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tintingz:
Olorun is ruler of heaven, Olodumare the Creator while Olofi is like the mediator, these three attributes works as one.

Now since you claim the Orishas can't do anything to save our forefathers from the colonials, what was Olodumare doing?

I never claim such. It shows that you did not read the op just like the other dude who posted in capital letter.

Now go back to the op. Read and digest it for FSM sake.

tintingz:
Is Olorun a human?

The original word is actually olodumare. Olorun are part of is attribute.

The Yoruba understanding of olodumare t is a single creative force. We believe The Universe in it’s entirety springs from that single source.A consciousness big enough to encompass the entire of creation. Everything we know is part of Olodumare, as is everything we are yet to discover.

budaatum:
Your position on that thread would be like asking a Muslim to stop calling God, Allah. You did say "The truth is universal". So it hardly ought to matter what language one uses. The fact is that everyone defines their own Orisha. And delegating it to an external being, albeit supreme, is a gross act of neglecting ones responsibility to oneself. And those as such cannot be responsible for others, since they are themselves enslaved.

you could see from the thread that I gave an option in which it is applicable.

I do not have problem with the word God himself,I only have issues with his application. If allah arabically can also be apply the same way God can be applied in English phonetics. I hereby disccourage the use of such phrase to represent olodumare . Thankfully. I am not a novice of Arabic. Allah is also a unique word which is yet to be stained or dent.

CAPSLOCKED:
GOD ONLY HELPS THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES IS ON THE LIST OF THE TOP 5 MOST STUPID STATEMENTS EVER MADE.
WHICH IDĮOT FIRST SAID SOMETHING THAT RIDICULOUS?

LIKE IF I READ FOR AN EXAM AND THEN PASS, GOD HELPED ME.
BUT IF I FELL ILL BEFORE THE EXAM AND THEREFORE COULDN'T PREPARE.. AND FAILED, THEN GOD DIDN'T HELP ME CUS I DIDN'T HELP MYSELF?
OR IF I JUMP OUT THE WINDOW OF A BURNING VEHICLE THEN GOD HELPED ME BUT IF I COULDN'T BECAUSE MY LEG WAS STUCK OR I COULDN'T SEE THROUGH THE SMOKE.. AND DIED IN THE FIRE, THEN GOD DIDN'T HELP ME BECAUSE I DIDN'T HELP MYSELF? WHY DIDN'T HE PUT OUT THE FIRE, OR PREVENT EVERYTHING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

THROUGHOUT HIS EXISTENCE, MAN HAS STRUGGLED TO MAKE HIS LIFE BETTER, HEALTHIER, AND LONGER. HE DEVELOPED VACCINES AND CURE FOR MANY DISEASES. HE HAS BUILT MACHINES AND CITIES AND TRIES TO UNDERSTAND AND EXPLAIN EVERY COMPONENT OF NATURE. OF THE UNIVERSE.
HE SAVES HIMSELF WHEN HE CAN AND PROVIDES WHAT HE CAN AFFORD.
HE ALONE DESERVE ALL THE PRAISE AND GLORY, AND NOT MYTHICAL DEITIES THAT ARE NOT THERE AND WILL NEVER BE.

The phrase is practically non scriptural . It is proverbial.


So before you attack the popular phrase. Educate yourself about it .en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_helps_those_who_help_themselves

https://www.google.com.gh/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_helps_those_who_help_themselves&ved=2ahUKEwi7pp2aqdHcAhWE16QKHWGDAtEQFjACegQICxAP&usg=AOvVaw1SwwYulNSJUP2K4eyEVzWH

budaatum:
The presumption that the Omo Oba Orun would not know his father is rather comical I dare say, despite my position that the father and the son are distinct separate entities. Except I expect no better from those who worship him, I guess.

Olodumare means pretty much the same as God, vaxx. Same attributes and powers to boot!

To some degree, this is applicable. But in pratical. It violate Yoruba vocabulary.


Visit this my thread. to check yourself......https://www.nairaland.com/3757995/stop-calling-name-god-it

budaatum:
I thank my Orisha therefore, that I am an atheist. For my Orisha is not destroyed by any priest or church, be they of Olodumare or Yahweh!

understand what it means. When Yoruba use the word olodumare.

budaatum:
So basically, if I help myself, Olodumare, the gods, will help too. Would they add to my help, I wonder, or does all the effort have to come from me?

it simply means doing nothing will produce nothing.

If you consider 'the gods', to be the the primitives way of saying 'knowledge', 'understanding', and ultimately 'wisdom', one can see how this might work. The gods l would make me realise the need for hospitals and well trained doctors and nurses who are full of knowledge so that when my child is ill I can take him there to be healed. Unfortunately, religion has decided that the knowledge of the gods is to believe whatever I am told so all I got is the preacher and his church!

unfortunately you should blame yourself for this and not religion. Religion suppose to free you and not cage you. The moment you allow preacher and his church dictate for you instead of the truth. You submit yourself to slavery..

i do propose we kill our 'gods' and abandon 'belief'. That is what other nations had to do and which made some smart and strong so that they were the masters and we ended up with chains around our necks

Well orisha are not "gods" in the European sense of the word. Neither are they ghostlike beings in the clouds some worship. In IFA Spirituality, the orisha are understood as the powers of Olodumare (the Supreme Being) living in you, in your society, and in nature. So killing them is killing yourself,the society and the nature in which you are part.

This is also the first thing the Europeans did to enslave/colonize you. Their mission was to destroy your link to the orisa. They weren't simply negating your "religion." They were dismantling your access to the powers of Olodumare within you and your society. Only then could they defeat you. However, because these links are created by Olodumare Himself, no one outside of yourself can destroy it; they can only convince you (thru psychological programming), to dismantle it yourself. Which you are now asking for..

They present toxic role models/country for you and you follow them, thereby you are now in the interest of destroying the orisha that lives inside you.

budaatum:
And in Christian language, loosely translated,
"Know ye that ye are gods!"

The truth is universal.regardless of race, ethnic or nationality but the idea differ. It will only take an open minded person to agree with both and see them equal.

frank317:
How exactly would orisha have helped our fore fathers if they were actually united

now. You just ask a reasonable question. Orisha is not one entity somewhere looking for whom to help .It Is you that symbolize orisha. Orisha is in you . Therefore the power to help yourself lies in the dicision and indicition you will make.

"" ORUNMILA WI ENIYAN NI DORISHA . LITERALLY MEANS, IT IS HUMAN WHO TURNS TO ORISHA.

frank317:
Does our disunity affect eshu in any way? Why do humans need to follow eshu philosophy to know that they will progress better. This is common sense not eshu philosophy. Eshu should teach us what we don't know not what we know.

Eshu is basically the symbolical representation of the the decision and indicision you made at the crossroad. It is not an angel or unviable personality seeting somewhere telling you to do what and not. It is you in action.it is you making the decision..

Further, does eshu even consider some of those inevitable circumstances that leads to disunity among humans? Unity actually comes with a price. What's eshu philosophy teaching about overcoming those inevitable circumstances that leads to disunity... Its not just about teaching unity which even animals know about.

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It is your choice that made it happen, the decision you made .so Slavery was a Choice? You decided to be disunited so you can be enslaved.

As I said earlier , the Eshu, which is the deification of choice, complicity, decision, indecision, CONSEQUENCE is symbolical representation. .


For you to know it is your choice, even after 400 years, despite so many of us, that we are still enslaved suggests it is a choice we began making.

This is no different than saying that while it is horrible that you had an abusive childhood, if as a 40 year old you are still blaming your life on that childhood, it is because of the bad choices you are continually making, not the abusive childhood. There's a point where you are responsible for your condition, no matter what happened to you beforehand. So this is what the philosophy of eshu symbolise.

So eshu is your decisions AND indecisions. You can only be oppressed when you (as a people) reject your role in your own choices in favor of being an eternal victim.

As we have rejected our own spiritual concept of Eshu (responsibility to choices) who stands at the crossroads where we make decisions, the African race has become obsessed with being a victim to the point that it has stagnated us from ever becoming free.

frank317:
Agreed, people who take care of their own responsibilities are likely to have better things happen in their lives than people who don't. This is all it is... Not God helping them because they are helping themselves. If any God should help anyone, it should he those who can't help themselves.


If I believe in God i will expect him to help me to make life extremely easier... What is the essence believing in God if my life will be no different from someone who does not care about God. I don't think lazy religious people should be blamed for waiting do external help.
And God should define his role... Its either he is there to help or not.



Lol... Its either my security guide is useless or he is more effective with my dog untied... Either way, the security guide will not deserve so much pay for this.

This thread is not for what its God role and purpose,it is where was orisha/olodumare during slavery. In which I position my argument on disunity.

Orisha/olodumare already gave an approach to live as human and that is unity which Yoruba forsake....

However, if you will be interested in knowing the roles and duty of olodumare in the cosmos.Create a thread on that and give me a mention.

It is even a flaw to engage in a debate you had no knowledge about. Why don't you question the philosophy first . Then we can have a go.

frank317:
Sorry this thread is a pure comic relief.

God did not help the people because they were not united.
Of what use will he be if the people were already united? Do u think a united people would have needed his help? I put it to u that a united people are already a strong hold against opposition, with or without any silly God.

Be in unity is part of dicision making that eshu philosophy is all about which Yoruba tribe forsake when they were enslaved.

You need to ask question directly and not always in christain perspective.

frank317:
Why will God help only those who help themselves? Where did he say this? If ur child is sick, will u not take him to hospital if he does not contribute a portion of his hospital bill?

it means people who help themselves. People who take care of their own responsibilities will have better things happen in their lives then people who don’t. So your child is part of your responsibility.

Like many religious people, they don’t do much to take care of their own problems, and instead wish that an outside force would intervene on their behalf. It’s fine to hope to be blessed/have good things happen, but that wishing can’t be your primary way of dealing with the problems of life.

A similar saying is like trust in your security guide but untie your dog while sleeping at night.

First, let it be clear that most "religions" state that God only helps them that help themselves. Thus, if it ever appears that Olodumaré did not help us, it is only because we were not helping ourselves.

Our enslavement was only possible because we chose to be disunited. This is how the Arabs and Europeans defeated us. Even after we were exposed to guns, instead of breaking the gun down and learn to build one ourselves, we just captured our neighbor and sold him/her to the Europoid for one of his already made guns.

In addition, let's remember why the European anthropologists often say that the African Supreme Deity is remote in traditional spirituality. It is not that they are "remote" but because the Supreme Being does not "rescue" you from things/people He already gave you the power to rescue yourself from. This power (ashé) He already gave you are the orisha living within you.

Thus, if you find yourself enslaved or some other great travesty, it is not Olodumare/the orisa that wasn't there for us; we just chose not to use the power Olodumare gave us at birth.

The irony is that even though we rejected Olodumaré and did not deserve His assistance, Olodumare did in fact help us during slavery. We survived the impossible in huge numbers (unlike the Native Americans) and in many places did so with maintaining knowledge of orisha (such as in Trinidad, Haiti, Cuba, Louisiana, Brazil, etc). Our very present survival--when we didn't deserve it because we rejected the principles of unity (Oduduwa)--is only by the grace of Olodumaré, Lord of the Universe.

""FROM IFA SPIRITUALITY ""

Who is obasonjo? In the front of gaddafi then. If any country should be name giant of Africa. Libya deserve the name by distinction.

Col Gaddafi do not only played a prominent role in the formation of the African Union (AU) - he also wielded enormous influence because he was one of its major financiers.

I remember at one AU summit in 2008, he got many African traditional leaders to declare him the continent's "king of kings" .EVEN well known mandela pay his loyalty to him. Mandela honored and value him so much that one of his grandson was name gaddafi.

enilove:
I want to ask you , why was the protections of God not able to save Oshofa from dying in a car accident ?

Was he not observing the Friday services , which you say , guarantees divine protection ?

permit me to say. This is a irrational question coming from a fellow christain. What if the question is turned around and ask you why was Jesus not able to save himself on the cross..... you will started quoting the bible.

This question should be ask by athiests not you. You want to mock your fellow christain just because he agree with another line of thought different from yours. This is why you give athiest the room to mock you.

If i am christain ,I will have love to be in celestial. She is line with my tradition.

AreaFada2:
I mean all the legally resident Ghanaians in civil service and even labourers remained in 9ja. My uncle was a top military officer at the time. He had a a very big farm. Most staff there were Ghanaians. Approaching 80 to 100. I also had both male and female Ghanaian teachers at school. All remained in 9ja.

People easily forget it was about illegal immigration that affected many other Africans. The sheer number of Ghanaians in Nigeria made it look like Ghana affair only.

Indian and Pakistani teachers and doctors were even affected beginning from that period. Many maths and science teachers were Asians back then in my area.
Let me tell you too: criminal activities of a few Ghanaians also brought bias against them. Some of them who were maiguard, driver or househelp will disappear with master's cars and empty entire house of anything movable while employer was at work.

Some operated in Lagos and moved on to PH or another town. Those who could speak Yoruba or Igbo or Hausa and or any another 9ja language reasonably well even had it easier to blend in another town.

Not fair to tar all with a bad brush but we 9ja are now used to being vilified by other people because of the bad deeds of a few among us.
I was not told. I saw it.

FG mismanaged the whole Ghana must go thing in a typical military jackboot fashion. They could have set up centres across the land to vet foreigners who lived illegally. Those with good skills or children but were illegal could have been granted permit to stay. Nigeria could have announced that 50,000 or whatever number allowed to stay have been granted stay. Many stayed anyway or returned by end of 1985.

And likewise the aliens compline orther was to also regularize the foreigner in Ghana as at that time. Where on earth will foreigner stay without a proper documentation.

so, Busia did not expel Nigerians from Ghana but the law expelled them. They were not the only foereigners who were living and working in Ghana at the period, it was because they did not want to comply with the law that was why they left the shores. Even not all of them left as i said earlier. Many nigeria diplomat were living or those who were fortunate enough to own officials office like my grandad were left behind and likewise some Nigerians who complied with the law stayed up till today

Let me give you a hint about the story.

Busia the then president found out that Ghanaians and other people livings in the country were corrupt or living in a dishonest way because there was no identity of anyone. We were living like animals in the bush. Busia started to introduce national Id cards like the french countries surrounding Ghana. In that process he told all nationals in the country to register at their entry points so they have to go back and re-enter the country again so that their names would be registered at their entry points. Some did that but others did not. And it is those who did not that face the law wrath.not even all of them.some were illegally housed just like what my granddad did.

Can you say the same thing during shagari time and buhar/idiagbon saga. It is to be noted Ghanaians were deported from Nigeria twice while Ghana did it only once .

AreaFada2:
Nigeria housed South Africans during Apartheid, housed Liberians Sierra Leoneans. During Ghana Must Go I had legally resident Ghanians in my neighbourhood & schools. Teachers & civil servants and labourers. What is big deal about your grand dad and govt job in Ghana? All remained behind in 9ja. Maybe you were told. I witnessed it.

Yes i was told .but that was the case. History is available.

And what do you mean ""all remain behind"" in Nigeria. I can't factor sense in that?

ScienceWatch:
Aaaah Vaxx, you never fail to consider mere mortals like me. I like your pretty goons, it made me feel at home.

lol

AreaFada2:
Shallow history. Ghana first sent Nigerians who went there due to Biafra war packing in early 70s. The war just barely ended. Even Western countries give like 5 to 10 years grace to refugees of civil war after war ends.

Is this how they want to practice Pan-African free trade?

Stop distorting history to make it look like what ghana did was wrong.

If you have the information of how Ghana was at the time,and what the Nigerians were up to you wouldn`t be here saying this today

The ACO was the best thing that ever happened to Ghana .Ghanaian will be grateful to Dr busia. . Firstly, you made it sound like Busia just got up one early morning and told the Nigerians to leave Ghana. Ghana was seriously starving then and that was not the only option then.ghana was not the only country that adopt it this style then.check history

That wasn`t the case. Enough time was given for them to leave and those who thought the government was joking were the people who were forced out after the deadline. The government put in place logistics to ensure the safety and comfort of these people. Military personnels from 37 Military Hospital and other units were ready and attending to the sick,children taken care of,pregnant women giving birth were all looked after and many more.

Aflao border became a tent city housing thousands of them and serves as a feeding centre before crossing the border to Lome-Togo. Ghana spent lot of money in carrying out this exercise.


Mind you, my grandad a Nigeria got a juicy job with ghana government then. He himself use his position to safe and keeps lot of Nigerians at his own private home in tema. He use to say it was like hotel Rwanda.

ScienceWatch:
You did make this topic a bit Spicy when you introduced your goons in 3D. Timemachine is telling his truth beautifully and he respectfully warns us that we will not be able to understand what he is willing to teach us because we operate on different dimensions. He has progressed beyond the 3rd density therefore I fully agree with Timemachine that I neither have the training nor the experience to even question him on "Paranormal events that are purely Physics beyond the understanding of most humans."

I notice a intuitive wisdom in Vaxx's dialogue with Timemachine on this extremely complex issue. Timemachine will hit a brickwall in the same way Christians will hit a brick wall trying to explain to Atheists the true transcendental spiritual nature of Jesus.

Do you notice my pretty goons

TimeMachine:
You are a comedian vaxx, and you have derailed the thread, now people who would have used the information I created this thread for, have lost the opportunity to learn.

Have a nice rest of the day, as I take a bow and do other stuff. The Time allocation for the thread is over.

Bye guys.

oh my bad....i just want to make it a bit fun. I believe the thread can still make its impact....

WE should not be serious all the time nah

TimeMachine:
You have no idea who you are chatting with. If I can get your picture, I will step into your dream tonight and tomorrow, you will tell the experience of WHAT I am. Can you put up your picture, for a game show ?

This is me and my goons in 3D

TimeMachine:
I know what death is, cos I have died before.

When I said, I do not consider myself Human, I meant it.

I just want to scared you a little.......Continue with your thread bro...

TimeMachine:
You had no idea, that I am your Creator.

But hey, I could look at that picture long enough and manifest that being into existence.

Do you know that ?

really,

But...........

TimeMachine:
There are machines, I simply told you about Solid State Physics, right ? The machines are designed based on Macroscopic coherence of Mesoscopic data.sets. You will understand nothing on this field on this level. What if I say that at the back of your skull right there, there is neural aperture connecting your physical avatar to a mainframe computer on the alternate dimension, will you understand the dynamics of such technologies ?

So when you use statements like, why is there no machine, and I am saying you need knowledge of Physics beyond what you currently know. You are not even a student yet on this field. You need to clean up your vessel to activate your energy centers and connect to sound current before you have the clairaudience, clairvoyance, Psychokinetic capabilities etc.

So, please do not say there is no machine. I have repeatedly stated that 3D Science must begin to Study Science of Consciousness to even begin to understand the dynamics outside of 3rd Density.

So your questions are understood by me, but that capability for you to understand is what is lacking. Your brain hemisphere, from the reptilian to the mammalian and Primate hemispheres will be sync'ed and your light body activated, then you can see outside the spectrum of the rainbow bounding the (Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Indigo, Violet) ROYGBIV frequency bandwidth.

If you want a teacher, first be humble and do not argue. It is beyond the scope of what anyone you know understands. What I present, few humans on this planet has come this far, and I mean it with all level of pride and arrogance.

I earned it. I observe that you are becoming argumentative, so I will no longer respond to those questions until you are ready to listen and learn, I am surpassed the level of being queried for answers. I owe no proof, to you. But if you have a billion dollars you do not use, may I can find time to couch you on this raise your vibration.

lol I am coming for you.....i am the demon you said you don't fear....see me soon

TimeMachine:
It depends on your level of science. Have you studied Solid State Physics yet ? The answer is No.

Have you studied Digital Physics yet, the answer is No.

So, your understanding of even the Physics of 3D reality is even limited. I had to surpass all levels of physics to even understand the level of the simula
As I stated, your understanding of these subjects are very much limited. I am NOT here to argue, because you can not understand a thing I will say here. This is not
pride, you have not yet sequenced the entire hemispheres of your brain.

i am still a student . So assume I know nothing.

BUT you claim the position of authority. Which means you know better. But yet you still don't give me the reason why there is no objective machine to detect your evidence.


YOU RELYY ON THE SIDE OF SCTIENCE That are incompatible to materialism and physical monism
. There are still lot of works on your side bro. If that is the case let me introduce you to particle physics. It is interesting as well.

ScienceWatch:
Agreed. Academia, psychiatrists, psychologists are certainly baffled by the spirit of man. Yet they market harmful practices for monetary gain.

The families of three Florida high school students who died after their principal hypnotized them have prevailed in a civil wrongful death suit against the school board.

Each family will each receive $200,000 in a legal settlement with the Sarasota County School Board. But the parents of one of the victims say the case is about raising awareness, not money, reports Vladimir Duthier of CBS News' digital network, CBSN.

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Brittany Palumbo FAMILY
Patricia and Michael Palumbo say their daughter, Brittany, was driven to succeed, giving up her weekends and time with friends to study. In her senior year at North Port High School, she went to her principal for guidance about college.

"George Kenney told her at the time he believed she had test anxiety and he could help her with that anxiety," said Patricia Palumbo.

in the USA

TimeMachine:
The problem with most of the analysis up there and why you used words like fiction is because it is beyond the scope of your understanding, Yes. It is beyond your scope. So, you and the rest of the persons out there, are yet to experience reality outside of 3rd Density 4th Dimension. You are 4th Dimensional Being existing in a 3rd Density Plane. While I am a 5th Dimensional being existing in both 4th and 3rd Density due to my level of consciousness.

So, it is quite tough explaining something outside your physicality to you and I really appreciate the fact that you are even catching up. It is quite a tough thing to understand.

I do not claim what I write here, cos you are not paying me to teach you, I am sharing only facts that are in existence outside the usual scope of 3D.

I do not offer you an opportunity to debate, because you can not debate something you are not yet capable of knowing at your level of consciousness, and I use the phrase 'capable of knowing' with due respect as it is true. Until you get that upgrade and have the Extra Sense activated, and hey, have you heard about 'Extra Sensory Perceptions ?' What do you think these extra senses are ? When you get an upgrade of consciousness, you will have your higher senses activated, that is when your journey will even begin. Even at that level, I will even teach you a lot to even make you come up a certain level to evaluate. At that point, you will not call me out for debates, you will beg me to expound more on your realizations.

You need to clean up yourself and let's see if we can get you vibrating as a clean vessel for sound current to activate your energy centers and put your light body online. At the moment, your subtle body is offline. Once its online, you will start receiving downloads from the Field.

science was not naive on the subject. It gave explanation as to why the speculativw extra dimension can not be dectable for now.. One of the explanation is that the extra dimensions are "compact", i.e. they are too small for us to detect them. If they are not compact then they are usually called "large" extra dimensions, and it is postulated that we are restricted to a particular 4-dimensional surface within the higher-dimensional universe (or multiverse).if that really is true.


Furthermore the forth dimension is not me nor any human as you put it. we can objectively deduct that it is time because scientists conclude that ""time "" the fourth dimension governs the properties of all known matter at any given point. Along with the three other dimensions,and likewise knowing an objects position in time is essential to plotting its position in the universe.


I base my fact on reasons and thinking and not just mere speculation. EVEN if it is hypothesis it must be logical and compatable with reasons. As I said,i cannot debate your consciousness....it violate common sense.

TimeMachine:
You will agree with me that I am lettered enough to know what Hallucination is, Yes ?

You will agree that I am smart enough to know what Science fiction is, Right ?

I do not write from books, cos I do not have time to read books. What I do is cross-check my experience online, searching for terms on what I experience and I seem to get deeper insights than what existing Sciences have conceptualized using Mathematical models, you know why ?

Our Scientists are yet to embrace Consciousness, as a factor. Even though the double-slit experiment has proven that the Observer is the chief influence on the outcome of behavior of electrons. That is where they stopped. The moment they decode what Consciousness is, and get upgraded from Human level Consciousness to the Cosmic Level of Consciousness, then you will now depend on Extra Senses to 'perceive' the realities outside of 3rd Density-4th Dimension existence we call Physical Reality. This is a world of Length, Breadth, Width and Time, but where I am talking about now is 4th Density-5th Dimensional Reality of Length, Breadth, Width, Time in multiple directions. So, it is like connecting the dots before creation, to the future, and you exist here now and can see across the different time lines, as if you are outside of linear time reference.

Does this sound like science-fiction friend ?

Honestly to me you sound smart and this is the reason I read you thread....i just wish I could faction out something I could own as a scientific fact ....

You are right consciousness now is still beyond the scope of science and generally it is regarded as a mere illusion by Neuro scientists though I disagree judging from my own subjective opinion which is not related to science.

According to science, we are made to know dimensions are simply the different facets of what we perceive to be reality. We are immediately aware of the three dimensions that surround us on a daily basis – those that define the length, width, and depth of all objects in our universes (the x, y, and z axes, respectively)as you have stated. Which means beyond space, plane and line all others are not apparent to us..

That is why I ask why there is no objective machine that can detect this. But if you claim is consciousness base then that is fine by me. I can debate your subjective thought.

TimeMachine . It seems you are claming to have experienced another dimension beyond the physical one. HAVE YOU READ THE NOVEL FLATTHEAD?

I have read a lot of your twisted scientific words but was unable to picture it beyond reality.

Though I agree hallucinations and delusion can be a plausible factor which i do not want to debate for now. But are sure,You are not experiencing any of such?

Since you are taking science stand to explain your narrative though I see it as science -fiction. I am of the opinion if this is a fact, there would have to be some objective mechanism by which humans could actually experience it. But Neither have i ever had any evidence for or beyond mathematical models in the former and nothing in the later case. What is your stand on this..


I use to read your thread when you are billionaire. Lol

Well. If this is worth celebrating. My direct cousin is currently doing his national service at akwa ibom now. He never went to secondary school too but makaranta(Islamic citadel of learning)in ede but he is now a graduate of Unilorin . He wrote waec as an external student.