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Do we have conclusive evidence that discrimination against women occurs in south american countries? I school with 2 south american women, i will definitely ask them so do not say what you don't know.

facts proove that third world countries have less equality among sexes. boys more likely to be sent to school e.t.c

i just finished reading a mexican book "Like water for chocolate" it shows the divided between sexes.

this is relevant enough. hehe there were so many google links for discrimination against women in south american countries.
http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=35549

3. Why are you surprised that a male teacher was teaching a "lower" grade? It did not conform to your own preconcieved idea of the place of men?

I didn't know there were countries that gave women more rights, affirmative action in employment.
and it came as a surprise to me

still beats me. Hillary '08. woah. we are making progress.

yeah. but the point is there are more housewife nigerians than in developed countries whose job is just to make babies and more babies
(what's the population count again? )

women in nigeria are also less likely to vote than women in the west. this means that they get less policies to their benefit and improvement (family, healthcare e.t.c)

anecdotes don't work i guess. i won't use it anymore unless i really need to.

@Donzman, my school in Nigeria also had a female proprietress but she was white (British).
all the upper classes of the school had male teachers though while the lower classes had female teachers.

I do not know where you get this info. that women are not allowed to teach pass a certain level.

please do not twist my words.
I said they weren't allowed as teachers in the past. and now they are and even still we have a long way to go.
there is obviously more equality in the sexes in more developed countries than third world countries. that was my point.

women are allowed to be scientists but are there a lot of women scientists as there should be? No.
watch Pink's "stupid girl" music video in your free time. that's a feministic song. melikes.

_{benightedness? mo o gbo english}

sisimose:
affirmative

so your husband is the employer and you're the employee (employess. lol) right? cool
different strokes for different folks. i see
all women aren't alike btway. some (like me) prefer to be equal partners in the marriage institution

davidylan:
Except in muslim countries where there are religion-inspired restrictions for women, the above is untrue.

most south american countries are christians not muslim.
nigeria is not a muslim country either. go to the primary schools. women teach nursery schools while men predominantly taught primary schools.
I came to the US and was surprised there was a female history and math teacher and a guy taught the lower class - 6th grade.

the catholic no female priest rule is a religous-inspired restriction to women.

Feminism has very little to do with women fighting for emancipation, it is mainly for those who feel the need to dominate men.

you got proove?
please elaborate


oh. . I hope sisimore agrees with you on this one. she claims to be a former feminism. let's ask her if her aim was to dominate men.

husbands and wives were "partners" i thought. not employer and employee

who said employer and employess weren't partners ? Shocked . you kidding? do we want o get into socio - economic? Grin

LMAO.
I hope you're kidding though

are you married?

Donzman:
Women are way more influential than they think even way back from the biblical era but what do they know?

of course women are influential. you wouldn't be here without one would you?
slaves were also influential. all the cotton of the south wouldn't be produced without them would it.

but what do they know. of course they're just a bunch of weak dummies.
someone should repeal their right to vote.

davidylan:
When was it unnatural for women to go to school, discuss serious topics, take up professional jobs and hold public office? Year 1592?

have you heard of George Eliot? well, she must have beleived women and men have equal rights to write books. don't you think.
she loved to write and she did it under a pseudonym so she wouldn't be caught and punished for doing a man's job.

feminism has been in place for a LONG time. not just recently or 1952.

it's been unatural for a LONG TIME and gradually, it's vanishing. It's still considered unnatural (here and especially other parts of the world) for women to discuss serious topics and take up professional jobs especially in politics and math/ science.

davidylan:
1. Where in Nigeria do you find male friends holding hands? I can't remember doing that with any friend of mine.

yeah. In nigeria and some other parts of the world, guys are free to express their feelings and you can see male friends that are able to hug each other, go arm in arms.
here, you're gay or a sissie.

2. Sissy men are a product of our increasing need to prove that we are now "enlightened". Western values have now taught us that men who shed tears, hold hands, sound weepy, write poems, open car doors for women are romantic while the rest are not.

do you mind explaining?
shakespeare didn't live in modern western world and he wrote romance novels. men wrote poems to their loves e.t.c, they shed tears and what not.
those are just natural emotions.
can you elaborate please. on this western value of men showing emotions? It's the opposite of this that's going on from my understanding.

sisimose:
what's funny is we women cry for more emotional men, blah blah , yet when we get it, we cry to our family and friends that we want strong leading men,besides while the feminist are breaking down the gender structures in the work place etc, do they ask or wonder who the men go home to? all broken and forced to assume an unnatural role. Answer is another woman like them lol . There is more , so much more to this interesting topic so i leave it here.

You made me laugh Donzman.
I know i must sound strange to some women, but it is not strange, many women are now running back to traditional values , because the rights they fight for in the work place etc are not so pretty anymore. Check this out. My sister and her husband were doing modern family , she is feminist . She had their baby . they had a crazy idea to have him stay home because she earns a whole heap more than him, she went straight to work after my nephew was born. She had a break down from stress and depression because she felt guilty and sad that she should be home with her baby. It's not worth it sometimes. Let men play their role, that is how mama did it

feminists are breaking down the gender structures? yes
you won't be making posts here if they weren't.
It was considered "unnatural" in the past for women to discuss serious topics (they're mentally incapable remember and weak ).
It was "unnatural" for women to be authors (now i read many books authored by females and males, rather than just males)
It was "unnatural" for women to take professional jobs (now we have numerous female professionals even though we're not there yet)
it was unatural for women to vote let alone hold public office (look what we have now. i'll call it progress. but you're entitled to your opinion)

sisimose:
what's funny is we women cry for more emotional men, blah blah , yet when we get it, we cry to our family and friends that we want strong leading men,besides while the feminist are breaking down the gender structures in the work place etc, do they ask or wonder who the men go home to? all broken and forced to assume an unnatural role. Answer is another woman like them lol . There is more , so much more to this interesting topic so i leave it here.

men are also emotional. society forces them to conceal their emotions though. especially in the west.
that's why male friends can hold hand in Nigeria (i hope this has not changed) while in the US, you'll be considered a "sissy" or "girl"

It's a pity lots of sissy men are being produced nowadays,

and there were no sissies in the past?
every man was smart tough and strong while the wives were weak. that's exactly how it was in the past. it's a pity it isn't like that anymore.

Men are the natural leaders/heads of the family, if for nothing but their physical and mental attributes.]Men are the natural leaders/heads of the family, if for nothing but their physical and mental attributes.

again, what happens to the skinny ones and the ones without the physical attributes?

are you implying that men are smarter than women, have bigger brains e.t.c lmao.( it's possible. that theory was used to justify why whites were performing better than blacks)

and by "natural" i'm assuming you mean that "they have always been" and not necesarily "they were born to be leaders"
because there are families where the woman is in charge (either because she makes more money, strong-willed e.t.c) how's this unnatural?

so, by "natural", i'll assume that you mean "status quo"

oui.

that's how i recognized this thread.

it's spelled yoghurt too. there are different spellings to it.

anyways, it's thick, sour (when there's no sugar or flavor added). but really good.

It's healthy and fills your tummy. it has the healthy bacteria too that's good if you're trying to loose weight or maintain weight.

i don't think its fattening if you don't eat out of proportion.

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-Yogurt

tells how to make it

bienvenue, ekaabo, welcome, to Nairaland.

Donzman:
It's a pity Sisimose is the only realistic person on here. For a family to function, there has got to be clear leader/head of the family. It's that simple, due to evolutionary pressures, men have developed the physical strength/ability to lead a family unit, all you gotta do is recognize. There's a reason men are bigger/stronger than women on average!

maybe the definition of "family" is about to change

husbands and wives were "partners" i thought. not employer and employee

men have developed the physical strength/ability to lead a family unit, all you gotta do is recognize. There's a reason men are bigger/stronger than women on average!

skinny men shouldn't plan to get married then. do they still qualify to be the "head"

Anyone under the illusion that there is equality is highly delusional and anyone trying to force an unnatural equality(as i see it) is flogging a very dead horse. No i do not believe many(some may get it right ) women who say they are feminist actually function in the home situation to their natural capacity. It is all hard work and unnecessary headache as far as i am concerned

I personally believe in equality. such thing exists and it's not an illusion.


again, if you read the quote, media and propaganda have distorted the definition of feminism.
we live in a highly patriarchical world and feminism is pretty much a belief and advocacy of social, economical and political equality of the sexes. as long as you hold the belief, you're a feminist. IMO, many women have that belief married and unmarried.

I'll compare it to being a democrat or republican. I personally am a democrat but does that mean i do hard work and pursue democratic policies and goals ferverently, become a politician and all that? NO. just agreeing with democratic principles makes me a democrat.

so i don't get your point on feminists not being able to function in family situation.

the women who started the feminism movements were married with kids.
a lot of feminists today are married.

If you read a portion of the link that says that there are many women who turned feminists just after they got divorced because they needed support.
they didn't get divorce because they were feminists. they turned feminists because they got a divorce.
now i'm not saying all divorced women are feminists or all divorced women turn feminist. I'm just trying to apply that maybe these women didn't have the believe that women deserve equality but later on, they advocated it.

unnecessary headache as far as i am concerned

you're not a feminist. It would be an unnecessary headhache to advocate what you don't believe in.

for those who believe in it, it's not an unnecessary headache. they're doing it for themselves
i don't see how battling for female rights to vote, publish books, play sports, get professional jobs, head churches, influence govt, choose e.t.c are unnecessary.

I'm feminist because i advocate social, political, and ecomonic equality of the sexes.

_{sneezes on lewa}

sisimose, read this article to get a better understanding of what feminism is about

http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/reconciling.htm

a lot of people seem to have this misconception about feminism that it consist of a bunch of man hating anti marriage women.
there are thousands of feminists who are married and mothers.

"It is a mistake for anyone, man or woman, to buy into the media and cultural propaganda that would lump as "feminists," only those women who are not interested in marriage and motherhood."
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/reconciling.htm (same link)


again, there's a difference between feminists and "femi-nazis" (as TOH will say)

sexy guys are allergic to nairaland

@phillipe
the haters don't live in abuja so they don't give a crap.
they'd rather see the money in a foreign account than let it build abuja's roads. lol

they most likely are allergic to sports and patriotism too.

i'm not a hater
I love you.

HILLARY '08

feminism really sucks!!
"women obey your husbands!! "men love your wife". isnt that just like heaven for men and women?

phoenixman:
YES!!!!! _{i am gay} i am gay.

you sure are. you sound gay and you act gay.
desmond doesn't do men. yeah we know he's cute and all that.

my2cents:
However, a lot of divorces, I dare say, are a result of the man "not stepping up to the plate" or because "my mom was without a man all her life, so y should I need a man myself?"

I hope this clarifies it all

i don't agree with you.

cheating remains the main major reason for divorce in the west. imo.
i'll say domestic abuse too and irresponsiblity (drunkard, jobless e.t.c)

plus the fact that marriage is now idealized and doesn't serve the purpose it served when it was first formed in those ages. lol

@my2cents

Granted there are probably not many christians on this forum, but it is safe to say what I am about to say in any religion,

"Woman obey your husband" and "Husband love your wife".

If we do the aforementioned, this world would be a better place.

"man obey your wife" and "wife love your husband"

would this also make the world a better place?

I'm for feminism.

imo,
men are more likely to oppose to feminism than women because they don't benefit from it or they feel it may be detrimental to them.
individuals who grew up in environments that foster equality, have more female head figures around e.t.c are more likely to support feminism.
I think education and knowledge on the history of feminism, on works by feminists etc also gives people a positive view of it


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Donzman, your comment on kids who were raised by single parents. well, imo, they probably are more likely to support feminism depending on the environment they were raised in.

like TOH said, there's a difference between feminists and "femi-nazis". lol since feminism is now synonymous with man-hating.