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Any ideas on how to go about it?

daroz:
Still, I don't get your point. Are you encouraging it or against it?

Am indifferent

Let's get Abuamam a new wife

raystar96:
since we are in an evolving world.. were change is a rapid occurrence.Technology seems to set the pace... but is it biblical to use pos machine in the church?

Is it biblical for a Christian to bank their money?

Gombs:
what church? i keep asking...what has thou done to the body of Christ since you have a concise knowledge of how it show be?

Good question applicable not just to Winsomex but all of us. It is quite easy to point out wrongs that to effectively execute your 'right' way

daroz:
Pls, what exactly is ur point?

Pls,can you read English?
1. Tithing in the scriptures is a very minor point of the Law as Jesus taught sso it's not really worth plucking your hair over
2. Christian tithing has no scriptural basis. Elsewhere I called it a tradition and not a doctrine because of this
3. Tithing has some benefits usually missed by its opponents

Gombs:
shall we wait for the anti tithe crusaders?

My broda,
Given tithing in the OT is far from the weightier things of the law, we should not have pro and anti-tithing jihadis.

I wrote and angry book 'exposing the tithing scam'. Then I thought really hard about whether such a non-issue deserves such fury.

Not worth it. Let believers tithe if they will. All I do is engage those close to me on the subject wherever and whenever.

And it gets a tad boring repeating the same arguments over and over.

Fact remains,
There is extremely weak exegetical basis for tithing in Christianity. The pro-tithing brigade make up for this by emotional appeal and blackmail and frequent extra-biblical 'revelations'.' God showed me','God said to me'......'how can you be so mean as to keep everything you were given to yourself?'

The anti-tithing gang overcompensate this by despising the principles that could be gleaned from the practice.

My high school uniform had navy blue trousers. Years in the uniform made me hate the color so much that I have only had one navy blue suit in my life and I gave it away years ago.

ayoku777:
Where is tithing mentioned in all the scriptures you quoted?

We are to give not tithe. We should give to pastors and the poor, family and loved ones, to the kingdom and to good courses. But not tithe.

That's what we are saying. Why are they bent on calling it tithe? Why can they just say believers should give.

The moment you call it tithe, then it is a law. Because tithing is not freewill. If you don't tithe, you are under a curse.

Tithing is not applicable to the new testament believer. We give.

All those verses you quoted are giving, not tithing. Don't call them tithe.

We christians learn giving from God, not through the law. God is a giver, giving is His nature. When I give, I'm not learning from Moses, I'm learning from Jesus.

Giving for the believer is an outworking of the love of God shed abroad in our hearts by the Spirit. We are not borrowing it from Moses.

There is no tithing in the new covenant. Priests don't pay tithe, they give. Pastors should preach giving, period!

Think about this;

1 Corinthians 9:14-15 English Standard Version (ESV)

14 In the same way, the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel.

15 But I have made no use of any of these rights, nor am I writing these things to secure any such provision. For I would rather die than have anyone deprive me of my ground for boasting.

What/who did God command? Is it not the body of Christ? This clear command entitles Paul to some rights.

So while amounts,frequency and nature are not specified unlike under OT,supporting ministers is a commandment.

Supporting ministry is not something you indulge in whenever you suffer from some occasional bouts of magnanimity; it is a commandment from YHWH, from Jesus Christ. To this extent it is as a commandment as tithing

ayoku777:
That's exactly what anti-tithers have been saying for ages. That not tithing for a christian is not a sin and it is not robbing God.

Giving is the admonition and instruction of the new covenant, not tithing.

A christian does not rob God because he gave 5% of his income instead of 10. And God will not send devourers to him because he gave it to a poor family instead of to a church or a pastor.

That's what we've been saying. That pastors should stop talking tithe altogether and just encourage giving.

But what they tell you is that giving is different from tithing. That no matter how you give, if you don't tithe, you're robbing God. That tithing is in a class of its own. That a giver who doesn't tithe is still sinning.

That's wrong. The early church didn't tithe, they simply gave.

The issue is not the way tithing is being abused. The issue is that tithing under the new covenant where every believer is a priest is unscriptural.

The early church never practise or preached it. They just encouraged giving. We need to do the same.

The NT giving borrowed heavily from Moses.
It takes some serious conscious effort to miss the similarity between supporting Levi with offerings and supporting ministers of the gospel. Paul under inspiration most certainly did not miss it.
1 Corinthians 9:13-14 (KJV)
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? 14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

Remember the NT 'grace giving ' formula?
1 Corinthians 9:7 (KJV)
Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
It too has its roots in Torah;
Exodus 25:2 (ESV)
Speak to the people of Israel, that they take for me a contribution. From every man whose heart moves him you shall receive the contribution for me
Exodus 35:5 (ESV)
5 Take from among you a contribution to the Lord. Whoever is of a generous heart, let him bring the Lord's contribution: gold, silver, and bronze

The so called 'grace giving' is not exactly new. I know believers tend to disparage the Law as mechanical and all that. This is not necessarily the case.

Nobody denies the strength of the principle behind tithing; discipline and consistency forget about the percentages. So a Christian on their own volition arriving at tithing is not legalism. You can borrow the principle without reverting to Moses

daroz:
Is it a must for xtains to tithe? Is tithing actually met for the New testament xtains?

I used to be a rabid anti-tithing crusader. I was probably reacting angrily to the lies that had been shoved down my throat with such force and eloquence. Nowadays I don't tithe but this is my take;

1. Tithing your income is not a sin. Nor is Sunday/Saturday/Friday worship. You don't violate ANY of God's Word by doing any of these.
2. Tithing and Sunday worship are no express commandments or commandments of any sort
3. Both tithing and Sunday worship are BENEFICIAL; they inculcate discipline and inject into a Christian's life some form of predictability.
4. Tithing and Sunday worship as Christian traditions rooted in Torah. You will never find any command anywhere to meet on any day but you find Christians meeting on Sabath at first and later on the First Day/Sunday
5. Both tithing and Sunday worship have been abused and used to make believers guilty by ministers. You have some Christians who believe one can't be born again and hold a Sunday job, or skipping Sunday worship is inviting God's wrath. All God requires is regular assembly as per Hebrews with no commandment on the frequency or days. With tithing, all God requires is supporting the ministers of the gospel. No minimum is stipulated
6. Both tithing and Sunday worship are despised by some believers generally who latch on the act that they are no commandment to ignore them with contempt
7. There is shocking ignorance among believers concerning both Tithing and Sunday worship. Many simply assume they are commandments, and they never bother to validate these beliefs from the scriptures. This is why anti-tithers and SDAs easily corner tither and Sunday worshippers. So you may win either argument not necessarily because you are smart or right but because your debater is largely ignorant of the subject
8. Solution to Abuse of tithing and Sunday worship should be proper use and not necessarily disuse

PS: I have used interlaced my response with Sunday worship which was not the subject. This is no digression but to demonstrate similar principles and attitudes underlying both

Cc Gombs,Winsomex,Bidam,PaulGrundy,Goshen360,Ayoku777,esere826,PastorKun,MarkMiwerds,Image123

OLAADEGBU:
Read the rebuttal James Houston in the link above.

Little knowledge is dangerous that Ebola

Zoharariel:
@OP - You are an awakening Soul - Congratulations! You only need to raise your vibrations more and then in no time, u'll attain Self Realization. Your intuition or intuitive awareness is extremely sharp, even when u've not been initiated into the Ancient Teachings of the Vairagi Adepts.

If I list some of the paranormal things that I experience on a day-to-day basis here on this thread, there'll be no measure to how fast & how hard these christians or usual hypocrites who know next to nothing about the spirit & the higher self, will come at me & attribute them to satanic influence, or even call me a demon.

I remember when I started some spiritual exercises to raise my vibrations in 2005, and then I would notice the tip of my tongue getting hot, especially when I'm alone, so 1 day, I went to MFM in Kano and complained about it to 1 of the Pastors and he said; I needed to go for deliverance ASAP b'cos I was under an attack either from the marine kingdom or witchcraft coven [can't remember].

I underwent the deliverance for 3 days and guess what? that thing still persist, even till now. I never knew that those are traits of an awakened Soul until I was told by an Higher Initiate.

My point is; what you are experiencing is absolutely normal and it happens to me every time.

Unfortunately; when my ire is aroused and I direct those thoughts to anybody in a negative manner; the result is instantaneous.

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Why would he associate his failure with his wife's?
Wife did it...then I did it.....so am stepping down....sounds like Adam

InMyPrime:
I'm asking for guidance from mature, spiritual Christians to help me with this.
Every time I think of someone I don't see often, they will either call me or I will bump into them or hear about them. I am wondering if this is spiritual
What could this be? Is it something I need to pray for or against.

Please help!

pure nonsense.
Allow me to prove it. Think about me for the next 24 hours and see if I will call you, bump into you or you will hear about me

Ubenedictus:
i just discussed atleast two.

Meditation is different from hypnosis.

Discussing of faults does not a cultist make.

Nor does giving away your wealth for charity make you a cultist, Jesus actually advised such.

That already is 3 different point.

PICK ONE

Ubenedictus:
Hehehe, that is a huge pile of accusations, and trully dear I don't know where to begin answering that stuff.


It is a compredum of half truths and misrepresentation.

Opus Dei emphasis is on sanctity where ever you find yourself. St jose the founder believed that a true Christian life must begin with the interior, with true prayer and looking inward.

He developed a system whereby every human being can be a member of opus Dei.

First of all Opus Dei is not by force, its members do not go and live in a monastry unless you personally desire it, they remain in their own houses and do their normal work, infact you are free to at anytime work out, disappear, refuse to continue membership e.t.c.


Second those who take part are adults not kids who on their own take up a life and ask that they be given spiritual guidiance.

Thirdly your story claims that meditation is "hypnosis", that is an insult to all Christians and non-christians who practice it. Meditation usually involves the reading of scripture or some other spiritually enriching book and then meditating on its words in prayer, that is not hypnosis that is meditation plain and simple.

There is just so much misrepresentation there and I don't even know where to begin, your source claims that telling other people your sins make you a cult, but that is just funny because that is exactly what was done by the early christian. If that make opus Dei a cult then Christainity must also be a cult.


What else? You claim those preparing for the priesthood do not keep much possession....the exact same rule applies to seminarian, it is applied to those who want to live exclusively dedicated to God.


And lastly there are different membership in opus Dei, some are aspiring priests, other are just people who chose celibacy, some are married men and women with family others are student.

The rules for aspiring priest is not the same as for celibate laymen or for married men...

Different cloth for different folks, it is a bit suprising to lump both the married, those aspiring for priesthood and celibate lay peoples together and call them all cultist because they practice meditation which you call hypnosis and they ask for and accept spiritual guidiance which you call indoctrination.

Pick a specific claim and disprove it. That's how to debunk lies

Papist:
Didnt get the time to read all that but I know most people get their "knowledge" about Opus Dei from Dan Brown novels. If you want to know about Opus Dei just read the life of its founder St Josemaria Escriva a most holy man.

These articles predate Dale Brown

Make time, gather courage and go through them then you can point out any lies/errors in them. Can I trust you to do that?

italo:
So Satan's Catholic Church was trying to stop Christianity when it compiled the Bible and changed the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday...

And you "Christians" accepted the Bible and day of worship?

I think the Govt should ban Marijuana asap

Couldn't agree more!

ayo4lahanyahoo:
This has been one thing everyone has been saying without really having biblical facts for it. We hear the devil also speak in tongues, but at the same time when Christians speak the heavenly tongues, Satan becomes confused. Please shed more light on this.

You should aks SonofLucifer

Seriously, tongues happen to be human languages and the devil sure can understand human languages. But Paul makes a hypothetical statement in 1 Cor 14 about tongues of angels. This would be the language of angels and not men. So some imagine the devil can't hear that. But, Satan is a fallen angel so it still is not convincing.

You don't need an encrypted means of communication so as to prevent Satan from eavesdropping. If the enemy seeks to be one step ahead of you by eavesdropping your prayers, am certain God would not allow it whether you spoke in tongues or not....just my opinion

italo:
You want an Opus Dei member to respond to all those allegations at the same time...or to tell you something like "it's all lies" or "it's all true"...or "it's partially true and partially false?"

If someone cast all those allegations on your family at the same time, how would you respond?

What makes you think they are 'allegations'?
http://www.mond.at/opus.dei/opus.dei.uo.faq.html

This is shocking
http://www.odan.org/tw_how_opus_dei_is_cult_like.htm

sportsmaster:
this thread is only for notice.
When I start the main topic,
we are going to be looking at the following
1)can tongues be understood?
2)who speaks with tongues?
3)can all believers speak with tongues?
4)Understanding what Paul meant by tongues of men and tongues of Angels
5)what really happened on the day of pentecost?
6)were different languages spoken?
7)what are the prophecies from the Old testament concerning tongues?.
what is even Pentecost itself?
9)which group or tribe of people were present on the day of pentecost?
And plenty other questions.

Please do drop your questions so I can study along those lines.

Thanks.
cC Jogbaje,WinsomeX,Gombs,vooks,scholar8200,soye3, and everybody that is interested.

Hi,
How should I respond to this sir?

Goodyshoes:
I'd do so sometime. But I'll still love to hear your thoughts and opinions on this.

It is well my broda,
That is a short book on the subject and I went through it and agreed with it 110%. So I highly recommend it

Goodyshoes:
Now we know that lots of Christian fundentalists subscribe to the notion of speaking in tongues.
This is an act which the early apostles engaged in while in the upper room. I clearly understand it as speaking in a language/tongue foreign to yours. For instance, a Greek man speaking Hausa. That'd definitely qualify as " speaking in tongues", which would be a far cry from the today's church's version and interpretation of the tongues.
However, I see it as an exercise that wouldn't serve as a prerequisite to getting to God's Kingdom.
Thoughts, opinions and comments.
Cheers.

You raise several points and you may not get short answers.
May be we should start with a definition of tongues
Mark 16:17 (KJV)
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Believers shall speak with new tongues.
The word tongue simply mean language. Believers shall speak with new languages

That is a promise. To help us understand exactly what it means, we look for a recorded example of believers speaking in tongues. Acts
Acts 2:4-7 (KJV)
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

V4- they spoke with other languages as the Spirit gave them utterance. So the supernatural aspect of this event is not speaking in a different language, it is the Spirit who enabled them to do it. With enough time, you can learn any language and develop fluency. You would be speaking in many languages/tongues but not spontaneously by the Spirit.

The big deal here was diasporas Jews heard Galileans speaking in their local dialects. This tells me the 120 disciples in the upper room spoke SEVERAL languages. So tongues are not restricted to a particular language. I heard some guys suggest that tongues are given in Hebrew language.

V6- again the diasporas heard their language. What of the local Jews in Jerusalem? You can bet they heard gibberish. Because they understood not the 'internTional' dialects spoken by the 120 unless they had learnt them before.

Acts 2:8-11 (KJV)
And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God
The ones who understood the tongues heard the 120 speak of wonderful works. Sounds like they were really praising God. So God will not engineer tongues in you so you can use it against Him.


Is it a 'religious exercise'?
First I have no idea what you mean by 'religious exercise'. If you mean to suggest whether they are important or not, all I can say is, they originate from Holy Spirit and I doubt he has a penchant for 'religious exercises'

Are they a 'prerequisite for getting into God's Kingdom'?
The answer is NO.
All you need is to believe in Jesus Christ and confess him as Lord and you are born again. You are now a believer and in this state, you are a CANDIDATE for this gift. Let's ask Peter
Acts 2:38 (KJV)
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call

AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. It means AFTER this, you receive the gift. At this point you are already a child of God.

Some people believe you must be baptized with water FIRST before you receive the gift, but in Acts 10, the gift fell on Cornelius family BEFORE baptism. So it is not necessary. Further, in Acts 19, Paul finds believers who had never heard of the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 19:1-2 (KJV)
And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

These were Christians alright but they had yet to receive the Gift. So receiving the baptism of the Holy Spirit AND the attendant sign of speaking in tongues is no 'prerequisite'.

Goodyshoes:
Thanks for that recommendation on that book. Would have loved to read and study it through. Unfortunately, I may not be able to, cuz of certain constraints. Like time et al.
But if you may, please a concise explanation on the subject topic would be very beneficial. Thoughts and opinions.
Cheers.

Download the book and send it somewhere safe. You may be busy but am sure you won't be busy forever.

Amuram:
I am just curious. Religious intellects your inputs will be invaluable and appreciated.

Christians don't have holy days, that's Old Testament, all we are exhorted to do is NOT TO neglect regular meetings

Goodyshoes:
Now we know that lots of Christian fundentalists subscribe to the notion of speaking in tongues.
This is an act which the early apostles engaged in while in the upper room. I clearly understand it as speaking in a language/tongue foreign to yours. For instance, a Greek man speaking Hausa. That'd definitely qualify as " speaking in tongues", which would be a far cry from the today's church's version and interpretation of the tongues.
However, I see it as an exercise that wouldn't serve as a prerequisite to getting to God's Kingdom.
Thoughts, opinions and comments.
Cheers.

Read this book and then revert

https://www.nairaland.com/2002518/skeptics-guide-tongues-prophecy

Let's remind this charlatan as he celebrates his birthday that he failed miserably at his #MH370 predictions

Leaving church honorably. That's a Saint and a Gentleman

OLAADEGBU:
With responses like this there is hardly any difference between you and the infiltrators sent to destroy protestant churches, you might as well be one of them, who knows.

With your patented cowardly obtuseness, am better off watching the paint dry than engaging you. Your puny brains will overheat.

Pick one SPECIFIC claim and we will examine it

OLAADEGBU:
The timeless words of our Lord Jesus Christ come handy in times like these:

(Matthew 7:6).

So, what have you been doing with these comics that predate your conception by decades?