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Another contradiction:

How did Judas the traitor die? What happened to the payment he received?


ACT 1:18: "Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out."

MAT 27:5-7: "And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests...bought with them the potter's field."

Another contradiction:

Did God create man before beasts or beast before man?


GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

italo:
I am a son to my father...grandfather...uncle.

Have I contradicted myself, Atheist?

No, sounds like you're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. You do realize that I've got at least a thousand of these contradictions right?

Are you prepared to produce more arguments like "I'm my uncle's son?" Hahaha.

Prayers sent from this location take the express route to God's ears, as opposed to prayers offered from your home or church.

italo:
I am the son of my grandfather and Uncle.

Huh? SMH.

italo:
The Bible has no contradictions.

The contradictions are in your misunderstanding of the Bible.

Unfortunately for you, virtuous men have already gone through the bible with painstaking dedication, and so my work has been done in advance.


Who is the father of Joseph?

MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.


http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html#father_of_joseph

italo:
Nobody has proved here that God doesn't exist as a spirit...

That he didn't create the world...

That Jesus, who is God did not come in human flesh, born by Mary...

That Jesus didn't die and resurrect...

That he will not come again to judge the living and the dead...

That The Catholic Church is not the mystical body of Christ, inspired by the Holy Spirit...

That there is no life after death in this world...

Going by the topic of the OP, I expect the most intelligent Atheist here to prove these to me.

I have proven that Jesus is only imaginary. See the last page in this thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/1984598/reyginus-explain-genesis-creation-story/3

FOLYKAZE:
You admit Nicki is God. You admit atheism is disbelieve in the existence of God. And you ended saying I am confused?

M, do you disbelieve in the existence of God (defined as Nicki Minaj)?

To tell you more, you might not belief in any God (this is non-belief). Athiesm is the disbelieve in the existence of God. Nicki is God and she does exist. Do you disbelieve in her existence?



People might not believe in Nicki as there God. This doesnot disqualify her as God. When you dont belief in her, you are non-believer. Atheists reject the existence of God. Since Nicki is a God and you accept this, you cannot disbelieve in her existence because she does exist.



Note, the person has to define the kind of spirit he/she disbelieve in.

If the person just say spirit, he/she might be hold for his/her word.

Atheism has to do with God, not some specific kind of God.

I'm done with you. Play crazy on your own time.

adewaleh:
Are you brainwashed? What about some of your neighbors, are they brainwashed? Before you answer that, let us ask you a few preliminary questions: Do you believe that the United States was struck by a terrorist attack on Sept. 11? Do think that the people behind that attack were "Arabs" and that its "mastermind" was this fellow Osama bin Laden, operating from a cave in Afghanistan? Do you believe that the way to stop terrorism is to hit them hard, to hit them at their "bases" in such places as Afghanistan, and to hit the nations who might sponsor them, like, say Iraq?

And what about the economy? Do you think that the recent fall of the stock market, and the weakness in the economy, have been caused by the Sept. 11 attacks? Well, if you answered "yes" to any of these questions, you probably are brainwashed! If you answered "yes" to more than one, you are definitely a "goner."

"But," you, reply, "isn't that what most people think? Wouldn't they answer those questions the same way I do? Well, the answer to that is, yes. But, we would remind you: Just because the majority of people might BELIEVE something to be true, doesn't make it true. All it means, is that you and most of your neighbors are suffering from a mass delusion--or, put more bluntly: YOU ARE BRAINWASHED. So, the question is, really, how did you get this way? How did you come to believe things like those statements in the first questions were true? "Well, I heard it on.... Well, I saw it on.... Well, I read it in...."


http://www.rense.com/general15/tr.htm

And how were you able to escape this Goebbels-esque campaign of mass delusion yourself?

RaphaellaDD:
Of course, you'll want to know. Well i was diagnosed with astigmatism and myopia in 2010 but I didn't have the cash to get the treatment and glasses that I needed. I also didn't fancy the idea of wearing glasses. The condition was really bad cause I had acute eye aches, and my eyes were constantly sore and irritated. I had problems in school because of this. Anyways, I was born into a spiritual ,Christian family and I know who i am,so I sowed a seed on it in church and just put the issue behind me. I went back for an eye checkup in 2011 and the doctor told me that my eyes are , in short, brand new. I haven't had any issues with my eyes since then.

I too suffer from myopia. If it suddenly went away, I wouldn't need a doctor to tell me that. You do know what myopia is, right?

Your story suggests that you didn't learn that your symptoms had disappeared until the doctor told you.

On the way to the doctor's office, were you able to SEE clearly or not? At what point exactly did you begin to SEE clearly?

Ukutsgp:
God dnt accept tithe of those tins

Oh, did God mention this to you or are you making it up as you go along?

Dapo777:
God told someone on earth about the bet he had with Satan over job Shey?

Later na, after he won the bet. Wait a minute, what exactly did God win in the bet?

I'm being told that Satan is currently running wild everywhere. What was the purpose of the wager then?

FOLYKAZE:
According to you, atheism is disbelieve in the existence of theistic God but a/some believe in other form of God.

You seem to be confusing yourself. I don't believe in any God. We examined the dictionary definition of God and saw that it can mean an influential person. Nicki Minaj is an influential person, and therefore the word is appropriate, albeit controversial.

I don't believe IN Nicki Minaj. All I'm saying is that she is a GOD, a statement which is grammatically and linguistically correct. Using this definition of God, people don't exactly believe IN it, like the traditional meaning.

The word SPIRIT also means someone's true intentions or current mood.

When someone says that he doesn't believe in spirits, he's not saying that human beings don't have hidden intentions or different moods. Those other definitions have been acknowledged.

FOLYKAZE:
The bold knocks you down. It defies atheism (disbelieve in the existence of God).

LOL. You couldn't possibly be serious. Nicki Minaj is not a personal God.

Say someone decides to create their own religion now, and declare, just for the hell of it, that every pair of Nike shoes on the planet is a God. Who am I to argue with his choice of words? I would know that he's simply referring to sneakers and not the traditional connotation of the word "God."

winedeal:
yes smoking in general

Eliminate the smoke. Use a vaporizer.

VirginFinder:
Few? Wrong.
Even clergymen may not be that lucky.
Besides, you may not even be thinking about the most important thing - heaven - since it never was in your mind.

Listen, an injured or such person knows when his death is imminent. You will have six seconds to use your brain for something. You can say a few magic words with that time, or do something else.

FOLYKAZE:
In Yoruba religion system, human Judges are God.

Judges apart, In yoruba religion system, each individual is a God.

Are we not polytheistic? Lets see how you will bend this also.



And pls answer my question once and for all, do you disbelieve in the existence of God (defined judges and influencial person)?

I'm not familiar with the Yoruba religious system, so I may have to take your word on that one.

Ok, let's assume that everyone is a God. Who then am I? The devil? Because I can assure you that I'm not a God.
I would know, I think. Hahaha.

Listen if you want to call Nicky Minaj, God, then go ahead. I think that calling her an "influential person" suffices, but you're welcome to use the more controversial one.

A cigarette is called a fa(g) in Britain, I believe, but asking for a fa(g) around my neck of the woods is likely to get you punched in the face.

And yes, I believe that nicki minaj, the influential person or God, exists and is real.

We atheists aren't concerned with word games and silly semantics, though. We're talking about the same connotation of God that roughly 6 billion other people recognize.

FOLYKAZE:
The bolded. . . God

3. an adored, admired, or influential person.

http://www.google.com/m?q=definition+god

Are the judges not human?

You said the bolded, only to completely ignore the phrase, "in a polytheistic religion."

That narrows it down to the Gods of religion, wouldn't you say?

urheme:
"Man is not good to a woman because of religion"
How?
Pls explain

The love that a man has for his wife is not motivated by passages in scriptures. Her a)ss and tits maybe, but not scriptures.

Reyginus:
Okay then. Answer the question.

I did. What question are you talking about?

FOLYKAZE:
You are the one that said praying to something makes it a Deity.

People pray to the court.


You hate anthromorphical God, while the law is anthromorpise.

Deity is God. God can be influencial, admired and adored person; the judges falls here.

Therefore judges are deity.

de·i·ty
ˈdēədē,ˈdāədē/

noun
a god or goddess (in a polytheistic religion).
"a deity of ancient Greece"
synonyms: god, goddess, divine being, supreme being, divinity, immortal; More


divine status, quality, or nature.
"a ruler driven by delusions of deity"


the creator and supreme being (in a monotheistic religion such as Christianity).
noun: Deity; noun: the Deity

Which one of these definitions applies to a human judge or to a courthouse?

Reyginus:
Ok then. If you insist that Jesus is God when then do Christains still pray through him to Him?

I don't insist, the bible does. Did I write the book of Timothy?

Yahweh, the deity, has three alter egos. Yahweh, Jesus, and holy spirit.

The schizophrenia is advanced to the point where these alter egos can detach themselves from the main unit, Yahweh, and conduct activities remotely.

Have you seen the movie Fight Club, with Brad Pitt and Edward Norton? Its like that, with an extra personality.

PastorAIO:
In this biblical passage Judges are referred to as gods.


God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

2How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

3Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

4Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

5They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

6I have said, Ye are gods

The bible isn't exactly the model of common sense, or honesty, for that matter.

Reyginus:
You will confuse yourself before you even make a step. If you understand yourself very well you would have seen the mistake screaming.

To begin with, if Jesus is the Christain God then which God does a Christain pray to in the name of Jesus? Watch your every sentence.

Christians offer prayers to Jesus. Haven't you been in church? Jesus is LORD.


1 Timothy 3:16King James Version (KJV)

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Reyginus:
Dude calm down. I am going to make it easy for you. All I expected was just a simple argument that destroys the existence of God. The Jesus analogy will not help you here.

I am trying to make it easy for you. If I wanted to end the argument very quick I would simply tell you that inefficacy doesn't imply non-existence. That would simply put your argument to rest as your entire written is only saying that evil is a proof that their is no God. It would be more pardonable to suggest that evil is a proof that the creator is not concerned with our affairs or He is an evil God.

I'm not here to prove that God doesn't exist. That would be impossible. But I'm here to prove that Jesus doesn't exist. He is YOUR God is he not?

Other human beings have their own Gods. Jesus is YOURS.

I don't think you understand the point. Even in the bible, when the God-human Jesus supposedly walked the earth wearing sandals, people were doing horrible things to one another.

So you see, the presence of evil is not the issue. However, Jesus says, very unambiguously, that prayers offered to HIM, by ANYONE who believes in him, will be answered.

Even ridiculous prayers like commanding a mountain to fall into the sea won't go unanswered. Btw, it was Jesus who brought up the analogy of a mountain falling into the sea, apparently trying to prove a point about his prayer answering capabilities.

I say forget the mountain. Let's pray for pediatric cancer patients, pleading for Jesus to heal them ALL. What do you think will happen?

As for your argument regarding the efficacy and non existence, once again you're on the wrong side of scriptures.

Assume you purchase a new phone, and the seller tells you that the phone is in excellent condition, has a full battery, and all you have to do is press the power button at the top to turn it on.

However, after about 100 times of button mashing, the phone refuses to turn on.

Meanwhile, the seller hasn't changed ANY of his previous statements. He's still claiming that all you need to do is push the power button and the phone will come on. He still claims that the battery is FULL.

At what point do you just say that the phone doesn't work, probably even punch the vendor in the face for talking rubbish?

According to your "inefficacy doesn't imply nonexistence" argument, the answer would be NEVER.

FOLYKAZE:
Prayer means petition. We pray to court. . . .not so?

Judges are human and some are admired, adored and influencial person which qualifies them as Deity.



Are you atheists to primary connotion and believe in the secondary connotion of the word?

Guy, ee be like say u dey argue for d sake of argument.

How is a court the same as a DEITY? How can a judge be a deity?

Jesus died, like all human beings do in nature.

Someone should have seen the vision na. Isn't that how these things work?
May he rest in peace though.

birdman:
I am not sure I am even qualified to explain this tragedy. I do know that it will work out for his good.

What is going to work out for his good? Abeg, don't make me laugh during this tragic moment.

Do you not see the number of pages in this thread? People are coming to offer their condolences while you're here providing confusion.

Reyginus:
I would like to see you refute his existence. Go on...

There are several lines of argument which prove that Jesus is imaginary.

The easiest one involves an examination of Jesus as defined in the Christian scriptures, and the Jesus we experience in real life. If Jesus is described one way in the scriptures, and reality suggests another definition, then he doesn't exist.

Let's begin with the issue of PRAYERS. Jesus was VERY outspoken in the bible about prayers in general and what we should expect after praying.
Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16 all make definite statements about prayers.

We could arrange a simple experiment. I challenge you to pray in the name of Jesus that every case of pediatric cancer be cured immediately. All the requirements have been met.

You have faith and according to Matthew 17:20, NOTHING will be impossible upon request.

John 14:12-24

"I tell you the truth, ANYONE WHO HAS FAITH IN ME will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. And I WILL DO WHATEVER YOU ASK in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for ANYTHING in my name, and I will do it."

My question to you is, do you have faith in this Jesus? Do you believe that the bible is the word if God. If so, then curing every case of pediatric cancer through prayers should be a walk in the park. That's not MY idea, I'm merely repeating what Jesus said in the bible.

The fact that impossible things remain impossible is enough proof for me that.

1. Jesus doesn't exist.

2. Jesus exists but he doesn't answer prayers, even prayers offered on behalf of cancer stricken children.

I don't have to tell you that a non prayer answering Jesus renders the one in the bible a LIAR. Either way you cut it then, the Jesus from the bible doesn't exist.

I'll let you respond before going into the results of double blind scientific experiments on the efficacy of prayers.

The woman is angry, what can I say. Probably read too many books.

I read a huge book as a child, the Plague, I believe it was called, at least 1200 pages.

A mad Irish scientist created a virus or something which killed every female in Britain. I don't believe he was ever apprehended.

Maybe she read the same book.

VirginFinder:
hahaha

You may not be that lucky.

Infact, I think those who ever have the slightest inkling that they'll soon die or who have a few moments to live before giving up the ghost are good standing Christians whom the Lord has decided to have mercy on thereby allowing them to make amends before they die.

Most diehard sinners may die suddenly and if at all they have the opportunity to repent, they will most likely not be able to take advantage of it because of guilty conscience. E.g. Judas Iscariot.

Today is the day of salvation. Tomorrow might be too late.

Few people die suddenly, one always gets a chance to think about something.