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PRINCEZUKO1:
Lol, these guys, even after they saw it plainly written in the manga, they still argue about it.
Both Danzo and Obito expressly explained about IZANAGI. Obito even went to the extent of explaining its origins and nature. Izanagi can only be executed by someone with both senju and uchiha powers.
Itachi never explained Izanagi, what he explained about was IZANAMI. And Izanami DOESN'T need Senju DNA. He only mentioned that this Izanami was brought as a counter to Izanagi.

There are certain types of facts we have in the Naruto World, You see a technique like the Izanagi and you assume that since it has only been performed by two people with senju cells, we assume that it can only be performed by people with Senju cells and Uchiha eyes.

However according to explanation from Itachi and later revealed demonstration by Madara, it can be don by any Uchiha who has awakened the Mangeykyo Sharingan. It is a Mangeykyo sharingan technique.

If Izanami was created to counter Izanagi because many, many uchihas were using it and got addicted to it; and the Izanagi could only be performed with by an Uchiha with both a Mangeyky Sharingan and Senju DNA. Where did the numerous amount of Uchihas that abused the technique get the DNA that they used ?

If you say from dead Senju Corpses, then you would have to explain to me why someone in the Uchiha clan did not unlock the power of the sage of six paths sooner.

Also, Madara used the technique BEFORE he had Hashirama's DNA infused with his own. how the did he perform it?

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kimco I no longer know what you're saying.

Sasuke got the perfect Susanno at the bridge, he did the complete body susanno on the battlefield.

If you want to assume that you need EMS to do the complete body suannoo then I would say you must have basis for believing that.

But then the evidence of absence is not the absence of evidence.
Especially since like Tosyn pointed out
MS stands for Mangeykyo sharingan
While EMS stands for eternal Mangeykyo sharingan
The eternal meaning that the light in the eyes will never go out.
We also know that upon reaching the EMS, the tomoe changes to a combination of the two MS that make up the EMS.
There is no where it is linked that possessing an EMS gives you a better susanno, Madara did not say it, Sasuke did not say it, the writer obviously did not see it as a criteria that is why he allowed someone that had two Eyes and an MS to do it. A fresh MS.

Let's look at what we know,
A MS grants you the ability to do susanno, when you have the two eyes present in one head.
A MS gradually loses its light over time.
Using certain MS techniques strain the eyes causing them to bleed.

Being a ninja, performing any jutsu at first would take a toll on you especially if you're performing it for the first time or even the second time, but with time and experience it would get easier. In the naruto world, experience is directly linked to chakra level, the more the experience you get, which is mostly from training or through live battlefield action, the greater your chakra. So performing the same jutsu with more experience using it, would not take as much toll on you and the chakra consumption would be less than before.

Now combining everything that I have mentioned before
I can make some conjectures.
Sasuke got the perfect Susanno at the bridge where he fought danzo, and Kakashi.
He only achieved the complete body susanno after seeing Madara do it during the war and he didn't need to develop it stage by stage like the way he got the perfect Susanno. He saw something and adapted his body and chakra to doing that even when he hadn't done something like that before.

The fact that Sasuke's sharingan still brought out blood while performing the amaterasu simply means that there is still physical strain on the eyes but light in the eyes will never go out true to the full meaning of EMS.

The fact that Sasuke performed the susanno without any evidence of pain alludes more to the fact that through experience with the technique the strain on his body was significantly reduced as with all techniques that one does over time. There might still be pain whenever he uses the technique but it's gone down to the level where he got hold off showing it visibly.

All that is not due to the EMS, the EMS was not made to magically solve problems with techniques.

kimco:
I believe it does. I mean sasuke didn't have an improve chakra bank or immensely improved stamina after he got itachi's eyes. Yet he could spamm susanoo with a strainght face. I'm very sure he never held his eyes once since he had the ems. The writing is on the wall wacky...let's not deny it.

Let's be serious, everyone with a sharingan has a different power cept for itachi and sasuke and that's because itachi gave his ability to him (amateratsu and tsukiyomi). Nobody can copy any other person's ability, it doesn't work that way. So no, kakashi cannot copy a perfect susanoo when. He doesn't even have the required hardwre for it (ems). Infact, a simply kamui with one eye was always putting him in a hospital bed. So no, he cannot handle a double sharingan (which he shouldn't be getting in the first place) with his body and also perform a perfect susanoo.

Actually
Sasuke did have an improved chakra bank because he felt the power of Itachi flowing through him.

Sasuke even after getting the EMS still had blood running from his eyes whenever he used amateratsu.

Yes everyone has a different power when they activate their mangeykyo Sharingan but the simple requirement for getting a susanno as Kakashi proved (which I suspected a long time before he got the two eyes) is that one must have a mangeykyo Sharingan and both eyes to perform it.

Looking at Madara, what special ability does he have again with his MS apart from the Susanno?

As for being able to handle a double sharing an, why not? Let's accept that he got the double sharingan from the legal owner, that sharingan was properly put, and from what I saw in the Manga, with the right chakra attached. At the moment he became an Uchiha so to speak, having both sharingan reduces the strain that just one would have.

As for the complete body susanno, the only reason that one would not be able to perform it with an MS is due to the strain that manifesting it would take on the owner and hence he would not be able to maintain it for a long while & might not be able to perform it at all if he has had prolonged use of his MS.

But with the EMS, the significantly reduced strain on the eyes, allows one to do it when he knows it is possible!

I maintain that if Sasuke had not seen Madara, do it he would not know that he could make a complete body susanno. He already had a perfect susanno, ever since he debuted at the bridge, the susanno even underwent further transformation upon getting Itachi's eyes.

kimco:
We've done this before wacky.

How do you make perfect susanoo, when you cannot gain enough experience to actually do it due to going blind. Also using the normal one even strains your body heavily. So how else do you expect that one would perform it without ems?

Also about kakashi's thing. Simply crap...ghost now give physical eyes to ninjas. That's very bad and also, kakashi shouldn't have been able to do a perfect susanoo...he shudn't have had the experience (according to you) or the chakra enough to pull it off.

And oh, you can't copy bloodline justus even if you are part of that bloodline. It's like saying itachi can copy shinshui's genjutsu because he has ms and can do tsukiyomi.

EMS doesn't reduce the strain on the body. I believe it simply means that there will be no blindness.

Lool, as for the ghost giving eyes to physical ninjas, yeah, I will agree with you,

But my point is that once Kakashi has been given those eyes, nothing more should stop him from doing a perfect time Susanne,
1. Kakashi is a copy ninja, meaning that he us good and using his sharingan to analyse a jutsu and program himself to do it. The experience is not in the just but in performing jutsus.

2. Kakashi has been using a sharingan for a long time with heavy body strain, he is not unused to strain.
b. Kakashi has been using MS for a long time, in his native MS technique Kamui, he has practiced and developed. Also he has not gone blind from his use of Kamui.

3. Linking back with point one, When you say someone cannot copy a bloodline limit technique, what do y'all mean?
Susanoo, is a bloodline limit technique? Why? Because you need a sharingan that has achieved MS level to do it? Kakashi had those. And we know it takes someone with both sharingan eyes to do the Susanoo. (In case of whatever toy were thinking, Madara, never had amaterasu).

All am saying is that, Kakashi had been seeing the perfect Susanoo many times, when he finally got the eyes to do them, he tried and he's not going to take the same time as the inexperienced Sasuke took then.

Prince zuko can you please tell me how you know when someone using MS has switched to EMS and back.

Probably with some Manga pictures.

A susanno is not something In and off itself.
There is no where where it was stated that you need the Ems to have a perfect susanno.

Being able to generate a Susanno with Legs is a function of having the chakra levels enough for that and the experience.

Sasuke had a complete susanno, but until he saw a data use a susanno with Legs did he know that he could do his too.
Same thing with Kakashi, Kakashi is not a small boy ninja, he is the copy ninja, when he was given e both eyes of Obito, the chakra drainage that came with having just one eye was significantly reduced, along with him having the full powers of the eyes.
It was left for him to take them to the next level.

I come into my account and I see mentions everywhere. Why do people want to do story the thread with Naruto vs One Piece arguments.

I don't like one piece. I don't like the graphics. But someone explained the story for me and it seemed interesting perhaps, I will be able to get over the graphics thing.

As for conflicts on the Naruto story,
PrinceZuko, have you read pages 100 - 300 on this thread, when this thread was really hot and the arguments and debates were flowing. You cannot come and just start pointing this out and that out now, when the Manga is over and those thing shave been pointed out and defended properly a long time ago.

I don't know what people are seeing in Tiwa,

her skin contrasted so badly with the tone of the suit. The black cuffs look off and the shoes are oversized.

Toke looks classy, simple and yet tasteful

People they asked who wore it better not who you liked better!

tayoccu:
guy post something cannon, not fan art.

first picture is from the manga
Second is from the Naruto movie

Where's yours?

Tosyn007:
Was it here?

*whispers* Wait bros, don't tell me that was the sound effect "Squeeze" there, because i go vex now.

Let me just believe the son, has learnt that technique from the father

tayoccu:
@WakyJ1
you were saying...?

I don't understand the point of you posting the picture, the eyes there are the normal byakugan eyes and they are by definition pupil-less eyes.
Hinawari doesn't have the Byakugan, except you wanna post the manga page where she does?

Checked Narutopedia and it wasn't put there.

All the images of her even the ones drawn by fans do not have a Byakugan in it.

Even her eye color is not the same with Hinata's own or the Neji's own you put there .

I ask again, what point are you trying to make with the picture

iPopAlomo:
person way no get eyes...

In this thread i am your ancestor,

I will engage in a debate with you when you are ready to post like a reasonable person

Same thing happened to my Innjoo i2s, it has a broken screen though the screen is responsive but Glass covering is badly broken, i want to know if the parts are available in Benin or even in Lagos.

iPopAlomo:
That Naruto pikin... sorry daughter... is hybrid... Definately has the Byakugan gift...
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is that the way a normal pupil looks like...?! na wa for you ooO...

It's a normal eye she just has her mother's eye colour.

Yes thats the way a manga pupil looks like

Ted baba anytips for online chatups, On a platform like facebook.

Normally i don't do it but this one makes me wanna dive in

Tosyn007:
I didn't notice he did that, even though I've read it again

I knew not many people would have noticed, but i notice small details like that, helps in the predictions

Danyaerys Dragon is not dead, It just wants to sleep.

In Game of thrones now, everybody is back to square one in a way, Just when you thought the people you were rooting for, were on their way t becoming the most powerful and closer to the iron throne or revenge, George strikes

Taking Danyaerys from the throne and throwing her in the middle of a dothraki horde

Blinding Arya and putting a pause in her journey to become a powerful faceless woman.

The only consolation in the season was Stannis' Death. A man who burns his own daughter on a stake can never ascend the iron throne!

So proud of Naruto in this last manga.

And it seems he has also mastered the flying God thunder technique and he has marked Sarada.

Everybody's powers are coming back wella

tayoccu:
I grow weary of arguments like this, why don't we wait for kishi to spin his plot.
and by the way naruto's daughter has a byakugan.
chapter 700 page 4

by the way chapter 700+8 is out www.mangapanda.com/naruto-gaiden-the-seventh-hokage/8

Ogbeni don't grow weary of anything..

Check the picture below and tell me when the Byakugan started having a pupil

tayoccu:
wasn't stated in the manga

What ever prediction we have made about what was going to happen in the manga then was based on things not stated in the manga but were observed from the proceedings.

You can't make a case for Sarada getting the Rinnegan anymore than you can make the case for why Boruto was born without a Dojutsu.

If the Uzumaki counterpart is the Senju which gives you the rinnegan then the Counterpart of the Uzumaki should be the Hyuuga which should have granted atleast one of the Children a Dojutsu.
Afterall The original Dojutsu possessed by the mother was the Byakugan!

The rinnegan was not even passed on to any of the Children of the Sage of 6 paths which shows it is not Hereditary and like i explained before in previous pages at that time, the Rinnegan is a kekkai Genkai among the Dojutsus.

tayoccu:
neither danzo nor obito were born with senju DNA, they spliced themselves. Sarada's case is different she was born with both DNA strains.

Spliced and born? what is the difference?

Abi the possesors of the rinnegan that we know of apart from The sage of 6 paths were born with what?

Besides you need Senju DNA not Uzumaki,

gj22:
No, you are mixing the 2.

Whitewalkers are not zombies. They are not undead and they have personalities. The guy Jon snow fought is a whitewalker, The genaral is a white walker. They are not undead. They are only vulnerable to dragon glass and valyrian steel.

Wights on the other hand are the zombies that the whitewalkers raise from the dead. They do not have personalities and are just killing machines. Their only weakness is fire.

If Jon does come back from the dead without Mel's help, he will come back a wight not a whitewalker.

I see

And what makes you think that Jon snow is just wight and not whitewalker material?

LadyBoss1:
His gonna b a white walker

Didnt u see how that other white walker was giving him one kind look lol
Well i think thats whats gonna happen .. But i dey fear d children for that programme .. Asin see set up

The white walker was giving him that look most likely because of his sword and the fact that he killed one of the generals.

Don't worry the stvpid boy will die

gj22:
I assume you mean wights since you need a white walker to become a white walker (from what we know). It's not okay for Jon to be a wight because they have no personality and only do WW bidding. Wight Jon snow is as good as dead Jon snow.

You just saw the white walkers in battle, you do not know whether they have personalities or not, the only thing we know about them is that
1. They're the undead
2. They shatter steel
3. Vulnerable to Dragon glass and valyrian steel
4. The Generals have the ability to raise the dead

The Generals are different from the normal undead we see, the Generals have something akin to flesh while the rest are just zombies

And another thing, there are two possible reasons why Jon's death scene, the close-up on his face took that long, the second reason makes me have hope.

1. It is just the perfect ending to an Epic season

2. Jon's not really Dead, he almost looked like he was icing into a white walker.

Let me just keep the hope alive thill next year

Jon snow got killed by the Character killer once again,

Before episode 8 i thought to myself that my favourite character was Jon snow, that he was the only one that was trying to do a sincerely good thing and that was seeing beyond the selfishness of the battles by those contesting for the throne and really fighting for the safety of the land, willing to unite two warring races for the greater good and that was when it occurred to me that he was going to die;

1. He was my favourite character
2. He was good

In game of thrones either you're suffering in captivity or you're bad, that's the only way you survive. and up till now, no one had really died in the entire season and he seemed like a good candidate.
When the first white walker dropped unto the snow in the battle of hardhome, my mind jumped, because i was sure this was where he was going to get killed, i was o happy he survived.

I was so sad to be right this time.

A thought or should i say revelation i have had with Jon's death is that George is not serious with the white walkers, They are never gonna come, the power play is more important to the man than the white walkers. I have not read the books but with Jon's death, that is what i am seeing.

Maybe they will come in a final battle to end the series like Lord of the Rings but that will be it, very last book

I doubt that just having the blood of the Uchiha and the Senju or the uzumaki together will gurantee that you will awaken the rinnegan.

The only people to ever awaken the rinnegan were transmigrants.
And Sarada is not a trabsmigrant, so far as we know

Yes i am loving this new episode even though i didn't understand how they went from where they had the battle with Shin to Orichimaru's hideout!

Yes i am all for TeamKarin and Sasuke as parents of Sarada, Sakura was cheated again! Truth be told, Sasuke and sakura's relationship seems loveless. Like an arrangee marriage. And we all know that Karin has been the one always showing that she is ready to bleep sasuke and he's the one that will do it "no strings" attached.

Feraz:
If eventually, that child turns out to be Karin's, then it means she stole something from Sasuke that has his DNA, maybe it's a hair! Wait a min! Are you sure Sarada is not a product of Orochimaru's experiment and probably the first person Orochimaru succeeded with?

So Karin cannot seduce a man abi?


We know one thing; Karin is still alive

Feraz:
Not a beef... Naruto is just angry that the cow does not know what diplomacy means. He knows very much about Sarada but he's not in a position to tell her since her father is still alive and will come back to tell her the whole story hence why he took her along for the mission (I'm sure he knows her intention but just ignored that).

Damn! Sasuke, you is the man!!!

Correction: Naruto himself did not Know!

Wetin dey happen, Everybody don forget how Kamui dey work again?

ihedinobi2:
I don't remember him ever moving things from one place to another like that. I think kamui moves things from earth to another dimension and back. I honestly don't remember it working any other way.
Yeah, that I remember. I rest. Lol. I see how that makes they could grab Sakura and the two Shins.

How was obito able to move from one place to another so quickly?

When you see him bring out the spiral vortex from his eye and then come out somewhere else with the same signature sign of the Kamui. Even before we knew that Kamui linked to another dimension, we saw obito use it to disappear from one place and come out another, most commonly enter the ground and pop half his body from somewhere else.

firestar:
You have been:

Jazzed by Mei,
Shocked by Ai,
Grounded by Oonoki,
Fired by Tsunade,

Or Gaara put sand in your garri.

Look beyond the obvious biko.
There's a reason why Hinawari was mentioned.

Mentioned where?

ihedinobi2:
Yeah I agree. Kamui though transports to other dimensions rather than physical places, doesn't it? Or is Sakura currently in another dimension?

Lool, How did Obito use his own Kamui?

ihedinobi2:
Lol. Because it's Wacky, I reconsider....I'm still right, I conclude.
I think you are right though. It's a warping of the space around the target, abi. So it would essentially tear out physical stuff from one place and dump it somewhere else. I need to consider it a bit more. Something still feels a bit weird about cutting Kurama's chakra arms.

Didn't Kakashi do the same thing to Deidera? When you want to transport something and you're unable to fully transport it then Kamui will rip out anything from the centre to the event horizon of the vortex.