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musicwriter:
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As I said, what I was dealing with is the quote in bold only, cause it's not historically correct. You're free to believe whatever you want; traditionalist, Christian, Muslim, I don't care about whatever anybody believes. I just wanted to straighten that part.

Most early cultures were actually peaceful until Christianity and Islam arrived the scene and began large scale wars that the world never seen before, each claiming their God told them to conquer other lands and convert them to European or Arabic version of religion. This indeed means they didn't believe every human is equal.

Both Christianity and Islam spread exactly like ISIS and Boko haram, and they did exactly what ISIS or Boko haram would do today when they conquer a territory- they forcefully convert the inhabitants to their type of belief and kill anyone who refuses.

It was after the storm came the calm.

See below documentary for the history of Rome and Roman catholic church. For that of Islam I have it on audio book, if you need it email: kemeticphilosophy@gmail


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsR0YlMyXEs

my post read thus...... In the case of most religion. ........



Malaysia, Indonesia are all Islamic domimated land.... Damascus, Constantine were once Christian dominated........there is no solid prove that Islam and Christianity was spread by sword overthere....

Notwithstanding there is certainly use of sword in spreading Islam or Christianity as history dictate it to some degree.....but the answer is yes and no.....how?

You should know human history has witnessed several events of expansion – political, industrial, social and religious. However, political expansion has most often been misconstrued as religious expansion. In the case of Islam, there is no proof that sword or force was the major tools used only to spread the religion. There were dynasties which in order to fulfill their political ambitions conquered many lands. For instance, the Battle of Chausa was fought between the Mughal emperor Humayun and the Afghan Sher Shah Suri (1539). Both the kings were of the same faith. If the purpose of conquering lands and expanding the empire was to spread Islam then there should have been no reason for these Muslim rulers to engage in military combat. This example shows that conquests of Muslim rulers and emperors in history have been for serving political ends and to expand their dynasties. These were not religiously motivated wars and battles..........can you tell me one?

Arabia peninsula was forced together politically..... The non Muslim were made to pay jisya....

Swami Vivekananda, wrote in his book, “Letters of Vivekananda,” “It is nonsense to say that Hindus(India ) were converted to Islam by force.” Similarly Egypt was a large country to enter within the fold of Islam. Sir Arthur Keith, while studying the phenomenon remarked, “Egyptians were conquered not by sword but by the Quran.”(A Christian)

In the case of Christianity ......to some degree yes and no why?

It is certainly obvious but for the first three hundred years, it didn’t have a sword to wield, and still spread pretty far. I mean in the beginning.....

Ireland was Christianized by the preaching of St. Patrick.

Spain by the preaching of St. James the Great.

Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles, didn’t convert them by the sword but by his letters and his preaching........


Russia was forcefully Christianised by the great Peter........


So let's go back to Africa....Nigeria precisely

islam and Christianity was mix.....

Sword was involved

Education was involved

And lastly charity was involved.......



i try as much to balance history so that it will not favour one part and live the rest ....

ATR isn't just a religion, it is our culture.......

JackBizzle:
A traditionalist? Your religion did nothing to stop the white man from enslaving us. Religion is a waste mennnnn

ATR can't be blame..... You blame the individuals who are not practicing the love established by ATR.... Slavery is part of our earlier days culture..... But we are not immune to be stagnant, human evolute... As life change we also change with them....


That is one of ifa teaching.....time do not last forever.....

But let me do justice to your wrong accusations.....


Spain was once ensalve under Islamic authority despite being Catholic majority

India was once part part of Islamic authority
And leadership despite being Hindu


So it is not new and now they are history......

Now to your question.....

Traditional religion did not stop the white men?

Before I proceed, let me cast a Yoruba proverb that says if there is no crack on the wall, a lizard can not penetrate.....the religion can't be blame , we blame those who should keep the law of the religion.....


Africa enslavement was successful because our leaders accept it, they value money and wealth than love.....same thing going on now..

“the slaves were sold to white people by black warlords and tribe leaders". Therefore, if the black people were in it themselves, you can't blame the religion for this. In fact..you should know that it is true that slavery had been part of African history long before the colonists came over. But at the time, it is black people enslaving black people. There's no modern racial component in it nor religions consideration... Then slavery was used as a way to pay off debts and as punishments. They're often part of their master's family, some even get freedom later on and join the society as a full-fledged citizen. That was the deal then....

For a continuation......

Read this book by Charles cman(1493)......

OtemSapien:
The topic of discussion is about 'time' sir. I smell derailing with this your 'time and purpose' ish. Stick to the topic sir.

have you read his analogy?

musicwriter:
The bolded part is exactly the opposite!. To give you the Christianity you cherish so much, Europeans had to go across the globe converting people to Christianity by force, and killing people who refused to convert. That's what the crusades were all about. They had crusades 1, crusades 2,crusades 3, to 9. After that it was the inquisitions. It was the same thing, converting people by force and killing anybody who didn't believe what they believe.

Islam did that also.

That's how you got your Christianity and Islam spread from Europe and Arabia, respectively. These two religions are responsible for killing more people than deaths of first and second world war put together.

if you could understand my post.I stated religion provided the dogma that each one of us as imduvidal are under a deity and therefore equal as human....


I am a traditionalist, therefore I am not inclusive In your theory...

OtemSapien:
I beg to differ. I think if you can't beat them, you should not join them. Rather, you should create your own and let them join you. What I mean is that, instead of me joining a religion for association sake, I'd rather create associations like ASSOCIATIONS OF BRAIN USERS, FOOTBALL VIEWERS ASSOCIATION, RESEARCH ASSOCIATION OF NIGERIA, SINGLES ASSOCIATION OF NIGERIA, GOOD MENTALITY BUILDING ASSOCIATION, ASSOCIATION OF BAD gods JAILERS, etc
All these unexisting associations are waiting for people like you and me to bring them to reality or reincarnate them. I'm no football viewer, I would have erected that FVA where registered members can start watching football, highlight, football histories, news etc from morning till evening. I'm sure some xtians would wanna join the association, thereby reducing the rate at which they get scammed by the likes of pastor Adebole, Oledepo, Kumole and Olekoya.

bravo ...brilliant idea ........most of those who died in Iraq were not rebels.... The rebels were Muslim....... Whenever they are at heavy bombardment, the rebels run to their Muslim brother.....why the non religious men run to nowhere...,.an they are caught in the middle the war.....


The Jos riot...... The largest group that died were not the tribal men nor religious group.....the dead were mainly innocent.....


And so many example I can gave.....

superhumanist:
My brother, let us not lie to ourselves. Religion is a problem and not a solution as far as Nigeria is concerned. The way we practice religion in Nigeria is just too much.

Go and see christians in Europe. They mind their business. They mostly do not tithe. Churches there dont disturb peace with loudspeakers and they pay tax. They are very discreet with miracles. They actually do proper charity that helps (not just giving bags of rice).

without love ,there can never be mercy...Nigerians as an individual are turning away from love...... Which is the main religion........

superhumanist:
Good question! Who religion don epp?

Well, it hasn't helped Nigeria come out of its zoo-ish nature

Nigeria is not a zoo.....pls stop painting my father land black......it is we the individual that are turning against the fundamental law of God(love)....



Who religion don EPP?

Religion don help the world as a society....some of the first societies to arise were based solely around a common religion. Without religion, it would have been extremely unlikely for humans to find any cultural common ground. Most early tribal peoples would have driven each other to extinction based on the belief that one group must be superior than the other. Religion provided the belief that humans are under a deity, and therefore equal (In the case of most religions).

Religion don help nigeria greatly...many benefits in our society exist today due to prevalent of religion...it provides a sense of unity for communities and most religions provide charity services at no expense to the state or the tax payer. Churches, Mosques, temple, and other forms of voluntary institutions are simply more able to provide aid to those in need than individuals or governments.

sKy007:
Who religion don epp?

Ask pope Francis jusk joking anyway....

It is better you don't sit on the fence.....

When you go to schools, it isn't because of the classroom nor chair and desk..... It is because of your personal enrichment...... When you join a faith to fellowship with....it isnt because of the religion but for purpose of association and recognition.....


If you are nether there nor here .....it is a problem.....you will not have a family to rescue in the days of trouble....


The slogan shall be go away...
We don't know you......

OkaiCorne:
I totally agree with your perspective... ,,, However I don't want to tag this supreme being with a specific name...

But I get your point perfectly...We are seeing the same TRUTH from different view points

The being can be called any name..you may even coined a name for him. So far the name those not render the being valueless among human

I prefer to call him ...olo du ma re(the owner of containers of creation and great blessing ) instead of the English name God...the word god itself is polluted and has little or no value....the word god can be translated to something like god father which we mean the father of of god or god mother which also the mother of god....some even say goddess which also mean female god. And so many degrading identity... If you can coined a name that you think it is not polluted then do so to call him...his identity is unknown....


As a traditionalist that is what I tell the pagans(Muslim and Christian in general)

OkaiCorne:
The summary of everything...

1) Give thanks to the Eternal one
2) Appreciate the means through which the Eternal one rendered assistance (which in this case is OtemAtum and his fellow volunteers)

The emphasis if this topic is people considering number 1 without the number 2 stated up there.

Cheers

i agree ,the means use by the most supreme to render the assistance also needs to be thank and appreciate

At times , the means may not even be human nor inanimate object. Water safe life, fire make your food eatable, iron is use for technology..... All this object also deserve praises in one way or the other...while giving absolute praise to olodumare(God)that make it possible...


This what the traditionalist do every blessed day......thanking the maker of life , the force of energy in the universe and lastly giving thanks to humans......

OtemAtum:
In about a year and half from now, a decision was made by the goverment. Whether local government or state government I cannot tell. A culvert was to be made at the side of the road, because a canal is right beside the expressroad. The culvert was made and all things go smoothly till today.

But today an accident struck. A BRT bus hit a danfo such that it tumbled and lay by its right side beside the road.It did not tumble into the canal because of the culvert made beside the road.

I as well as other passersby help the victims to come out of their buses, but none of them remembered to thank us or the culvert for rescuing them. They thank only Allah and Yahweh. A lady whom we helped came out and said, I shall do thanksgiving in my church.

Some of them snapped the buses because they say that they will use it to share testimony on the media and also in their religious gatherings.

Now tell me, who should be thanked in this situation? The culvert, the government who did the culvert and we who rescued them out of the damaged bus were not thanked, take note of this.

Richardbrandy, okaicorne, Dazzlingd, realmindz, hopefullandlord, dalaman, geoworldedu, felixomor, goodmuyis, iamgenius, wilgrea7, Muafrika2, johnydon22, 4kings, godsmopol

you thank the giver and taker of life whom the English call God ,the Arabs call Allah ,the Jews call Yahweh and me a Yoruba man call olodumare...

It is normal usage .....don't thank me ,thank God......

It is reasonable we thank whom originally make it possible before giving thanks to men .

Let me give you this scenario .

Assuming you were sponsor by your parent to the university to study law, you then proceed to law school and then end up doing solo practice with a big law firm and from there ,you rose to become a very famous attorney..


Note...you went through three hands...first your parent who were in charge of your finance and moral support in the law college, second the law school that build you academically for the degree and lastly the big law firm that equip you professionally and project whom you are of today...

In this scenario, whom among them do you think make your journey of becoming an attorney possible.. I agree all of them contribute... But without the former it will not be possible.

Therfore in any incidence of life, appreciation should be given to the giver of life who made it possible....

budaatum:
Shows how insidiously we've been fed information. This year marks the 500th year since Martin Luther stuck his 95 Theses on All Saints Church in Wittenburg and started the Reformation which led to the Protestant Church. He later went on to translate Jerome's Vulgate to vernacular German and freed people from the authority of the popes. Subsequent bibles in peoples languages followed and the wool blinding people to the truth got smaller. People are less fooled today, but there's a long way to go yet.

so true

vivvyo:
hello bro,
plx suggest a site where I could download philosophy book free, eBook or PDF
Thanks

are you running a degree in philosophy?

shukuokukobambi:
Exactly!! It was designed to favour their agenda. Africa and its natives were simply pawns in the whole matter.

neocolonialism

shukuokukobambi:
When was Wikipedia founded? In fact when was the internet founded?

Have you finally found a social studies text book for kids in Nigeria where that clarification you threw in was made?

infact I reason with you....

vivvyo:
hello bro,
plx suggest a site where I could download philosophy book free, eBook or PDF
Thanks

Bros ,I saw your email....but It seems I can't access my email for no

Am not a philosopher nor hold a degree in it .am just students seeking knowledge...

I will try and update this post with some of the books in my disposal...

shukuokukobambi:
And can you point to any social studies book that we used as kids or which the kids of today use that makes that distinction in bold?

Stop any kid on the street today, ask them that question and note how many of them make that distinction. I'll wager NONE!!

Those formative years are the most important in a humans life and the colonialists already own it lock, stock and barrel with all they drilled into us.

how was the social studies syllabus developed... At most it was design to honour the west...

shukuokukobambi:
And can you point to any social studies book that we used as kids or which the kids of today use that makes that distinction in bold?

Stop any kid on the street today, ask them that question and note how many of them make that distinction. I'll wager NONE!!

Those formative years are the most important in a humans life and the colonialists already own it lock, stock and barrel with all they drilled into us.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mungo_Park_(explorer)....

terrezo2002:
Babalawos is not a scam. He has knowledge that I must confess, but his knowledge is on stupid things. Learning to destroy people's lives and self destruction. I have told him to leave those ugly demons and come to Jesus Christ, but he refused and keeps following the devil that will not reward any of his labour.
Well, that's the path he has chosen, at least he is enjoying spirituality for the main time. He is better than the atheists who are just clueless about these things and don't know why they exist.
Psalm 49:20
Man that is in honour, and lacks understanding, is like the beasts that perish.

you called them demons....really? While you turn oyinbo gods to saviour. I have a word from your ancestors..... Dem say make I tell you say.....

THT80:
Learn how to write properly.

I know your star will aid you.and gladly you did.

Your own style of grammar writing has helps no one on this forum expect to relax your mental disorder that was cause due to one of the problem, i am highlighting

Your use of alcohol and drugs

You must have been under this condition for long ,if not you will not see public forum has a suitable place to spill your corrosive sperm you call an advice

Your Performance in school was very poor and you unnecessarily became a judgemental to any post you see.


Your lower self-esteem when people refuted your claim brilliantly and you hide under what is called panic attack.

Your stuvpidity has been identify, and you yourself has confirm to your own feelings of inadequacy, incompetence, and immature. But your low self exteem condition will not allow you to seek for help .you thought that needing help is an admission of inadequacy.

Psychologically, you have a mental health problem . I don't need to see you one and one before I can identify that symptoms in you.. You ability not to reason and felt like others is written bodly.. Seeking DNA-G2 test is the only alternative that may help you now.

THT80:
Matters of family and relationship are very crucial subjects. They are crucial because they deal with the lives of people. Whenever a problem arises from the home or between couples, such problem should be taken as an extremely serious and volatile one because if it is not handled properly, it could lead to the end of such relationship, or even worse. And the scars that would arise out of such outcomes may last through out the lives of the individuals involved and possibly even affect their children.

If all this is the case, and if we, as I suppose, understand how precariously balanced a problem or issue bothering on family or relationship is, why then are we quick to the proffer advice that we aren't competent enough to render?

I don't mean to denigrate the active users on this section, but from all the threads I have read, I have hardly come across any piece of advice that's worth applying. I think it was just in one case that I read something that didn't make me frown. Does this mean that no one on this section is smart enough to render the sort of advice one would find on foreign forums? Is this related to the pervasive claim that black Africans have lower IQs compared to other races, a claim I am trying so hard to reject? Why is it that almost all responses from users on this section bespeak of a low intelligence, a lack of healthy experience on the subject of marriage and a dangerous eagerness to air opinions, whilst lacking the cognitive capacity to realize that such opinions are inane?

And the poor content quality on this section isn't the only problem, there is also the problem of the poor writing. If you must offer an advice, please do it in proper written English. I've read a lot of responses on this section that bear a lot of similarity to the writing of a kid in nursery school. If you can't write properly then please don't hurt the sensitivities of people who enjoy reading properly written posts by uploading the pile of grammatical blunder you call a post.

Please, for the sake of the families and relationships of people who ask for advice, if you are incompetent to proffer a solution to their problems through written advice(and this is like more than 90% of the users on this section), please don't bother responding to such threads. These are real people with real problems and you shouldn't jeopardize their lives or escalate their problems with your ill-thought-out, preposterous advice.

may your star let you reply my post..

You are a bunch of error on nairaland.. Where the hell do you hail from? Do you tink you are smarter than many esteem nairalanders..

Your first post on religious section speak a lot about your impaired intelligence. Do you ignorantly think is about queen English? It is about your quality thinking and not grammar. In fact go to your peer which I assume are planning to write wassce and give them this your corrosive gibberish you call an advice..I told you earlier ,you need DNA-g2 test as quick as possible.

shukuokukobambi:
Sh!t!!

See me laughing at myself and other Africans. I never gave thought to this until I read this and now i ask myself if we'll ever be free? The white man left but we're still under colonisation. Marley asked us to free ourselves from mental slavery. Mehn, we have a long way to go but congrats budatum....you're at least one step ahead of I and plenty others.

mungo park discover river Niger to the western world. people were quite living there but they are not explorers...mungo park was a Scottish explorer.He was the first Westerner known to have travelled to the central portion of the Niger River, and his account of his travels is still in print till today.it doesn't mean people were not living there, butbit was unknown to the west.


America too was also discover by Christopher colombus .people then were living in america.but it was unknown to the western world until 1492 a continent which was previously unknown in Europe, leading to the colonization of the Americas.


History is very powerful...... When you forget or take it as a joke, you may be force to repeat the same mistake in it again

In actual sense, we don't really worship God, but God himself is worshipping us. How?

Look at the gift of life, Gift of the sunlight, what about the air we breath in and out, what of water..and last a planet that support life existence. This is enough to proof that God is serving us instead of us serving him. The only request he is expecting from us is obeyance.

budaatum:
The entire thread was a mind exercise. The errors were pointed out at the beginning but his premise of contingency was still entertained for the sake of discussion. He mixes up his subjective with objectivity is a huge flaw in his reasoning, but a subject he will gnaw on for awhile.

Work done here.

thanks you the oasis of knowledge. You were disturbed , you were disturbed when your evidence was counterclaim.


You were suprised how i identify a lot of postulation in your conjecture you term objective.

Anyway I like your gult.. ...

ZandhaZaraZ:
As in, ehn. I just had to give it up. It's an excercise in futility.

thanks ...just end up with this saying. An absence of evidence is not the same thing as absense of evidence..


Whatever. Your argument here is subjective to you as mine.

budaatum:
No one can show you your beliefs are absurd vaxx. The more evidence presented to you, the more your subjective view would blind you to your very own absurdity.

just like the way I consider your subjectivity to be absurd... You get the cruss.


Anyway thanks for your contribution.. It end up that way when there is no proof beyond logical fact..


You can't force me to agree with your subjective veiw when it fails to agree with my self knowledge (common sense)

ZandhaZaraZ:
Damn, nigga! Aishhh. JESUS IS LORD! I'm [color=darkgreen]TIRED[/color], bruh.

thank you.. Will meet again

budaatum:
Objectivity is a central philosophical concept, related to reality and truth, which has been variously defined by sources. Generally, objectivity means the state or quality of being true even outside of a subject's individual biases, interpretations, feelings, and imaginings. A proposition is generally considered objectively true (to have objective truth) when its truth conditions are met without biases caused by feelings, ideas, opinions, etc., of a sentient subject. A second, broader meaning of the term refers to the ability in any context to judge fairly, without partiality or external influence. This second meaning of objectivity is sometimes used synonymously with neutrality. Wiki


Subjectivity is a central philosophical concept, related to consciousness, agency, personhood, reality, and truth, which has been variously defined by sources. Three common definitions include that subjectivity is the quality or condition of:

Something being a subject, narrowly meaning an individual who possesses conscious experiences, such as perspectives, feelings, beliefs, and desires.[1]
Something being a subject, broadly meaning an entity that has agency, meaning that it acts upon or wields power over some other entity (an object).[2]
Some information, idea, situation, or physical thing considered true only from the perspective of a subject or subjects.[3]
These various definitions of subjectivity are sometimes joined together in philosophy. The term is most commonly used as an explanation for that which influences, informs, and biases people's judgments about truth or reality; it is the collection of the perceptions, experiences, expectations, personal or cultural understanding, and beliefs specific to a person. It is often used in contrast to the term objectivity,[1] which is described as a view of truth or reality which is free of any individual's influence. Wiki

I have deal with this in a numerous times ,read my op with clear and stable mind...

In philosophy, the classical argument for central objective is a prior knowledge. the knowledge of math. Mathematical proofs can be made without reference to experience. Which is still subjective,

The "hardness" or objectivity of a science is also related to its degree of quantification relative to math. And math is derived from logic. So in that sense logic is even more subjective and objective than math.hope you get the cruss

In practical use and most in science however, logic and math are not the only truth seeking factor, truth seeking factor can be obtain through self knowledge... Which is your sense , percivness and experience....


Your experience is largely related to emperical approach, a method suitable In science methodology.

budaatum:
Stop being stuck in water! We used it to illustrate how much research is necessary. You said water was hydrogen and oxygen. I posted what I considered to be evidence that there is a lot more to water than its constituent molecules and that the evidence came about through further extensive research.

my argument remain, thus... The chemical formulation of water is H20 and nothing remain bro...or do you have your subjective theory

budaatum:
Are you accusing me of being subjective by any chance?


Are you being subjective by any chance?

yes i am. That is the only method to share experience.

ZandhaZaraZ:
You so cherish your own pet theories that nothing else can "make sense" to you.

FOR THE LAST TIME, lizard-looking alien does not mean it is a lizard. You stated yourself that an airplane LOOKS like a bird - does that make it a bird? Or since some primates LOOK like humans, they must be humans too? I maintain that your argument is absurd and makes no iota of sense. But since you seem not to get the point, let me save you the trouble by simply refering to an INTELLIGENT ALIEN. That should make things easier, I believe.

I do not understand what you mean by the emboldened in maroon - you might do well to clarify.

Your point about prototypes is void. I already pointed out that numerous remarkable things have been CREATED by teams of collaborating humans. No one cares who among them was the first to come up with the idea. It's the process of creation that matters.

My last assumption was basically subjective, just like yours. JUST LIKE YOURS! That's the entire fúcking point! An ALTERNATIVE. You asked for an alternative to your assumptions. That's just you admitting that I'VE PROVIDED IT.

My assumptions have served their purpose. They make just as much sense as yours.

no Sir again, the thread is about pphilosophical dialogue meaning where you accept or be in line with the best statement by using(wisdom).

And fpr the last time alien lizard should share the similar characteristics with earth lizard..my common sense says so....an aeroplane was made in a resemblance of a bird....they both fly, dive, walk and perform better in the sky longer than the land....


Pls do not save my argument as absurd according to your speculation, bring falt in it and let me realised you are making more sense.they are way to do so .just the way I refute your alternative and am still doing it now.


I mean your understanding of the cause of the process is subjective just like mine. We are both entitled to our own opinion. But for me to acknowledged your opinion as more superb ,them you must have rebuke my own opinion which you have not done.



The issue you have here has been identify by you yourself. You do not care who among them is the take first step to create the prototype.... How will you care about the first causer, about the spark of he process..

You admit it . it is the process that matter not what spark the process


As for me I care about the first individual that start the prototype,i care about the first causer, and I also care about the process that spark the process.

You provide an assumption/opinion that can't be possible with my common sense...



Yes, your assumptions had /has serve its purpose but not to me but you. my common sense says your assumption can't be possible which I had provided..

ZandhaZaraZ:
You're desperately looking for ways to make your own assumption the ONLY possible answer. Lol.

A lizard-LOOKING ALIEN is different from a lizard on Earth, so your point is absurd.

Many intelligent beings can come together to create a Universe, the same way many intelligent humans have collaborated in the execution of numerous monumental projects. Another void point.

The creator CAN transform into a universe, if that's what he decides to do. You're not one to call it IMPOSSIBLE. That's absurd. At least, that's more credible than a creator who remained conscious after the creation process, since it would explain his LACK OF INTERVENTION.

And you're making a baseless claim again. A creator can die. An intelligent being can die. Humans are intelligent creators too, and they die as well. The universal creator isn't necessarily immortal or omnipotent. The ONLY reason why it was conjured up in the first place is to explain the creation of the universe. Conjuring up such a being is assumptive and speculative enough. Trying to assert his qualities with absolute certainty would be going OVERBOARD with the assumptions and speculations.

No, sir. I am looking despirately to seek for truth that will counter my claim .and therefore see my belive as absurd.but unfortunately no one has been able to do so.

A lizard looking alien can't be different from lizard earth. You call it lizard because it has every component of a lizard on earth... Therfore common sense will suggest they share the same characteristics... So my logic is valid imstead of absurd..


Muti inteligent being will be impossibles, here you attack your own argument. When yiu said alien lizard is diffrent from earth lizard though tjem look the same., going by your logic here it will be impossibel...an inteligent being is more diffrent from human on earth...

Futhermore, every prototype of a component is usually implement by single iindividual not majority..



And I am making a sensible claim, becuse, you have not rebuke the logic.human are intelligent creator but not as much as the most intelligent who has the prototype..
Air craft was built in a resemblance of a bird, the first car model has an animal model.there was an original work before the samples were copied by the lesser intelligent human.


Your last assumption is basically subjective just like mine. absence of evidence is not the same things as evidence of absence ...both are very different.


As far as your assumptions remain, it has not defeat my logic. And that make it sensible to me.unless you can proof otherwise.