doyin13:

The long posts tire me to read sef

una remember the '01 Sixers sha.

shuwo

I can only remember Mutombo, Iverson, Mckie and Snow. Can't remember the other members in their rotation.
And they beat a pretty good Bucks team of Allen, Cassell and Big Dog. An offensive beast at the time.

Wade WTF. . . . that sixers team were no offensive slouches.

I am not too sure but i bet they averaged close to 100 pts a game that season
to go with their staunch defense.

doyin13:

The long posts tire me to read sef

una remember the '01 Sixers sha.

shuwo

I can only remember Mutombo, Iverson, Mckie and Snow. Can't remember the other members in their rotation.
And they beat a pretty good Bucks team of Allen, Cassell and Big Dog. An offensive beast at the time.

Wade WTF. . . . that sixers team were no offensive slouches.

I am not too sure but i bet they averaged close to 100 pts a game that season
to go with their staunch defense.

A-40:

@lai-lai
I think this dead horse has been flogged enough lets move on to more productive things

@doyin
Pardon me

lai-lai:

. . .i caught u red-handed contradicting yourself and you still managed to pull this
wdf is this explanation. . . . yeah its masked so we can't see them knocking down shots because of their defensive skills,if there is no offence, there is no offence, period
see wadeftw/thugsru, if u can weave that despite being contradictory, i see this argument has no point , . . . .so peace and good luck to your defensive basketball
i wonder if every team focused on defence like u want, who will be watchin basketball, every sport has to have variety, dude

lai-lai:

with all d celts defence focused on him(top defenders in the game) leaving all his other teamates open(and they did almost nothing), he should still find a way to get the offense going on his own. . . , shit, even MJ didnt have that much burden. . . . .is he a superman that he should take care of the offense while the rest of the team just worry about defence, i don't think you know much about offense, even the best players of all time needs help on offence all the time if u don't know
a team consisting of a perimeter superstar with only defensive role players around him is rubbish

lai-lai:

ur post also interpretes that lebron is rubbish. . , . now thats a new one though u previously said kobe is over-rated, self-centered and stuf
but dnt worry, i'm not interested in arguing witchu. . . . u can state your points for the others

lai-lai:

@A-40
this wadeftw guy has over-contradicted himself that i don't even know what he's saying again
i guess you understand what he's sayin, so proceed to increase the amount of pages this thread's got , . . .lol

@wadeftw
defence is 50%, offense is 50%
so ur rants are irrelevant

A-40:

A.I's Sixers had homecourt advantage sef and a better roster they where the best team in the East that season comparing them to underdogs like the Cavs says a lot about your basketball knowledge

A-40:

Besides don't you get simple english Mr Man their rebounding and defensive stats where inconsequential because they had no offense Lebron was shut down for most of the Series and no one else stepped up even the so-called fantastic defensive and rebounding team became useless because they could not take advantage of turnover's from San Antonio they had arguably the worst points average in NBA Finals history

A-40:

Every other thing you are speaking is just grammar even a superstar with a good defensive and rebounding oriented supporting cast equally needs an offense in equal measure the Spurs always get hyped about their defense but with players like Parker and Ginobili the offensive side to their game is grossly under-rated  

A-40:

How old is Lebron?he is only a year older and was about same age if not younger than Dwight when he dragged the Cavs to the Finals but thats not the issue how can you possibly compare a supporting cast of Hedo Turkoglu,Rashad Lewis,Jameer Nelson? to an ageing Ilgauskas,Ben Wallace an inconsistent Varejao and Pavlovic? you must be high on mushrooms your excuses for Dwight Howard are not working for me as there are no guarantees that he would be as good as you are hyping him up to be in years to come.

A-40:

Now back to your comparison to him and Dirk! Dwight is panya on offense and despite his centaur-like body structure he still got pounded in the paint by a Jason Maxiell who was amazingly 5 inches shorter and i am sure a few pound s lighter too  it is only shyte Centers and defenders like Kwame Brown,Diop and Erick Dampier that would be scared to guard Dwight! D12 has been doing pretty good but if he does not deliver in post-season your theory of him being the perfect and best big man in the league does not count for squat

A-40:

Dirk has never been a post-player in the first place me i don't know where you get your figures from but D12 is a Center and Dirk is a power forward their styles are pretty contrasting i have never been a big fan of regular season stats though and by the time the playoff season comes along you would see why! Marcus Camby has won defensive player of the year a few times too so has Ron Artest so why are you ranting about being DPOY? his stats are very impressive but whether it would count come playoff time when it matters is a different story

A-40:

Now talking about defense Dirk is number 4 in defensive rebounds in the league per game he might not be the best defender but he is not as soft as you haters paint him to be

A-40:

Dwight might have the better stats but till he proves his worth in the playoffs  you guys should just tape it shut and stop over-hyping that is my point

And one last thing ESPN polls don't count for squat an ageing TD still managed the Western Conference Finals how far did Mr Superman go?

A-40:

Are you talking about the Lakers or the Cavs because that series ended in 6

As for that series even if Lebron did have a stinker can you name one player in the entire

Cavs roster that stepped up at any end of the floor throughout that series sweep?they

where all shyte from Big Z to Larry Hughes,Drew Gooden,Donyell Marshall Lebron should

be given credit for dragging arguably the most untalented roster to the NBA Finals the

Spurs have conquered better teams in the Knicks,Nets and Pistons in the past
The Cavs meltdown was down to the fact that no one stepped up i repeat no one!!

A-40:

Yeah D12's team went further but lost to an ageing Pistons team in 5 games and thats the

same team which Lebron's average Cavs beat in six games abeg i am not buying into

Dwight' Howard's hype yet comparing him to Lebron is an insult are you talking of

someone that averaged 35 points in his debut playoff season   .Howard still has a mighty

long way to go you guys should not over hype this kid just yet
Back to Dirk i would believe the Mavs and Avery Johnson where star-struck when they

came across their former master in Don Nelson we lost 3-0 in the regular season to them so i

am sure it must have played in their heads somewhat but thats not the issue
Granted low-post players tend to make more impact but thats not always the case there

are exceptions and Dirk is one of them
And today's game has changed with the rules offensive fouls and everything it is more inclined to the

guards and smaller guys if you doubt that look at the last 5 NBA Finals MVP list TD is the only big man you would find in the list so as a big man you have to develop and outside shot either from 18feet,15 or 10 this is what Dirk does expertly Dwight Howard is still a work in progress and is in no wise better than Dirk

A-40:

You can choose to care or not care but you cannot tell me thats not a factor unless you don't know your ball.Stop mentioning D12 he has not done squat in the post-season yet D.Wade did that in his 3rd season the fact is today's game has shifted from just relying on a big man to having good PG and Shooting guards who can either control traffic or take the game by the scruff of its neck Miami and Detroit are good examples even Shaq did not win his three rings without good backup from Kobe
Back to Dirk if you compare Dallas of old to what the Mavs have achieved in the last 4 or 5 years you would appreciate the goodness of Dirk i have told you defense is not a strong trait of European players if you don't get that then i am sorry i can't help you his array of moves driving to the hoop,shooting and handling the rock so good is the envy of all big men across the league Dirk is marquee a ring is all that would stop this hate and even if he does not win one i would name countless greats like Karl Malone and Reggie Miller that where not so lucky either

A-40:

Get this clear!! Lebron is the heart and soul of the Cavs no Lebron and the Cavs go straight back to the potential D-league team they where before King James came along if Cleveland had someone half as good as Lebron on their roster they would have won a ring
Defense is good but when you have anaemic offense you can only go so far as the Cavs found out against the Spurs when you miss open jumpers,layups and free throws what good is your defense?

A-40:

Defense and rebounding is important i agree but of what use is all that if you can't get any offense go and watch the 07 NBA Finals again you would realize the importance of offense my brother they where probably the lowest scoring team in NBA Final history their support cast is not supporting enough on offense Game 7 at Boston is another example

A-40:

He is European!! how does the typical European big man play? where do you watch your basketball sef?Dirk still has game he still puts up 20 + points 9 rebounds and 3 assists per night he is still Mr Maverick and still has game what we need to do is get rid of Jason Kidd he has been producing stinker after stinker
I just hope they can make 1st seed although with the way the Celts are playing thats unlikely to happen and now that they have established that they have the pistons like defense of old the question now is can they get some offense from Pavlovic,Gibson,Ilgauskas,West,Szcerbiak,Wallace and the other loafers

lai-lai:

@wafeftw
are u saying that cavs were still more likely to lose last year even if they had homecourt advantage?

and your second point is like announcing on a microphone that 1 + 1 = 2

lai-lai:

cavs are definitely more than just lebron now and last year, it was d home court advantage as A-40 said
i expect a closer, grittier series if they happen to hav a matchup this season

JeSoul:

  Wade, you're funny, the way you consistently read more into my posts that I state. my goodness you're a piece of work. When one says lack of offense does that = zero offense?    whether na inconsistent or lack of offense, it equals the same thing in that the bench needs help.
  Even if you wanted to be nitpicky about my words, did I not break it down further to individual players? that Powe was good, Allen and House needed to step it up, but Davis & Scal are the real offensive liabilities?

omi tutu:

hehehehe. . .

Jesoul and WadeFTW .

Bo, I bet there are more pertinent issues in the NBA season than the Celts bench

Like. . . .Is Dirk the best big man in the NBA?

JeSoul:

  Oga Wade you're not listening to me, I did not say our bench is garbage, I said the bench is good, but it is not championship level yet!
  Obviously both the starters & the bench must be doing something very right with a 20-2 record    I did not say either the Celtic bench does not outplay other teams on different nights, I said they are inconsistent! Drop 60 today and 10 tomorrow so obviously the averages will not show these inconsistent numbers.
 
  My simple point is this: the bench is good, but not ready to repeat. Kapish.

    you were just quoting stats for me how the bench doesn't play long enough . . . now the story is if perhaps Doc is leaving them in too long? 
  who is complaining?  we are 20-2! I simply said the Celtics one weakness is getting consistent offense from their bench. Shikena.

JeSoul:

lol . . . the reason Doc Rivers doesn't play them more is because they don't produce offense! They lose huge double digit leads and Doc has to quickly bring back the starters to stop the bleeding.

Did you watch the last 2 games? esp last night? Jim O'brien's strategy worked to a T because he brought in his starters against the Celtics bench, and quickly the 1Q double digit lead evaporated.

I'm not saying the bench is a complete wash out, Powe is great, and like I said House and Tony Allen are very good, they just need to be consistent every night. We're not trying to be an average team, but a repeat championship team. And you cannot do that with a half-baked, average bench.

JeSoul:

    for where?  I love Glen Davis but he's an offensively liability and so is the red head Scalabrine. House is great but inconsistent and so is Tony Allen. It's only Powe that I have confidence in to bring it every night. Nah depth is not a word I'd associate with the Celtics bench.
  You certainly got that right. I think if they can somehow snag a proven veteran to help on reserve scoring, it'll go a long way.

A-40:

@Jesoul
I am not sure the Cavs are as one-man as they where in 07 when they lost to the Spurs although i still agree the rest of the team is shyte but looking at last season's playoff series you and i know that homecourt was what saw you through against ATL and Cleveland y'all are still favorites though but not unbeatable

JeSoul:

The Cavs are a 1-man team. Using the Lakers template, find a way to neutralize or contain or at best limit the damage from Lebron, and shut everyone else down, Lebron cannot win by himself. Remember the stinker of a 'series' in the finals?

The Celtics have a huge weakness though: lack of offense from our bench. Ainge needs to trade for someone before the deadline or sign someone or else repeating will be a tall order with the current reserves.

made.n.Nigeria:

WadeFTW, 
The reason why I say Miami is better off picking Beasley (or any other quality front court player ) is because I believe their problem is at the front court,  They lost(cause Wade got hurt in the series) in the conf. finals years back when Shaq was effective and they even won it all when Shaq was somewhat effective,  And remember who did they have as their PG when they got to conf. finals??,  Damon Jones,
Who did they have when they won? JWill, Teams don't really need to true PG to go all the way, above average will do, long as there's an allworld SG and centre or PF

made.n.Nigeria:

Man I think even if Miami had the first pick, they'd pick Beasley, they already have Dwade, why choose another player similar to him,

Wit Wade in the backcourt any other PG will do, (they won the with Jwill at the PG spot), just like any team will Kobe can make do with any PG,

I always say that Miami biggest issue is the front court, No knock against Haslem, but he's a role player at best( gives u 15-18pts, 10 reb any given night), they need a more dominant post presence,

A similar example is the nets, they possibly the best PG in the game at Jkidd, they've 2 quality, 2 star wing players in Carter and Jefferson, but they're still struggling, why because, they absolutely NO presence in the post,
Let me hear your thoughts,

made.n.Nigeria:

WadeFTW, Please why do u think u're ALWAYS right and does your opinion HAVE to be the correct one,

If I'm right, You said so u'reself that u're the most knowledgeable person on hoops in the forum, Not that I care or anything, but that's not so necessary, to say such a thing,

Anyways, about your argument, A team doesn't always have to go with a pure point guard, Check the rosters of the last few NBA championship teams, and tell me if the starting PG is a "true PG", Lakers won 3 straight crowns without one, Tony Parker sure as hell isn't one and I don't know if I'd call Billups one (he's naturally is scorer, he's just transformed into a PG),
So it doesn't really matter, whether Rose is a "true PG",

And for what it's worth, I'd take Mayo over Rose in a heartbeat, Mayo is a better all around player, even at the guard spot, And Mayo is a better defender, even the scouts say this, And their head to head matchup proved it, go look at the box score,

And yes i know the Tigers won the game, that's just because they've the better, more experienced team,

And I think Miami's biggest problem is at the front court, not the backcourt, Dwade has shown that he can more than fill it up at the backcourt when he's healthy, So Rose will not be a solution to their ocean of problems, They need a Mike Beasley, heck everyone does,

And I think Riles has overstayed his welcome as a coach, they should get another one, He did nothing in the offseason as far as getting new players, Smush parker, please, Ricky davis, not too bad,

lai-lai:

just stating the obvious

lai-lai:

derrick rose stil has things to learn