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The.Big.Urban:
keep bringing more evidence.

One of us is fooling himself. We will see in the future

Why do you continue to debate a demonstrable liar? It's one thing to argue with a theist, but this one is babyish and acts like a small stubborn child. At some point, a line has to be drawn. Just my two cents.

UrbanMystique: And what exactly concerns atheists with this?

Nothing, but non sequitur is a staple of religionists, so I won't be surprised if the OP is prepared to present another one here. In other words, he's trying to imply that the big bang isn't true which means that his bible is.

proo212: Brothers and sisters sitting on the fence or those who do not know the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob personally, please draw closer to God and He will draw closer to you.

Be careful, his God is also the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. LOL. But all jokes aside, I believe that we may be on the precipice of global war. Make una clutch your faith well well.
Ukraine just yesterday ended the ceasefire with Russia and practically declared outright war. Israel is about to blow Hamas away for killing their 3 pikins. This Islamic State or Caliphate in Iraq has already laid claim to sovereign territories like Syria, Jordan, Kuwait, Israel, and Turkey. Boko Haram is waging unprecedented war against the largest population of black people on Earth. I don't remember there ever being this number and magnitude of conflicts in my lifetime. The Vietnam and Biafran wars were before my time.

For Christians who are interested in end times deliberations, what is your opinion on the number 666 having a relationship with the internet? Most of you are aware that in ancient Hebrew, the original language of the Tanakh, ancient Greek (the first language into which the Tanakh was translated), and in modern Hebrew, numbers and letters are interchangeable. There are no numbers like 1,2,3...etc. Letters doubled as numbers so if someone wrote A BOY for example, they could have been referring to a boy or the numerical equivalent of 1+2+15+25. Modern Hebrew uses a distinction to denote numbers, but in ancient Hebrew, all bets were off. Ancient Hebrew didn't even have vowels, so the problem was even "worser" as they say.
Having said that, I recently found out that the acronym for world wide web or WWW does come out to 666 in both ancient and modern Hebrew because the equivalent of the letter W in their language is/was the same letter used to represent the number 6.

For those of you who follow Hebrew people, including their businesses and politics from over 6000 yrs ago, please opine. I promise to take your considerations seriously.

http://www.av1611.org/666/www_666.html

The caliph is an honest person who is merely carrying out the mandate given to all Muslims by the prophet and the Qur'an. He must literally have a mountain of faith in his beliefs, otherwise he wouldn't be laying his life on the line like this. The US spends roughly one TRILLION dollars on defense every 12 months. They already have a Hellfire missile with his name on it. He will need Allah's help.

FYI, I'm really curious, so can a practicing Muslim please answer the question. I mean no disrespect to your religion, or beejaay btw. Does Allah forbid Muslims from praying 6X a day? Or is 5 both the minimum and maximum?

mmsen: Seriously.

How can someone who barely grasps the language be so keen to engage in arguing semantics?

I wonder oh. He's very confused. All he needs to say is that he doesn't believe in supernatural phenomena, like many other people. Instead, he's here arguing semantics, rejecting definitions of words, twisting my words around, and being rude. I only gave him a taste of his own medicine.

Aren't both of you members of the Ummah? I thought the disagreement was only a Sunni/Shia affair.

FOLYKAZE: This is not an English class bro.



Now ask yourself this simple question. . . .Hw can something that de[fies] natural law manifest in the natural plain?

Your problem is language comprehension, I swear. First, are you referring to my definition or the one you just copied from Google? Because in mine, I included the word "seemingly" and the poster who followed included "seems." Fair minded observers here can see the immense difference between what I wrote and what you're writing. To answer your silly question, that IS the meaning of supernatural. The minute you understand how it's possible, it then ceases to be labelled as supernatural.

Liveair: Hey! weah96 and FOLYKAZE, i suppose the op's intention for this thread was for robust discuss, not these person bashings.
Pls, lets all enjoy this thread.

Tell that to the one who doesn't write English. He's the source of the confusion.

FOLYKAZE: Truth be told. . . . .I have witnessed an occassion where a professional doctor asked his patient to seek traditional means of healing. Not even once.

Go on... I'm all ears. Is this the end of the story? SMH. WTF happened to the patient after the doctor referred him to the traditional healer? That's the most important part which you conveniently omitted here. Did the patient die in the care of the traditional healer or something?

Folly-Kaze you need to work on your folly, abi, grammar. It remains one of the requirements for posting s)hit here on NL. Stop being noisy when your grasp of the language is hanging by a thread. I wouldn't dare argue with Germans in German myself, lest I demonstrate my ignorance like you're doing here.

FOLYKAZE: When did superntaural becomes a phenomena that defy nature? Where did you get that from?

Is this a definition? I cant score you 1/10. Really poor.

In the spirit of being a)nal, pedantic, and rude, did you mean to type "a phenomena" or is that another typo? If you could only retrieve your head out of your colon, you would notice that I never said the bolded. I included the word "seemingly" which is not an absolute affirmation like your pea brain interprets it to be. The definition you embrace is incorrect. There are lots of things which aren't understood by observers, yet not all can be considered supernatural. An example would be people who pick their nostrils and eat the boogers. I don't understand it, and neither does the scientific community. Can we assume that eating boogers is a supernatural occurrence? In order for something to be considered SUPER-natural (prefix super means ABOVE or BEYOND in English), it would have to exhibit elements that appear to defy natural laws. GTFOH.

FOLYKAZE: This is empty and senseless rant.

Guy what is supernatural?

Now, what does supernatural mean to YOU?

FOLYKAZE: This is empty and senseless rant.

Guy what is supernatural?

Things that seemingly defy nature, like speaking to a family member who is in Shanghai while you're watching the world cup in Jos.

jacobscros: I prophecy that though YOU are mocking me ...you are very curious as to what is going on, you are scared...and you want to know more.

Scared of what? An anonymous user I met in cyberspace? Lol. I am curious though, just as I would be if I saw a well dressed adult juggling a football in front of an approaching train.

FOLYKAZE: You have not addessed anything in he claimed.

On the contrary, what is supernatural?

I did address it, with skepticism. If people would only be honest, then we could eliminate some of the false anecdotes of supernatural events. Everything, given time and the current trajectory of human advancement, will eventually be explained. All supernatural things then must have a perfectly reasonable answer. For example, stop and consider the cellphone. It allows you to speak to a relative anywhere even at distances of thousands of miles. I don't know about you, but talking to someone who isn't there is what I call supernatural. But there's a perfectly reasonable explanation which allows the phenomenon to be repeated. Imagine that only two mobile phones existed, both owned by one set of twins who refused to divulge the source of the phones. Would you not then say that the twins were defying natural laws by speaking to themselves across vast expanses of space when nobody else could?

ebamma: e be like say na only u been see this one oh?,
or were u the miracle worker?

Tell am oh. How many people have claimed to be eyewitnesses to actual manifestations of voodoo? Even my own blood broda enter Africa comot say na wit own eyes him c cooking pot use leg 4 run across d road. I almost slapped am.

What I mean by that is why 5X? Why not 6X or 7X or even 4X? Did the mandate come from Allah or was it arbitrarily decided by the prophet?

The OP has been touched by the spirit. Hallelujah. His position is no more dubious and ridiculous than anyone with the word prophet in front of their name. Make a prophecy OP, convince the religious skeptics of your anointing.

submit: Exactly!

I didn't say it, he did. Don't know why he didn't just say NO.

Yooguyz: nah you need faith to believe in God, it's the other way round

So faith comes first then. No god needed.

Yooguyz: what are you saying oga? All these ^^ are tricks and explainable phenomena, hence can't be classed as supernatural. The man who caught a bullet with his teeth appeared to do so with the aid of special camera, carefully manipulated stage set and lighting.(the bullet and the gun used are fake, that's why magicians are called illusionists). But how can you explain the case of a deaf man whoose eardrum was surgically removed, suddenly grows a new one when the prayer of faith was offered for him. Or a paralysed man whom medical science has lost hope for suddenly starts walking! It's unexplainable! Hence it's supernatural!

The problem with you guys is that you expect science and logic to provide all the answers. Some matters can be understood in the context of faith, not logic or science.

Anecdotal accounts don't prove anything.

I've seen a man walk across a small rope that extended across the Grand Canyon without any safety mechanism attached to him. It was on CNN. I've also seen David Blaine 'catch' a bullet with his teeth. They wouldn't be magicians if they told you their secrets, but no one here thinks that they're breaking natural rules. Snake charmers in India were exposed by the Animal Planet for removing the fangs of venomous snakes. They wouldn't dare touch a real king cobra with fangs intact. So what you saw was a magic show, not a supernatural event. The basket was a prop, or the liquid was.

Every African country claims that it was they who lost to India 100-0. And the goalie, abi, lion, is always in the story. I can't stop laughing.

Reiyvinn: Exactly!!!

People pepper their versions into simple events and make the whole thing complicated and legendary just to sound informed and interesting. Perfect example, Nigeria VS India, Samuel Okparaji, need I say more?

U mean the story of the Indian soccer team? HAHAHA, that's a good one. It's all over Africa though, not just Nigeria. The Indians haven't even heard of it.

Reiyvinn: @Rayhut, you must be wondering why I didn't respond to the nonsense you wrote.... Well lemme save you the heart break.

I've heard numerous lies like, "I saw jack lift this box through telekinesis" therefore "juju is real." here in Nairaland.

Have you ever wondered:

* What happened at ALUU? How come the whole World knew about the event?

* The Ejigbo torture that took place around February last year, how come the World got to know even after the whole event had already passed by months and was witnessed by a few people??

Every odd, entertaining, eye-catching and even, in some cases, illegal event in Naija never escape the camera of an average Nigerian. Dana air crash site was captured Live burning, ALUU lynching scene was captured Live, pictures and videos filled the internet of all these events but surprisingly, the only places we find capture of Live juju action tend to only exist in Nollywood movies.

What's the matter?

Why do Nigerians forget their smartphones at home whenever these mindblowing shows take place?! (who doesn't want blog traffic or Youtube views?)

Actually, those things never happened.

I used to be among those bunch of losers who came on religious boards proclaiming that I saw a LIVE juju take place before my very eyes when I actually didn't: I just heard from people who heard it from people and so goes the chain.

Stories of Miss Koikoi, Bunk Shaker and other bullshit we were told in Boarding school weren't different at all.

Whites don't believe in juju yet they better us in every aspect in live, why? Are the gods insane or what?

Ok, let's assume juju works. How does that prove that your god is the real god when there are approximately a hundred million gods to contend with

OOGA OH!

May the spirit of sonpana save this country from further daftness and stupidity

Juju works by anecdotal evidence. Rarely has anyone ever witnessed anything. Most of the time, people are poisoned through some creative method and everyone blames it on the dark arts.

alexleo: You think you are wiser than those men in the bible? Keep deceiving yourself. You cant separate us from God and his word. Its working for me, working for my parents, working for my family members, working for billions of christians around the world from generation to genaration. It worked for my grand parents. No amount of noise from you people can have negative influence on me/us towards the scriptures.

It's working well in Naija, I can clearly see the evidence of that. SMH.

Funny bit about Noah, since we're talking about him at the minute.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IF9Xn5m2OGg

Apatheist: Hmm..
I wonder if it has anything to do with the Curse of Ham
According to their ^infallible buy-bull, Noah cursed Ham and his descendants with dark skin, and said they would be slaves to their brothers [white people]


Genesis 9: 20-27

Lots of holes in that story. I believe the writer was drunk himself.

Rayhut: [/color]
But some people use these powers and we cannot deny that there is no such powers,you have not seen where somebody uses basket to hold water and water is not leaking through the basket hole

This is more like David Blaine than supernatural although Africans rarely care about that distinction.