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italo:
Who told you Judas was hanging by the neck? The county investigator?

If a county investigator's testimony is empirical evidence, so is the gospel writers' testimonies.

Judas hanged...and Judas fell head long and burst open.

If you cannot agree that the above is possible, why should we move to another topic.

You'll just keep denying the possible.

The bible says he went out and "hanged himself." Please describe another scenario besides the constriction of the trachea.

Reyginus:
Simply to help you stand in a better position to make it difficult for me. I know you' like that.

Jesus is imaginary. You do know that, don't you?

Reyginus:
That is not the question. I will repeat again.

As God the Son did Jesus claim to be bigger
than the Almighty God the Father?

What is the purpose of these questions? You must have a point to this. What is it?

Reyginus:
Lol. The same dude who a moment ago said he is not a Christain to know whom jesus prayed to. Okay. Let me still make it easy for you before we begin the hard part.

As God the Son did Jesus claim to be bigger than the Almighty God the Father? Watch the question carefully.

What exactly is the purpose of this silly line of questioning? I don't remember.

Tyler was physically stronger than Edward Norton in Fight Club, just like Jesus the Father has more strength than Jesus the Son. SchizophrenIa is a mental disorder, for reasons such as the above.

Reyginus:
When Jesus prayed, who was he praying to?

How many times must I keep repeating myself? Jesus IS God to Christians. In the bible, Jesus offers prayers to another remote version of himself. This version is called The Father.

When Edward Norton speaks to Tyler in Fight Club, he's talking to another version of himself. Schizophrenia is a very common disease, and is usually accompanied by delusions of grandeur as we observe with the character Jesus.

John 1 King James Version (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Reyginus:
Does that sound rational to you?

Am I a Christian? Why don't you ask ANY Christian here, and see if you'll get a different response.

FOLYKAZE:
Atheist indeed!

What do you mean? Maybe I should ask you the same question you asked me, so that you can appreciate how noncogent it is.

Do you disbelieve in the God Goodluck E. Jonathan, current president of Nigeria?

Reyginus:
I am trying to make the argument easy for you. The best thing would have been to take back the word and still go ahead to make your claim. But as long as you insist on staying here with me the odds are against you.

The question is, who do Christains pray to through Jesus? You still have a chance to even the odds.

Christians pray to Jesus, through Jesus. If you don't believe me, ask any Christian on this forum. Hahaha

Study Concludes Intercessory Prayer Doesn’t Work; Christians Twist the Results


by: Guest Contributor
I was reading an article in Christianity Today and one of the paragraphs made me do a double-take. I couldn’t believe anyone was actually writing it… it was incredible how much fact-twisting was going on.
First, a bit of background.
It’s no surprise that prayer can have a positive effect on those who believe in it. If you pray, it can relax you and make you feel better. If you know others are praying for you — that others care about you — you feel better and your body might actually respond to that positivity. None of this has anything to do with a god answering (or even listening to) the prayers. It functions more like meditation. Prayer can have a calming, healing effect for those who buy into it.





But what happens when others pray for you and you are unaware of it? To no atheist’s surprise, this has never been shown to work.

This idea has been tested repeatedly — usually, the studies have flaws. And even when the results show that the intercessory prayer has no effect on anyone, those who believe in it will look at the hits and ignore (or rationalize) the misses.
Three years ago, a multi-million-dollar, controlled, double-blind study was conducted to test intercessory prayer.

The Study of the Therapeutic Effects of Intercessory Prayer (STEP) found two major results:
1) “Intercessory prayer had no effect on recovery from surgery without complications.”
2) “Patients who knew they were receiving intercessory prayer fared worse.”

Fared worse?!
Even I was surprised by that. So were many Christians — this didn’t sit well with them.

This new article from Christianity Today, though, offers a rationalization I’ve never heard before. You can tell they’re really straining to find a silver lining…


"Ironically, STEP actually supports the Christian worldview. Our prayers are nothing at all like magical incantations. Our God bears no resemblance to a vending machine. The real scandal of the study is not that the prayed-for group did worse, but that the not-prayed-for group received just as much, if not more, of God’s blessings. In other words, God seems to have granted favor without regard to either the quantity or even the quality of the prayers. By instinct, we might selfishly prefer that God give preferential treatment to those who are especially, deliberately, and correctly prayed for, but he seems to act otherwise.
True to his character, God appears inclined to heal and bless as many as possible."

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2009/05/15/study-concludes-intercessory-prayer-doesnt-work-christians-twist-the-results/

Prayers offered to a palm tree or toothbrush have as much success as prayers offered to Jesus.

Doesn't matter what the prayer is about.

VirginFinder:
Congratulations

But I said the 6 seconds is too short to a meaningful confession and repentance.
Rather, one will watch a quick summary of their life.

What makes you think you can ever outsmart God especially as you have decided to intentionally outsmart Him?

You are very mistaken bro if you think you can outsmart God.
It will NEVER be!

Today is the day of salvation.
Repent before it's too late.

Which God are you referring to? You have to be more specific. According to Folykaze, Beyonce and I are Gods.

FOLYKAZE:
And you keep bragging of absolutely NOTHING.

You have failed to tell me if you disbelieve in the existence of Goddess Bey (Beyonce).

It's a silly question. I believe in Beyonce as much as I believe in you or a 2015 Chevy Tahoe. I thought we had already settled that.

italo:
Jesus is then proved by all his believers.

LOL, I wanna see you try. In fact, I dare you to try and show me that he's NOT imaginary. This should be relatively easy to demonstrate, according John 14:12.

Jesus, the character in the bible says this:

"Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father."

If you then claim that this character is real, unlike Harry Potter, then those words will be true.

Unless you don't believe and are merely here to make noise and conform with tradition.

italo:
Nowhere was it said there that his bowels didnt burst open...or were intact.

Besides, I thought your idea of "evidence" was empirical evidence, not a mere narration by a mere reporter.

Can I also supply narrative proof of anything you ask me?

It is empirical enough. I will take the word of the county investigators over your highly unlikely possibility that his stomach magically burst open after 12 hours.

As for Judas, the bible does say that his body burst open after he fell headfirst, a condition incompatible with a hanging death in a field. How do you fall headfirst if you're hanging by the neck?

Besides, these contradictions should be addressed as they appear, otherwise we run the risk of ignoring many of them.

I first asked you about God creating man before beasts or vice versa. You pretended to have dementia, preferring instead to latch unto the absurd argument that the body of the actor Robin Williams burst open after he hung himself.

italo:
Ok. God is disproved because one frustrated "Weah96" said he is disproved.

God is then proved by all his believers.

No, not God. Don't confuse yourself. I am unable to disprove God. Yoruba "spiritualists," for example, believe that I'm God.

Nicki Minaj is also a God, by definition. She's a real person.

So you see, I'm not here to prove that Nicki Minaj or I don't exist. That would be ridiculous. Are we on the same page now?

Jesus is another matter. He, along with Peter Parker, Obi Okonkwo, and Harry Potter don't exist.

Hiswordxray:
Am only trying to help you see the true reason why you are here in religion section.

You are suffering from fear and guilt and you blame God for it.

Thanks to Folykaze, we've established that the word God means absolutely NOTHING.

Be more specific please. You really mean the long haired white man called Jesus, right? That's the image of what God is in your head, is it not?

italo:
And all hanged bodies end up the same way?

You're a grown adult?

Besides, where's your proof that Williams body didnt burst open?

"Williams and his wife, Susan Schneider, were alone Sunday night in their home, which fronts San Francisco Bay, Boyd said. Sheriff's officials had previously said Williams was last seen at 10 p.m., but Boyd said Schneider retired to a bedroom at 10:30 p.m.

It was not known when Williams went to bed in a separate bedroom.

Schneider left home at 10:30 a.m. the next day, believing her husband was OK, Boyd said. At 11:45 a.m., the personal assistant became concerned when Williams failed to respond to knocks at his door.

When the assistant entered, Williams was unresponsive, clothed and "cool to the touch," Boyd said. The belt was wedged between the closet door and the door frame, Williams' right shoulder was touching the door and his body was "slightly suspended," as though in a seated position."
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-robin-williams-death-coroners-investigation-will-take-weeks-20140812-story.html

Is that proof enough that the man bowels didn't explode or would you like a link to the LA county autopsy report?

You're talking rubbish and making s)hit up. I quote the bible while you add random things to scriptures.

honourhim:
All your replies to me and to others have made me laugh so much, and at the same time it has shown me how much you need to be remembered in prayers so that your soul won't be lost in eternity. May God help you. Amen.

Prayers are USELESS, even more useless than soiled toilet paper.

We could put it to the test, if you have the balls for it. Followers of the imaginary Jesus are usually cowards, so I expect you to tuck your tail.

Hiswordxray:
The only evidence I need is that fear in your heart.
That emptiness the had made you restless and frustrated.

Huh? So you worship an imaginary entity and wish that others should join you in the madness, heh?

italo:
At least you admit that my religion has not been proven to be a sham.

No, it has. Disproving God is one thing, disproving JESUS is another.

Jesus and Yahweh do not exist. Their "own" words give them away as fictional characters created by men, not unlike Peter Parker and Obi Okonkwo.

Igbos are igbos. Jews are Jews. How could Igbos possibly be Jews? I would love to hear that story.

Hiswordxray:
when will you humble yourself and ask for help?

If you desperately don't what to miss heaven, disproving it won't help you.

I'll give anything to avoid the Christian version of heaven.

Hiswordxray:
Is that what you tell yourself so that you won't feel bad that you won't end up in heaven?

Which heaven? Do you believe in Allah and Mohammed his prophet?

Otherwise, be quiet. Heaven is only a pipe dream for unbelievers like you.

oneda:
To scientists and atheists and all those who believe in Evolution.

With all the evidences available and more being discovered, with the innumerable fossils of extinct creatures etc etc, why is EVOLUTION still called a theory?
And more importantly, why do some people believe that all the complexities of living things today were once a single amoebic cell?
What started this cell?

As for the big bang theory, what started the gas bubble that later developed to the big gas bubble that then exploded?

Evolution doesn't have anything to do with the big bang theory.

I had a biology professor in undergrad who used to call the big bang theory "hand waving."

He was the resident evolutionist at the university then. Still is.

italo:
Where do dead bodies obtain decomposition from?

From your closet?

Who told you that his body was decomposed? The famous actor Robin Williams recently committed suicide by hanging.

He didn't fall headlong and his bowels didn't burst open.

italo:
The bowels of decomposed bodies cannot gush out of they fall from hanging position?

Decomposed? Where did you obtain that information?

italo:
And it is impossible for a man to hang himself and afterwards his body falls headlong?

The simple answer is YES. The bowels of hanging victims don't gush out.

Unless an incision was made which the bible failed to mention.

italo:
And it is impossible for a man to hang himself and afterwards his body falls headlong?

OK, the field. Who purchased it?

VirginFinder:
Come on. An injured person who is still conscious may not be at the risk of death at least immediately. Such a person will be looking forward to help, treatment and recovery.
But an injured person who is unconscious may or may not regain consciousness to confess and repent.

Talking about 6 seconds, I think a quick summary of the person's life is replayed shortly before death. It's not a time to confess and repent at all. It's damn too short.

Now is the best time to confess and repent.

I've experienced death before, albeit under the influence of shrooms.

One always has 6 seconds, even in a plane crash.

Jehovah God in the bible had a physical confrontation with Jacob at Peniel. Ali-Frazier stuff. Jacob must have been as strong as Arnold Schwarzenegger in the 80s.

tiswell:
They were d last of *fallen angels* dey were canal minded,filled wit lust for beautiful daughters of men...wondering how dey were able to develop a canal urge while in heaven though.

Ah ah, fallen angels are now God's own sons?

Lower back problems. Ask Queen Latifah, she had her jugs surgically reduced in size.