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budaatum:
Some call it Monism, by the way, the "Everything that you can sense and yet not sense is an expression of God" . Amerindians also believed in the divine unity of everything, as did the Aborigines, the Amazonians, and quite a few others.

Judaism introduced the same idea with their 'God', until priests got hold of it and placed themselves between humans and their psyche. It is not some external entity that spoke to Adam in the garden, but the unconsciousness (as it was at the time) in the human which is projected outside ones own being when initially discovered. The serpent is simply the negative aspect of that same psyche, negative in Judaism. It is the idea being conveyed in the Book of Proverbs, where Sophia is given a voice.

Jesus symbolises the same idea, being the embodiment of the "will" in the human being, except by his time it had become the consciousness, as in humans were more conscious of it. It is the entire meaning of the expression "Seek ye first the Kingdom of God". He goes further and tells you where to seek it: "The Kingdom of God is within you" and "Know ye not that ye are gods?, in an attempt to resolve this split and unite the psyche with the 'self'. This same concept is later established in the form of the Holy Spirit that ministers to one. But religion had so much got in the way that they made an external God out of it, tagged it on to the almighty and placed it apart from the person and far away up in heaven.

It is what Christianity expresses in the idea of the Trinity, but which Christians think means the literal "Father, Son, and Holy Ghost", rather comically! When it is said, "seek, and you shall find", it is the realisation of this idea that one is supposed to be looking for, the "unity of all in the concept called God" as embodied in the human being".

Mohammed, in Islam, also discovered the same idea. It is the realisation of an aspect that appears separate from the self that we now read as coming from God through the Angel Gabriel. His struggle (Jihad), in accepting the first encounter with his psyche as his consciousness meeting his unconsciousness is established in the narrative of the Angel telling him to "recite", a struggle that lasted years but which is presented as an act that took a couple of minutes. The rituals in Islam are meant to lead one to this discovery! Their consciousness and unconsciousness has become Allah, and Mohammed is the one who literally makes one aware of it.

The Four Noble Truths - abandoning your Tanhās, and replacing them with Chanda - is the first step in the million or so on the journey to the realisation of Nirvana. Jesus expressed the same sentiment when he told you where not to store up your wealth, advising against the wrong sort of wealth. Nirvana is not someplace like some think heaven is, but a state of bliss that comes after arriving at the destination of knowing that you are God. A realisation that upon encountering, makes some feel so much sorrow for ones fellow beings that one does not enter the Nirvana one has sought for all ones life, but goes down to hell where humans are suffering in an attempt to save them, because "In as much as one does for all those whom one sees, one has done for one's God whom one sees not"!

Jung called it the Shadow. His work on the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_%28psychology%29?wprov=sfla1]Individuation[/url] dealt with this dual idea of the human being. He wrote extensively how the lack of resolution appears as a mental illness even in societies. And went on past the Trinity, as discovered by the West, and added a fourth aspect to form the Quarternity signifying completeness.


Say "I don't understand as much as you want!" I understand it's what people say when they themselves are limited in their own understandings, or when one is simply disagreeing with them, so I will ignore it henceforth or perhaps create a thread with that topic just so I can point people to it when they say "you don't understand"!

Buda does not agree that you vaxx, do not have the capability to understand buda if buda is clear enough. You are not stupid! If you ever don't understand buda, please note that it is because buda has not expressed herself clearly enough, and once you make buda aware, buda promises to always try harder to express buda clearer than buda might have done.

frank317:
He was perfectly dishonest with his reply. U will see him hobnobbing with sciencewatch, a Christian, who has a different view on the matter, but as long as both call and accept the word God, they are OK and friends. But what is the difference between the two? Both will say nothing but will quickly differentiate the two when u bring in an example from either side.

Vaxx, I will take u seriously the u come out open on what u think about christian belief... Do u think they are slaves to the white?
U asked Martin why he chose to be a slave by answer a white name but fail to ask sciencewatch why he chose to be a slave by following a white religion and doing white wedding and calling his African Gods powerless power.

frank317:
Ur topic was.... Where was orisha during slave trade?/how did they let it happen...

This suggests that orisha was expected to do something for humans.

How does this not teach that we should be dependable on them?

Calling human instinct and decision making the foundation of african spirituality is totally misleading. Human instinct is human instinct and not orisha. Humans must make decisions based on environmental circumstances or biological situation

If man suffering from malaria makes a choice, same man will not make same choice if he is not sick. I fail to see how this has anything to do with the Gods.

Why do traditionalists pray? What do they desire from a supposedly undependable God when they pray

tintingz:
What vaxx don't know is that he has limited his Gods to the point that they are useless.

tintingz:
In a nutshell the gods approved slavery?

The point I'm making is the black slaves that were sold by the wealthy people, aren't they believers in the gods, I thought the gods were very effective?

No wonder juju is useless.


What about Africans in general taken as slaves?

I still find it ridiculous to think our forefathers didn't do anything to protect thier lands from the white colonials.

For you to say war is mostly in terms of technicality shows juju is useless!

Just accept it and move on


I'm not talking about the practice of slaves trade, I'm talking how the gods were impotent and juju is useless.

Just accept this instead of giving ridiculous excuses.

Olodumare has no spiritual protection purpose, it's just a figurehead deity to put fear on ignorant people.

Many people have abadon the African Gods to a foreign God, it is fact.

Wether Olodumare reside in the sky or outside the universe or inside your head, the point is that, that God didn't do anything, even when the good people are crying for help.

Olodumare is an experience. Ok

The primary cause was the Gods didn't do anything to protect it people.

I even have more sense of protection than the Gods.

The question is what makes you think our forefathers didn't do anything?

The more you argue about this the more you make your Gods impotent.

So?

The blacks had no choice when the colonials came, either they accept the white culture or suffer and die.

Who were now the slaves?

Lol, ok. Mr microcosm.

budaatum:
I find this funny vaxx. You should read through what you write and consider how a reader might understand what you've written.


Take the above, a pertinent question. And now read the response to it below.



We agreed, as you've clearly stated in the extracts above that as far as Olodumare is concerned, that "we are the gods". So, in response to your question:

What difference does it make whether I blame the person or his Olodumare? Are they not one and the same person according to you? And if we, or us through our Olodumare, had done the following,

Surely we wouldn't have been enslaved! But because we failed to:


The whole idea of projecting an aspect of oneself unto an entity called Olodumare, Spirit, Chi, Psyche, can be seen to not be unique in Yoruba. The Igbos would go as far to say, "if I say 'yes', and my Chi says 'no', I would get another Chi!", a clear recognition of who is in charge here! It is called the conscious, and the unconscious, mind, vaxx. The you inside of you!

As to the following,


The atheist knows there is a consciousness and an unconsciousness to the mind. The atheist just knows who they belong to. The atheist goes further by not separating them from their own person. My conscious mind, and my unconscious mind, and hence my Olodumare, as you have used it above is all the same me. So if either is stupid enough to allow me to be enslaved, you can blame me, or my Olodumare, its the same, me, is my point here!

tintingz:
Yes but it's a different case when the white colonials came and the gods were impotent to do anything.

Most slaves captured in African kingdoms or tribe were results of tribal or clan wars(like you said) and the gods were behind them in the wars to victory.

The gods were always with the soldiers in the war, they make use of the gods power(juju) to protect and defend themselves

The Gods are said to strike and inform people about bad, unjust thing in the kingdom but suddenly the gods didn't do anything about the so-called chief, monarchs selling people as slaves to the foreigners, the gods believed by these prisoners are impotent to help them

Don't blame the people, they are not perfect, blame the Gods for thier failures to protect thier people, and the absurd part is the Gods fail to see that doing nothing to protect it people will make the people abadon them, and it actually happened!

Someone like ScienceWatch has abadon the Gods to a foreign deity

Oga, what's the purpose of Olodumare if he's the supreme God? Does he depends on humans before taking actions?

Because the African Gods failed the people.

This the negative consequences, many Africans have abadon the Gods.

You didn't see the absurdity in your argument all along.

Many blacks have abadon your Gods and even despise them, if the Gods had protect the people from the colonials, we would still believe in the Gods.

kkins25:
Another disappointing comment.
I was only using Christianity in place of African religion. Or are you implying that traditionalist too dont wait for God to rain money from the sky? Isnt that why traditionalist visit babalawos? Isnt that why they engage in animal and human sacrifice? Because God can suddenly put money in a calabash, or make a sacrificial victim vomit money?

Rockyrascal:
I think that's because most of its practices and fellowship gatherings are too fetish and diabolical.

JackBizzle:
Keep quiet. Your comment adds no sense to this thread.

kkins25:
you sir clearly didn't understand my own "proverb".At first one is told to "ask and it would be given", we've been made to believe that skydaddy is the one that would MIRACULOUSLY " make a way when seems to be no way". I dont need to visit the wiki page. I sure as hell understand what the phrase in question means, and clearly.
But do the typical Christian fellow who prays for 6hours straight, who dosent miss a single night vigil because he or she is hoping that the raffle-draw of God would show him luck..
Lets take my own mother for instance - she is church devoted. She does puts in thrice as much effort into church activities than she does to her business and she believes its going to church and serving God that would make her business boom.
Just yesterday one of her church member(an elder actually) prayed in our home and told me to serve God to avoid delay of my destiny(riches and wealth)

I keep asking myself, what the hell does serving God have to do with ones finances?
Hope you get my point sir?
There are rich and poor non Christians. So also are ther rich and poor Christians. There is absolutely no correlation between service to God and financial status of an individual. Dalaman, hopefullanlord, seun, Immorttal, timemachine, loj, iamgenius etc would agree with me when i say: Africa and arabia are all the proof i need to justify my statement... However im a seeker of truth nd open to your wisdom nd new understanding.

gasparpisciotta:
Jerry Rawlings has achieved more as a individual than the entire Fani-Kayode clan.

Victorclean1:
He is just misinformed about Nigeria situation. Buhari is doing a one sided kworoption fight and also Islamic agenda propagation

ogyunging:
I enjoy these type of posts.

Interesante.

Martinez19:
lol. I ask again why didn't the gods back the innocent and eliminate the greedy and treacherous blacks and white monsters?

ScienceWatch:
It has been firmly established that the Gods don't favour cowards. You correctly say that, "
Real African spirituality is not limited to mysticism only .It goes far beyond that . It involves how to deal with the real world with real responses. "

THE GODS DONT FAVOUR COWARDS. ONE MUST DIE FOR TRUTH.

ScienceWatch:
Yes he reminds me of criminal gangs, they operate from the same principle.
His weak attempts at using the distorted atheists logic is embarrassing to FSM.

ScienceWatch:
He does not have the mental ability to understand the concepts in the op.

Martinez19:
". How can an organism with a well developed brain posit that a tribe did nothing to help themselves? Even if a few were the only ones willing to fight, why weren't the gods behind them to eliminate the black traitors and white monsters? Oh, the gods are the side with more numbers and sophisticated weapons?

Martinez19:
"God helps those who help themselves" and "faith without works is dead" are the two most thoughtless statements given by idiots and/or crooked men to absolve god of any blame and responsibilities when it comes to unanswered prayers, failure and tragedy. How can an organism with a well developed brain posit that a tribe did nothing to help themselves? Even if a few were the only ones willing to fight, why weren't the gods behind them to eliminate the black traitors and white monsters? Oh, the gods are the side with more numbers and sophisticated weapons?

People who say "God helps does who help themselves" and "faith without works is dead" are either dubious or lack the IQ to effectively spot cause and effect with two or more given factors to consider. Vaxx, I am disappointed in you. This is what I would have expected from Oga butterfly.

ScienceWatch:
Lol. Atheists are embarrassing FSM.

SKhanmi:
From what I can deduce from Vaxx conversations, you sound like a very intelligent person with a good reasoning faculty. But the way I understand your question, it's like asking for a scientific method/Formula that shows beyond doubt how prayer works or like expecting a chicken to understand why you wake up and go to work everyday unless it becomes a HUMAN BEING Just my example.

Different laws,Different beings,Different universes.

By the way,Have you ever encountered a powerful psychic before?

kkins25:
The op is quite disappointing coming from vaax. "GOD helps those who help themselves" i believe is a remedy to and for those fundamentalist that think God is responsible for every single event, success, failure etc in a persons life.

tintingz:
You're just limiting the Gods and given excuses.

Like I said the statement or belief that "God help those who help themselves" is lame. When are we going to know when the Gods are helping, when do we know when the Gods fail?

Are you saying our forefathers didn't do anything to protect their lands and people?

tintingz:
Your premises is trying to limit the powers of the orishas, now that it appears like that, what was Olodumare the creator doing to save the yorubas from the white colonials?