Arda1000:
before ewu dika gi ekwuwe okwi iq, je guo geography first,gini wu mid western then igwa mu ife Ikwuani na aso or yoruba kor Igbo ka fa na asu.
munna fake ass like sef no suppose deh talk iyi.

It's u who knows nothing about ur own culture stupidstitious, whitewashed,desert brain, nincompop and a compound fool. Obu osa ife ki emarini

Arda1000:
sense is very far away from you

I should take your words seriously you featherbrain, slowpoke, slowpoke, intellectually dumb fellow. Dude, go check your IQ, it is out of space because it isnon existence.

B2mario:
when does participating in Biafran war become a yardstick in knowing who's Igbo or not? When a real enemy talks we will know. Are you sure you really know anywhere called Ukwani?

Among all the tribes in Nigeria Igbo is the one that respect and care for women the most. I can see that you are being deceived by what you watch on Nigerian movie. We have a good system for settling of dispute and our culture does not allow injustice. We show care, respect and kindness to widows to the extent that the rich ones among us train their children, build houses for them and place some of them on payroll. Even our governors and wives build houses for them which I've not heard anything like that coming from your place.

Igbos are this, igbos are that, but still we are better than you, we help ourselves, we have better culture and value that encourage progress, we are more educated and civilised than you, our zone has been certified as the least crime zone (according to the Nigeria beaureu of statistics), you hardly hear of individual and communial clashes because we have a better system for settling of dispute, we are not envious and jealous of success and progress that is why we have industries even in our kindreds once you are successful we celebrate you and see you as a role model and encourage you to attract industry to our community so as to develop it and encourage our youths to be more hardworking, virtually every community in Igboland has super rich men and women. We don't kill our successful men and women like other Nigerians that is why our land is more developed even without proper government attention. We travel home every Xmas and no shaking, but if you are successful just pay a 2day visit to your home, integrate fully with your rural people like Igbos, share drinks and kolanut with them and see if you will come back alive.

U do realise that i said more than not participating in Biafra war is not the only reason i wrote down and i know it is not only igbo that were part of Biafra but they were the majorly involved and the leader of this Biafra was an igbo guy.
Uh and for the record i don't watch Nigeria films and u claim to care for ur women but let me ask u wat do u do to widows cause the hair shaving and other acts is how u care for ur women.
If u are more educated and civilized then why were u people naked before the whitemen and because u made the world fastest computer u think that's it. U said u have low crime rate when u people do alot of money ritual and didnt they like arrest over 200 Yahoo boys abroad so yeah that happened.

Arda1000:
u speak pure Igbo and yet u claim ure not one guy get sense,I speak ozara,am from Ebonyi,when we want say are you mad". we say "ivu ona aya wu? others that speak another kind of ozara dialect like in Isu/onicha will say "odihe isi adu wu mma?

Who do u think u are coming for me big mistake kid.
For the record i speak both igbo and ukwani that doesn't make me igbo i just learnt them.
First of their origin is different from igbos, they didn't participate during the Biafra war they never considered them self one of u and they never where even part of the east they where considered a mid western state and their manner of dressing is a bit different and their cuisine to are different.
I find your "ideology" barbaric as you are so quick to forget that before there was Nigeria or region, there was TRIBE. Stop thinking so mediocre and believing there is a sense of commonality between Igbo and Ukwani. You think just like the cultural naive white men. I understand why you are inseure about being igbo because you guys have no oil money but are good at land grabbing and punishing innocent widows and lacking good family support from family members. Ukwani respect women especially widow which yours doesn't. Your tribe promote misogyny, toxic musicality, pretentious communism, war ( biafran war), cultural illiteracy, greed and unpatriotic nature towards Nigeria as a whole.

By facts u mean just maps then use they have made claims only infants will belief.

This is true they are among one of the underlooked people in Nigeria. U see nobody will explain how they got there. People generally have this belief that Ijebu land extend to Lagos and Ogun when it stretches further than that even Wiki would only put Lagos and Ogun. This is interesting almost as if their is a conspiracy there.

prolog3111:
You are too dumb to discuss with me. I hope you know this. Else I would take it as an insult. You should be discussing with toddlers. All you say is complete rubbish which makes 0 sense. In a world with sane people, you prove your own claims before they are considered facts. You don't just make a bunch of claims and then say they stand until disproven! Everybody can play that game. Everybody can make wonderful claims. What matters are claims with proof. Don't ever talk to me again, you are too dumb.

I believe your ancestors were dumb and selfish because they took all your intelligence with them and left you with with mio mio leaves for a brain. You rely too much on white men histroy about africa. Make use of empirical and structural research like i have done. Be wise and stop being a fool, join the Wisemen club and i would make sure you are added to my clique of intellucal individuals. Now run along and go piss someone else off u jerk a**.

prolog3111:
So I should be the one to find suitable ramifications to your Yoruba fabricated story ?
History is not about telling a story, it is about claiming things which are backed by documents written in the period which is being studied. It is stupid to believe you are going to be able to tell accurately a story which supposedly took place more than 600 years ago which nobody of that era wrote down. Is this too hard for you ? You guys are so braindead you can absolutely not differentiate between fiction and actual history. The things you assume as facts are really scary, it shows your total lack of intellect. You people's ife Genesis theory is very easily debunked.

First u were talking about how people rely more on maps and now u re saying documents kid pick one.
Yet again saying am Yoruba will that's up to u. And if u don't know who led them then don't act like a smart a**. And they do have oral accounts which may be true or not but nobody has disproof it yet.

prolog3111:
what do you refer to as "historical records" ? For your information, the rest of the world considers precolonial maps historical records. I repeat myself because you guys lack common sense. Historical record means documents which were made in the period which we are studying. Is this too hard for you ? Should I dumb it down ?

What i refer to as historical records can also be called recorded history which i mentioned in my previous post.
And for ur information people pay more attention to recorded history than maps. People have been rellying on recorded history far back has 5000 years ago which is pretty old. So has i said people rely more on recorded history than ur so called maps..

prolog3111:
Nothing you say was recorded ! Including your imaginary olofin. What was recorded is that the region was part of Benin empire. Get that !

Typical Benin thinking everything that things that contradicts what they say doesn't exist then who lead the Aworis out of ife was it the Benin. Cause if u know u can tell me.

prolog3111:
I think you are officially brain dead. I put up my claim, then I back it with proof in the form of precolonial maps. You ask for more proof and go on to make unsubstantiated claims. You the same guy asking me for more proof ? And you even classify your claims as "proof". Boy your teachers need to be shot...I think if you had an ounce of well functionning brain, then you would stop talking right now. I am not willing to go into more of your inconsistencies, including those on your commentsvwhich I did not address.

Kid i can tell u re retarded from u statement over looking the evidence i kept forward with no means of counteracting them but just saying the same thing over again real mature. Dude i mean really do some research cause right now u sound like an amateur reallying on maps instead of historical records past down which are more relevant than maps. I mean have u bothered to research on the history of the Eguns to see when they arrived in Lagos or u need a map to tell. Now u re just pissing me off with ur ignorance and low brain cells.

goalernestman:


No record of aowri king in eko before the benin
Eko mean war camp in edo according to wiki
no record of name called the full lagos before Benin

it was more than coloni benin originate Eko

Then who was Olofin. And if Eko was all of Lagos then what about Egun land and Ijebu land in Lagos did Benin conquer them or if Benin gave it to them cause if that is the case then it would have been recorded.

prolog3111:
^^ if you are not Yoruba then you are just a fool to be religiously shouting Yoruba biased claims without proof.(why would a non Yoruba do that ? I really don't know...) What more is there to say: all precolonial maps show Lagos and its surroundings as being part of Benin empire ! These are hard facts ! And you ignore these and go and bring me mere claims ? Also it seems you don't know that the 15th century is around 600 years ago. If anybody "migrated" to Lagos before it was part of Benin empire, then it happened more than 600 years ago ( since 600 year old maps show the place being under the Great Oba). Therefore, how are people alive today able to say what happened more than 600 years ago ? All this with no proof to show ! Time machine ? Also, I don't identify people according to what they claim, I identify them according to how they act.

Well if am a fool then u are a featherbrain, dimwit, an omega fool and to call me Yoruba or not is really up to u. And u said more than 600 years ago so u made a mistake cause any map older than that is fake.
By ur statement u probably never heard of historical records and what proof do u have apart from maps.
And the Aworis have been in Lagos far longer than the Benin people they just made a Benin prince their king and u probably never heard of Olofin from ur i guess not. He lead the Aworis out of Ife.
The Egun people have also been in Lagos far longer than the Benins. They migrated from Whydah because of the Dahomey war and arrived in Lagos in the early 15th century.
So this are not claims they are evidence that u ignore and assume they are just claims.

[quote author=prolog3111 post=79615204]I am still waiting for proof of this claim often repeated by the yoruba. Précolonial maps however show the entire thing we now call Lagos and its surroundings as being part of Benin empire. Some of these maps are more than 600 years old. Then, how is it even possible to claim "aworis were there first" ? Did you guys invent a time machine to go back 1000 years before today ? How does your claim even make sense ?[/quote

First of i didn't mention i was Yoruba and the Portuguese arrived in Lagos in the 15th century so any map older than that is fake so post the precise date that map was made.
Further more, If Benin empire covered the whole of Lagos then what about the Egun and Ijebu did they conquer them because it was not recorded.
In addition, the Egun people claim to have arrived in Badagry in the 15th century and the ijebus also claim to have founded Lagos.

It's like some people can't differentiate between EKO and Lagos because Lagos has multiple tribes living in it like Egun or Ogu, Aworis and Ijebu (who i meant add also claimed to have founded Lagos). And the Aworis migrated from supposed Ife, they settled in a particular region in Lagos not all of Lagos.
The point is the Benin people met the Aworis in that region so for some reason they made the prince of Benin their king. So it is more like they colonised that region inhabited by the Aworis.

The Akran of Badagry is not Yoruba the Ogu people or what some people call Begun people were settlers in the old Dahomey presently known as Republic of Benin. Oral history has it that the Ogu people are descendant of those who migrated from Whydah, Allada and Weme which are now part of the Republic of Benin as a result of Dahomean War that occurred during the 18th century. According to Mesawaku, a historian; the Ogu people migrated to Badagry as the 15th century due to the need security.
They speak the Gun language is a language in the GBE languages group. This is closely related to the fon language. It is the second most spoken language in Benin.
And I don't think the Awujale of ijebuland is suppose to be there and any f**ker that says otherwise should suck it.

Rossikk:


NO, THEY ARE NOT. ARE YOU DAFT? I said go and read about the Kazars, who make up the current 'Jews' of Israel, and you're here typing uninformed rubbish.




On the contrary, YOU are the one who needs to drop all that NONSENSE that's been drummed into your brainwashed, colonised head.

When will people like you start to use your brains as opposed to being conditioned?

In my third post, I included evidence of the Black Madonna images, in which ancient Europeans depicted 'Jesus' and 'Mary' as black people. These images - paintings and sculpture - are still found in the oldest European churches today. I included links to further research.

Black Madonnas in Various Countries:
https://udayton.edu/imri/mary/b/black-madonnas-in-various-countries.php

Now, if you had a working brain, as opposed to being conditioned, you would have explored that evidence, and inquired further. After all, if the ancient Europeans were depicting the Israelites as blacks, then when and why did this change to white images? To the point that YOU now regard ''Abraham, his son Isaac, ....Sarah, Rebecca, Leah and Rachel'' as white people.

That is what a reasonably intelligent African will use as a basis to explore the theme of this thread. Alas, your education is wasted, as you subsume your critical abilities in favour of 'received wisdom'.

Kid it is obvious u are daft and I will say again u don't know me and just assumed all this aspect about me anyway.
First, this khazar origin to Jews is just made up a simple minded fool like u is just saying crap. The genetic studies if Jews have found no substantive evidence of khazar origin among Ashkenazi Jews, as opposed to evidence they have mixed Near Eastern/Mediterranean and southern European origins.
Second, u would belief in that black madonna theory if her being black u are just clinching to this to get ties with Israel besides that black Madonna was made in the 13th century and it was not in Israel but a European country and u are telling me that being brain washed when u are belief in foreign evidence over the one told by the Israelites and nobody really knows how Mary and Jesus looked like and maybe the material they used were black so if that is the best u got then u must be a fool with ZERO common sense.

Rossikk:


Firstly, the problem with 'DNA research' is the question of ''who are you measuring your DNA against?" In other words, to whom must your DNA match before you know you descended from ancient Israelites? It certainly cannot be the DNA of those that are in Israel right now. They are NOT descendants of the ancient Israelites, but are 'Jewish' by conversion. Read about the Kazars.

Secondly, the bible is being used here as the ''historical reference''.

Not really sure what you're saying with the rest of your questions.

Dude study the history of the Jews and get a better understanding on them.
Let me begin by saying the Jews trace their ancestry was a confederation of iron age Semitic speaking tribe known as the Israelites that inhabited apart of Canaan during the tribal and monarchic periods. Modern Jews are named after and also descended from the southern israelite kingdom of Judah.
And since we are making reference to the Bible then let me mention according to the Hebrew Bible narrative, Jewish ancestry is traced back to biblical patriarchs such as Abraham, his son Isaac, Isaac's son Jacob and the biblical matriarch Sarah, Rebecca, Leah and Rachel who lived in Canaan.
So basically they are descendants of Israel and this makes ur point invalid.

Rossikk:


Err.....can your ''massive sized brain'' tell us what connections to Israel are ''true'' and what are ''not true'', briefly outlining the basis for your assertions?

We await your rare, expansive knowledge.

Thanks for the complement let my superior knowledge tell u something.

To start with ur points are lame by making reference to the Bible why don't u just make DNA research, historical reference and when it was recorded and in what century or don't tell me u belief in every connection to Israel u come across of.

Rossikk:


In other words, you are too lazy and dumb to research anything, and just wish everyone would go away with all this new information that challenges the way you've been conditioned to see the world.

Listen up u dumb f**k a**, it is nice to listen to a barbarian ideology. Ha this f**k boy is actually calling me lazy kid it is obvious u don't know me u probably just crawled out of the stone age.
But I do like the topic and u bean sized brain probably didn't even understand what I meant was that not all this connection to Israel is true.

All this talk of connection is just fake made up by people seeking to find relevance and proof they are the best.

goalernestman:


You see what wiki post is also same thing I have be saying to you Oyo history and Obaolukun is only in Yoruba story they lie they meet European same Europe never meet them in their history.

Benin contradict them
European contradict them
Ghana contradict them.

What more prove to you, why you haven't even be able to give me a single quote of even one European of Oyo I have give u several of Benin.


You claim Obaolokun was the first to come in contact with European and also traded with them, wiki said there is no fact in that. Now I want to give you Benin king who first came in contact with European on wiki so you can feel the difference.

Oba Ewuare. 14th century
Oba Ozolua
Research about this 2 first king that receive European in Benin empire and you will see many references and quote from European and also well dated fact.

That is an interesting point but if it wasn't obalokun that traded with Europeans then who was it then cause it was recorded Oyo empire sold slaves it is recorded in the history of Atlantic slave trade.
And u forget I made mention to the Benin obas who traded with the Europeans so yeah I know their history.

[quote author=goalernestman post=77122743][/quote]

U mean the same dude that traded salt and slaves with the Europeans that u said nobody knew

goalernestman:


Benin never conquered calaba but it was under the Benin empire

If so when was it recorded Benin empire subjected calabar and where in calabar history was it mentioned.

goalernestman:


Who was the Oyo king that receive the first European visit. Benin own is oba eware tell me Oyo own and the main country in Europe and also the captain of the European squad that came to Oyo.

Is that too hard to bring

Really asking me that question when I wrote in my previous post it was obalokun. obalokun was the first Alafin to come in contact with the Europeans.

[quote author=goalernestman post=77079088][/quote]


The first contact between igboland and Europe came incontact in the mid-fifteenth century with that arrival of the Portuguese.

goalernestman:


Bring a eurpen source or quote for me in the 18th century to believe you, if you want Benin European source I can give it to you.

Igbo and Yoruba should stop stealing Benin and Ida or Igala history.

I know Portuguese arrived in Benin empire in the 1400s but have u read clapperton account of Oyo empire.
Igala conquered the upper part of igboland not the coastal areas. kalabari kingdom purchased slaves from igboland it is recorded. Benin empire didn't participate in slave trade. Ijaw to were also major slave traders.

goalernestman:


Another bla bla you copy from the current 2 majors in South Nigeria now.

Igbo sold slaves in calaba another big fact lie, calaba was under the Benin empire then they were ones of the states in Benin so how will igbo sell slave a place not their regions or in a Benin nation or map

Actually I got that account from the history of Atlantic slave trade. So Benin empire conquered calabar or u meant Kalabari kingdom founded by kalabari people of ijaw. when did Benin empire conquer it.

goalernestman:


Bla bla you read from a Yoruba site, even in Wikipedia Yoruba author quoted they fight with Benin empire but was claim as fake in Benin history. So what new in yourba lies.

European meet Oyo before the 18th century this is a big fact lie, the Obaolukun was said to be the first king to trade sault not slave. European only started knowing what is Yoruba and igbo from 18 century. And obaolokun was before 18 century.

Nigeria Benin trade with the Europeans of slaves they captured not yourba and after Benin Igala continue the trade this enable them to shift the slave trade from bight of benin to bight of bony or biafra. Igal traded with Europen capturing igbo as slave.

Igala and Benin is the only empire in southern Nigeria
Ida or Igala
Benin or bight of Benin.

Read a history from no trib just go to European account if oyo claim they sold slaves to Europe surly European will record this not only Yoruba or Oyo.

When you bring a quote from a European who lives then I will take Oyo seriously.

So from ur understanding I said they met oyo empire in the 18th century, I said they started treading with oyo empire more frequently than before. Time for another history lesson.
The Atlantic slave trade leaked in the last two decades of the 18th century, during and following the Kongo civil war. Wars among tiny states along the Niger River's igbo inhabited region and the accompanying banditry also spiked in this period. Another reason for surplus supply of enslaved people was major warfare conducted by expanding states, such as the kingdom of Dahomey, the Oyo empire, and the Asante Empire.
However, some African groups proved particularly adept and brutal at the practice of enslaving, such as Oyo, Benin, igala, kaabu, Asanteman, Dahomey, the Aro confederacy and the imbangala war bands.
In the eighteenth century, two policies Oyo and the Sri confederacy were responsible for most of the slaves exported from Nigeria. The Aro confederacy continued to export slaves in the nineteenth century were a product of the Yoruba civil ears that followed the collapse of Oyo in the 1820s.
The expansion of Oyo after the middle of sixteenth century was closely associated with the growth of slave exports across the Atlantic. Oyo's cavalry pushed southward along a natural break in the forests (known as the Benin Gap, i.e., the opening in the forest where the savanna stretched to the Bight of Benin), and thereby gained access to the coastal poets.
Oyo experience a series of power struggle and constitutional crises in the eighteenth century that directly related to its success as a major slave exporter.
The other major slave exporting state was a loose confederation under the leadership of the Aro, an Igbo clan of mixed igbo and Ibibio origins, whose home was in the escarpment between the central igbo districts and the Cross River. Beginning in the late seventeenth century, the Sri built a complex network of alliances and treaties with many of the igbo clans. Alliances with certain igbo clans who acted as mercenaries for the Aro guaranteed their safety. The Sri had treaties with the coastal poets from which slaves were exported, especially Calabar, Bonny, and Elem Kalabari. The people of Calabar were Efik, a subsection of Ibibio, while Jonny and Elem Kalabari were ijaw towns.
The ijaw, who occupied the tidal area in proximity to the Igbo, has wrested a frugal living from the sale of dried fish and sea salt to the inland communities for centuries before the rise of the slave trade.
By 1800 too governed much of southeastern Nigeria and neighbouring parts of modern Republic of Benin, while the Sri had consolidated southeastern Nigeria into a confederation that dominated that region. The oyo and Aro confederations were major trading partners of the slave traders from Europe and North America.

goalernestman:


You said they never traded with Oyo before now you are saying they traded. Bro you are confused.

So please tell me the century they traded with Oyo and who are the country that traded with Oyo on slaves is it Portugal or the British or France I want to know and also tell me their first visit to Oyo the date not the story let see who are the lairs now.

Date source links reference are what always missing in Yoruba story just like animals talking story.

You see the ones that actually happens is the Benin story it well dated by Benin and the kingdom they come in contact to.

Only Yoruba story that is well dated is Oromiyan because it significant is agree by both parties Benin and Yoruba.

But on Oyo empire all history kingdom Yoruba try to link it to says it fake. So you want us to believe you buy a car when no other person except you saw the car lol, who do you think we are kids? Comon we are in 20 century we are not going to believe animals can talk story.

Guess goalernestman did u forget when I said they started trading slaves with the Europeans in the 17th century. it seems like u are the one who is confused.
Well if u won't to know the century and kingdoms I will tell u the history.
Towards the end of the 18th century, the Oyo army was neglected as there was less need to conquer.
Instead, Oyo directed more effort towards trading and acted as a middlemen for both the Trans-Saharan and Trans-Atlantic slave trade.
Europeans bringing salt arrived in Oyo during the reign of king obalokun.
Thanks to its dominant in the coast Oyo merchants were able to trade with Europeans at Porto Novo.
Here the Oyo empire's captives and criminals were sold to Dutch and Portuguese buyers.
So there u have it the evidence that were recorded.

goalernestman:


So they never meet Oyo so the slaves Yoruba's are claiming in America continent where are they actually from?

The most history fakers, liars history piracy in the world are Yorubas bro research well you will know.

I never said they never met Oyo I meant they were never close to Oyo the way they were close to Benin and Yoruba descent in America are of slave ancestry some were taking from Oyo after its fall.

goalernestman:


Benin was even more popular and large they where more larger than oyo by a distance and more populated too,

The oba of Benin can control 200,000 army in a day and x's of it in a week.

It only empire that can do this I bet oyo don't even have up to 20,000 solders to fight a war at this time.

Benin walls was at that time hardest man mad work in the world it consume more equipment and more man power than Egypt piramy according to European who came to Benin then and was recorded in 16th 17th century genes book of record.

So do you think that was done by a few peps.?

What are you saying Benin was all southern Nigeria both south igbo warri nd south yoruba including Niger deleta was Benin then.

Yet again where were Benin armies when the British attacked them and they never met oyo empire enough to estimate the exact size of it military.
The Great wall of Benin was among one of the largest wall ever built and it consumed more materials than the pyramid in Egypt but THE GREAT WALL OF EREDO is older, larger and its still standing. Benin walled kingdom is not even the largest and it's existence is a mystery.
From ur earlier post u said Yoruba people being more than Benin people and now u are saying Benin people are more when Benin people are limited to some few states.