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acidosis™:
Lokoja is worse.. Drivers now have to settle boys with 2k to help move vehicles. . .The situation is so bad..

Countryman93: This is the number 1 reason why i think the NLC got it wrong on subsidy withdrawal. There was no need opposing it in the first instance if the reversal was not going to be full.
This halfway measure is more fatal to Nigerians. It could have been better if they even allowed government to have their way and let's hold them into account for their promises.
Besides,retaining subsidy regime continues to give room for corruption in subsidy payments and stalling the growth of private refineries in Nigeria.
The subsidy regime also encourages the oil marketers to hold Nigeria to ransome. We are almost paying the dreaded pump price under the subsidy regime.

Okija_juju: I have to give it up to you!! You really gave me a good intellectual run.. But still the bible does not command Christians to be violent even remotely.. The closest you would have come to disputing this would have been

Matthew 11: 12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

But even this passage was in the context of the past.. emphasis on 'IN THE DAYS OF JOHN THE BAPTIST'.. We are not living in the days of John the Baptist anymore.. Nor in the era of Kings like David, or the Era of Prophets like Elijah.. THIS is the 21st fhucking century... Even Animals have rights now..

You tried, but still you have again failed..

ISLAM and VIOLENCE are synonymous..

_{[b]This is a starving Somali man.. No food, sick, but he can afford an AK-47 of approximately 300 USD..}
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_{MUSLIMS Praying, before setting out to kill in the Name of Allah...}

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_{Average cost of AK-47 rifles on the black market..}

Akiika: THANK YOU FOR TRYING TO MAKE ISLAM LOOK LIKE A RELIGION OF PEACE... HOWEVER, you FAILED!! WOEFULLY!![b]Ok Boss, but it is what it is...you unfortutanely have control over only your opinion

I may backbite, lie, cheat, give bribe, but atleast I am not a cold hearted savage killer (?).. Muslims have a penchant for blood. (based on your dogmatic belief)
Preferably that of Americans and Isrealis.. Where they cant find any of these two, they settle for the nearest Christian they can find..and you're still alive, look around you and count how many muslims you interact with daily.......Interesting that you're going into world politics...Do you know how many Muslims America killed in Iraq for a non-existent WMD, do you know how many Palestines Israel kills daily? MURDER is the ultimate sin.. You can confess a lie, pay penance for bribery, corruption and backbiting.. BUT you cant raise a dead man.

Then the next thing, you decided to blame it on the government.. NOW! Is it only muslims that the inadequacies and corruption of the government affacts?! Or are you saying that Islam isnt the trigger for their killing spree and blood thirst?! Everybody around the world feels the pain of bad government irrespective of Religion, Color, Race, Tribe, Ethinicity, Tongue or social divide.. BUT ONLY MUSLIMS KILL, MAIM and DESTROY lives and PROPERTIES ....why hasn't any muslim in the more educated southern Nigeria kill christians as the extremists does in in the North?...interesting to know that only muslims kill!


You accused us of being intolerant.. You are worng, we are intolerant of only ISLAM.. Islam has killed more people than Christianity, Hindu, Buddist, Krishnas, Scientologists, Shintoism, Judaism, Bahai fath, Jehovahs Witnesses, Grail Messengers, Eckankar, Cherubim & Sepraphim, Native Doctors, Rastafarians, put together.. So I think its only natural for us all to be intolerant of Islam....good, at least you now agree that christians have killed too...so should we judge christianity based on those people's actions?

You asked that "if the religion is so bad, why do people join?"... Cigarette is bad for your health and kills you, yet everyday more people take up smoking.. Thats sort of how Islam is.. Its like cigarette..bad analogy, makes no sense


You asked if there are no violent verses in the bible... NO verse in the bible expressly commands followers to butcher non-believers.. I can excuse your chosen ignorance of other religions...but should i call you an hypocrite for failing to know the numerous violent biblical verses too?:

When you approach a city to fight against it, you shall offer it terms of peace. If it agrees to make peace with you and opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall become your forced labor and shall serve you. However, if it does not make peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it. When the LORD your God gives it into your hand, you shall strike all the men in it with the edge of the sword. Only the women and the children and the animals and all that is in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourself; and you shall use the spoil of your enemies which the LORD your God has given you. Only in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes” (Deutronomy 20:10-17)

“Hymenaeus and Alexander I have delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.” 1 Timothy 1:20

“This day the LORD will deliver you into my hand, and I will strike you down, and cut off your head; and I will give the dead bodies of the host of the Philistines this day to the birds of the air and to the wild beasts of the earth; that all the earth may know that there is a God in Israel, Then David ran and stood over the Philistine, and took his sword and drew it out of its sheath, and killed him, and cut off his head with it…. And David took the head of the Philistine and brought it to Jerusalem; but he put his armor in his tent. And as David returned from the slaughter of the Philistine, Abner took him, and brought him before Saul with the head of the Philistine in his hand.” 1 Samuel 17:46

“Then Abishai the son of Zeruiah said to the king, “Why should this dead dog curse my lord the king? Let me go over and take off his head.”... And there is also with you Shimei the son of Gera, the Benjaminite from Bahurim, who cursed me with a grievous curse on the day when I went to Mahanaim; but when he came down to meet me at the Jordan, I swore to him by the LORD, saying, I will not put you to death with the sword.’ Now therefore hold him not guiltless, for you are a wise man; you will know what you ought to do to him, and you shall bring his gray head down with blood to Sheol.” 2 Samuel 16:9, 1 Kings 2:8

” When they came into the house, as he lay on his bed in his bedchamber, they smote him, and slew him, and beheaded him. They took his head, and went by the way of the Arabah all night, and brought the head of Ishbosheth to David at Hebron. And they said to the king, “Here is the head of Ishbosheth, the son of Saul, your enemy, who sought your life; the LORD has avenged my lord the king this day on Saul and on his offspring.” 2 Samuel 4:7

“That is not true. But a man of the hill country of Ephraim, called Sheba the son of Bichri, has lifted up his hand against King David; give up him alone, and I will withdraw from the city.” And the woman said to Joab, “Behold, his head shall be thrown to you over the wall.” Then the woman went to all the people in her wisdom. And they cut off the head of Sheba the son of Bichri, and threw it out to Joab.” 2 Samuel 20:21

“at Jezreel by this time tommorrow…And when the letter came to them, they took the king’s sons, and slew them, seventy persons, and put their heads in baskets, and sent them to him at Jezreel. When the messenger came and told him, “They have brought the heads of the king’s sons,” he said, “Lay them in two heaps at the entrance of the gate until the morning.”. (2 Kings Chapter 10 verse 6) “God has now fulfilled the prophecy of the prophet Elijah. So Jehu put to death all who were left of the house of Ahab in Jezreel, as well as all of his close friends and priests, until he had left not one single survivor.” (2 Kings Chapter 10 verse 10) “He put to death all of Ahab’s house, who were left there and so blotted it out, in fulfillment of the word which YAHWEH had spoken to Elijah.” (2 Kings Chapter 10 verse 7)

“When the LORD your God brings you into the land where you are entering to possess it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you. And when the LORD your God delivers them before you and you defeat them, then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them and show no favor to them.” (Deutronomy 7:1-2)

“I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence.” (Luke 19:26-27)

“Do not think that I have come to send peace on earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword. I am sent to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law” (Matthew 10:34-35)

I will send my fear before thee, and will destroy all the people to whom thou shalt come, and I will make all thine enemies turn their backs unto thee.Ӕ (Exodus 23:27)

And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. At God’s instructions, the Israelites “utterly destroyed the men, women, and the little ones” leaving “none to remain.” 2:34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. (Deuteronomy 2:33-36)

Joshua said to the people of Israel, “The Lord has given you the city of the all silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the Lord: They shall come into the treasury of the Lord. The people utterly DESTROYED ALL THAT WAS IN THE CITY, BOTH MAN AND WOMAN,YOUNG AND OLD, AND OX AND SHEEP, AND ASS, WITH THE EDGE OF THE SWORD. (Joshua 6:21,23)

“And he should go and worship other gods and bow down to them or to the sun or the moon or all the army of the heavens, .....and you must stone such one with stones and such one must die.” Deuteronomy 17:3-5

“Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.” (Romans 1:20-32)

“Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.” (Numbers 31:17-18)

Deuteronomy 2:34-35; 3:6-7; Josh. 6:17; 8:2, 24-28; 10:28-40; 11:14, 13:12-18; 20:10-18 all call for the total annihilation of the enemy - men, women, and children. Genesis 34; Judges 3:12-20; 4-5; 14-15; 19-21; Esther 8-9 can all be read to encourage guerilla warfare.


You said Allah condemns violence, yet your Quoran is filled with over 20 verses that encourages you to kill unbelievers.. here is one of my favorite verses Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…".. you mean 2:190: Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.



You dont believe anyone should resort to violence and yet you call yourself a Muslim.. What hypocrisy.. Your religion calls you an Infidel, and you will rot in hell for not fighting in the name of Allah... where?...because your Q quote didn't say that Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.
.... The Qur'an commands Muslims to stick up for themselves in a defensive battle -- i.e. if an enemy army attacks, then Muslims are to fight against that army until they stop their aggression. All of the verses that speak about fighting/war in the Qur'an are in this context.
There are some specific verses that are very often "snipped" out of context, either by critics of Islam discussing "jihadism," or by misguided Muslims themselves who wish to justify their aggressive tactics.

"Slay Them" - If They Attack You First
For example, one verse (in its snipped version) reads: "slay them wherever you catch them" (Qur'an 2:191). But who is this referring to? Who are "they" that this verse discusses? The preceding and following verses give the correct context:
"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter, But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful, If they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression" (2:190-193).
It is clear from the context that these verses are discussing a defensive war, when a Muslim community is attacked without reason, oppressed and prevented from practicing their faith. In these circumstances, permission is given to fight back -- but even then Muslims are instructed not to transgress limits, and to cease fighting as soon as the attacker gives up. Even in these circumstances, Muslim are only to fight directly against those who are attacking them, not innocent bystanders or non-combatants.


"Fight the Pagans" - If They Break Treaties
A similar verse can be found in chapter 9, verse 5 -- which in its snipped, out of context version could read: "fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)." Again, the preceding and following verses give the context.
This verse was revealed during a historical period when the small Muslim community had entered into treaties with neighboring tribes (Jewish, Christian, and pagan). Several of the pagan tribes had violated the terms of their treaty, secretly aiding an enemy attack against the Muslim community. The verse directly before this one instructs the Muslims to continue to honor treaties with anyone who has not since betrayed them, because fulfilling agreements is considered a righteous action. Then the verse continues, that those who have violated the terms of the treaty have declared war, so fight them, (as quoted above).

Directly after this permission to fight, the same verse continues, "but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them, for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." The subsequent verses instruct the Muslims to grant asylum to any member of the pagan tribe/army who asks for it, and again reminds that "as long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for God loves the righteous."


Conclusion
Any verse that is quoted out of context misses the whole point of the message of the Qur'an. Nowhere in the Qur'an can be found support for indiscriminate slaughter, the killing of non-combatants, or murder of innocent persons in 'payback' for another people's alleged crimes.
The Islamic teachings on this subject can be summed up in the following verses (Qur'an 60:7-:
"It may be that God will grant love (and friendship) between you and those whom ye (now) hold as enemies. For God has power (over all things), and God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
God does not forbid you, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God loves those who are just."

...So, by your standard, good muslims are the violent ones? choose what you want to believe bro...One undisputable fact in life is...It is good to be good. You can rant and whine all you want about other people's belief, but it won't change anything. There are only good and bad people in this world...it ain't nothing about religion.





_{You are the worst Muslim I have ever met.. You are unfit for Paradise and virgins..}[/b]

So u guyz actually believe in this "77 virgins" nonsense? There is no "PRANKING" in Heaven or hell o, dont be deceived.

eyantotipe: THESE ARE THE LANGUAGE OF BOKO HARAMIST'''1 NOTED HERE'''

Garri_is_back: Of course how can you be right when you have a garden egg in your skull instead of a brain...Telling you to be right will be asking for toooo much...

Murderer!!!

Garri_is_back: https://www.magnifiedview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Islamic-Terrorists-Fanatics.jpg


This statement is the joke of the century...Bunch of Hypocrites...Nonsense...

free2ryhme: http://www.channelstv.com/home/2012/09/24/muslims-demonstrate-against-anti-islam-movie-in-kaduna/

TRAGIC!!! Take a look at the second pic. Islam breeds terrorists from childhood/ from the womb, not only from their friday prayers in the mosques. Such "BEAUTIFUL LIL' DEMONS!".

chimuchi: love ur neighbour as urself. hmmm

gragra boy: i doubt if up to 5% of those protesting even saw the youtube video, even if they did they might not even understand what is being said.

Akwenuke marho: I read this MI's piece about rick ross's hold me back video, on linda ikeji's blog last night, ol'boy u need to see people's comments, they were just castigating MI, saying he was this and that, most of them did'nt even understand what the "short boy was trying to say", I love d video, and I commend MI for speaking up, we are charlatans, we see these things everyday, but we behave as if it ain't real, and then a foreigner comes to open our eyes and we are abusing him, this shows that Nigeria is'nt ready for change, no wonder they say Nigerians are suffering and smiling, smh, I wish fela was alive,

tunspider: This is one of the mistake's most people make, Christianity is not a religion, it's a way of life layed down by Jesus Christ, it's the path to freedom and until you accept Him as your Lord and personal Saviour, you will continue to be offended when someone blaspheme Him (That's what the muslims do, no offence just a statement of fact).
You don't expect Christians to react since they follow the biblical injuction which says "follow peace with all men", they don't care what you say cos' they won't defend GOD.

carefulme: AND THE SIMPLE QUESTION FOLLOWS....

.....WHY WAS IT A MUST?

KINGwax: i biliv u knw exactly wot u practice, your prophet was all abt kill kill kill the infidels!

holly-pagan:
Christianity is not a violence religion,so we dnt care we know the truth in bible

Dudu_Negro: If saying so is blasphemous, yes Christians should be offended. Is it a blasphemy? Moreover this is released by fellow Jesus followers. You will never hear Muslims blaspheme the person of Jesus....never!

Dudu_Negro: If saying so is blasphemous, yes Christians should be offended. Is it a blasphemy? Moreover this is released by fellow Jesus followers. You will never hear Muslims blaspheme the person of Jesus....never!

stepo707: Matt 5:44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you.

It happens that satan happens to be our enemy.So guys what do you think?

fynejess: I saw this cartoon and it dawned on me that we might just as well queue up with buckets and basins to pack our coins from the Coin dispensing ATM machines we were promised.

See the cartoon to help with the visualisation... click here
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http://jess2-chinwe..com/2012/09/cartoon-of-day-how-we-would-pack-our.html

The guy packing the coins, looks like he just won a lottery.

kandiikane: Ì. Smoked it before to help me revise once and it helped. I remembered everything I read.

U sure Me thinks you even failed woefully. U must be mistaking.

KingMEXX: Thank God yur nt FG. We for don suffer for yur hand

nkem Kalu: U got the gist right and i am not twisting ur words but the fact remains that ICJ was right in their decision and Cameron cannot be blamed either. Our then Nigerian government shot themselves on the leg and i will not blame the Bakassi guys if they go violent. Today, Ogoni is seeking for republic, Arewa wants an Islamic state thru BOKO HARAM, Bakasi already is at it, Yorubas needs and are asking for ODUDUWA republic......IGBOS needs Biafra, and my question remains simple....."WHO NEEDS THIS NIGERIAN NATION BADLY" YOUR CURRENT PRESIDENT IS SITTING AND PRETENDING NOTHING IS HAPPENING COS HE WANTS TO ENJOY THE BEAUTY OF THE OFFICE OF A PRESIDENT FORGETTING THAT IT WILL SOON BE OVER FOR HIM, BUT HIS COMPATRIOTS IN BAYELSA ARE BUSY DESIGNING FLAGS OF INDEPENDENCE. WHO IS FOOLING WHO? CANT'T WE FOR ONCE SALUTE THE VISION AND COURAGE OF OJUKWU AND DO THE RIGHT THING?

nkem Kalu: Please read the genesis of this problem before u can tell whether it is fair or not. It is ur government that created the problem in the first place.

icydoc: Nigeria is gradually turning into a failed state.that's if we r not there yet.we need to take such comment serious to avoid sectarian violence n a possible disintegration.