-know-islamist#28246323

Cutehector4u:
i think dey should be brainwashed

Enlightened, should be the word. They are already brainwashed into evil.

Conclusion:

It is essential to enlighten ourselves on these, to arm ourselves against Islamist to understand the militant mindset better and counter them. Most especially, this will be valuable for intellectually defeating the militant ideology to slay the monster for good.

Have Faith in GOD!

To defeat these militants properly, their ideology must be debunked. To attain this, an intellectual war against their traditions must be waged alongside the military one. It must be proved from within and outside Islam that this militant ideology is deficient. It is out of neglect for this that Islamist militancy continue to thrive.

On the part of the Muslim world, ultra conservative and radical interpretation of Islam that breed intolerance, segregation, extremism, separatism and ultimately insurgency must be challenged. Watch out for fiery, xenophobic or Islamofascist preachings in the Mosques. This is common in Mosques in northern Nigeria, the cause of staunch rejection of democracy, secularism among northern Youths.

Majority of the Mosques in the West are pro- Muslim Brotherhood. This isn't right. The Muslim Brotherhood is the founder of modern Islamism or political Islam, a movement that believes in Jihad(Rebellion or Warfare) for restoration of the Islamic state or Caliphate. There is need for moderate Mosques in the society to counter the extremist, separatist and terrorist undertones of the ultra-conservative Mosques.

E. Islamist insurgents cannot be militarily defeated.

Unless we accept this, we would burn millions from our resources fighting endless hordes of Islamist militants. We 'll suffer more and more casualities in our manhunt or war against militants.

Islamist militants cannot be defeated by only firepower. If you reflect on Boko Haram, you 'll find that after Umar Yar'adua exterminated the original group headed by Muhammad Yusuf in 2009, we all thought it was over. Only months later, another group re-emerged in 2010 in greater number, vigor and skill, terrorizing us till date.

Islamist insurgency or militancy is an ideology. Facing it with only military might is counterproductive. In the case of Boko Haram, Yar'adua defeated them militarily but didn't defeat their ideology. Thus, those militants that survived the extermination must have gone on sermonizing, proselytizing and winning more hearts and minds, employing the rhetoric that a Sharia state duty bound upon Muslims.

In response, the Saudi state Police clamped down on the offenders. Many, including mere suspects were arrested, imprisoned, beaten and some were even killed. This even further incensed the conservatives leading the militias and pro-militias to flee the Saudi Kingdom to Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan where they declared an all out war against America and the 'unislamic' government of the Muslim states. Thus modern Islamist insurgency that will produce Boko Haram, ISIS was born.


However, Islamist insurgency as a phenomenon didn't begin in the '90s. For over a millineum, insurgents have emerged here and there in the Muslim world, bemoaning the incumbent state of deviation from Islam and embarking on a violent quest to attain power to establish an Islamic state and enforce Sharia. In cases, these insurgents have succeeded in their bloody quests. A typical example is the current Saudi state which was first established via a bloody insurgency in the 19th century, spearheaded by a cleric; Muhammad Abdulwahhab. It goes beyond saying that the foundation on which the Saudi state was built is no purer than the foundation that ISIS is built.

D. Islamist insurgency is not a new dilemma

In the '90s, in response to growing threat of military invasion of Saudi state by Saddam Hussein, the Saudi government stationed some American troops in Medina as the State lacked competent military. The conservative Muslims worldwide would not have this move and furiously oppose it. For according to their traditions, non-Muslims like the American troops are out of ban to Mecca and Medina. Mainstream Muslims generally confirm this tradition.

Muslim militias in the State who had just returned from the Soviet-Afghan War demanded they take the task of defending the State while the American troops are withdrawn, but the Saudi government refused thereby incensing the conservatives even more. Frustrated, the militias targeting the American troops in Medina, secretly blowing up their tents or vehicles, wounding some and killing others.

Reports have it that in the early early days of Boko haram insurgency, at least one in every house hold in Maiduguri of Borno state sympathized with Boko Haram 's cause. Multimillionaires or Billionaires in the middle east and even in the West have often been suspected of financing terrorist organizations like ISIS. Even the so called moderate Muslim organisations like CAIR[Council on American-Islamic Relations] have been implicated too. Reports have surface time and again that more and more individuals even from the West are enlisting for Islamist insurgent groups like ISIS. They include even teenage girls below 20 years. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/29/schoolgirl-jihadis-female-islamists-leaving-home-join-isis-iraq-syria

There is a clash of viewpoint between the pro-insurgency and anti-insurgency Muslims. The former rebuke the latter of extremism while the latter rebuke the former of hypocrisy. Beyond this, however, there is hardly much grievances between them.

C. Islamist insurgents have a passive support base.

As controversial as condemning all Muslims for Islamist insurgencies, it is silly to assume these militants have no civilian backing from the Muslim populace. Even with Muslims speaking against these insurgents, there are passive insurgents masquerading as anti-insurgents in the Muslim world. They often serve as financial donors, fifth columnists or exhorters for the cause of Islamist insurgencies. They may keep a low profile in the civic environment but the express themselves honestly and confidently on internet or social networks where their identity is anonymous. They feel greatly indebted to the active insurgents sacrificing themselves for restoration of Sharia law and the Islamic state.

Take Boko Haram as an example. It started decades ago as a movement to enlighten norther Muslims and mobilize them for return of Sharia law as in the days of Borno Empire before the amalgamation of southern and northern protectorates. Although Boko Haram have negotiated varying subjects with the federal government, their primary demand remains full implementation of Sharia law in the north.