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MiddleDimension:
The bible says: ''Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these...'' John 14 vs 12.

What's your point again?

You verily got it.

That man is bound by his Creator's Law which does not bind his Creator.

So your bringing in greater things does not counter the Law.

For the issue is not about greater things but that the Law of the Creator to His creation does not apply to Him

Oduok:
Sending kids to holiday lessons makes no sense.

Most of you will make your kids go to school till they become useless. You took them to school at age 3 and abandon them there. During long vacation you still send them to school. To do what?

Can't you spend time to bond with your kids? What exactly are they going to achieve in school during vacation? Vacation lesson only favour school owners, not you. Allow kids rest for God's sake.

If you should engage kids during long vacation then teach them skills. Enrol your kids in centres that they can learn practical computer usage, coding, programming, painting and decoration, catering, musical instruments. Let them learn martial art, how to shot guns, how to wrestle. Teach them something beyond pure academics.

If a school should organize long vacation class then it should gear towards extra curricula activities - debate, modelling, music concert, science fair, mini project. How would you call kids back to school during holiday to learn Math, English, Chemistry, Social studies, accounting, by same teachers that taught them during school period. What is the difference? If these teachers knew what to teach why didn't they do it during normal school session.

Education is beyond memorizing facts. Give your kids opportunity to develop and be better prepare for life.

Well said.

But truth be told, parents know these, however they are either Lazy and do not want to go through the pains of raising children as their parents before them did and are passing it on to Schools or they really do not care to train nor even want to train or a busy fighting to survive and do not see training as important anymore.

Kudos to those who are still training their children for all men shall give account of their stewardship.

He has started with the a Lie already

Dtruthspeaker:
Sentimental and emotional blackmail that does not even work when men are serious with judgment is what he is pleading.

A case of banditry should be a way of life because people have done it .

Well, it is known that a thief must look for d'fences to cover and injustify his stealing.

MiddleDimension:
when I quoted you as can be seen in the attached screenshot below, you said verbatim: ''The law of one man one wife, is for man and applies to man...it CANNOT and DOES NOT apply to man's Maker/Law Giver and Lord whom Jesus is to us''

First of all, you made two propositions there: ''the law of monogamy IS for man and APPLIES to man''. 

The other proposition is: ''It (monogamy) CANNOT an DOES NOT apply to man's maker...god or jesus etc.

It is important to note here that you have not given an evidence for these bogus claims of yours! Why did you say that? Every claim DEMANDS an evidence

I will say that again:

Every claim demands an evidence!!

One more time:
EVERY CLAIM DEMANDS AN EVIDENCE!!!

So, provide evidence to back up those claims you have made in proposition 1 and 2.

Simple!

The Law that applies to man (creation) does not apply to his Creator.

Which is why you can order your phone not to accept any other user save you and it is bound to do your will or suffer the consequences.

But you are not bound by that Law.

Thus you can have as many phones as you please, showing the truth of this assertion.

Christ Himself proved the Law by walking on water, causing a tree to wither and die just by speaking to it, amongst other things, no creation has ever done.

MiddleDimension:
Now, to answer your question about how the bible disagrees with you.

My brother, I have already done it in the post you quoted and told me the marriage between a man and a woman IS NOT  a mirror of the marriage between you and god.

That post of mine was basically saying that the dynamics of christian marriage man and woman including among other things, the number of spouses a man can have and that which a woman can have, is a mirror of the relationship between god and Israel, Jesus and his church, or Jesus and you, the born again. After all, are you not the same ones who always insist on having a ''personal relationship'' with god?

What is my evidence for saying the marriage between a man and a woman is the same as the marriage between god and his church? 

Let me show you!

I will repeat what I quoted in that post again and let me let the independent seeker of truth be the better judge.
So, once again, What is my BIBLICAL EVIDENCE for saying the marriage between a man and a woman is a MIRROR of the marriage between god and his church? 

1. God's instruction to Hosea:
Hosea was instructed by god to go and take a wife and let their relationship be a reflection of the relationship between god and his people Israel. Your bible says: "When the Lord first spoke to Israel through Hosea, he said to Hosea, 'Go and get married; your wife will be unfaithful, and your children will be just like her. In the same way my people have left me and become unfaithful.” Hosea 1 vs 2.

2. The Book of The Song of Solomon
The Book of the Song of Solomon is basically a book with two people: a man and a woman singing love songs to each other. Now even though it contains pornographic contents, It is still found among the canon of scriptures which you call the "word of god". contents like:

"take me away with you—let us hurry!
Let the king bring me into his chambers.

13 My beloved is to me a sachet of myrrh
resting between my breasts." Song of Solomon 1 vs 4 and 13.

 "Your breasts are like two fawns,
like twin fawns of a gazelle

16 Awake, north wind,
and come, south wind!
Blow on my garden,
that its fragrance may spread everywhere.
Let my beloved come into his garden
and taste its choice fruits." Song of Solomon 4 vs 5 and 16

''Your stature is like that of the palm,
and your breasts like clusters of fruit.
8 I said, “I will climb the palm tree;
I will take hold of its fruit.”
May your breasts be like clusters of grapes on the vine,
the fragrance of your breath like apples,
9 and your mouth like the best wine. Song of Solomon 7 vs 7-9 and so on.
The book of the song of Solomon is so pornographic, it is hardly read in church.

So, why is pornography found in the 'word' of a supposedly holy god?

The Jewish Theory
In Qabbalah, Jewish mysticism, the book of the Song of Songs is seen as a dialogue between god and Israel and that the aim of the book is not to pàss a sexual or erotic message. It is often said that the expression of love between the man and the woman is just a mirror of the love god (the man) has with Israel (the woman) (Loprieno, 2005, P107; Sara et al, 2007)

The Christian Theory
In much the same way too, the christian church did the same thing the Jews did with the Song of Solomon but this time instead of seeing the woman as Israel, the church sees itself, or the individual christian as the woman. So, its excuse for letting a pornographic content into the word of a 'holy' god, is that it could be seen as an allegorical representation of god and the church, or god and the individual christian where god is the man and the church or You @vdestro, is the woman (Alfred, 2003). The famous 3rd century christian, Origen, in his "Homilies on the song of song", aired the same idea. Origen, by the way, was heavily influenced by the teachings of Clement of Alexandria, a disciple of Peter, the one whom Jesus told to feed his sheep (Chapman,1908).

3. Ezekiel 16 vs 8-14 Good News Bible.
Here, it can clearly be seen that the relationship between god and Israel is likened to the marriage relationship between a man and a woman. verse 8 of Ezekiel 16 says: "As I passed by again, I saw that the time had come for you to fall in love. I covered your naked body with my coat and promised to love you. Yes, I made a marriage covenant with you, and you became mine.” This is what the Sovereign LORD says.


4. Isaiah 54:5
“For your husband is your Maker,
Whose name is the Lord of hosts;
And your Redeemer is the Holy One of Israel,
Who is called the God of all the earth.''

But what about the new testament? does it also indicate that the marriage between a man and a woman is a mirror of the relationship between god and his church or the individual christian?

Let me show you!

5. 2 Corinthians 11:2
For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.

6. Revelation 19:7-9
Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready.” It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he *said to me, “Write, ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.’” And he *said to me, “These are true words of God.”

7. Revelation 21:2
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.

These verses and the many more I cannot give here due to time, prove beyond reasonable or christian doubt that the marriage between a man and a woman IS A MIRROR OF THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN GOD AND ISRAEL, JESUS AND THE CHURCH, OR GOD/JESUS AND THE INDIVIDUAL SOUL. Whoever disagrees with me should present his position together with EVIDENCE, BIBLICAL OR OTHERWISE, and show that they are superior in revelation to the ones I have given here.


having proved that relationship between god and israel, jesus and the church, and god/jesus and the indivual soul/christian is the same thing as the marriage between a man and his wife, Can we now proceed to proving that just as god is the groom of you @vdestro, he can also be the groom of the dtruthspeaker, Oyakhilome, Adeboye, etc, all at the same time, a man can also be the groom of more than one wife at the same time.

First of all, if all of the places where the relationship between god and man is compared to the marriage between a man and a woman, god is the one who is ALWAYS PRESENTED AS THE MAN, while the individual or the church is the one that is always presented as the woman. I am not the one making this up, it is your bible and any other relevant source that is saying it. Therefore, do you direct your arguments at me, do it with your bible.

Paul was talking to the individual christians that make up the church in Corinth here when he said in 2 Corinthians 11:2 that "For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I betrothed you to one husband, so that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin.

The "you" Paul mentioned there, is refering to the individuals in the church of corinth. Do you, @vdestro, disagree with this too? Because god knows that this also means that a man can have more than one wife and that has not broken anything holy and divine in his sight, is why HE HIMSELF GAVE DAVID MORE THAN ONE WIFE. Or you would like to deny god himself gave david his wives? Here is the biblical prove:

Nathan said to David. “And this is what the LORD God of Israel says: ‘I made you king of Israel and rescued you from Saul. 8 I gave you his kingdom and his wives

This has sufficiently answered your question. If you have an objection, you can present it and show that your proposition is superior in revelation to the ones I have given herein.

By the way, please do not fail to respond to those propositions of yours I pointed out.

I have given you the courtesy of responding to your demand of showing you how the bible disagrees with you; you should now give me the same courtesy I have given you, by giving evidence for your propositions 1 and 2. the evidence can come from sacred scriptures or sacred traditions, if you are a catholic, which I do not think you are seeing you used the expression "the law of..."

References:
1. Chapman, Henry Palmer (1908). "Pope St. Clement I" . In Herbermann, Charles (ed.). Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. 4. New York: Robert Appleton Company.

2. Loprieno, Antonio (2005). "Searching for a common background: Egyptian love poetry and the Biblical Song of Songs". In Hagedorn, Anselm C. (ed.). Perspectives on the Song of Songs. Walter de Gruyter. ISBN 978-3-11-017632-2

3. Japhet, Sara (2007). "Rashi's Commentary on the Song of Songs: The Revolution of Prashat and Its Aftermath" (PDF). Rashi: The Man and His Work: 199.

4. Norris, Richard Alfred (2003). The Song of Songs: Interpreted by Early Christian and Medieval Commentators. Eerdmans. ISBN 978-0-8028-2579-7.

@joagbeje @donnie what do you think?

All of these are just a repetition of your post to dtruthspeaker.

They do not answer your assertion that the Bible disagrees with my statement to wit that the law of one man, one wife applies to man and not his Creator.

Dtruthspeaker:
See! Failure again cannot answer. Thought you found a reasonable ground and cover to hiderun your sins of greedy filthy liusts!

No mind the ole two wives.

He said Bible disagrees yet he did not say how, i am interested in the how.

MiddleDimension:
says you even though your bible disagrees.
shior!

How does the Bible disagree with my statement?

MiddleDimension:
You bible always liken man and woman marriage relationship to the relationship between god and israel; christ, the groom, and the church, his bride. He also likens the relationship between god or christ and the individual born again. Your bible reports that your god told Hosea to go and marry a woman, and their marriage relationship is going to be a reflection of the relationship between god and israel. The book of the song of Solomon is included in the canon of the scriptures despite it having what could be described as pornography, simply because the man and woman singing love songs to one another, can be regarded as god and Israel, christ and his church, or christ and the individual christian. Paul is another person who likens the relationship between a man and his wife to that between god and the individual christian. He said ''just as christ is the head of his church, so too is the man the head of the woman''.

Now, since I have ESTABLISHED that the relationship between the man and the woman is always likened to the relationship between jesus and the individual christian, it is now obvious how ''the two shall become one'' is not violated by polygamy.

When you, Dtruthspeaker, accepted to ne married to jesus and he became your husband while you became his wife, another person could also accept the same jesus and when he does so, jesus becomes that person's husband WHOLE AND ENTIRE, even as he still remains your husband WHOLE AND ENTIRE! The two of you, jesus and you, became ONE when you accepted him as your lord and saviour just as he becomes ONE with your brother in the lord when he accepted the christian faith. This is all in line with the teachings of the bible when it said: ''whoever is united with the lord, is one in spirit with him''. 1 Cor 6:17 and similar passages.

@joagbaje @donnie what do you think about this?

The Law of one man, one wife is for man and applies to man.

It can not and does not apply to man's Maker/Law Giver and Lord whom Jesus is to us.

Ken4Christ:
Only five of the synonyms do not carry negative connotations. The rest of them carry negative meaning which is a pointer to the fact that the law really had a negative effect on the Jews.

Dtruthspeaker

I corinthians 6:9/10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, nor liars, nor deceivers, nor children of disobedience,...shall inherit the kingdom of God.

And it is The Law that declared all these things unrighteous.

Thus can God Judge unrighteousness without The Law?

Romans 2:2 has already answered you
But we are sure that The Judgment of God is AGAINST THEM WHICH COMMIT SUCH THINGS.

Wilgrea7:
2) ARGUMENT FROM ORIGIN (UNIVERSE FROM NOTHING) ...The universe came into existence 14 billion years ago. The universe cannot come into existence from nothing. Therefore, it must have been created. Therefore god exists. This argument is again flawed for a number of reasons.

1) There's no evidence to believe the universe came from nothing. ..

If you build a chair today, the chair, as it is defined, comes into existence today, sunday the 30th. However, you will agree with me that the materials for the chair have been in existence long before today. Just because the chair started existing today, and didn't exist yesterday, doesn't mean it was created from nothing. It only means it was created from "a different something"...

Wrong Again!

First, WE HAVE THE EVIDENCE ALREADY THAT NO THING IS CAPABLE OF BRINGING ITSELF INTO EXISTENCE, AS PROVEN BY YOUR CHAIR EXAMPLE BY YOUR WORDS " IF YOU BUILD A CHAIR TODAY".

You have automatically admitted and confessed that a chair can never ever build itself.

Secondly, our Proof of God shows that it was on and at a certain period of time that He Came and issued a command, commanding that the earth which is in the universe, built, exactly how the owner of a land goes to his land to command that his house be built.

Thus, haviing ownership of the house earth, proves that He must be presumed to be the owner of the land called universe.

Its as simple as that. No flaw, no error.

So again you are Wrong!

Wilgrea7:
2)
2) It pushes the problem upwards again. Let's assume the cause of the universe was a god. Where did that god come from?

Where God comes from is not the same as proving that God does not exist. It is even rather that you have admitted that He exists which is the issue in focus and not where He comes from or how He came to be, which is a separate issue. Hence why i would always say that you have changed post and gone past the target and destination.

SO, AGAIN, YOU HAVE NOT MADE A VALID OBJECTION AND THEISTS ARE VERY RIGHT TO RAISE THIS AND YOUR NUMBER 3 (FIRST CAUSE) IS JUST A RE-REPETITION OF THE FIRST 2.

Thus, you have no valid objection to the cases theist have made.

Wilgrea7:
1) ARGUMENT FROM COMPLEXITY

This is one of the most common arguments used by theists, and as a former theist, this was one of the arguments I liked to make reference to. But it is incredibly flawed in a number of ways. It goes a bit like this.

"look at everything around you.. the starts, planets, atoms, universe.. literally anything. It is incredibly complex. Too complex to not have been created" ... or "it is too complex to arise from nothing"... and the logic that follows is that there must be a god. A god must have created this.

Unfortunately, this logic doesn't explain complexity. It only shifts it one step higher. Let me explain.

A God, if it exists, is also a thing. this god is said to be even more complex, with holy books saying we can never understand this entity. Its ways are above our ways. Whether or not it has a form or shape, the very concept of what it is supposed to be, makes it undeniably complex.

If we need a reason to explain why the very complex universe exists, then we also need a reason to explain why an even more complex god would exist.

You cannot answer the question of complexity with more complexity. That'll only move the question upward. Why does a more complex god exist. Why can a more complex god exist?..

Correction!

The argument is on God therefore the target and destination is to reach God.

Therefore, when we reach God, we have arrived at our destination and target. Thus, you will be the one who is wrong in going past God and thus you are the one shifting the argument.

Of which God is not a thing and for you to say this means that you know God and if you knew God, then you would not be asking if He exists.

SO YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG HERE!

Maynman:
Which lord house?

The Lord Who owns the house already owns it and if it is not another lord's own, then that one has his own house.

At least now the world knows that you are a devil.

Maynman:
That’s what it means.
What’s the origin of the word “church”?

According to the books of devils.

Google already shows
Origin
Old English cir(i)ce, cyr(i)ce, related to Dutch kerk and German Kirche, based on medieval Greek kurikon, from Greek kuriakon (dōma) ‘Lord's (house)’, from kurios ‘master or lord’.

Image123:
Oh i see why you hope for aliens, lols. Comedian.

Mumu comedian wey be devil.

TenQ:
Many of them are full of zeal o!
But in ignorance.
Just as they've been decieved, they decieved others.
Half of them don't read the Qur'an in any language they understand. They would by Arabic Qur'an just to show they have a religion but what is the essence of carrying a book you cannot read.

I dont think so, they love what Satan sells.

LordReed:
LoLz! The god that doesn't know what humans don't know. Bwahahahahaha!

See as Devil don Change Post as e no fit answer. Loser. hahahahahahaha

TenQ:
Unfortunately they don't know that satan works covertly...

They know. They just dont want God while they love Satan, even if he kills them.

TenQ:
The more reason why Islam cannot be separated from politics and governance.
This is where the power and wealth through corruption is used to fund the warriors of Islam and Allah.

Those at the top know that Islam is a means to an end. This is why Islam and poverty of the masses are synonymous. There must always exist foot soldiers to do the dirty work of stealing, killing and destruction in the name of Allah and his Messenger

Yes, that's very right!

Shokoloko:
Bro, no there is no verse in the new testament that allows us put our swords through anyone .
Lol, we will leave that to the Judaism of the old testament.
I appreciate your zeal.

My sis, Judaism is not Christianity nor the religion handed down by Moses.

It is the thing created by the jews since they did not want God's Way (Christianity) as God had given to Moses which Christ brought back and became an example for the last time, since they did not listen to Moses or the prophets, Mark 7:7-9.

Also, it is in the new testament that we should carry a sword, and of course a sword is not borne in vain, also Said in the new testament.

Shokoloko:
Calm down.
If you are a Christian the bible says to season your speech with salt.
You can't go around insulting your brother in the name of defending the bible or Christianity.
If you are not a Christian please carry on

True!
But that is for reasonable folks who are trying to understand our way.

But for devils, we must put our sword through them and cut them down. That also the bible commanded that we must do, if we are Christians.

And a devil is not my brother.

My brother is one who loves God and keeps His Commandment.

Shokoloko:
Very correct.
It is even obvious that the people understood the blueprint/ plan and they did not want it.
Their comments prove that they knew they were supposed to move around "....lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.”

Exactly!

They were aware of His Commandment and were trying to disobey and frustrate God's Plan.

Cybertroll:


Black Africans and defending a borrowed God who's anti-civilization

Yet you woke up on your own to attack it. No one forced you.

But because now you see that you are fooling yourself with your stupid attack as you no longer had any sensible thing to say, you now resorted to insulting him because you could not defeat his argument.

Glowry be to God. Good work Emusan.

Cybertroll:
Which Bible did you read?

What makes you think God was pro-exploration? Next time, read.

If God wanted to create different languages, he could have easily done so without hindering their progress.

Besides:

That is how God will continue to always hinder your progress till you die, blasphemous child of Satan.

MightySparrow:
Space exploration is not a problem to God. He was angry because the then people were working against God's agenda of spreading to cover the earth. Now, there are no places on earth that are not belongings to a people on the world map. In fact we are working towards colonizing Moon and Mars. If it is against his idea, He will still prevent one way or the other.

They were rebelling and disobeying Him. Man just loves death.

Shokoloko:
It was not a punishment.
God never said the idea was bad. It was not just the right time
Apparently, the passage shows that God wanted them scattered all over the face of the earth. God wanted exploration of the earth first. They did not want that - they wanted to stay in Shinar (no movement). That is not how to replenish the earth which was the blueprint given to Adam.

Exactly! It was not exactly a punishment. Maybe a punishment of dissapointment and futility but we know that when God punishes, it must be hot and very painful, so i agree with you that this was not a punishment.

Cybertroll:
Yet God has no problem with aeroplanes, jets, rockets, satellites, the international space station, and so one. In other words, God is perfectly okay with space exploration. Yet God was 'intimidated' watching the people build the tower of Babel, a city which would reach heaven....

Fool! Did all these not happen after He Said it is finished" and thereafter He has not Spoken again?

Only fools never learn that silence follows a storm

LordReed:
LoLz! How can the god talk about places we don't know when the god is limited by our own knowledge? Bwahahahahaha!

How can God talk about other places when they do not have any business or connection with us, as He has already set it to be, lordevil?

Danielomisco, Preciousee are you seeing this demon and Satan rep?

Danielomisco:
I'm telling you,there's a propaganda.Anything else aside us is demons.

Satan has to ensure that people perish with him in the fire.

preciousee17:
Ah, you're catching up with the propaganda that the rulers of this earth are preparing...

I was wondering why no one raised this concern so plainly till now

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LordReed:
Not entirely but it would mean the version of a god that created humans as the only intelligent lifeforms capable of complex thought and feat doesn't exist.

Wrong, Satan!

God only Spoke about our world and the things that affect our world and our creation.

He did not talk about other places we do not know.

chucks185:
they could be trying to make sense of existence too.

I dont think animals and birds are reasoning their existence. They look like they dont care. They are just happy to be happy.

And they are with us existing.

Cybertroll:


Honestly, assuming we were to make contact with aliens, would that mean there's no God? Or would nothing change for you?

No, it would not for God would still be God.

However, as already seen, God is already proven True as there is no alien.