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Ideadoctor:
Ooni has never done anything to merit that word" fool " but here you are stupid boy,displaying madness and insanity en mass,your stupidity is legendary, I would have insult your oba wella, but as an omoluabi that was brought up well I would not call a royalty a fool,but you grwgyboy,you are amazingly stupid

You have done more than that, remember this :

Ideadoctor:
The only Benin empire I know is Benin olosho empire stretching from Nigeria to Italy

You brought the insult to your that boy you call oni

By the way, you remain an Ọzuwọ

Ideadoctor:
who cares if you see the Ooni as a king or not,nothing concern me,go online and browse the top ten Nigerian monarchs and see Ooni position compared to your Oba, your oba domain is limited to Benin city,ife domain include all south west and northern Nigeria,including warri,Benin republic, Togo, Bahia in Brazil, Cuba, parts of carribean and Americas. in fact Ooni is more than a king he is an emperor, a position your Oba will not be able to make till eternity, I respect my Ooni with all my heart, but you Edo only respect their Oba with mouth, can you imagine of fool gregyboy who called his Oba a liar,shior,that shows that an average Edo knows that the Oba is quite useless in the modern world

Oni is a priest

Ideadoctor:
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according to you. ... lol. there are a lot of dreamers on nairaland

Like yourself

Ideadoctor:
The only Benin empire I know is Benin olosho empire stretching from Nigeria to Italy

The only fake king I know to have a woman divorce him is the Oni of Ife

Ideadoctor:
yeah, you are right we are northerner after all north is a geographical expression of direction not a tribe . . you fucking fool

You mean your Oni is a fucking fool

[quote author=Ideadoctor post=97088205][/quote]Trash, your Oni is a liar priest turned fake king. A mere priest lol

Ideadoctor:
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Ooni is a king and also a priest because he absorbs the role of oduduwa as a king and and also the custodian of culture, rituals and traditions, that is why pre- colonial period Obas of Benin accorded much respect to the house of oduduwa, informing ife about all religious and political decisions and seeking permission to take some actions .. . so the Op is partially but not totally right

Oni is a mere priest, Alafin remains his king, Ọba remains his Emperor

Ideadoctor:
your IQ is very low, if not you would have known by now that Yoruba's in kwara are not always Muslim and not northerner.... prominent Yoruba people from kwara are Dbanj, dunsin oyekan( a Christian), Femi Adebayo and so on,do these people look like northerners to you,? hatred and tribalism had fried your sense of judgment, your comments whenever I read them sounds immature, I even wonder you age because you sound very immature

Kwara people are now officially Northerners, get used to it

Pierocash:
Nobody cares, as of today, it is a first class kingstool. Change is constant.Okay

Good you know he's a common priest

Etrusen:
the original owners of oguta are the Binis .

Am just hearing that name, I will do a little more research on that.
If they accept being Benins they're welcome but of they prefer to be identified as Igbos no prob

Oni was the chief priest of Ifa from the beginning before Awolowo changed Ooni priesthood into kingship. The ultimate king of Yoruba is Alaffi of Oyo.
The same position of Ooni was the position of Ogiefa of Benin, Ogiefa was the diviners and priest of Efa as Onni is priest of Ifa. Benin call it Efa, Urhobo call it Efa, Igbo call it Afa too, Yoruba call it Ifa.
#Photospeak.

TAO11 Oya come and start wailing

Etrusen
samuk
AreaFada2
gregyboy
Etinosa1234

gregyboy:
Those two confrenity are foreign elements to the edos and was brought to the edo people from the yoruba areas During the colonial rule

It is to be noted that it is not historical or to be associated with Oronmiyan myth or that of oduduwa introduction, it origin in edo was in the 40s, during the former western region rule over the edo and delta province , it was a form of political association back then and there was need for political elite to belong



If you're still an ifa or ogboni worship in benin know this

Olokun and ayelala are benin owned worship


RedboneSmith
TAO11
Balogunodua
Newton
Gomojam
DonCandido
Ideadoctor

100%

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TAO11:
Well,

I never believed your Bini lies,

Your Bini brothers did.

Now you know the dumbos, don’t you?

Thanks for admitting that you’ve been peddling Bini lies.

And you have been dumb

TAO11:
@ the bolded is more like: believe our Bini lies if you know you’re dumb.

Dumb like Tao

Ideadoctor:
small small children, saying it the way they understand it

Let the big children come and explain

Etinosa1234:
Now as it is, it seems that my Yoruba friend obviously has no facts concerning the treaty he keeps shouting about. But must we keep being in the dark abt a treaty our friend here doesn’t know about?
As it stands, unless proven otherwise, of all the Europeans who visited benin city, there is no account that makes mention of a superior king in benin kingdom apart from the Omo n’oba n’edo. This casts first doubt at the spurious claims made by a certain Richard Arisco Osemwingie who parades himself as the ogiamen.
When the Europeans first came to benin,they were brought to the oba of benin who was perceived by all as the king and the owner of all the land. They were NOT brought to the ogiamen who himself resides in benin kingdom. This squashes the weak claim that the ogiamen is the superior of the land. When an prominent or international person visits a place, their first visit is the ruler of the land visited. From Ewuare who was visited by the first Portuguese explorer Ruy Sequeira in 1472 to the Ralph Moor who led the benin invasion. They all noted the Oba of benin as the superior leader of the land. Not a fake person that claims to be collecting rent and was satisfied with it for 800+ years. An early European account that talks about how the oba of benin is powerful says

The oba is so powerful that he can amass up to 10,000 soldiers in a day… This shows how powerful the oba was compared to a chief who is just trying to seek relevance today by claiming to have collected rent from the oba

Having debunked the first claim of the ogiamen being a superior to the oba of which he isn’t, we move to the next point to be broken
Now the first time the word ekiokpagha was heard was in Jacob Egharevba’s book titled “Short history of Benin” where he writes

^{The ogiamen was pursued and defeated at Ekiokpagha where he surrendered and made peace with the oba}

The build-up to this story was that prior to the coming of oranmiyan, Evian son of Eholo Nire was made an administrator of benin kingdom. When he got old, he tried to install his son Ogiamen Erebo as king. This angered the chiefs who went to ife to bring oranmiyan. Oranmiyan came and left his child eweka.
When Eweka came of age, he was made king by the uzama nihiron. This angered ogiamen who raised up an army to fight against the king. He lost, surrendered and made peace with the king. There is no other conflicting accounts other than the ones the liars are throwing around for the gullible ones like u to believe.
Point no 2; Debunked!!!!!!

Now we move to the next point.

In Benin, before the use of surnames in Africa, the benin had a way of tracing family lineage and origin. This was the use of family greeting .It was said to have been started by Ogiso Ogbomo
Every indigenous benin family have their own peculiar greeting. The ogiso descendants greet delaiso. The ogiamen greet laire (this shows they are descendants of eholo nire). The Iyase family greet lavbieze, The ero family greet lamosun, the Obas descendants greet lamogun and so on. So when u want to lie that the oba is surpressing the aborigines,u would have to tell us the difference between the aborigines and the foreigners in benin kingdom since u tend to believe in your stupidity cum ignorance.
Also, this family greeting have also come to point out that the Ogiamen is not a direct descendant of the Ogisos as opposed to what u believed mischievously.

Now having debunked another of ur weak claim as to who are the aborigines of benin, we move to the next lie

According to false claim by Richard the fake ogiamen, we get to the point where he said that the treaty put a demarcation on benin land at Ekiopagha while collecting rent from the leased land. The first question a sane mind will ask is

a) if the land sold was benin land, what was extent of the remaining land not sold thereby under ogiamen influence?

b)Are there any accounts oral or written abt the history of the ogiamen kingdom?

Sadly the answers to the question is simply weak, non-existent and false.
Presently, the ogiamen doesn’t have influence in their area in sakponba road talk less of the benin kingdom at large unlike the oba of benin… This trashes another weak claim that there was ever a demarcation at benin land

Now having said all this, how do they intend to sanction the oba for not obeying a false and non-existent treaty?.. maybe jneutron from far away osogbo can help lmao
Jneutron4000 u can call a friend if you wish

Valirex samuk areafada2 etrusen gregyboy

Bros I hail, you finish that boy like a child

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jneutron4000:
Oh so you are not making any claim about the gods, but am sure you do know the Benins are claiming those gods as part of their heritage. Anyways it obvious you can not formulate any falsehood regarding Sango and the rest as that will be a case of conspiracy gone too far.
Since your conspiracy is based on the narrative to suit your rights over the Ogiamens/ Ogisos descendant in Edo state, well the Oba will continue doing what it takes to keep suppressing Ogiamen/Ogiso and hoping to keep getting the backup power that be in Nigeria, we go just relax they watch as the film plays on. with the whole argument, it now even seems as if am fighting for the Ogisos/Ogiamen. Ekiokpagha treaty will always stand as a preference to debunk any conspiracy of Ekaladerhan turned Oduduwa. Only link of Ile Ife to the land Idu/Igodomigodo is Oranmiyan, the Ekiokpagha treaty is like a peace deal that ushered in a peaceful coexistence between the Oba dynasty and the Idu/Igodomigodo Aborigines where you have the Ogisos/Ogiamens.

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Total nonsense, your over lords should create a university for teaching the TOTAL SUBJECTION OF AFONJAS

gregyboy:
Instead of finding someone to debate me, why not you yourself go on a thorough research on benin, history read old documents instead new documents, read benin history like you carrying research on it,

Like you're about to make a book on the entire benin history i tell you in few months time you will find what youre looking for and inturn you would be a scholar yourself


I read everyday and i drop everyday old knowledge everytime to accommodate new ones

I want the best for my brothers and edo people at
Large.....

Dont blike the people who laughed at Noah, instead be the noah, and let the people laugh at you, for the end they will join you in celebration

1. My loyalty is sworn to the Ọba, Aiguọbasimwen

2. I have read and heard tales of the story.

3. Olugbo of Ugbo has confirmed it. That's a Yoruba king that doesn't see the Ooni of a priest Higher than himself

4. I will simply debunk your claim and expose it. One of such claim is that Oba Erediauwa of blessed memory concocted the Ekelederan story whereas R E Bradbury in his field works in Benin from 1951-52 recorded the story of Ekelederan turned Oduduwa in his series: field notes Benin city and which is currently at the university of Birmingham. Publications from the likes of chief D U Edebiri, prince Edun Akenzua and Air Iyare in 70s on Ekelederan turned Oduduwa provoked the Yoruba historian Akinola and prompted him to undergo a fact finding mission in Benin which led to his publication titled the Origin of the Ewekas dynasty of Benin in 1976 and in page 28, 29, 34 of the book, him been Yoruba he did all he could to discredit the publications by chief Edebiri, prince Edun Akenzua, and Air Iyare including accusing them of shifting the goal post, and in trying to discredit Benins version he even went as far as putting words in the mouth of Oba Akenzua11 whom it's clear he never met but claimed that he met him and that claimed he told him what the Ihama of Ihogbe in Benin told him that Ekelederan is Ododuwa but that the Oba was suprise and asked him who told you that. But the fact remains that the Ihama of Ihogbe identified Oduduwa as Ekelederan but Akinolas pride and sentiments wouldn't let him investigate further but rather outrightly dismiss it even if it means to lie. And all these was even before the 80s.

samuk:
History of Onitsha by Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe.


Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Genealogy and Nativity

"Thus, in tracing my paternal lineage, I could say that both parents of my father are direct descendants of Eze Chima. As for me, I can trace my paternal ancestry in this wise: I am the first son of Chukwuemeka, who was the third child and first son of Azikiwe, who was the second son of Molokwu, who was the third son of Ozomaocha, who was the second son of Inosi Onira, who was the fourth son of Dei, the second son of Eze Chima, the founder of Onitsha." SOURCE - Nnamdi A zikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p4 "I can trace my maternal ancestry thus: I am the first son of Nwanonaku Rachel Chinwe Ogbenyeanu (Aghadiuno)Azikiwe, who was third daughter of Aghadiuno Ajie, the fifth son of Onowu Agbani, first daughter of Obi Udokwu, the son who descended from five Kings of Onitsha. Five of these rulers of Onitsha were direct lineal descendants of Eze Chima, who led his warrior adventurers when they left Benin to establish the Onitsha city state in about 1748 AD." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity" p5 "One day I asked her (grandmother) the meaning of the word 'Onitsha'. She explained that it had historical significance. The terminology meant one who despised another. It is a contraction of two words, Onini to despise, and Ncha meaning others. So that the two words when joined together mean one who despises others. Then I asked her why we despised others. She patted me on the back and told me that it was due to our aristocratic background and tradition. I insisted that she should explain to me the basis of this supercilious social attitude. She told me that we despised others because we descended from the Royal House of Benin and so regarded ourselves as the superiors of other tribes who had no royal blood in their veins....." "I continued to belabor my grandmother to tell me more of the history and origins of the Onitsha people. She narrated that many many years ago, there lived at Idu (Benin) a great Oba who had many children. Due to a power struggle regarding the right of precedence among princes of the blood and other altercations, there was a civil war in Benin. One day, the supporters of one of the princes insulted and assaulted Queen Asije, the mother of of the Oba of Benin, who was accused of having trespassed on their farmland. Enraged at this evidence of indiscipline and lawlessness, the Oba ordered his war chief and brother, Gbunwala Asije to apprehend and punish the insurgents. In the attempt to penalise them, Chima, the ultimate founder of the Onitsha city-state, a prince of the blood in his own right, led the recalcitrants against his Uncle, Gbunwala[b]. This intensified the civil war which rent the kingdom of Benin in two and led to the founding of Onitsha Ado N'Idu[/b]....... ..." "As the great trek from Benin progressed, some did not have the stout heart of the pioneer-warrior, and decided to settle at different places, known today as Onitsha -Ugbo, Onitsha-Olona, Onitsha-Mili, Obior, Issele Ukwu, Ossomari, Aboh, etc..." SOURCE - Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) "My Genealogy and Nativity"

Tell that Dumbo who knows nothing

gregyboy:
You guys are really intellectually lazy to even know your history not to say that of your opponent


The orun oba ado was fabricated this century,

In the myth ife was to know edo as Igodomigodo not ado which is a corrupt form as edo

According to the myth also edo came centuries after the oba dynasties have been enacted, it came during eware reign which was 1400,few years before the arrival of the Portuguese


Possibilities, if the connection between benin-ife was also present at that time, then the Portuguese and the various European would have seen relics of that relationship,


You guys are debating made up shit, and your ego wont let you accept or make a research

I drop my pen

Samuk

Bro if there was a Benin Royal prison I would have recommended you for it .
You are funny sha, hit me up let me link you with someone who can debate this with you properly.
Anyways sha I still love you as my brother, runda ọkpa makhin

Ideadoctor:
Yorubas are coward and they conquered igodomido and name it Benin, yorubas are coward and they made slaves of your anscenstors,Yorubas are coward they defeated the Fulani at Oshogbo and ended the jihad,Yorubas are coward and ogedengbe of ijesha threatened Benin and the whole chiefs had sleepless night looking for a way to appease him,Yoruba's are coward chief mko Abiola took risk and confronted abacha the tyrant, even though it cost him his life, Yoruba are coward they stood their ground and prevented the Igbo's from taking an inch of their land at ore,even though Benin city has been overrun by biafrans ,I can continue to mention things Yoruba's has achieved by their guts,amotekun included,so now who is the Coward,? Edo people are fucking cowards all they now how to do is Bleep,they can Bleep any type of penis, yorubas are your lord they aint cowards, Yoruba's are no body slaves they are not aggressive but they want respect, they are civilized,but if you overstep your boundary they are brutal, Benin cowards should beware

Lol I like this your brutal, you fit com sapkonba road con brutal there abeg?
I wan see something from a Yoruba Dumbo

jneutron4000:
[s][/s]Kabiyesi was never established in Ilorin before by the founding fathers but one thing is certain that Oba of Benin will soon be banished along side with his Ile binu mix blood, of course Yoruba land is closed for any ile ibinu mixed blood , I hope Cameroon will accept the ile ibinu mixed refugee though when that time comes Ogiso on the rise

Those over lords even went as far as Oyo and imposed Sarki in Oyo your priest of an Ooni could not do shit nor could that your bleaching Alafin do shit lol

TAO11:
I don’t know why. Yoruba chiefs should know better!

Yes I think I will have to ask those Dumbos

jneutron4000:
[s][/s]hahaha even for Ilorin where Fulanis get emir, our ways too solid for them to crack Despite pushing cows around being the Fulanis ways of life, the ones for Ilorin dey get sense and them dey good school to get educated all thanks to the Yorubas in Ilorin, If Nigeria breaks today, our Yoruba Muslims and the mix blood with Fulani for Ilorin go develop Ilorin to be just like UAE,Qatar or Bahrain proper Muslim state but your Edo land for there, Ogiso go banish your Oba, this time around he no go be Calabar but Cameroon

Those Fulani over lords them no wan give una chance, no more Kabiyesi for Kwara

jneutron4000:
[s][/s]hahaha ok o make we continue na to see who the thing dey affect most Monkey Faze dey there dey give your Oba online uppercut everyday to the extent shame no dey gree make Oba of Benin fit come out from him hide out he call palace for we own side, we stand kakaraka, let us keep opening the history book, and see if the Idu/Igodomigodo children no go stone Oba of Benin one day

Abi na make we continue, your Fulani over lords dey put Sarki of Fulani every where for Yoruba land fear no dey allow una talk about am.
No forget say una don loose Kwara to the Fulanis, abeg those una over Lords too much
Lol my guy history sweet oo make we continue the stone throwing

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jneutron4000:
Tell your brothers for social media such as Facebook and YouTube with the name such as great Benin emancipation, great Benin descendants etc to stop calling Yoruba in there stupid videos. Ww noticed the propaganda the IPOB sponsored against them under the name of Igodomigodo biafra really got to them and gave the Oba of Benin sleepless night, rather for the idiots to channel their response back to the propaganda against your Oba, the idiots started putting their stupid month into Yoruba history. We go open book for Una since una think say na una sabi talk. Make Una stay Una lane

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Lol why you dey tell me , with all this nonsense you wrote it's seems they are hitting you lots where it hurts. I will be sending a screenshot of this to them to carry on

mythbuster99999:
if the truth insults you, then you have trouble facing reality. It is a fact that you guys, most of you, in nigeria irrespective of tribe are illiterates in history.

Alright, you can as well go and argue with your literates. ITK

mythbuster99999:
Where is the name ogiso written in those terracotta ?

I will answer this if you answer this question, what's your tribe?

mythbuster99999:
I don't get your point. I don't see how what you just said is in any way relevant to the conversation.
there obviously is a great intellectual gap between europe and nigeria.

How will you call someone an illiterate in his/her own history simply because the person doesn't want to agree with your revisionist idea you call history.
That's insulting

mythbuster99999:
benin history started when the first surviving document about Benin written by an eyewitness was written. That is not 40 BC.
You guys in nigeria are illiterates in history. this includes your proffessors of history. Such a level of backwardness is a big disgrace, it feels like nigeria is intellectually where europe was several hundred years ago.

I can be rational and I can be irrational, the side you see is the one you ask for.

mythbuster99999:
What exactly won't work ?

Me trying to show you by example that people servicing a shrine does not translate to historical facts or me servicing a bugsbunny shrine ?

Information is a thing. How does information A go from the year 1200's to our current era ?
How many important events do you think happened in those 800 years ? Why would these particular extremely precised (even with several names: oduduwa, oranmiyan, ogiso...) information have travelled through more than 800 years while you basically know nothing which supposedly happened before or after (I trust some other story tellers are working on more myths to fill the blank).

Information is like a bag of rice, it doesn't just walk into your doorstep, it needs to be transported:

Documents written by eyewitnesses are the only vehicle to transport information through time in a period with no video !

To understand the concept of history, you guys should watch how egyptologs work and how specialists in european history work. To be frank, most nigerians are illiterates in history. You guys don't know it, but you are terrible at history.

Ọba of Benin recorded their history in Brass and the Ogiso recorded theirs in terracotta. All of this can be found in the British Museum. Bro have a rethink, our history is well recorded a little Google research will give you peace