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Flytefalls:
I do believe in the bible, but I'm more interesting in an exhange of human experiences with former JW's... or even current ones

There is a man PaulGrundy

Another one of M 7.4 rocks the same country barely an hour ago.
Wassup?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32701385

PastorKun:
Fellow hypocrite if someone had passed a comment that they are a very good church, would that person also be guilty of judging them I was asked my take and I answered based on my clear understanding of the gospel. Fact remains their teachings and practises don't conform to the teachings of christ.

Classic
Only PastorKun can deliver such accurate uppercuts

No amount of evidence would convince you

davien:
Explain how "god" can make dirt...by magic?

What is magic?
What is sensible between imagining NOTHING of itself turning into SOMETHING or God doing it?
I would believe in in Japanese volcanoes spewing out Subaru Impreza WRX instead of rocks sooner than evilution

davien:
Explain how "god" can make dirt...by magic?

Explain how nothing became primordial pool all by itself

davien:
lol...again ironically your insulting your own belief...

Is dust not what you're "created" from?

God made that dirt you negro windbag

davien:
lol.....so you're butthurt? Flintstones believer!

'In the beginning God...' Vs 'in the beginning Dirt...'

Bring it on

WinsomeX:
^^^

Precisely. I hope Gombs is reading.

And I'm surprised he has suddenly stopped following the Facebook discussion. Or the statistics have discouraged him?

Pls, vooks, keep an eye on that lady. She can lapse into atheism. Show her a thread like this and explain to her that God has just saved her from a cult.

Last Wednesday I referred a buddy of mine this strange Oyaks exhortation to prayerlessness. He is a long time ardent fan or Oyaks, always ceaselessly sharing how 'powerful' and 'wise' he is. The divorce saga somewhat slowed his adoration but he was still praising him.

Oyaks point as readily regurgitated by Gombs on another thread here is simple; believers have power of God they received at the baptism of the Spirit and prayers don't add nothing to it. A prayerless Christian and a prayerful one have the same power. I aksd my friend just as I aksd Gombs what the essence of prayer is in that case. Gombs as expected played dumb, ignored it. My friend on the other hand went on a day long soul searching trying to make sense of the piece. So we met yesterday and he told me he is convinced that's a doctrine of Devils; teaching prayerlessness. That's what Oyaks did in an attempt to debunk an old cliche 'a prayerless Christian a powerless christian'. Funny enough, he contradicts his own teachings on James 5:16

If only CEC sheeple thought through the garbage they are routinely served some would open their eyes like my friend. Of course pride comes into play. You just don't believe you can be wrong after all these years. Then you have numbers, the thousands of tongue speakers all around you. How can they all be wrong? You seek refuge in numbers.

Gombs:
I was about asking when you guys would attack the ROR. Turns out I wasn't thinking too much. Nice one.

Noted. Just in case you decide to edit.

Well, your statement here is your words against any others, and one person's experience cannot and should not be a yardstick to generalize.

Sure, Oyaks equally is not divorced

ROR is encouraged to be bought by brethren and distribute for free to those in their sphere of contact. It is however not compulsory.

'Encouraged'......BUT 'not compulsory'

It's been selling for N150 for over 10 years even though with world class printing. When brethren pay for these materials, the monies go to different channels to keep the work going. For example, staff would have to be paid, how about the printers and print materials? What about translators, most of which do these voluntarily, but however, a stipend is given in appreciation? How about cost of delivery to point of 'consumption'? Flight or haulage cost across the world? What about custom duties? Etc.

Joagbaje spewed this garbage. 2 years before. It costs something is obvious. Costs you pay through publishing offerings, then you buy the copies. That makes it twice. And finally, some in the 'sphere of influence' of CEC members buy them...selling the same thing thrice

You cannot just sit somewhere and assume frivolous things all in a bid to call a dog a bad name so that you can hang it.

You can't just sit there and cook unintelligent apology bro. Now, slither back from wherever you came from and let Winsomex and others respond

The congregation revolted? Too much nollywood is telling on you buddy!

The targets were hastily withdrawn

As for 'commitment', the other day, folks gave largely alot gave commitment when I visited Joagbaje's church. They 'adopted' the nation of Sudan for a while now, and send ROR and Bibles to the folks there... To be distributed for free... Some folks here paid for it, to be given free to change lives in Sudan that has less than 2%Christians. That's what we do with our monies... Stop being on the negative always

'Commit' or catch a virus

Nobody forces anybody to Celebrate their pastor, most do it lavishly out of love... I do that too, alot. In CE, we do not idolize giving, it is our life, as you can see in our anthem (I'm surprised the anthem hasn't be labeled cultic ie cults have anthems bla bla)... All we know is a life of giving...

High pressure tactics. You do it out of love for your lives, your eternity is at stake

Winsomex,
There is an old thread here on ROR. The question was whether the publication is fraudulent. And as usual, Joagbaje attempted a lame defense of it.
https://www.nairaland.com/860680/rhapsody-realities-really-scam

I ran into a lady who supplied me with the devotional and she was disillusioned.
Like MLMs the ones committing to distributing the most and the ones who actually did were feted. The lady ended up with dozens of the diols she had bought but could not find anybody too give. That surprised me because we have always bought them from her. Said that like Jehovah witnesses,they are supposed to 'distribute' and if possible sell them. Her terms were quite flexible, you could even pay after 3 months. The cash is remitted back to the church. Members contribute towards publishing. Then they buy the devotionals. And finally SOME consumers buy them

Anyway, the church budget shot through the roof and they were called upon to 'commit'. The figures were astronomical and the congregation revolted. Then the pastor had a birthday. And like Oyaks, they were pushed to PAY him for growing old. she could not handle it anymore, she left.

All cults add works to grace as salvation formula. SDAs have so much elevated the sabbath that breaking it is the mark of the Beast. The added works are used to subdue members, to control them. You are always in danger for breaching these, in danger of hellfire. CEC is one place 'giving' is idolized. No wonder Jeff told SirJohn he caught a virus because of failure to offer first fruits. Sadly, unlike other sects which go out of their way to document their doctrines, you won't run into any literature on the subject. These are basically unwritten rules but are firmly in place.

As you research, consider how much of doctrine and mandatory practices are seldom documented nowhere

Cc deborah777

CHIMCO:
Please who knows the Nigerian time of the match.

0200H

sonOfLucifer:
That which is true fears no blasphemy.

Nobody fears blasphemy

basilico:
vooks the original Qur'an has no parenthesis. They are explanations added by translators to add meaning to the Qur'an and some translators whitewash that criminal. Here is the same verse from different translators

Thank you basilico.
Do these ret@rded rules apply to men? Almost all divorces are initiated by men. Must a man marry, bed and get divorced before remarrying his former wife?

davien:
insult me all you like that won't make me start a thread on a non-argument..

Then don't you ever bring your silly anti-creationism taunts again

davien:
it's a pity.....now you're comparing the "rna-world hypothesis" with creationism...

A troll,spammer and a coward all rolled into one. When is the thread coming up?

Empiree:
So you fellas still at it?. Your banter-teasing attacks have shifted now to marriage in Islam?. You continue to strengthen our faith if you dont know. Keep it up. Well, there isnt big deal remarrying your ex. This is very common in western world as well. But i guess your point is must she marry another man before she can remarry her former husband.

That's not much of a problem

Nobody said or suggested its 'much of a problem', we are asking if it is a CONDITION, a MUST that she must have remarried and gotten divorced. Why can't you with your now 'strengthened faith' respond to this sensibly?

tartar9:
go check my other replies

Kindly and briefly walk me through 2:230

Cc Abuamam,Empiree

basilico:
vooks they won't answer that clear unambiguous verse. They will post long stupid verses to show how that criminal prophet uplifted women

It's called being OBTUSE on purpose. What took him so long in answering? He was frantically consulting
It is a nightmare defending your godess' irrationality and a low to negligible IQ

tartar9:
thought you wanted only a Yes or No answer? have explained all this already

And seeing you are still alive and on NL, am aksin another question. Do I need to repeat it?

Walk me through 2:230

tartar9:
NO

Could you please explain this verse for us

Surat Al-Baqarah (The Cow) 2:230
And if he has divorced her [for the third time], then she is not lawful to him afterward until [after] she marries a husband other than him. And if the latter husband divorces her [or dies], there is no blame upon the woman and her former husband for returning to each other if they think that they can keep [within] the limits of Allah . These are the limits of Allah , which He makes clear to a people who know.

Cc Empiree,Abuamam,Ifeann

Gombs:
No need replying the above.

Did you know about it when you said this? Be honest for once. Yes/no?

I see how you ignored the fact that that manual is a masterpiece.

And why couldn't you share the 'masterpiece' yet you prescribed singles seminars? Or it was not yet out? Muslims practice Taqqiya, lying for to advance their religion

As for the above bold, no need to lie... See what you wrote here

This is what you said

https://www.nairaland.com/1957135/midas-touch-balanced-approach-biblical/62#27907318

Gombs:
Bobo, the sites were upgraded, and pictures of even himself were removed except maybe those on ads or upcoming programmes he'd be in. Grab a copy of Rhapsody and check the back...I see Pastor Chris standing together with a lovely looking lady...can you explain why it's still there? ...Or why his wedding ring is still on?

Say what?

tartar9:
I said any two divorcees can remarry but there is a limit is that too hard to graps?

The question is not whether divorcees can remarry, it is whether CONDITION(S) for remarriage includes the wife remarrying and being divorced

[s]Islam provides practical solutions to any possible scenario after 3 divorce remarriage is no longer allowed,if I am to even consider the possibility of such happening i.e.i married her once, divorced once, married the
second time, divorced the second time,married her the third time,divorced the third time this is the maximum number of remarriages that is allowed This rule is given by the Shari'ah to
reduce/prevent the occurrence of three divorces and to ensure that divorce is not taken lightly but Islam being considerate,if the woman marries someone else and they also divorce then she can remarry the fourth time to her former husband[/s].

Ok, divorcees can only remarry each other up to three times...good but irrelevant points

Let me repeat the question;
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Q. Supposing you divorced your wife and later you want to remarry her. Must she get married,bedded and divorced first before you are allowed to remarry her?

Answers

A. Yes
B. No
C. I don't know
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Cc Ifeann, Abuamam, basilico

davien:
Probably because I have a life outside NL and I've already stated that evolution isn't the origin of life but the progression of it through inherited traits....

So you lose your life when trolling?
Creationism is about ORIGIN both of life and matter. You can ONLY compare it with any other belief/science of the same.
Before you start flapping gums about how we had RNA forming in the primordial soup, get a basic idea of where the soup,came from

Gombs:
^^
"I don't know of any" is not equal to "there is none".

You never knew of its existence back then? Was you a single boy last year?

That said, this is a marriage counseling manual, I don't suppose it was for all churches, as it will/may differ from another's.

I was clear I needed CEC's 'wisdom' on marriage and this sure attempts to present that. Are you embarrassed that it has been shared seeing you had no intention of sharing it?

Rilwayne001:
For the open mind alone and not for close minded bigots like the OP and his coterie of clowns.



Any open minded person should please read this^ in full on this site http://www.islamawareness.net/Talaq/talaq_book.html the OP claim is well addressed on the link.

Negro,
Just answer this question
Supposing you divorced your wife and later you want to remarry her. Must she get married,bedded and divorced before you are allowed to remarry her?

Yes/No?

After answering, feel free to throw as much ret@rded garbage as possible

Cc rahamAllah

basilico:
vooks When Muslims are faced with some difficult situation they paste lengthy nonsecical nonsense in order to avoid answering.
Summary If you want to remarry your wife does Quran 2:230 demand that you can't do that unless she gets married, bedded and divorced so she becomes lawful?
Take a bet? Muslima won't answer this but will post some lengthy nonsecical post .When that fails they will resort to threats and intimidation.

That's what I have discovered. Not even their most 'intelligent' Abuamam is immune to obscurantism.
He readily reckons that a new language (pidgin) using some words of an older language (English) is borrowing form the older and not the other way round, but can't admit that Islam, a new religion borrowed heavily form the older religions of Judaism and Christianity and Arab paganism.