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You are so overfed with Dispensationalism garbage and Scoffield junk, am not sure where to start with you.

You may as well argue that you can't send yourself to hell only that God never Elected you

Take comprehension classes and re-read my post

Thanks

shdemidemi:
The condition for Adam's failure is disobedience to the laid down rules which says you must not 'eat', else ......

The condition for our failure is 'you must believe the gospel', else.....

Two different and distinct conditions that shouldn't be conflated.

The bible never said you can in-save yourself, especially not that verse you responded to. Don't force your spurious ideas on the Holy Scripture.

It means NOBODY and NOTHING can separate you from God except yourself. God won't save you and keep you saved against your will.

Go back to Eden. NOTHING or NOBODY could separate Adam from God and disrupt the fellowship he had with God......not even the serpent. So the devil provoked Adam (Eve) to rebellion which essentially means Eve walked away from God.

This is repeated in Satan tempting the Second Adam. He tried to induce rebellion which would have meant Jesus rebelling against His Father. He failed

5solas:
What did He mean here:
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
John 10.

Security based on faith is certainly not unconditional

5solas:
You probably don't know that before Calvin , there was no talk of ''loss of salvation''.
Conditional security = No security.

Yes, why not?

CAPTIVATOR:
This is serious .... Christ appear before Christ ?

Except Christ did not appear to Christ but to God (the Father), they are different persons
Puny brains, try harder

CANTICLES:
If Christ appears before Christ ....... Then we have 2 Jesus Christ , ?? Ur answer is faulty

No answer, do we have iOS pros in the house?

Stop crying. You are a man o

shdemidemi:
Thanks for teaching us how God proposes and man disposes.

Yes he did

CAPTIVATOR:
Welcome ... Can u try to explain this :

" For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands .... But he entered into heavens itself, so that he now appears before God on our behalf ." !! Heb 9:24

Pls, Did christ appear before himself ??

We have heard this trash before. Surely you are embarrassing Satan with your un-creativity

Go lick your wounds in peace

shdemidemi:
Brilliant! Exactly what I think it is. Any other question?

Spelling.....God is spelt G.O.D and heaven is spelt H.E.A.V.E.N

Any other distinction is both retarde.d and heretical

shdemidemi:
What do you think it is? Someone have really gone to study dispensationalism, for real.

Good,
What is the difference between Kingdom of heaven and Kingdom of God?

shdemidemi:
I will bro..

When you grow up in the Word, feel free to engage me

shdemidemi:
I hold peace then.. Guess all can see the puny brain critic can't align his propositions with scripture.

If you think it is unBiblical, prove it. I called out your BS on speaking in tongues vs speaking in an unknown tongue and ever since you tail has never left that secure place between your legs. Call out mine. Disprove me or hold your peace

shdemidemi:
Lol...the burden of proof that what you have claimed the bible says is what you have summarised isn't on me but on you puny brain critic.

Do the needful or remain a liar.

I will join you. Can see you are lonely. Like all trolls

frosbel:
Stop pretending to be a believer or a follower of Christ, there is nothing to suggest you know him.

Negro,
I don't have a whip with me and you need brains drilled into you. Words is all I have. Aint I genius!

If you need Kleenex, I will send you a box. These things are for real men

frosbel:
so rude isn't he, says a lot about his useless faith

Refute any scripturally if your puny brains can muster

shdemidemi:
No, I didn't. Guess you have gone to equip yourself via YouTube.

Please guide all your numbered summaries by appropriate scriptural quotes. It's not enough to throw words around by what seem acceptable to you without sighting one reference from the source.

Nigeria Christianity is doomed with this kind of tunnel vision and garbage.

1. Who told Peter to baptize?
2. Did Cornelius receive baptism of Holy Spirit before/after water baptism?

shdemidemi:
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Well, you do not have to agree, pick your bible to revise the book of the Acts of Apostles, you just might see things differently.

Jesus had taught Peter and the rest so many things in parables, He sometimes explain these parables in ways He wouldn't explain it in public. Even his death and resurrection was explained to them. But what did they do after he was captured and killed, they all went their separate ways thinking the episode was over.

None of them went back to the sepulchre, you would have expected them to. They just couldn't comprehend all Jesus was saying to them, could they? Jesus had told them in different ways that He would be killed and He will rise after three days, yet Peter fought teeth and nails when the time came for Jesus to fulfil what He had come to the world to do.

When Peter was asked by the remorseful jews on how they could amend their wrongs, Peter replied saying-
Acts 2
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, [size=20pt]Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins[/size], and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

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Repent for remission of sin

Water baptism to receive the Holy Ghost!


When Paul came on board, this idea and concept of remission of sin and receiving the Holy Ghost gradually became incorporated in the gospel.

Paul will say- I have not been sent to baptise anyone, but to preach the gospel. Baptism and remission of sin and the gift of Holy Spirit are spiritually taken care of just by the acceptance of the gospel. Romans 1:16

Paul was asked a similar question the jews asked Peter, guess what is response was..
Acts 16
27 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.

28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.

29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31 And they said, [size=4pt]Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

This is different from physical baptism, repentance (beating yourself down) for remittance of sin and all of those religious rituals associated with religion.
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Negro,
Did you chicken out on your Dispensationalism BS?

I merely summarized EVERYTHING I had said before. Intelligent people can tell a summary from garbage.

Which scripture tells you that speaking in tongues and speaking in an unknown tongue are different?

shdemidemi:
All said without one scriptural reference, hmmm.

Negro,
You must be very idle. Now you are trolling. Good thing is trolling don't require a lot of brains

frosbel:
lol , can you see why there is so much confusion among you bible thumpers ?

The foundation is not well laid and hence the building is showing cracks and will collapse not long from now.

How can one bible produce so much confusion and disagreement ? Surely this is testament to it's fallibility and errancy , no ?

FortresOfChrist
I know your thread has been jacked.
here is my response to you
1. Believers can and they do sin though this is by going against the very same conscience Jesus raised in them when He saved/justified them

2. God hates sin

3. God is on record casting believers to hell. You have Matthew which we hammered before, John 15 with Jesus exhorting his disciples to REMAIN in Him lest they are cut off, Acts 8 of Simon Magus who believed,was baptized and recieved Holy Spirit yet he was rebuked by Peter. He turned out to be the worst persecutor of the church, Hebrews 6 and 3:15 warning us on the dangers of apostasy. You have innumerable warnings against falling away.

4. Nobody can undo what Christ has done in you except you alone. The devil could not rob Jesus of his position but attempted to tempt him to rebel against God. He failed but he succeeded with Adam and you see the consequences. Adam was only as secure as long as he remained in obedience.

5. The lie that a born again believer can never go to hell is actually a lie from hell. Faith is not a historical event but a lifestyle. You are saved by faith and you remain saved by faith. Think of all the warnings and caution against sin in the NT. What purpose do they serve?

Thank you and have a good week ahead

Dated November 2014
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My broda,
I understand you well. We need faith to access salvation. I only add that we need to remain in faith to keep our salvation. We depart from faith and we lose our salvation.

Have a blessed Lord's Day

Bidam:
I think you should go back and reread my post. I said good works are the evidence that you are saved.God graciously works in us to will and to do of His good pleasure.Paul was sure of a crown of righteousness for fighting, finishing, and keeping the faith. (II Timothy 4:7-8.).

He has promised perpetual sex in heaven, what else does a negro want?

Am sure this Mattera fellow carefully omitted all the secular elements of his church in coming up with this list.

Ask him for examples of a non-secularized church and he will point you to his

John the Baptist did it and lost his head for it

I just answered you; Gentiles were not included

Now, do you agree with me that he was appealing to the disciples as INDIVIDUALS/branches and not a NATION?

shdemidemi:
This guy and his style of argument. I asked you a question you return with a question.

Were Gentiles included in all of this, at the time when Jesus was speaking? SIMPLE

No they were not.

Do you agree he was talking to INDIVIDUALS about the need to continue/abide in him and not a nation?

shdemidemi:
Were Gentiles included in all of this, at the time when Jesus was speaking?

Bidam,
God saves you THROUGH faith,not a momentary historical event but a continuous life of faith.

That's what conditional eternal security is all about. If you don't regard initial faith as a condition,why do you regard continuing/remaining in faith as a condition?

Bidam:
Yes.God saved you through faith as an act of kindness. You had nothing to do with it. Being saved is a gift from God.Ephesians 2:8

He was talking to individuals not to a nation. You claim the branches are Israel nation. Do you think before typing away? What about after?

shdemidemi:
Better!

Did you see the part where it says Jesus was speaking to Jews?

Do you realise Jesus instructed the disciples from taking the message of the kingdom to Gentiles at this point?

1. John is addressing those who are ALREADY in Christ and the exhortation is on them to REMAIN.

2. verse 6 and 7 makes it clear he is talking about individuals

3. Not ALL Jews received Christ so the exhortation is irrelevant for them

John 15:6-7
King James Version (KJV)
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Look at at another very similar exhortation to verse 7

John 8:31 King James Version (KJV)

31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

So the abiding teaching is for those who BELIEVED in Jesus. Look up the Greek construction of 8:31 and 15:7 if your brains can handle that.

So it is your job to show us that such clear and personal messages are National. Start your azonto dances

shdemidemi:
Mr lazy critic

Israel is the branch that is to be cut off.

The onus is on you to show us the difference if there are.

Bidam my broda,
Eternal life is UNCONDITIONAL but do you need faith to access eternal life?

Bidam:
Eternal life is an unconditional gift.Salvation is without good works, but unto good works.Paul prayed for the Colossians to walk worthy of God in good works, not just faith (Col 1:10).