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frosbel2:
Wrong!

Have you heard of the Sumerians?

I guess you guys are getting me wrong....am not talking of Hindu multi versions of gods neither whose first got the gods ideology here . i am talking about GOD and the direct relationship between him and man...the Jews were the first to have found GOD and made it documented in any religious history

yes i know Sumerians ., it is the language of ancient Mesopotamia the modern day Iraq

johnydon22:
Its official you have no idea what the Veda is

that is your observation sir in which i am not denying .....just go ahead and provide the first document of India Vedas first relationship/encounter with GOD...

johnydon22:
You obviously do not know about the Veda...

hmmm, do the vedas has a record that explain GOD personal encounter/ relationship with them like the Jews, the full story of GOD first encounter in the genesis goes thus.

One day in the Middle East about four thousand years ago, an elderly but still rather astonishingly spry gentleman took his son for a walk up a hill. The young man carried on his back some wood that his father had told him they would use at the top to make an altar, upon which they would then perform the ritual sacrifice of a burnt offering. Unbeknownst to the son, however, the father had another sort of sacrifice in mind altogether. Abraham, the father, had been commanded, by the God he worshiped as supreme above all others, to sacrifice the young man himself, his beloved and only legitimate son, Isaac.

An angel appeared, together with a ram, letting Abraham know that God didn’t really want him to kill his son, that he should sacrifice the ram instead, and that the whole thing had merely been a test. and this story birth the three main abrahimic religion(Christianity, Islam and the Jews)

can i have the historical account of veda encounter with GOD......

johnydon22:
What do you mean by the Jews were the first to find God in history, please explain better.

p.s: No long answer, make it as short as possible.

you do not want long answer, OK let me summarize what i mean.

the Jews were the first set of people to document an encounter with God, all other tribe only have the concept of God base on fear and admiration toward natural phenomenon......the record can be found in the book of GENESIS

Standardcosting:
Please let them know

potential boko haram sighted...... I am a traditionalist yet i dine with both Christian and Muslim during their festive period ......

Interesting and educating as well

frosbel2:
And there are over 1 billion Hindus , 1.8 billion Muslims and about 500 million Buddhists, so

Do you even get my post?

OgundeleT:
I am sure you just created all these from your head

NO, you are wrong ...i created it with my keyboard

Nwaoma198:
Becareful





tquot author=vaxx post=63631715]my bad, i apologize if i just step on your nerves. i never knew it will be thlkat hurt

:i will dear....now that i know how sensitive my post may seems to you

first of all we must acknowledged that the Jews are a nation of story telling, Jews were the first people to find God in history. They were the first to think in historical terms – of time as an arena of change as opposed to cyclical time in which the seasons rotate, people are born and die, but nothing really changes. Jews were the first people to write history(an account of event) if the account event of Jesus is entirely true , then adam , eve, satan and yahweh etc must also be entirely true, i failed to entirely agree that Jesus account event is entirely true ....it must have been alter or manipulated.....why?

TO verified the truthfulness of an account, it must be determined by these four basic factor : congruence, consistency, coherence, and usefulness.

• A true account is congruent with our experience – meaning, it fits the facts. It is in principle falsifiable, but nothing falsifying it has been found. One way we can infer that our story is congruent with the facts as we experience them is when what we experience is predictable from the story. But truth is always provisional, not an end state. When we discover new facts, we may need to change our story.

• A true account is internally consistent. It has no contradictions within itself, and it fits together elegantly. The principle of consistency (same as the principle of non-contradiction) allows us to infer things consistent with what we already know. An inconsistent story – one that contains contradictions – does not allow us to do this.

• All true account is coherent with everything else we consider true. It confirms, or at least fails to contradict, the rest of our established knowledge, where ‘knowledge’ means beliefs for which we can give rigorous reasons. The physical sciences – physics, chemistry, biology, geology and astronomy – all reinforce each other.

• A true account is useful. It gives us mastery. When we act on the basis of a true story or explanation, our actions are successful. What is true works to organize our thought and our practice, so that we are able to reason with logical rigor to true conclusions and to handle reality effectively. Truth enables us to exert our power, in the sense of our ability to get things done, successfully. It has predictive power, allowing us to make good choices concerning what is likely to happen.(Jon wainwright)


ALL the available account of Jesus event failed to agree with these basic factors


anyway if i must say, Jesus historical account made him the most successful Jews in the entire world , he propagate the gospel not only to his people but also to the Samaritans......he has a follower of about 2 billions on planet earth.,....people hold him in high esteem even more than their own biological parent.

how i wish Africa history is also well propagated , it will have shaped the world

Nwaoma198:
I am still very sure, u are still using the restroom......Please do come out cause I wan help reset ur crayfish brain

my bad, i apologize if i just step on your nerves. i never knew it will be that hurt

ScienceWatch:
HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO YOU AND THE FAMILY.
I have to respectfully agree that these are barbaric Atheist arguments Vaxx. Your point No 4 highlights the insanity of Atheism.
The "alleged" findings that Atheism is a mental disease suddenly spring to mind. Only a mad man can say, " Atheism provides a better alternative to religion.

Lets examine only one example of what Atheists mean when they say they have something better to offer humanity;

The modern day prophet of Atheism, Richard Dawkins has engineered the bleak future of Finland. Now children under 13yrs can never be taught about God or enter a church, but they encourage Men who lustfully penetrate other men's excrement to now LEGALLY Marry.

Now women can also marry women. Sales of battery operated Dongles/plasic joysticks is projected to be a top seller in Finland because of the modern prophet of Atheism's Satanic influence in this unsuspecting country.

These two point got me nauseating.....my Christmas chicken sir...... i prefer the laps

Unintelligent and foolish argument posed by atheists that must end before the 2017 Gregorian calender finally comes to an end.

The universe was accidentally created....

There is no scientific proof of the existence of God, therefore no God.......

Life purpose has no meaning


Atheism stand as a better alternative to religion....


Attacking an individual instead of the religion he or she practised.....

Religion is the cause of war.....


We say No to barbaric argument. .


Using this opportunity to wish nairaland Christians a happy Christmas.....

Yoruba civilization begins in the city of Ancient Ifé, the original home of the orishas themselves whilst they lived on Earth at the dawn of Homo Sapien emergence 300,000 years ago.

Ifé's rise as an imperial capital of an empire began in the mid 8th-century bce by a Nok prince named Oduduwa. At this time, Ife merchants became heavily involved with the Sahelian trading network that linked the kingdoms of Wagadu, Djenné, Sokoto, Nok, Sao, Darfur, Kush, and Daamat. Its primary trading goods were iron, gold, horses, textiles, and cattle.

By the 4th-century bce, Ife was as populous as Meroé and Waset (Luxor) in the Nile Valley. Ifé city was full of sublime architecture and monumental statues. It was the heartbeat of West-Central Africa for the next several centuries. It was not until the 14th-century when Islam became the dominant political-economic alliance in West Africa, that Ifé's imperial influence began to decline and their Yoruba empire fractured into numerous city-states.

ScienceWatch:
Hello VAXX, it is so refreshing to see a voice of REASON appear in the dark.

Yes Sir, your astute observations leave no room for doubt. My mother will be proud of you, she too believes that one must put their money where their mouth is.

The fact that you too, like Kingebukasblog has has made huge sacrifices in service of sane humanity paints a gloomy picture of Atheism,
It seems like their foundations are indeed made of STRAW. It is telling that even the greedy ones among them are too afraid to take up this history making, humanity unifying, spiritual and mentally enlightening challenges.

I will go view your challenge and maybe win the prize. Lol.

you are funny bro....the challenge isn't for you sir

ScienceWatch:
But is this not your interpretation of the previous manufactured interpretation that was interpreted for you ?

Just sign up for the Kingebukasblog's challenge
that way you won't be guilty of derailing an awesome thread, a thread that will go down in history as ground breaking. That's why I find it strange that the honourable VAXX has not come to greet us yet.

Bro , am here with you....the truth is the challenge can not be taken by any atheist who will be applying logic ,materialistic, non materialistic or scientific argument..... So which atheist will accept this challenge. And on what platform will he or she stand on.......i posted a challenge worth a one hunderd dollar too last two months but i was surprise i couldn't get an answer from most of the inteligent atheist here

Pierohandsome:
When America speaks that is the world talking. Who is United Nation minus America?

The world has spoken, there is nothing anybody can do

when America speaks , only America is talking and not the voice of the nations .....the united nations.... A tree can't do without a forest but a forest can do without an iroko tree..... America has recognised she is not a super power house anymore......

But Jerusalem isn't yet to be officially recognized by United nations as the isreal capital... Germany refused to accept Jerusalem as the official capital.... Donald trump only speak for America and not the world at large.

Religion nor science can't answer all questions only olodumare can do that .... Religion is just a tool used to spread the message...you can't have a school without curriculum and neither can you set up a country without constitution.... Religion is the vehicle that carry olodumare message....

Why science can't answer all question?

science is made of objectivity , but fails to address the subjective issue just like the consciousness experience...

Religion on the orther hand address out subjective issue by setting up a benchmark which every adherent must follow.....so a traditionalist like me sees orunmila and obatala as the best human to emulate in character that is lacking in science...

Scientific investigation of truth seeking can be dibided into two branches - “How” and “What”. And Science is very successful in the “How” part. But it fails in the “What” branch, initially Science manages to answer questions using the “reductive” (X is made up of Y) and the “relative” (X defined relative to Y) tactics. But eventually it hits the nonreductive dead-end. This means, Science can address only the “How” questions, but not resolve the “What” questions.

Science can explain how the big bang theory work but couldn't provide an answer to what cause it, science can explain how the evolution begin but couldn't provide an answer to what causes the evolution....

The reality is that the Jews and Arabs people are a nation of story teller and writer. They have brainwash the whole world that there culture, belive and god is the best ...... If you can write very well, you can change the heart of a millions.....it is unfortunate in africa, good orator and story telller are not common.....our religion will have shape the world history.....

plaetton:
Baloney.
Historically, the more Religious, the more oppressive, the more power in the hands of a few.

Religion , or the feeling of religiosity, not surprisingly, emanates from the most primitive part of our brains, and ironically the same region where our primal animalistic impulses like fear, selfishness, prejudice reside.
Not surprising that the most egregious abuses of human rights, corruption, racism and tribalism tend to go hand in hand with Religion zealousness.

On the surface, Religion , all Religions, portrays itself as mechanism for tempering the primitive and fiery impulses of the human psyche.
But deeper down , Religion has shown to have a much greater tendency to inflame and exacerbate those primitive impulses for which it promotes itself as the antitode.

Take Nigeria for good example.
How do you rationalize that the most Religious nation in the world is also a failed state, and the most Corrupt nation in the world ?

you are biased in your argument.....religion mission was not to colonize or manipulate the weak but a solution to Very interesting and rational questions humanity find it difficult to answer.

God (the Creator) intended religion (spirituality) to be an integral part of the existence and life of the first primate.

We as human are one of the creature with inteligence mind. We possessed free will and obedience to our creator's instruction is by choice..later man with this inteligent mind build a mordern day society’. Cities were created , man also create their own purposes for existence, ambitions, hopes, destinies, provisions. With ever advancing (modern) societies where man thinks super-natural God is unnecessary. The man I mean here are the atheists....

The confidence in man-made modern cultures tend to replace the awareness of the futility and brevity of human life and the need for meaning and hope beyond the grave. Man-made society also tends to blind men to the supernatural nature of birth itself and the improbability of life, which demand super-natural answers.

Religion will still be importance and still exists in the minds and hearts of men because we are more than animals governed by instinct and environment; we are endowed with thought, language, reason, dreams, the ability (responsibility) to examine our own being and ask how, why in the first place, and who, what Power is responsible for this. When men believed they have found that Power they will pay homage.

Do you have an alternative to religion....
Am sure your best answer will be No. No because human societies decay, they can NEVER replace religion in the estimation of thinking men.

dalaman:
Oduduwa from the middle east? That's a new one.

I've always wanted to ask. Do Indians, Chinese and Japanese consider themselves decendants of Adam and Eve?

the true history was alterd to favour abrahimic religion..... So that Yoruba can see themselves close to the foreign religion....

Most yoruba themselves believe oduduwa is from the "Mideast." Which is a false teaching. A visit to ile ife will have put paid to all the questions.it is worth the while .

I want to make it clear in my last post, yes I acknowledge that Oduduwa travelled to the Nile Valley and joined the Kushite army to fight Asiatics, however, he was NOT from Kush. Just as Europeans often join other Europeans as allies against a common foreign enemy, so did other Africans join the Kushites against the Asiatics.

Oduduwa is NOT from the "Mideast" or even the Nile Valley (which is Africa, not the Mideast). He is indigenous to Ancient Nigeria and was a prince of the Nok civilization. In antiquity, Ife was a part of the Nok civilization (as were the Hausa and Igbo). Oduduwa did not bring civilization from the Nile to Nigeria, for Ancient Nigeria already had civilization, one much older than Kemet.

However, the Ancient Nigerians were too peaceful because they did not have many wars. This is good but it is problematic if Asiatic or European barbarians come to ravage the land. What Oduduwa brought was the first militaristic government, not the first government (which was egalitarian under the elders of Obatala).

People are often confused about Oduduwa because he seems to overlap with Obatala. This is because they don't understand what Oduduwa is in IFA.

Oduduwa was once a man who saw that there was something chaotic about the world and that his world was in danger. He lived during the 8th-century bce when the Asiatics were rivaling Kemet and Kush for power. The Meshwesh (northwest Africans) were allying with the Asiatics and causing Lower Kemet to become a disaster zone. As the gates of Africa, Lower Kemet had to be secure. Something had to be done.

Oduduwa then joined the Kushite army of Piankhi and fought against the Asiatics. He saw that he must protect the gates of Africa (lower Kemet) because if the Asiatics got in, they would war all the way to West Africa.

Oduduwa returned to West Africa and established the first organized military-government. Before this, the nations had no military but were lead by a council of peace driven elders (Obatala). Though peace is cute, it is utopian and unrealistic. It had to be replaced by something more useful.

This replacement was not pure war, but a balance between peace and war. This is why Oduduwa's name means "Olu Dudu Iwa," or "Black Lord of Balanced Character."

Become Oduduwa, Become the Balance that brings change.

purem:
What's your meme is tryna say?

Thought yhur a theist

No I belong to my root

Picture speak more than a thousands words

Mynd44:
Same reason why Christians do. Even Jesus sacrificed his blood.

Please!

no sir , Christianity emphasized on purification of the soul which animal blood can not offer except Jesus which has the purified blood. "Just think how much more the blood of Christ will purify our consciences from sinful deeds so that we can worship the living God. For by the power of the eternal Spirit, Christ offered himself to God as a perfect sacrifice for our sins." (Hebrews 9:14)

Metrobaba:
Blood Are Often Used To Appease The gods and pave way for whatever.......

wrong assumption,, it is a symbolic ritual..... No gods drink blood.....the blood sacrifice is largely ceremonial......

It is widely known that orisha rituals sometimes consist of the sacrificing of animals. The animals are usually eaten by the attendees at the ceremony, while the blood is ceremonially put on sacred objects.

This intricate and symbolic ritual's first emphasis is to feed the community. The formal sacrifice of the animal is primarily as a ceremonial "thank you" to the animal for sacrificing its life so that people can eat. Europoids kill far more animals than Africans because their diet consists of much more meat; they just don't have the respect for the animal to have a ceremony where they thank the animal for its sacrifice.

The use of the animal's blood in IFA spirituality is symbolic. Some get confused by this and think the blood is the actual carrier of asé(authority) because it is so emphasized in the rituals. Animal blood does NOT carry any magical asé to solve your problems. It is SYMBOLIC of the essence of one's own blood, which fuels the body. You die when you lose too much blood. The proper circulation of blood thru your body gives you the energy to accomplish your goals. Thus, blood is symbolic of asé itself, the power to do. However, this is referring to blood that is living within you, not to the dead blood of a sacrificed animal, which is only symbolic of your blood.

Hier:
Ops, why are you obsessed with western education

As a matter of fact, it wasn't like our fore fathers believe in the nonexistence of a diety.

They believed in sth, though, they came to taste Christianity and they testified to its goodness

the question the op posted is very logical...let me repeat and rephrase it here again ...why are African native born obsessed with the Christian Bible....


Christanity just like islam was also sholved down the belly of our forefathers...christanity was introduce to africa through a combination of gun, education and old fashion pride.....it goes thus

The first thread of Christian convertee were the free slaves who came along with Christian missionary

The second thread were the second class citizens of the society (OSU in Igbo language or the very poor family)who converted massively to Christianity just to cover their shame...


Why the last thread was the establishment of a centralized education....

Africans were not lliterate as the west may made you to think.. Though we may not have centralized system like that of the west, but we are actually not dumbed..... The west found a balance system of governance and administration in Yoruba land when they came ......we have our house of parliament which are the oloyes , we have judicial system which are the ogbonis.....this judicial system check and balance the power of oba(the president) and so on....

UncleSnr:
Nigerians!!! Nigerians!!! Nigerians!!!

Let's try our spiritual and physical best to avoid these countries that have made a pact with the devil by recognizing marriage equality. We are better than these countries, we are wiser than their citizens, we are richer economically, we have free healthcare, we have quality education, we have a higher life expectancy etc because we have chosen to side with god ... which god I'm I talking about? Any god that sanctions death on homosexuals......

Here are the countries we must avoid so we don't end up as unfortunate as they are...

Argentina
Australia
Belgium
Brazil
Canada
Colombia
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Iceland
Ireland
Luxembourg
Malta
Mexico
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Portugal
South Africa
Spain
Sweden
United kingdom
United States
Uruguay

These countries are currently receiving the wrath of the lord, avoid these countries....God bless you brethrens as we continue hating on homosexuals and homosexuality.

Please pay your tithes to avoid divine curses ��

op do you know that the rate of succide in Europe far outweigh that of Africa...... Despite their technological advancement and human development.... They don't think twice before taking their own precious life..... Why ? they have this particular atheist mentality which says life purpose is similar to like asking for what is the purpose of cup of tea........

Most of the European counties including usa are socially and morally broken....racism is still much relevant, drug abuse is skyrocketing, pedophile and beastiality are common....... Africa has her own challengjes too but way better morally than europe.....

NPComplete:
The existence of Aliens will not affect anyone's belief in any way. People will always try to rationalize it.

no , it will have a serious implications, The Freedom From Religion Foundation, which promotes the division between Church and state, asked Nasa to revoke the grant to study the develpmet and threatened to sue if Nasa didn’t comply. While the FFR stated that their concern was the commingling of government and religious organisations, they also made it clear that they thought the grant was a waste of money. “Science should not concern itself with how its progress will impact faith-based beliefs.”serious implications with the abrahimic religion........NASA will have achieved this Development for long..... You can Google FFR