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When people speak about slavery, they are not talking about something that happened to some ancestor that I never met 185 years ago. They are talking about something that happened to me. I am my ancestors. I am my egungun. IFA: Orisa Scientific Spirituality teaches that eniyan (human beings) reincarnate thru their ethnic group, their egungun.

It was I that experienced slavery, not just some remote person in my genetic history. It was me all along, all these tens of thousands of years. Being born. Living. Dying. Reborn. Living. Dying. Reborn. Living. Through my ancestors I have come and go and come to the Earthly realm as a West-Central African descendant since the beginning and for eternity to come.

I have been enslaved for at least the last 300 years but that was only a small fraction of my reincarnated existence. Before that I was a free West-Central African for the last 300,000 years!!!! I had my own language, culture, government, architecture, economy, and deity.

The only way for me to be free again is to be the free man I was before...and that free man, that egungun, lived West-Central African spiritual culture.




From Ifa spirituality ........

ScienceWatch:
Mmmmmm incredible, educational and deep as usual sir. Thank you for taking from your precious time to share. Tintingz should accept your kind advice when you said, "
Educate yourself on non observational evidence .GOD evidence is non observation."

I may be wrong, but it seems that Tintingz seems unaware that he was going off point while at the same time failing to refocus his mind on how the laws of logic is applied when examining non-observable evidence. Would you agree that there are four atheists here, Tintingz, Johnydon, Hopefullandlord that are on the brink of breaking out of the vicious materialistic Matrix if they can sincerely take your kindly advice to "Educate yourself on non observational evidence ."

Have a blessed Sunday.

thanks bro and you too

princeSammyz:
“Then let me ask you this famous question: Would you rather live in a world without technology … or in a world without religion? Would you rather live without medicine, electricity, transportation, and antibiotics … or without zealots waging war over fictional tales and imaginary spirits?” That is a quote from Dan Brown's Origin, and I'll like to put it us here, if the universe suddenly makes religion and science mutually exclusive, which will you go with?

science and religion can never be exclusive if geared toward the truth.Ritual -example. Worshiping rising sun, Almost all religions do it . Science - Sunrays are source of Vitamins. Also, the rays improves your eyesight. But, looking directly in to the sun during noon may harm your eyes. So it was advised to look and pay aboyance to ultimate source of energy early in the moring.... . You can visit my thread....https://www.nairaland.com/4373546/believe-religion-same-time-accept

ScienceWatch:
Excellent. Then I will accept your unbiased conclusion, no problem for me.
Thanks for adding loads of adjectives to make your point, I would have missed it completely.
I still think that you left out a few insults that for the sake of clarity. Feel free

.Lol

tintingz:
Lol, is there any perfect being?

I've watch many debates and I've seen oppositors accepting thier errors or mistake, it's not an issue or a sign of weakness!

Vaxx has flaws in his argument, which he's dodging.

i will obliged you to stop assuming unnecessary .bring out the flaws but this time stick to the topic of discussion.

So much off the point write up

tintingz:
Abeg quote me well and no dey give me stress

ooh i miss this .i was unable to read your have baked logic.

How did science demonstrate the Earth is not flat? Except you're one of those flat earthers.

Goal post shifting .but let me educate you a little. gravity created by the Earths spin is a scientific demonstration to validate the shape of the earth . Gravity would not be evenly distributed if the world wasn't circular.

How did historian was able to tell us Moses never existed in ancient Egypt?
Or Santa not in North Pole?

too much of goal post shifting men. how do we arrive here. i educate u earlier.but will not be doing it again .

You think something is just term myth with just spoken words?

Here will go making unnecessary assumption when u are desperate to pass a cheap point.

Yes, since Yahweh and Allah claim they are all-knowing and omini-benevolent how come they didn't know Satan will rebel and this will cause doom to humanity?

A lot of goal post shifting here.what is this. have you forgotten the topic of discussion ?

If they claim they answer prayers, how come thier worshipers suffers like every other people?

How come Christianity is so divided despite the holy book claim holy spirit will guide them right?

God is so powerful that we still argue if he exist or not.

pile of hot trash. just too much out of point,that i do not even know where to begin with.

Just demonstrate it with paradox.

Can't prove a negative is now term pseudo-logic.

A negative claim is a colloquialism for an affirmative claim that asserts the non-existence or exclusion of something. Claiming that it is impossible to prove a negative is a pseudologic, because there are many proofs that substantiate negative claims in mathematics, science, and economics, including Arrow's impossibility theorem. There can be multiple claims within a debate. Nevertheless, whoever makes a claim carries the burden of proof regardless of positive or negative content in the claim.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of_absence

reading wikipedia all alone is a bad habit of learning . go thru the wikipedia references to get a wider and deeper coverage of the topic. : we are talking of universal negative here. in philosophy they are classify into two. one name posteriori and the other name priori .let me give example of posteriori for you.: it is the universal negative that we refer to when we speak about disproving the existence of something.it is something that can be determined through experience.

For example, "GODS don't exist."

In order to prove this negative we would have to consider an infinite amount of evidence, all the swans that existed, all the swans that exist, and all the swans that will exist. Because we cannot consider this infinite set of evidence, proving the universal negative is impossible. The universal negative that we refer to when we speak about disproving the existence of something is something that can be determined through experience.

By simply try to observe, research, investigate, critical thinking etc. With this you can demonstrate how you came to your conclusion.

This can only be done when the premises is positive .

Lol, oga wetin I talk wetin you talk?
How can we prove the positive and negative if there is milk in the cup?

Educate yourself on non observational evidence .GOD evidence is non observation.

Theist, deist, panthiest etc all believe there's God/s but the problem here is these gods contradict in attributes and thier stories(verifiable factor) which beg the question if this God/s exist or just some imaginary man-made creation.

here comes the invariable question .You see, it is actually quite foolish. First it is asserted, that most of us believe so apart from atheist.Then the fact that everyone believe so, is used to negate what is being said.is that not abuse of logic, If we all says the same thing, the logical thing to assume is that there must be something to it. Not that everyone says the same thing, so therefore it must be false. How does that make sense? Where is the logic? In fact, you would expect all of us to say basically the same things, because all religions are different cultural expressions of the same Absolute Truth. Surely, the details may vary, but if all religions are differently conditioned expressions of the same truth, you'd expect they would mention the same basic principles.

Yes, since observations tells us people behave in contrary to what holy spider claim in the holy book, then this prove holy spider doesn't exist.

Gibberish . how do you measure and observe holy book/holy spider. demonstrate it?

Another example is morality, Yahweh claim he's the source of morality which makes it objective but in reality if we observe humanity and society morality is subjective.

If you tell me morality is objective, I can prove to you morality is subjective with demonstrations.

Gather all hypothesis, idea of Gods on one table, we do research about these Gods and thier origin then come out with a consensus agreement.

There's something called consensus decision-making.

If only theists have balls to do this.

But the fact that each religion has it own idea of God shows that thier God doesn't exist.


Religions are yet to give us evidence of each of their Gods or God in general.

Some claim God has children, some claim God is childless, some claim God has many hands, some claim God ran away, some claim God died and so many other "mumbo jumbo".

you actually making a whole lot off point discussion . All your write up is full of goal post shifting.I my self cannot conceive of no stronger evidence for a God/Creator than everything anyone has ever seen, touched, smelled, tasted, heard, or otherwise experienced. so which balls is more harder than this.

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That we can't prove negative as been term pseudo-logic.

lol .But wait I’ll take the science-ish route and attempt to answer “can you demonstrate a negative?”

NO, Lets supply constraints.

“There are no GOD.” Indemonstrable or can u demonstrates it.

I used to subscribe to this before.

you now subscribe to mumbo jumbo

If God exist it can be known, if God doesn't exist it can also be known.

Gibberish. how do you demonstrates what u consider not in existence

If you tell me there's milk in the cup on the table and I told you there is no milk and you demand for a prove, I can simply prove that to you by verifying what's in the cup.

mumbo jumbo. milk has a verifiable factor that is objectively accepted same its not with GOD.that is why we have theist,deist,pantheist and so forth.

I believe in the sun because I can see it up there, I don't believe there's a white whale revolving the earth and I can prove that to you.

i will be waiting for a demonstration on this flaws.

I believe in gravity because it can measure, I don't believe in holy Spider because it cannot be measure nor observe, if holy Spider exist webbism shouldn't be divided, a born again webbist should be perfect.

flawed . not scientifically correct. there should be objective verified evidence of what should be holy spider ..

We can assume there is a God and then examine it if it's true or not.

Even if we are to assume , It must be put in a way that can be objectively verified . so how do we assume that there is no GOD objectively

Not verifying that God exist as proven negative itself.No one has been able to demonstrate the existence of God, if God actually exist we shouldn't be discussing it just like how we don't debate if the sun is up there.

it's very easy for humans to ignore anything that might be construed as "evidence," no matter how pervasive that evidence. Obviously, confirmation bias is not the exclusive domain of theists.

No religion has been able to prove Yahweh, Allah, Zeus, Odin, Ukulunkulu, Olorun, Ra, Brahma etc exist, we just read them from some mythical books which has flaws and self-contradictions.

religion has given enough insightful argument of the evidence of God. but if you are composing in your head the comment that tells me this is simply "argument from ignorance" or "argument from incredulity," you have not considered those points, but have instead decided to quote from the anti-theist word view while just skimming the arguments. You are instead committing confirmation bias and ignoring the greatest body of evidence possible.

tintingz:
Ofcos negative can be proven, the same way we can prove unicorn, santa, fairies, leprechauns, vampires etc doesn't exist also apply to gods in religions and cultures.

E.g - Yahweh is all-knowing, all-powerful and all loving, how come evil exist?

- Olorun sent Obatala to create the world with chicken, corn and sand, what kind of chicken breed is that and why does an all-powerful God stress the poor chicken?

Negative can be proven with the attributes and mythical stories about these gods.

flawed as usual, By definition, you can't prove a negative. That's the funny thing about life - if God exists, it can be known for real, but if God does not exist, it is not possible to know for sure. Note, this is not my opinion, I am stating an indisputable fact - if God exists, it can be known, because then God can verify His own existence. And if He does not exist, then it cannot be known. It is simple

THEISTS are called believers, while ATHEIST are called unbelievers. don't you notice error in those phrase ? As an atheist you believe in something that cannot be verified. But as a theist we believe in something that, at least theoretically, has a chance of being verified.

Thus it can be concluded that it is a an intellectually superior position to believe in God, rather than the opposite. The first assumption, that there is a God, has a chance of verification, whereas the second position, that there is no God, cannot be verified.

But if i point out these theoretical things - even though they are indisputable facts - i will be met with a wall of resistance - no, no, i do not knows the truth. God is merely a fairy tale,it is yet to be understanding by science ,to believe in God is no more different than believing in tooth-fairies and Santa Claus.all sort of crap. That's what you will tell me.

Lirqur:
I know most atheists on this page already regard the truth as myths. But even looking at the Shaitan’s refusal to bow and what can be interpreted from it shows atheist have taken after Shaitan. May Allah Grant me wisdom.

Some of you may be familiar with the story because you were formally Muslims. But for those not familiar, here is a brief story about Iblis.

In Islam, According to the Quran, Iblis was a jinn, created by Allah out of “smokeless fire” (Along with other jinns) and created Adam(man) out of clay. The primary characteristic of the Devil, is that he has the power to cast evil suggestions into the heart of men, women, and jinn.

When Allah instructed Iblis to bow to Adam, Iblis was proud and arrogant and considered himself superior to Adam, since Adam was made from clay and he from smokeless fire. For this act of disobedience, Allah cursed him to Hell for eternity, but gave him respite until the Day of Judgment (Qiyāmah), after Iblis requested it. Iblis obtained permission from Allah and vowed that he would use this time to mislead all of mankind from serving Allah and lead them to Hell as a way of revenge against them. By refusing to obey Allah’s order he was thrown out of Paradise and thereafter he was called “Shaitan.”

Now I will be stating the meaning of his refusal to bow and what it interprets. When Iblis refused to bow a lot can be interpreted from his action such as:

1. Immediately he became an ingrate. Ungrateful in all ramifications. Likewise, Atheists, in the eyes of Allah (SWT), your maker, you are being ungrateful for being created. He has given you life, provided shelter, provided all that you need to survive on earth and yet you all are still being ungrateful.

2.Right there he disregarded his creator’s command and ultimately disregarded his creator. Atheists, without much talk, the only reason you all are called “atheists” is because you disregard your creator and aren’t following his command.

3. He didn’t fear Allah. He obviously didn’t fear his creator because he didn’t know he didn’t know the outcome of not bowing. Similarly, y’all don’t fear your maker and obviously y’all don’t know and fear the outcome, Jahannam (hell). Same way Shaitan didn’t know and fear the outcome of his refusal to bow.

4. He declared from that moment that He didn’t need Allah. That he could do his own will, he could do as he likes. He even vowed to mislead all of mankind from submitting to Allah. Similarly, All atheists have declared that there is no Ilah(God) and are currently are living by their own will too. Even more similarly, when most people become atheists, they strive to “liberate”(Mislead) believers in Allah or ilah (God) with “seemingly” intelligent babble.

5. He refused to bow. He cannot/doesn’t praise Allah, and also stopped worshipping all together. Now observe that Allah’s instruction to mankind is to worship, praise, thank and glorify him. Allah did not ask Iblis to thank him or praise him, he asked him to bow. As we all know, only believers praise, thank, and glorify their Lord. Shaitan cannot praise Allah, he lost the right to. Similarly atheists don’t praise and thank Allah.

Allah has indirectly shown us here what it means bow and what it means when you refuse it. Iblis refused one “Sajdah” (bow) and it resulted in his dismissal. Atheists do you know how many sadjah you’re missing? Sadjah is how we Muslims prostrate to Allah.

6. He blamed Allah for misleading him and creating him like that. This is a very famous line for atheists. Most already believe that Allah created them to doom, that he has destined them for Jahannam(hell).

7. Shaitan was formally a loyal servant of Allah, until Allah(swt) asked him to bow to Adam. Obviously Allah denied him the right to be worshipped. Correspondingly, most atheist were formally loyal to serving ilah(God) until maybe misfortune befell them, or as some claim “reason” fell on them. Only few atheist were atheists as a result from being born in atheist homes, there had to be a turning, just as Iblis turned.

8. Bonus. Even Iblis with all his wisdom cannot explain how he was created. All that he knew was that he was created from smokeless fire. That’s why he has created the lie of Evolution for Atheists to follow. Atheists not knowing how they were created, rely on evolution as the reason behind creation.

Atheists, can you see the similarities.

So you see, even though majority of you believes it’s a myth, y’all are really trying in acting the myth out.

When a CD is cracked it no longer plays smoothly we discard it. When your clothes are torn, worn-out or faded sometimes you give it away other times you turn it to rags. When the bulb at home burns, you discard it. When the ink in your pen empties, you discard it. In a company, when a staff fails to adhere to rules or violates a law, the offending staff is fired. All of these goes to show that we as humans, when something doesn’t perform the function for which it was created we discard it. And when laws are violated, we seek punishment for the offenders.

Iblis refused to bow to Allah. Allah created him to follow instructions, to worship him. When he refused to perform the function for which he was created, he was discarded. If you fail to repent and return to Allah, you’ll be discarded (Jahannam)

In the Quran 51:56 Allah says (And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me) only humans and jinns have the opportunity of repentance. Allah’s mercy and love is like the air we breathe – It is for everyone. Atheists, Repent now! Allah (SWT) forgives all sins, nobody is destined for Jahannam (hell).

Allah(swt) Knows Best.

Salaam

At this highlighted part. it called for reason and reflection.

johnydon22:
Wait i don't get this. Did i mention which i think is right or wrong?

It was a question to ascertain what people would do at different situations. WTF?

. The answer to your question lies in between .

Another subjective and objective morality misconception from johnydon22.
morality does not justify bad from good,human do.

But there are method to justify it using moral philosophy, also called the discipline of Ethics, it is a branch of philosophy that give us the values upon which we evaluate and judge actions and phenomenon for good and bad.

Even not having heard of morals and ethics, we do it. The experiments from Yale Infant Center might show us that some sort of moral code is already present quite early in our lives. http://edition.cnn.com/2014/02/13/living/what-babies-know-anderson-cooper-parents/index.html.

Our perception and values play a key role determining what is what regarding moral. We do have some fields of ethics, but johnydon22 enjoy this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normative_ethics.

Martinez19:
When are we going to have a newspaper or magazine in Nigeria that criticises and exposes magical thinking and it's effects, especially in Nigeria and also expose and investigate the operations, nonsense, lifestyle and tricks of spiritualist?

Let me engage your mind a little . what do you think will be the necessary parameter this magazine will work with to validate its authenticity.

Never knew hopefullanlord created a thread for this bogus claim. Another pseudo argument that seems appealing to those who have not taking time to study the claim apart from the propagandist end. Most of the actual objects of study are inaccessible to non-experts because they are too fragile or valuable to be publicly displayed for general scrutiny. Not only that, but properly evaluating their meaning and significance almost always demands a thorough understanding of ancient languages, geography, and cultures which can only be obtained by many years of advanced education in the field.

JackBizzle:
From what I have been reading, butterfly-lying has run mad. He doesnt want to talk to atheists.


I blame Dalaman, hahn, capslocked and hopefullandlord

i do not think so

mekonglobal:
So civilization actually started in Egypt? Then what happened? Why are they not leading Africa and the rest of World in a technology and innovative breakthroughs.

I’m assuming you’re talking about contemporary Egypt. First of all, contemporary Egypt has no ties or relations to ancient Egypt whatsoever. The history and heritage of ancient Egypt was lost for over a thousand years. Before European excavations in Egypt, most Egyptians didn’t know much about ancient Egypt aside from what the Bible and Quran said. The full extent of the civilization’s impressive achievement was not well-known.

No empire lasts forever. All empires collapse. Why empires fall is a question that historians still debate today.and it was not Egypt alone that is in greatness. Greece, India, China, Mesopotamia and West Africa were all formidable civilizations, along with many other smaller but developed ones. today Egypt is by far developed more than any west Africa state.

JackBizzle:
Yeah. I was on a break

i miss your endless argument with your christian friend .butterflylion

JackBizzle:
Religion is one problem amongst many.

Christianity and Islam give rise to

-homophobia
-anti-reproductive rights
-scientific ignorance
-religious terrorism and wars
Etc

longest time.

Deo1986:
The dead knows nothing, it doesn't matter if anyone attends his burial or not.

The most reasonable reply here so far.

Seun:
It’s a meaningless term. To me objectivity and morality are not compatible. Every moral actor or group of moral actors has its own morality. If a sentient creator exists, his morality is just one of many. He judges right and wrong from his point of view, just like all other moral actors e.g. elephants, lions and human beings.

From a lion’s point of view, killing a baby elephant is morally acceptable because they have to kill to eat, but from an elephant’s point of view, lions that kill elephant babies are evil animals that ought to be exterminated.

From the hypothetical creator’s perspective, allowing little children to have cancer or be raped may be right, since he allows these things to happen; because he sees them as his playthings (he is the potter and we are the clay, right?). That doesn’t make those things right from our point of view as decent people. Any human who allows kids to be raped even though he could prevent it, would be condemned as evil by all human beings.

If a creator exists, his morality is just his subjective morality. I do not believe that picking one moral actor’s subjective morality and labeling it as “objective” makes sense.

Goodness and badness, fairness and unfairness and all the terms related to morality have a common criterion and that is: being or not being in harmony with the real goal that the human being has in his life. That objective is the same for all.

so what about animal ?In my opinion, the difference between other species and humans is not that great. It’s clear that animals feel pain and suffering, have active minds, and a desire to live. They may not function at the same capacity as people, but that doesn’t mean they don’t experience the same things we do. The difference is the human desire to separate ourselves from the rest of the animal kingdom. so i disagree with your lion and elephant example.lion family might not be happy feeding on other harmless animal.just like some human family are now vegetarian because they feel eating animal is synonymous to murder.when science develop a mind reader,maybe we will understand this phenomenon better.but as for now.i bet to go with science which classify human and animal as same.

if we accept one principle, that human beings ought not to suffer, we should be able to measure morality objectively, in theory if not in actual practice. we can begin to take the measurements necessary to evaluate morality if we treat its study as a science.

MPSA:
You are the biggest dreamer Algeria can't match the standard of South Africa, Why you don't choose the other country, with Algeria! I don't think is the best choice for SA

SA has done quite impressive job for her citizens .thanks to the diamond industry and post apartheid regime . but i am of the opinion Morocco is doing better .and due to its proximity to Europe will be much easier to trade with the rich block . Morocco has a tremendous investments in cleaner energy-only countries with stronger economies and vision invest in clean energy while poor ones are more concern with feeding the hungry masses and disease control. http://www.computerworld.com/article/3031659/sustainable-it/worlds-largest-solar-plant-goes-live-will-provide-power-for-11m-people.html Libya too will have be in this position but lost it due to political brouhaha.

nwoke39:
Nigeria has a bigger manufacturing industry than Ghana.. and i believe manufacturing contributes more to Nigeria's GDP than Ghana... so in theory Nigeria is more industrialized than Ghana

This is a displays of limited knowledge, it is even inappropriate for us to be having a discussion on this blanket, baseless comparison because what it does is to create the impression that we are a homogeneous country and that all conditions in Ghana are the same as the conditions in Nigeria”. both are not industrialist nations simple.Do not create the impression [that] because Nigeria produces more oil, they have done something extraordinary than Ghana .Ghana also has fantastic gold mining industry .And however this not make the both nations an industrialized country. no develop nation actually develop on raw material or cash crop production .Ghana quite has a smaller economy but the development in their economy has greater impact on the lives of their people than it is the case in Nigeria..

Jonraid:
Fair enough,but do you really believe that Ghana is a West African regional giant?

Nigeria still remain the west Africa economy power house.and this is due to her population and oil wealth.she is not in anyway industrialized more than Ghana .but when it comes to good governance and democracy.Ghana is clearly a top notch in west Africa and among the top 4 in Africa. this had help Ghana economy to grow as well. but all in all much need to be done.

nwoke39:
of course, Nigeria's gdp per capita is wayyy below standard... then again ghana's gdp per capita is lower which begs one to ponder why such a country that has more stability and less people than Nigeria is behind Nigeria in gdp per capita...

Both Nigeria and Ghana are not worthy to emulate.we should be talking about an industrialised economy that we can model ourselves around, not countries that have achieved development by being a raw material or a cash crop-producing country. No country can develop on a sustainable basis in that manner.

Jonraid:
Post a link or a source that would validate your claims! Do you mean this?http://myjoyonline.com/lifestyle/2018/March-20th/only-27-per-cent-of-ghanaians-access-potable-water-report.php

read my post again.i never give indices on the coverage of the water. i only gave an indication of what is expected at the end of this year. my percentage only cover Ghana electricity.you may want to try again.

why are you personifying death?

RuthlessLeader:
@bolded, Your definition of religion is blatantly wrong. The dictionary defines religion as the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods. Just because you want to defend your religion doesn't now mean that you have to make up bullshit( Well I guess it does, since The religion has no observed benefit .)

when you place Shintoism,Buddhism and other few eastern faith into the same definition .you will realize the dictionary you rely upon is limited in scope .

Jay254:
Yes Ghana is better but I believe Ivory Coast is way better.

Not true. there is not a single human development indicator that shows Cote d’Ivoire is doing better than Ghana. If you look at electricity for instance, just 30 per cent of Ivorians have access to electricity. 80.5 per cent of Ghanaians have access to electricity. If you look at water for instance, just about 30 per cent of Ivorians have access to water. At the end of this year, 85 per cent of Ghanaians will have access to water. Even Ghana outperform Kenya in this area.

Teaser4:
I wouldn’t really care if the person next to me believed in a religion, but religion is quite useless if you ask me.

There are several countries like Sweden and the Netherlands where good portion of the population do not believe in the existence of god, and these two countries are one of the happiest countries out there, with great scientific and technological innovations.

Religion itself don’t really serve much purpose anymore. The ethics written on many sacred writings are either flawed, ambiguous, contradicting, and/or plain wrong. With globalization, this is even more apparent. People arguing about which religion is true is nonsensical.

However, as someone who strongly believe in scientific method, statistics does say that religion helps mental health to a minor degree. This should, however, not be exaggerated as their effect is not spectacularly good. There’s all these answers below that believes religion can make one’s mental health from the bottom of the hell all the way up to heaven or something. This is not true, and for those who think it does by personal experience, probably is an optimistic person to begin with (possibly unconsciously), even if they share a story about “how depressed they were”. Religion only very slightly ease mental pain, and the other side-effects of religion pretty much negates their advantage.

In reality, religion don’t help at all. People die everyday. People go to war. People commit suicide. People fight for their religion. Poverty exists. What have religion done for them? Pray? And yet, there are some people saying “god is giving them a mission”. Well, I hope they burn in hell because that is plain evil. You don’t create unreasonable evil on purpose. Moreover, people die with that.

Religion has shown its flaws and they are on a decline. Increasingly more people are becoming atheists and agnostics, although they are still a minority today. They are not much more useful than believing in spirits and ghosts.

People should use their time rationally thinking about science and how to make the world a better place than using that time praying and thinking about gods.

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The op is a copy work so i will not blame you much.i will assume you do not know what is religion .religion what is religion? Religion is that by which you can do ultimate good to yourself, others and those involved in between. Now what does that sentence mean ? This defines religion by saying, if there is something that is not just good but ultimately good, that you can do for yourself, others and everything and everyone in between you and others at the same time. That is moral. That is something any one can appreciate.and your thread said we can be fine without it..how possible ?

can you work as a marketer ?

Your choice of word is very wrong.''Discover''it means finding or learning about it for the first time.God as a concept has be with man since time memorial .

sufferNsmiling:
You have a lot of good points And you seem to know a lot about development. Yes south african can dump a lot of goods in nigeria because of their superior infrastructure. Both my big worry countries like ghana ,cameroon, benin republic and togo these are the countries which are coming up fast in west africa a lot of their development is due to illegal trade futa nigeria the amount of smuggled goods from these countries into nigeria is alarming. industries move to dose contries to manufacture and process and then smuggled a good into nigeria. We invest more than 10 billion us dollar in ghana, a lot of those products are smuggled into nigeria a good example I worked on one of the biggest coconut farms in ghana, the coconut powder and coconut oil they were putting them in boxes written made in nigeria to be smuggled into nigeria.

i need quality coconut oil.can you be of help.

johnydon22:
"Something is good because it is good"

Does this mean 'goodness' transcends the determination of God?

God does things because they are good and not because everything God does is good?

If God does the contrary, would that be termed bad?

What makes good good?

it simply means goodness and bad is anthropocentric.