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^^^ You'd make the top 10 list if one was drawn so I suggest you start the story with yourself. Starting a sanctimonious thread does not in anyway turn you into a saint, so please speak up lets know how to help folks like you.

Gbawe:
You are calling others "olodo"? You obviously are the big "olodo". If you understand Nigerian politics , even to a decent level, you will know what is going on here. Sylva is sending subliminal messages out to GEJ . The two are at daggers drawn with GEJ clearly set to "deal with" Sylva. The Bayelsa Governor is not thick enough not to know GEJ has it in for him. Sylva has already been denied the PDP ticket . What could be a greater signal the battle lines are drawn beyond the point of return?

You are the  "olodo" fooled , because of Sylva's deliberately fawning language, into thinking Sylva does not know 'what is up'. Nigerian political history should give you enough examples of leaders maintaining diplomatic speak , in public, while the acrimony ,bile and subtle threats is toxic, murderous and real. After IBB bitterly attacks OBJ, again and again, does he not fawningly, routinely and decietfully say publicly he respects OBJ "as his superior", "commander" et al? You clearly don't understand the linguistic subterfuge of our leaders even as history should have provided you with many examples to get 'wise' . Do you need the case study of Atiku versus OBJ political wars we are still seeing even to date,  interspaced with periods of politeness and fawning language, to understand the concept of political "cold war" ?

What is not in doubt is that , between Sylva and GEJ, one of them remains the President and thus more powerful . Nonetheless , Sylva is using double speak and a passive-aggressive style to threathen GEJ. If that is not clear to you then ask for a refund from those who educated you because, clearly, you don't get it. Below , from the article I supplied , is an educating example for you:

You really believe Atiku had something concrete on OBJ but held it back and deliberately decided to send 'subliminal messages'? Humour me. If only you knew half as much as you claim about Nigerian politics you'd know people desperate enough to take blood oaths would go to any length to defend their interest but would certainly not resort to sending 'subliminal messages' ask Fashola his experience with Lord Tinubu!

But the governor has described the report as
another desperate attempt by his opponents
to further widen the gap between him and the
president.

awon olodo obviously missed this part.

Expulsion huh? By who? Let me guess; The grand Ayotollah abi? Since we are now Iran. No be only expulsion na ejacul.ation. A strong condemnation of the Consular's statement would do but the strongest response would be prompt passage of the bill by the lower house and subsequent signing of the bill by GEJ, Expulsion would just be as silly as the initial statement, we operate a democracy and we SHOULD tolerate free speech and divergent opinions no matter how scathing. Nations are built through tolerance of the seemingly most ludicrous statements but ultimately, the majority should have their way while not denying the minority their say.

So all those tears were for effects abi? To think it was those tears that made Aisha2 throw in the towel, SMH. Grand deception.

What other models can I
use independently to explain the economy
asides VAT.

Your topic is on the impact of VAT so you'd definitely need data on VAT. Your question doesnt really leave enough room for assistance as you seem to have muddled up a number of things in your question. For example were you planning on using VAT as the independent or dependent variable? Safe to assume you'll be running a multiple regression analysis, so what other variables are you employing for your regression analysis? Data on VAT should be readily available in FIRS offices but if you're considering a remodelling i'lld love to know what you originally had in mind.

I've already made my case and if you were too daft to comprehend that's your problem. No one has controverted the fact that Igbo towns like Osemele, Ogbaru, Idemili, Oguta have people that trace their roots back to my invincible Aboh kingdom and your big mouthed self is yet to tell me why an entire LGA in the heart of your homeland was named after my invincible Aboh kingdom a supposedly obscure Igbo clan. Some of those towns founded along the coast like Idemili were originally outposts used to wage war and protect the kingdom but her people possibly migrated further inland as evident in other inland Aboh founded settlements as Orogun and Ofobor. Perhaps you can convince me they were Crocs that had to live along the coast as a matter of survival? Not one reasonable sentence have you been able to piece together since your unfortunate entry into this thread, All i've heard from you have been diversionary senseless jibes atypical of the authority you'lld have people think you are. I dont know how old you are but you've still got a great deal of growing up to do.

^^ Exactly what a dim witted Ngwaman with pride for brain cells would say. True to type!

^^^ You're much too proud to ever engage in a sensible debate. Your senseless and needless pride oozes miles ahead of you and you're completely useless to engage in an intellectual discuss devoid of emotion and needless devotion. You're better off fighting your disgraceful endless tribal wars with the likes of Ileke Idi and Seanet, at least your foolish pride would surely make you rise to the occasion. I'm sure that qualifies as an intellectual discussion in your book. It is people like you that make others fight tooth and nail to dissociate themselves from the Igbo identity, seriously you need to get a life. A sensible person would take a second to reflect and adjust his tone but an Ngwa man with pride for brain cells would say;

^^ You obviously are here to annoy right? There's just one ignorant man between us and its you and I'll say whatever I like and you cant do sheet! An intellectually lazy ethnic supremacist incapable of putting together a sentence worth reading twice yet wont Shut da hell up and allow reasonable people contribute. Maybe they should pull the words 'empty barrells' and replace them with 'ChinenyeNgwa'. Onye isi ekete!

^^^ Actually you're just being your obnoxious self but here's a news flash; you can be nasty all you want but it wont change a thing. Your ultra sensitive hypocritical self should know respect is reciprocal, you cant demand what you dont give so if you cannot entertain legitimate questions about 'your kin' (who you apparently do not know a single thing about) you should refrain from engaging in debate about others. And FYI as an Aboh man I'm welcome on all sides of the Niger and that's something I do not expect an ignorant Ngwa man to understand!

Many of these districts were named by the
biggest or most prominent town in the region, in
this case it was Aboh, which is why the district
came to be known as Aboh. There were no
"ancestors" picking these devisions, except of
those of the British Empire.

Ok. Point taken. But your assertion is just as much a conjecture as you believe mine is, so we r even.
Seriously though, I knew I didnt have enough ammunition to follow through on the Mbaise claim but at the same time I expected something a lot more concrete than I've seen here and while I may back down on that claim, let me warn you that it wasnt actually my claim as it is a view held by a number of people I've spoken to and nothing i repeat NOTHING I'Ve heard hear completely convinces me otherwise. In the interest of this thread, I'll let the Mbaise people be.

ChinenyeN:
@wesley, then don't say "found".

Ewu, that's why I put it on quote. Why not stop fooling about and engage your brain? You're yet to make one sensible post in the entire thread.

ezeagu:
Traded slaves directly with Europeans, one of the first Igbo settlements to be explored by Europeans hence its old naming of Eboe Town, apart from that I don't know how the Aboh kingdom became this great empire all of a sudden. In fact, I can't remember reading anything about Aboh expanding its borders, or about any wars Aboh fought. Can you fill us in?

And this administrative district thing you're clinging on to is a clear sign that you're acting petty. Many of these districts were named by the biggest or most prominent town in the region, in this case it was Aboh, which is why the district came to be known as Aboh. There were no "ancestors" picking these devisions, except of those of the British Empire.

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As you can see there was also an Owerri district, Orlu, Okigwi, Onitsha (which is larger than 1991's Anambra State), Abakaliki, Awka, and so on. So are these towns also conquering empires? Sometimes you just have to think if this is how the majority of Nigerians think.

Nice to see someone offering some sort of reasonable challenge finally. I commend you but obviously there's still a huge deal you dont know and for your benefit and mine, I just bumped a thread in the politics section on the Igbanke episode. Pls read through the last page and Ogbuefi's response to PhysicsQed He specifically spoke on Aboh history in one of his numbered points. His post is insightful though i do not agree with his assertions.

Just wondering if a reply from Physics ever came through. How long does it take to have a 'friday' come by again? When is the next cycle so I can book my seat? There are loads of things I do not agree with in Ogb's assertion and I wouldav loved to read Physics response.

Tell me when the gloves come off, I'd be glad to indulge you. You guys have been messing around making silly references and citing shallow articles and not one of you has been able to come out with anything concrete to counter my assertions - Pathetic! The way this is going I prolly cld convince u guys are ijaws!

^^ Maybe "found" isnt the right term I give u that, but you're yet to convince me Abohs influence was not that overpowering that your kinsmen thot it appropriate to name a huge administrative district over a small town along the Niger. Whichever way u choose to look at it, your ancestors were awed by a certain "Aboh" people and I can only think of one!

^^^ Not here to convince you bro, just laying out the facts the way it is. As a matter of fact, those words were prolly recent coinages considering the fact that there was really no need for a distinctive term in the early days of the kingdom.

@Asha,
Your bolded portion on the article on Ndokwa/Ukwuani history refers;
It wld be perfectly normal to find folks with Igbo or Igala origin in Aboh but to fully understand what that means u'd have to understand what it means to be an "Aboh man". Aboh is made up of the Umudei and the Ndiche with the latter further split into the Ndiche ukwu and Ndiche nta. The umudei are the direct descendants of the founder of the kingdom and by default Princes and potential "Omordi's" and are the ONLY ones that can vie for kingship so long as their mother is NOT an Aboh princess. The Ndiche ukwu on the other hand consists of the descendants of die hard loyalists that joined the prince in his journey but not descendants of the Bini stool while the Ndiche nta are those that have lived for generations in Aboh but with varying roots. Only an Ndiche can hold the title of Iyasere (Iyase) ie PM, but on the condition that his mother MUST be an Aboh princess therefor there is full integration of all classes with everyone rightfully an Aboh person but with varying roots. So you see a section can claim to be from Israel and they'll be right, but the TRUE origin and genealogy of Aboh stands.
Amb Ralph Uwechue (yes your Generalissimo) espoused on this in one of his write ups online, I suggest u get busy. The more u know the better it gets. More to come.

@Chyz
Try harder with your Bini installed king BS, who knows u just might sound reasonable for a confused eejit. Facts speak for themselves and unlike you I do not have to manufacture them. For starters google 'sons of Oba Ozolua' and put your head to some use.
I always knew u were from some obscure farming settlement dotted with thatched roof mud houses or like we call it "ise" ,so its no surprise u're such a sellout. But by all means drag your entire lineage to anywhere u like but allow true Ukwuani sons to defend their heritage and pls someday try n visit a true Ukwuani town to see what its like. Bornthroway like u!

@Asha,
Thanks for your feeble attempt. Any more feeble and you'd be without a spine! I honestly dont know which to address but let me say your Mbaise article is as shallow as shallow can be and it doesnt in anyway answer the pertinent questions. More to come.

ChinenyeN:
@wesley, you'd be well advised to back up your lies. Otherwise, you look foolish. See you and this your "Aboh Kingdom" that I've never heard of. Just remain on your side of the Niger and don't open your mouth to speak on an arbitrary administrative district.

It is ignorance that makes you an ignoramus. You plod along like an authority in all things history but you know nothing about a place that could easily have been your ancestral home! SMH.
If your name is mallam Tanko and I have a long lost uncle bearing same name with same features and I approach you calling you 'Uncle Tanko' na me go tell you why your Papa choose to call you, an Igbo Christian, Mallam Tanko? Na you hold knife, na you hold yam. Prove to me that an administrative district of a people extremely picky about the name they bear formed in the 40's in the last days of a powerful kingdom and bearing its name had nothing to do with her. Prove it or press your 'mute' button.

pazienza:
"but is it enough to make us igbos"

Again,u r still making the same mistake,who are the igbos you are refering in this statement,until u come to understand that in the actual sense of it, nobody is igbo in the SE,until then u will keep making the same mistakes.

"Why should we discard our unique identity and embrace that of once vassal lands"

This your statement is similar to the one made by a kalabari guy in a kalabari thread,he seems to be be saying that kalabari lorded it over igbos,this is wrong because if at all they did so,it would have been against ndoki,ikwerre,ngwa,etc and not igbos,because there is a difference between igbo and ndoki,ngwa,asa,ikwerre,isu,izzi,etc, when you understand this,then your problem would have been solved.

Believe me,my ancestors knew next to nothing about aboh,i dont even think they knew of their existence,but they knew a lot about arochukwu,i think if anyone should boast about being unique,then it should be the aro.

My broda you need to understand that in the interest of this thread I have to play the devils advocate. I completely agree with your opening statement and like I said before I have absolutely no problem identifying myself as Igbo and would never have this conversation with an 'outsider' but you've got to understand that this isnt about unity of Igbo speaking areas but an attempt by a bunch of ignorant folks to undermine the roots and heritage of the ukwuani/Ndokwa people.
I dont know how you managed to draw parallels bw us and the Kalabari's but you need to look at the facts to see where i was coming from. What is not in dispute is that the old Aboh kingdom stretched far beyond its maritime and land borders up to Igala land up North and just how far inland I cannot say so it isnt out of place to refer to those land as vassals with very good evidence in the people of Oguta, Idemili and Osemele.
If as an Idemili man you know nothing about Aboh, maybe u should seek answers. I am in my late 20s but some grey haired folks dont know as much as i do. Their is a saying we have; 'wa gwa nwa nweni uche shi ya nodi ani kwa tanaya atita'. Surely my dialect must have thrown you guys off but it says - you dont have to say to a wise child sit down let me give you history lessons (atita). The curiousity of a child and an open ear and mind would fill the vacuum. Nuff said.

ChinenyeN:
You are Aboh; some kind of western Igbo.
I am Ngwa; southern Igbo.
Mbaise is a collection of southern Igbo groups who are both geographically and ethnically/culturally/historically affiliated with Ngwa.

You open your mouth to speak of an administrative district which did not exist before 1940. Yes indeed, it is your word against mine.

In the interest of this thread, you'd be well advised to limit your myopic definitions to yourself. No be only Western Igbo na Yoruba Igbo.
Maybe you should pick up an history text and find out how powerful the Aboh kingdom was in the 1940's and its influence then on the predominantly Igbo speaking people then come back here and prove that an Aboh prefix was a mere coincidence by a people who are ordinarily very careful in picking names.

I know you guys are smart and would prolly have done a good deal of digging to shoot down my argument so you can preach the supremacy of Igbo as usual so seeing you guys clutching straws and offering feeble arguments is pretty comforting i tell you.

You're welcome.

^^ You tell me

^^ Its my word against yours. Thanks but i'll stick with mine till you can tell me why Mbaise people chose to prefix their name with that of a certain once very powerful kingdom along the banks of the Niger. BTW what does that term A-B-O-H connote in Igbo or Mbaise? Its prolly a corrupted word i hear you say, right? Nice try, but it wont fly!

^^^ I see you've been digging and that gives me a great deal of comfort. Hope you share what you learn!

@ChineyeN
here's what I said before and i say to you now;

I'm not here to prove
the origin of Mbaise people is in Delta state but
simply to highlight the influence a supposedly
small town had on Igbo's not just those along the
Niger but far inland. Give me proof to believe
otherwise and i'll shut up, else u should
and allow me make my point! Aboh IMHO
remains the most understudied ancient kingdom
so unless you're ready to commission a study
just keep quiet and listen.

pazienza:
I think the mistake you are making is that you tend to group everybody in the SE as the same,having the same language and culture,that's where you are making a mistake,in the SE we have groups who have many differences but choose to rather look at their similarities,i am an idemili man,and believe me,i can only understand about 40% of what an izzi man speaks,it will be so easy for me to point out the language and cultural differences between idemili and other igbo groups like abriba,aro,oru,isu,etc,but i choose not to,rather i look at the similarities,maybe ukwuani needs to start doing the same.

You people say uberegede for ozoemena,well in Ogidi,we say ufala for anuri(happiness),i dnt think any one outside idemili will understand that.

Very valid argument and one i'm largely sympathetic to but lets look at the flip side. Why should we discard our unique identity and embrace that of once vassal lands (no offence)? Yes we share same language and our traditions have huge meeting points but is that enough to make us Igbos as a matter of fact? Dont think so. This is like asking the English to agree to be called Americans - no they arent, the other way round would be more acceptable. Same here!

asha 80:
for the bolded then why some are saying that they are not igbo?

Because they arent. These are folks whose forebears migrated upwards centuries ago but maintained and kept their roots, centuries later, their descendants moved back home and were accepted but also brought back acquired traditions and tongues. Dont take my word for it, these families still exist and so does Aboh.

Andre Uweh:
Wesley80.
It is very annoying for to dismiss the rich archaeological excavations of Igbo people and claim that it is a culture of an unknown people. Nwa Aboh, do not write what you do not know and at the same time claimed that Igbo ama eze to buttress your mischievous claim.
The site in Igbo Ukwu you and Chyz are referencing is that of an elite personnel (King). But you distorted history by adding the Igbo have no kings aspect. So, how did they have EZE, OBI OR IGWE. The reason why in most parts of Igboland, no body was allowed to ascend Ezeship was to avoid tyranny. One of the Igbo basis of status being achieved, it would have been wrong for anybody to become Eze without displaying an exceptional quality. For this reason there was Ezeship which no one occupied because the conditions were too high. One of the as Chinua Achebe wrote in TFA was that the person must pay the debt of all the men in that village. And this debt will not be paid back. So who had that kind of money to achieve all this?.
My aim here is that Igbo history should not be distorted.

Point noted. But isnt it curious that you could manufacture beads and stuff as far back as the 9th century? Anachronism is what that's called. Very far fetched tale.

@abagworo,
Ukwuani becomes different when you factor in ethnic affiliation, culture, history and practices. If you agree that people from Aboh settled up river and possibly founded now Igbo towns, how then can you justify classifying same Aboh people as a sub-group of an area they helped create? Doesnt add up to me. Attempts to classify these people as mere Igbo clans translates to a denial of their roots, traditions and history. People want to be Ukwuani just as you want to hold on to your Igbo identity even though you could be merely Nigerian - that i perfectly understand.

mbatuku2:
^
Keep it coming, son. . You cracked me up in my seat with some of your comments. Thanks

But do you realize that the Benin empire was a spreading regional power at a point in the past and left many of their footprints beyond biniland? Put that into consideration in your arguments.

I'm not ignorant of that fact, but nowhere in Aboh history was it a vassal state. Though it was pounded into submission by the Brits, Bini history is well documented and though there are reports of skirmishes between the Bini and Aboh people there was never a conflict as the Bini's respected their border and Aboh people always saw Bini as their home. The good relationship persists till today and Aboh is one of the first places visited by an ascending Oba, just as it's a duty for an ascending Obi to head to Benin after coronation. I'lld have scanned in some ancient pictures if i was home. At the visit of Queen Victoria in the 50's, the only two royal fathers that received her were the Oba and the Obi of Aboh.
Today's Aboh culture is a potpourri of Bini, Igbo and Ijaw traditions though Igbo culture clearly dominates, it would be hasty to term Aboh a mere Igbo clan on that alone.