Neplusultra:
I don't tink it's a good idea letting everything out here, Dis information is too confidential for public consumption! Secondly, you shouldn't waste your time replying some monikers here knowing fully well who they are, just ignore please!

i will heed to your advice

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I am not here to argue with you or say what i dont know. i never said we will not involve the different states. i only meant that we wont involve them in the monetary part of the project. it is different. the major way it will the neighbouring communities is when we dredge wide. i pray we dont dredge wide. dredging deep will only affect the communities in abia state because the surge flow will splash into their communities. that is what i am saying

nwanlecha:
Lol. I will definitely make a contribution where necessary. This is not just my area of expertise, so I am quietly learning from you guys who obviously know a thing or two, about how this laudable project can be achieved.

no wahala.

when it is time, we will discuss better

see humans

What everyone needs to understand is that, the eastern region is a relatively small region. Many people may say then, it is a problem. Oh no, it isnt. it is a blessing in disguise. the region is the most strategically located region in nigeria. abia state for instance can connect every other parts of the eastern region within an hour. if you are very intelligent, then you should know what that means in terms of economic capability of the region. what is produced in abia can get to anambra within an hour.

No state in the east that is not blessed:

Anambra state: oil, agriculture, coal, iron ore and very large human capital development
imo: oil, iron ore, agriculture and human capital development
enugu: very large deposit of coal and human capital development
Abia: oil, agriculture, and very large capital development.
ebonyi: home of eastern agriculture, limestone and human capital development.



we have other igbo groups i wish not to mention for the sanity of this thread. but in all, we wont beg, we will live well

matrixme:
Even if you succeed in bringing all the igbo states an inch to the sea, with all its economic advantages, What would form the bulk of your export? Since your commercial cities are known more for imports than export. Do you really have the population advantage as a tribe to sustain yourself economically? Even China with its massive population size has recently abandoned one child policy for obvious reasons. Forming a country sounds good, abstractly, but it is tough work in reality.

you should think #east first, then you will know what will be done.

nwanlecha:
Nsogbu adiro! Ya burukwa Ife i kwulu. Anyway, y'all should carry on I am really enjoying this thread.

nne, nsogbu adiro

it is not by enjoying the thread. it is by working towards making it a reality.

lygn19:
Vickjames I will send u a message... I think I have a perfect way we can raise fund for this. I am a graduate of finance and banking and this is my aspect.

this is excellent. I have ideas too.

we can make things work.

nwanlecha:
I wonder how you think you can succeed by leaving your fate in the hands of those who have done everything humanly possible to subdue you. Hell, they even waged a war against us whereby they were eager to exterminate our kind off the face of the earth. Ndi Igbo got to where we are today without nigeria, in fact, nigeria has been nothing short of a pain in our behind. You bring up lots of great ideas about developing Ala Igbo but I get instantly turned off Whenever you start preaching about this your "one nigeria" ish. There are lots of threads, where you can go profess your undying love for that evil contraption called nigeria, just don't do it here, biko. Simply stick to the topic and we'll all be fine.

nne, dont be emotional. its a tactical approach.

Aigbofa:


Isn't this what some of us are saying instead of drawing a stupid line on a map and whipping yourselves into a frenzy over a project that may never even materialize?

I understand your pessimism and since i am educated and understand how things work, i wont want to argue about anything. we drawing lines doesnt mean that we dont know the due process which we will take before anything will materialize. this is not a politicial project with politicians with low IQ. this is a project which intelligent people who have done research and know that its not the matter of 'if' but the matter of when it will come to pass.

this is the reason i created this thread.

i dont know if we can continue our conversation here

Eintelekt:


Ofcourse. It is not debatable. But then that was why I asked the question I posed earlier.

What guarantee do you give these states that will make them allow you access? What stops them from developing their shores and ports and make you come down to them instead of ferrying your goods all the way?

the main reason i said we will communicate with these state governors is to alert them that we have a project that will start and it will pass through its region and we will face any consequence if it affects the areas it will pass. we will also assure them that we wont be dredging into their own land but deep into the river. this is not a way of getting a permission but to alert them of what we are going to do. rivers around the world that have been turned to seaport, passed through different neighbouring countries and nothing happened. the igbos as citizens of this country have right of passage through the river and sea. and the way that is very convenient for us to pass, we will make it. we are only going to compensate the neighbouring communities for the time we will be spending there to dredge the river and any environmental damage that may cause them will be paid to them( i doubt there will be any).

if the state governors have foresight, they will have to agree to the terms and allow us to create our own port because it is an indirect boost to their economy.

can someone stop creating stupid threads and face the real thing?

Eintelekt:

Sure. Just like the issue of a reunited Eastern Region or even Biafra, it just demands sensitization of all parties involved. Let us, however and no matter what, not threaten any party and try to force it down their throats....dialogue remains the best approach to every project

Yes, though I dont like discussing biafra in public fora. the truth remains that if we're going to undertake this project, we will have to communicate with the governors of these states, akwa ibom and rivers state

Eintelekt:



They will also benefit. I don't know why people are seeing this as a problem.

economic route is a win win for the communities. so why will someone hate the project and say it shouldnt come to life.

Eintelekt:
Nobody here should reply any derailer. Please let them talk, that's as much as they can do. Afterall it is their right as members of Nairaland.


Please Ignore them and be focused. I wish this thread never gets derailed.

please my check my signature and send me mail via that medium

for those who said the surrounding communities will suffer, I tell you solemnly, the people that will suffer more will be the ndigbos in imo and abia states. but no problem

lygn19:
the only time it would be a problem is if d country breaks, then we ve to sign international mou's but we are under one country so anything we will be contending with is the fg

lol

it wont be much of a problem if we will not be interfering with other people's land.

i am not saying we are going to 100percent perfect in this approach but the truth is, the communities close to the shorelines will enjoy from this project.

nwanlecha:
I love the discussion going on here but y'all should beware about exposing some vital information in an open forum like this. Some information are better relayed through E-mails and private messages. There are lots of people from certain tribes, who fast and pray for the Igbo nation to never rise again. The evidence abounds on this thread and all over Nairaland.

that is what i am trying to do.

i have thought about it too

Eintelekt:


I am very interested in this project and will love to be a part of it...even as I do not guarantee financial support I would be glad to participate in any way necessary. Please do share.

I am rallying around to get interested people that will make things happen. i have seen people who are already interested in this project but we need more people even in the media that can make this happen.

we cant share the whole plan in a forum like this. i tried to create one about it before so that i can rally some people online. i found out that i can only communicate with the very intelligent ones in this forum who didnt reply the thread but sent me a message offline and these were eager.

the only problem i have is that we are coming up with economic master plan to make these things come up and if we can handle the economic aspect of this project and see interested people.

we will start

onyeekul001:
Wao! For me this a welcome idae for the south-east to have her own sea port,but my main problem is this "will the igbo people unite their self to see that such an idea become a reality" because i know that with the collabration of every well wishing igboman this will be a success.

we will unite. no problem

Eintelekt:


We cannot depend on the government for this kind of project. They will at best use it as some form of campaign promise and that will be it. Somebody even posted something of sort from TAO's administration.
We are used to that and should by now be wiser.

There are individuals in Igbo land who, if I'm not exaggerating are wealthier than these governments. We can start with those who are directly affected, our business men in Aba, Onitsha and Lagos. It all depends on our ability to convince them... they in turn can influence the government. If you know how these things work.
We just have to get determined and proactive.

I also will like to get the views of a geologist, a geographer, and a maritime Engineer on this topic.

the truth is that we cant relegate this project to the people living in this areas because it is a very cumbersome project and it will eat deep into their pocket. we are proposing a better way of raising the fund. it will be elastic.

the creation of the seaport will not end after creating the seaport but there are other things to be done to ensure the maximum utilisation of the seaport that will benefit the whole region.

lygn19:
all of a sudden the imo river has caught the interest of everyone just because igbos want to use it... a river that was of zero importance before now has become what every non igbo wants to kill himself for

that means we are thinking and every rejected river can be made into a cornerstone river

Dhugal:

Please pay attention,doofus.
This thread is talking about the Imo river,not the Niger river.The Imo has nothing to do with the Niger.There's another we haven't even touched on,the Cross river.I'm sure that one will give you serious heartache.
Btw,should anyone,thinking foolishly as you parasites on this threads have done,dam the Niger completely,in an attempt to starve Igboland of natural waterway,states such as Kogi,Nasarawa and Benue will be completely wipe out.Ordinary Kainji dam and an expanse of land as big as Lagos was submerged.Asked the people of Niger state why they clamoured for HYPADEC for years.

if anyone tries to dam any big river is in for a big problem and the water will submerge the neighbouring communities. that is what they dont understand.

the sea is coming to the south east, we wont look for the sea.

ask an average person in the south south riverine areas, ask them the depth they dug before they made their boreholes. ask them how the water taste when they first tasted it.

this is to show you that the sea is coming, and it is coming very fast.

Eintelekt:
I've read a number of constructive posts from Pro Igbos and Eastern Region guys on this thread. Honestly I wish I can meet, deliberate and work with some of you guys.

Ezeagu, I'm humbled sir
VickJames, I relate
Lygn 19, you were making lots of sense in the beginning but... We've all gotta choose a side and get focused.

This may or may not be about Biafra but at the end of the day it benefits us all.
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Anyway, I just want to know the distance we intend to go on both sides of the water body in this dredging project considering its financial implications and effect on the local community.
2. What guarantee do you give that the governments of those AKS and Rivers

the financial aspect is very cumbersome for the state government of the east to take on but if its privately constructed, then it is possible. the rivers and akwa ibom government shouldnt find it as problem.

the dredging exercise will only be deepening the river and not widening the river. the communities close to the river should be happy because it will bring economic life to the region.


we all have right of passage and it shouldnt be a problem except we want to dredge to widen the river. the only part we will widen is where the port will be.

Aigbofa:


Is this Azumiri big enough to supply the canal big enough for ocean going vessels?
What about the SS region? Have you asked for their opinion about dredging the part of the river on their territory?

the dredging will not be to widen the river but to deepen it. this is not the problem of the other territories because we have right of passage. The only time the problem will arise is if we try to widen the river. that means encroaching their region.

the river at the confluence is big and deep. the only thing we need to do is to dig deeper than we have it now, this will make the river what we want it to be.

the people in the south south should understand that we dont to interfere with their environment. the only communication we need is the river and it is important.

Omololu007:
my brother the thing tire me o,this plan can't work lai lai,,is just like the mali government to start dredging the river niger from koulikoro in mali all the way to lokoja and down to onitsha then to the sea..they will have to dredge it from mali to guinea,from guine to benin republic,then to Nigeria.and we can't do anything about it cause is an international river

lol. let me laugh with you. but you're wrong.

Aigbofa:


How then do you want to feed the canal if not by river Niger? What body of water is big enough feed the canal since you already know the rivers are flowing southward?

we are actually talking about azumiri river in abia state. it is different from the niger river

Aigbofa:
What happens when the northerners decide to put a bigger dam on the river Niger? Are you going to supply this canal with borehole water?
This same scenario is playing out between Ethiopia and Egypt.

we are not talking about the river niger and the river niger is not running into north but through southsouth and to the sea. if they ever think of damming the river, then nigeria should be ready to soak its land with high level of floods.

Tinyemeka:

How would revenue be generated to justify the project costs?
If it were to be handled by private investors, the government would come in with their taxes and cut into profits.
On the other hand, the government of present Nigeria would hardly consider executing a project of such magnitude.

Private investors can lobby HOR and Senate members to push it forward.

Just saying.

it can be done and the project will be state owned and royalty paid to the government only

lygn19:

yes

what do you propose?

udokpuenyi:


Please I will like to be a part of this project. Any project that involves driving investment in the heartland of Biafra, including sensitizing people on the urgent need to do so, I want to be part of it

this is great.

should we create a thread to sensitize people who will want to join in this project and achieve it. it will not be a mere NGO work but something that will really stand.

i have gotten some emails online and many other like minds offline. there is this drive in the heart of the young igbos and how to accomplish things like this.