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Splinz:
[size=18pt]Good! Now you understand that there's nothing like blind luck or chance in what is known as life today.[/size] Shows we're making progress.

However, your problem has always been evidence that the Bible God created all things. Bro, it is not as if you asked amiss. You have a right to this evidence if you're to believe in this God who actually wants to be known when He said, "Prove all things".

But as I've been telling you, is it not my aim to prove that the Bible God created all things here, that is entirely another subject on its own. I'm here to prove that yes indeed, the universe and all lives didn't happen by chance!

Do not worry yourself, what you seek will be provided. I'll personally call your attention to it when I'm finished with this very subject we're dealing on. I don't give out half-baked answers to crucial questions, which is why I insist on rounding up this topic first. Cheers...

You appear to be hopelessly lost in the semantics. You are here to prove the existence of God, who, in your head, is the Bible one. Otherwise you would have considered the possibility of a whole race of Super Creators who live outside of the known universe.

When you say that a something in general created the world, you have said nothing. We have not advanced the argument anywhere. No new knowledge has been gained.

Splinz:
Life Requires a LIFEGIVER

What about the presence of all life on Earth today? Where did it come from? How did it get here? The Bible states that God created all life during the first six days of the creation week of Genesis 1. Is this true, or did life come into existence by itself?

As with Uranium 238, and its provable moment of beginning, the great pattern of all life is that it can only come from other pre-existing life. This is called the Law of Biogenesis. All first-year biology students know it.

When examining tiny organisms, such as protozoa and bacteria, it can be demonstrated that life only comes from life. There are many kinds of life, but each continues to reproduce the same kind over and over. This is indisputable.

Life can never come from inanimate (non-living) objects. Evolutionists theorize that inanimate objects, under certain unknown circumstances in the misty past, somehow spontaneously gave birth to very primitive life forms. This presents enormous problems for anyone familiar with the nature and complexity of simple cells.

Biologists understand that all cells can only come from pre-existing cells. Here is why. Cells, even in their simplest and most rudimentary form, are extremely complex. Consider: “The simplest organism capable of independent life, the prokargote bacterial cell, is a masterpiece of miniaturized complexity which makes a spaceship seem rather low-tech” (Darwin on Trial, Philip Johnson, p. 102). The next source is equally powerful in explaining both the complexity of the cell and its origin: “The cell needs all its basic parts with their various functions, for survival; therefore, if the cell had evolved, it would have meant that billions of parts would have had to come into existence at the same time, in the same place, and then simultaneously come together in a precise order” (Origins?, Ranganathan, B.G., p. 15).

Will skeptics ignore the truth that it is impossible to have life without a LIFEGIVER? Only God has Life inherent in Himself. This is, after all, what makes Him God. No one created God, because He has Life inherent in Himself. But is this God merely some kind of blind power, some kind of dumb “first force?” Let’s reason together.

Alright, lets hear what the evolutionists got to tell us. Remember, the journey continues.......

When you see a Rolex watch, the best you can do is claim that it was made by a human being(s). You don't have the authority to say that the human being is Nnamdi Azubike, your former classmate from primary school. I will ask you for proof because you could be telling lies. It's possible that two human beings made the Rolex or even three or four.

That we came from something is evident. You're here to tell me why that something is the Jew from the Bible, and how you acquired your information.

Adedoks:
If ure a true child of God n ure following this thread please don't bother arguing with this guys... Imagine ooo creature wanting to dictate how their creator should act. I laugh. Strangely enough all demon incarnates posing as thou ure human posting on this thread encouraging the op u know ur end. Ow Jesus Christ will judge u n throw u into the lake of fire. I just feel pity for the gullible humans claiming to be atheists who doesn't have an idea of the Spiritual battles over dere soul. I SO MUCH BELIEVE IN JESUS. n for the record op u think ur life story is an achievement. I laugh. People that Av truly encountered God n have been used by him to do the miraclelous don't puff up.

Which God are you talking about? The one who used to be a Jewish carpenter?

Image123:
You're glad i understand my own expression, ohhhhhhhhh Godddddd. Anyway, i didn't mention hope in the statement you're referring to.Hope is not worthless, neither is it SOLD in the church, ONLY. Please be rational and logical in what you say, i can as well engage you "in faith" as it were, not caring to make sense. Hope is a desire with expectation, wanting something to happen. People everywhere from all walks of life have hope, for God's sake i've never heard something as absurd as hope is only sold in church building. But why?

Name another place you go to purchase hope with currency.

Image123:
Are you the fellow that said " Only real materials are sold in the market"? You must be a good story teller,do you write comics for children?
The expression "dem no dey sell am for market" means that something is precious, not cheaply gotten, uncommon. Hope you comprehend?

In glad you understand your own expression, now try and follow this idea. Hope is absent from the market not because it is precious but worthless as a commodity. There are expensive things in the market, but hope is only sold in the church building. Why?

louisv:
Ep10 meizu earphones sell for 500 to 700 naira.... And they are extraordinary!!! With an impedance of 92 ohms.

$3 headphones? Anything under N1000 is rubbish.

I have up to 4 around here somewhere, brand new. Send me your address make I ship them to you.

For N200, your headphones shouldn't last longer than a few days. That's like 1 USD. Which company is making headphones for N200? Chai!

Will the children now enter heaven or do they still go to hell just for calling someone a bald head?

Image123:
Only real materials are sold in the market? Who's this one, should i not rather listen to the wind than such ludicrous fable.

You won't find peace of mind in the market for sale. Nor will you find worries for sale. Only materials, chairs, pepper, onions, radios, etc

Image123:
There you go again. Any sect can be religious or moral. Not every sinner is a liar,or a thief, or a fornicator etc. The unspeakable joy of forgiveness of sin, eternal life,the witness in the spirit and the fruit of the Spirit. Them no dey sell am for market.

Only real materials are sold in the market. If you are interested in buying empty hope, you go to the church and remit your cash. In return the pastors sell you a piece of hope and tell you that your sins are forgiven.

joe4christ:
So, the question is, does consciousness really ceases after death, or only get recycled according to a natural process not yet known, proven or discovered by science?

African politicians and pastors everywhere are betting money that it is the former.

Splinz:
No naaa... Where you dey go? Abeg lets finish this together.

Updates later. Cheers...

LOL, I give up. I have no intentions of derailing your thread. Kontinu.

knowyaself3:
Of all the deep revelations made in this post, it's surprising that a mere name of the writer is what u are worried about. Be concerned about relevant issues, my friend. If i choose to be called knowyaself666, what bearing does that have on the subject of discourse?

Begin go. I appreciate your revelation derived from meditation. Maybe after meditation, I can change my own name to Lucifer@AntiChrist. Just for sport.

csamii:
Chairman calm down. Mysterious things happen daily and these are things scientists and science disagrees with.

Splinz continue but know you haven't presented those facts and proofs so far.

Carry on. Although I know where this thread is headed. There is a leap coming soon.

Enjoy yourselves with irreducible complexity. I'm out.

@ OP: you can begin go.

drestoneokuta:
I want evidence of the god defined in the Bible. What I think about the real God wouldn't matter if your Bible god was doing what the Bible says he does.

There are two ways to arrive at my position. You either read the Bible well and see that the claims therein are unsubstantiated in real life or you create an independent idea of God in your head which contradicts the Bible one. I used the former. I ran out of excuses for the Bible god as I got older, primarily because the Bible kept opposing my excuses.
what are the unsubstantiated claims? U ran out of excuse? lmao.. U ordinary human being... Claiming u ran out of excuse for God.... Atheist are really foolish (a fool says in his heart there is no God psalm 14 verse 1)

I was living a delusion, thinking that a Jew spirit who dictated the Bible was listening to my prayers. I was like a child who thought that a fairy was watching over my tooth when in reality it was the mother removing them.

The child grows old and recognizes that fairies don't exist. Likewise, I outgrew my delusion. I could no longer make excuses for your Bible god. It is a tooth fairy.

HalimaSadiya:
What the hell ? You are the confused one here please educate yourself and get rid of the hate in your heart , you won't get far with it.

So Allah does not forbid the consumption of ham and bacon?

Splinz:
I salute your open-mindedness and sincerity at heart. I tell you, one of you is preferable to a thousand.

Please help me tell that brother that we're not fighting but engaging in "intellectual discourse". He's sounding so pained and frustrated!

Anyways, like they say, "The Truth Is Bitter".

[size=16pt]Irreducible Complexity =Jesus walked on water[/size]

Is that what you call truth?

ikupakuti:
@Weah96

Only if u‘ll keep sentiments aside...and answer...those Qs u‘ve being avoiding

...only then ‘ll u realise how simple u sound...in trying to be smart about this issue

But then, keep ranting about Elijah, Jesus & magic...maybe oneday u‘ll make sense



I‘m out

I didn't avoid anything? I was pretty clear about my position.

knowyaself3:
Thats just a name the high priest(a human) chose for himself. 666, by the way, is the number of the sun and it signifies perfection.

Oh, so the name is arbitrary, abi? I see. Carry go. I don't have time for games.

Splinz:
You sef...... I don tire for you. What I'v said, I've said. [size=18pt]Shebi na Bible God you want proven?[/size] Cool down joor....

Do you have another God to prove? The Bible god to you is God the source, no be so again? So when you say God, in your head you mean the Bible god. Please, I don't mean to sound adversarial, it's just that I have to keep repeating the argument to different people. Tomorrow, some other Christian will tell me to look at a Rolex watch to see how the universe, like the watch, could not have appeared by chance. He will use that to say that God exists and probably quote biblical scriptures.

Splinz:
Relax bro! Are we not on a journey? Have I tell you we've arrived? Chill man...

No, you're here to prove that your god exists not that God exists. God means the source of the universe, so of course it exists. Re-tards know that.

Go back to your first post, the bolded part, where the guy says that he can only prove that God exists. He didn't say Bible god.

All of this is evidence for a source. Bible verses don't belong in that discussion.

I'm trying to stop you from wasting your time. God exists as the source of the universe. The Bible god is like a murder suspect who has already run his mouth before his lawyer arrives to speak on his behalf. You are the lawyer and the Bible is the testimony your client made.

HalimaSadiya:
Funny thing is this attitude is usually on public forums like this , they don't display their hatred in reality (if they have any) or you people only have guts behind the screens of your phones and laptops ? Or what had this peaceful religion done to you ?

Islam is founded on a lie, that one man spoke to an angel who gave him instructions for me. Christianity is also founded in a lie.

In fact, I believe that Mohammed was an evil atheist himself, not unlike prophet TB Joshua is today. Mohammed understood that Judaism was fake and BS but in it he saw an opportunity to amass power for himself.

So, he just told you that god said bla bla bla.

Splinz:
The Great Proof of Creation

We have established that creation demands a Creator. The next few paragraphs introduce some amazing scientific proofs of creation.

The theory of evolution is shot full of inconsistencies. Evolutionists have seized on many theories, within the overall theory of evolution, in an attempt to explain the origins of plants, animals, the heavens and the earth.

Over and over, these “theorists” try to explain how life evolved from inanimate material into more complex life forms until it reached the pinnacle—human beings.

Yet, as one geologist wrote, “It must be significant that nearly all the evolutionary stories I learned as student…have been debunked” (Dr. Derek V. Ager, Dept. of Geology, Imperial College, London, The Nature of the Fossil Record, Proceedings of the Geological Assoc., Vol. 87, 1976, pp. 1132-1133).

Perhaps the biggest reason that so many theories within the overall theory of evolution collapse is because they contain terrible logic requiring great leaps in faith to believe. Here is one example of a “debunked” theory: “Many evolutionists have tried to argue that humans are 99% similar chemically to apes and blood precipitation tests do indicate that the chimpanzee is people’s closest relative. Yet regarding this we must observe the following: ‘Milk chemistry indicates that the donkey is man’s closest relative.’ ‘Cholesterol level tests indicate that the garter snake is man’s closest relative.’ ‘Tear enzyme chemistry indicates that the chicken is man’s closest relative.’ ‘On the basis of another type of blood chemistry test, the butter bean is man’s closest relative’” (Morris, Henry M., The Twilight of Evolution, Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1967).

Complexity of Life

Everyone has witnessed explosions. Have you ever seen one that was orderly? Or one that created a watch or a clock? Or one that produced a single thing of exquisite design—instead of the certain result of chaos and destruction? If you threw a million hand grenades, you would see them produce chaos and destruction a million times! There would never be an exception.

Consider the following quotes, involving the likelihood of an explosion creating the entire natural realm of life all around us on Earth—let alone the beautiful magnificence and order seen no matter how far one looks out into space.

Dr. B. G. Ranganathan said, “…the probability of life originating from accident is comparable to the unabridged dictionary resulting from an explosion in a printing shop” (Origins?, p. 15). And this only speaks to the likelihood of any life at all, rather than the most highly complex forms such as large animals or human beings—let alone all the different kinds of life that exist today.

Another scientist, Sir Fred Hoyle, an English astronomer and professor of Astronomy at Cambridge University, stated, “The chance that higher forms have emerged in this way is comparable with the chance that a tornado sweeping through a junk yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein” (Nature, Vol. 294, Nov. 12, 1981, “Hoyle on Evolution,” p. 105).

Okay, it's time for break. Stay tuned!

Go and read the argument against your position again. You are asserting something, which is that your God from the Bible is the source of the universe. Throughout this whole thread, you have yet to provide a shred of evidence.

All you've been doing is trying to show that the universe was deliberately conjured up by something that possesses intelligence. This thread is about why your god IS that something.

We know that we came from something, had a source bla blah blah. The source is intelligent maybe. Maybe not. That too is unimportant for this discussion. But I'm willing to concede that we come from an intelligent source. How does that prove or have anything to do with proving that your Bible god is the source in question?

Splinz:
First, which of these are you: Atheist, deist, theist, agnostic? Yes, evidence for the Bible? That, you shall have. But before then, we'll first of all finish this very subject we're dealing with at hand, to prove to atheists that indeed, God exist not just as a nomenclature but as a Supreme Being in whom emanate all lives.

But note, the Authority of the Bible will be another subject on its own that will required another thread.

You don't need to prove that a Supreme Being is the source of the universe. No one is arguing with you. All beings don't look alike. Some may be subatomic particles, others may be photons. So when you say that a Supreme Being is the source of all life, you have really said very little at all. In fact that is exactly where science is at the moment. Stuck at a force behind the big bang, or a Supreme Being depending on how excited you feel.

The Supreme Being that you must prove here unfortunately is the famous Yahweh. You have to show us why the source of the universe is Yahweh or Jesus from the Bible.

I'm sorry to say, but I don't think that you understand the argument against your position. You could have saved yourself a lot of time with this write-up.

knowyaself3:
These are the words of High Priest Hooded Cobra 666, not mine( i made reference to him at the end of the long post, pls check). But his words are true - satan is a real being, an extraterristrial, and he appears to some dedicated satanists face to face. He can also easily be communicated through meditation. Dedication creates the gateway to meeting him. He's real and is not a thoughtform as is misconstrued by some, and a most wonderful being to have a relationship with.

OK, but why the 666? Is that how the serpent told you to address it or is that your own idea?

HalimaSadiya:
My God ! Smh "Google is your friend" Allah is God in Arabic , like Chineke in Igbo and Ubangiji in Hausa. You should be ashamed of yourself

Chineke is not Allah. Allah is the one who forbids the consumption of ham and bacon.

But Allah is also not Satan. The boy just can't comprehend how Allah can be god because he carries a different God in his head. Just like you carry Allah in yours. Your families are the ones responsible for the confusion. There is a God but it isn't the pork hater Allah or his money grubbing nemesis Yahweh.

mii4u:
He is the I Am that I Am, pls stop asking questions u can never find answers to. He is th uncreated Creator.

I AM is actually YOU foo. When you say the phrase I AM you immediately imply your own consciousness. If God is THE I AM then he is the human being doing the speaking.

Image123:
God forbid that i try to make Him weaker, i'm only showing you a better understanding and perspective of what and who He really is. The Bible's definition of God is not your definition, im sure. You dont like or agree with the Bible God, im certain. You want a God who will not punish sin, who will show up on CNN and make broadcast on Raypower, a god who will heal all sickness today and end all wars before 6pm if he's truly God. My friend, wake up, that is not the God defined in the Bible.

I want evidence of the god defined in the Bible. What I think about the real God wouldn't matter if your Bible god was doing what the Bible says he does.

There are two ways to arrive at my position. You either read the Bible well and see that the claims therein are unsubstantiated in real life or you create an independent idea of God in your head which contradicts the Bible one. I used the former. I ran out of excuses for the Bible god as I got older, primarily because the Bible kept opposing my excuses.

Splinz:
I understand all of your points. Trust me, we're not being hypocritical. As we move on, you and I will see why we can never be a product of some blind and dumb luck or chance.

Stay tuned.

Don't mean to throw a spanner in the works, but it appears to me that the God you are trying to prove here using facts is the deist God.

Deists believe that we all have a deliberately intelligent source, and usually provide common sense reasons like what you're doing right now.

Abrahamics like yourself go one 419 step further than that, no offense. They actually claim that the deist God ignored the deists and decided to SPEAK with them! So when a Christian uses the word God, he's not talking about an unknown creator entity, but the well known one who not only commissioned the Bible but is even speaking TODAY.

As you prove your God, don't forget to also provide evidence for the conversation which led to the instruction manual called the Bible. Because outside of the Bible, we are left with the deist God who, like mother Nature, doesn't write textbooks for human beings.

HardMirror:
I have always said, I believe in God as a Nomenclature for whatever originated matter, energy and time.

So do I. Wake me up when he provides evidence of the greatest moment in human history which occurred the day that the source of the whole universe began to dictate his instruction book. In other words, the day that human beings established verbal communication with the source.

knowyaself3:
Sorry no such version. Just start from d beginning n u will be stuck until u finish, trust me.

There are multiple definitions of the word God, and the highest and most powerful of all Gods is mother Nature.
Nature gave birth to everything in existence and loves human beings no more than she loves monkeys or bush meat. Those were the parts that made sense to me.

What doesn't make sense is that you actually claim to speak with a non human person called Satan. Care to elaborate on the mode of communication?

AntiWailer:
Stupid account.

A suspect with gunshot was running and you were looking until he disappeared.

Just when you think only Nigerian Police has issues. Their Ghanaian brothers are equally stupid.

Even after the suspect is caught. The policeman should be jailed.

Pure negligence of duty.

I was thinking it before you said it. Is the policeman fat or something? Failure to pursue a seriously injured armed robber should be enough to get you removed from the force.