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tpbm is phoenixman

all those are not 'concrete evidence'

phoenixman:
just having you talk to me, is making me very very straight right now

good. you can never be as straight as Desmond though
so quit calling him gay

shahan:
So, I'd take that quip as a teaser that Muslims don't swear - they do. You haven't heard half the story when they gather for a so-called protest against the 'infidels'.

I take that back then. now that i think about it. lol
I was just stating the attitutes of my friends in general

thanks.

Could you please enlighten on why muslims are shot to paradise and christians to heaven? What is the difference between the two since the bible also uses both interchangeably? Since you definitely have not the foggiest idea, may i submit that the above line was written without recourse to analytical reasoning.

Muslims primarily call it Paradise
Christians primarily call it Heaven

I was being 'sensitivity conscious' so in case you don't come to attack me for saying faithful muslims and christians go on to the same place.
since you dislike Islam so much. lol
I guess it didn't work?

should I call black people African American instead of Black Americans? can i use that interchangeably?

Yep. Now God is more longsuffering! In the days of Paul and Peter, people like you who uttered such blasphemy as these would have perished in the same manner as annanias and saphira!

You proved my point I guess.

so why are you complaining about the wordings of the Quran
If christians then did such thing and it was okay, why are you condeming the Islam religion for the actions of it's followers?
that's like the christian equivalent of sharia -what i just quoted you on.

Could you please enlighten us on the biblical "provocative ideologies"? I'd rather work with detailed examples than mere generalisations based on mere abstract thinking that have no basis!

what i quoted you on (above). yeah work with it.

I'm glad you mentioned that those muslims who don't believe in such hideous islamic traditions are those in christian countries. Perhaps their lack of belief is predicated on the fact that sanity prevails in christian countries and marrying more than 1 wife is against the law! The muslims that would be ideal for reference would be those in Saudi Arabia where Islam was founded! You do not make sweeping generalisations about Jews using those living in Uganda as examples!

they're not in christian countries, they're in secular countries with secular laws.
Muslims living in christian parts of Nigeria will be just as radical
while ones living in lets say USA will be moderate.

that's why i said this
"The christian nations are getting so secularized and that's the reason (I believe) that many (who are objective) take christianity in higher esteem than Islam."

Perhaps it would interest you to note that witchcraft beliefs are firmly rooted in the culture of Africans and has absolutely nothing to do with their christian beliefs!

was it also rooted in the culture of Puritans? and the witch trials had nothing to do with their christian beliefs? lol

It is easy to detect people who lack wisdom! They use the actions of one isolated mortal as a yardstick for describing an entire population. Where in the bible did it mention a jail term for homosexuals? Is Obasanjo the yardstick by which we measure christianity?

True. even the numerous Nigerian Bishops and pastors that supported it shouldn't be used as yardsticks.
unfortunately, many christians use the "guilt by association" to catigorize the Islamic religion as being suicide-bombing-terrorist-loving-radical-evil.
you see how this is wrong don't you?

btway. that wasn't my point. my point was, it's more likely for jail terms for homosexuals to be supported by christians in Africa than christians in the Western countries.
which also supports my point that muslims in other countries are likely to be more radical than muslims in the western countries

which supports my point that this is not the problem of religion but rather a problem of culture, civilization e.t.c

so yeah there is nothing wrong with the quran or Islam as a religion.

@ Shahan

That's not judging religion. It's judging practicing believers. Muslims does not equal Islam

Let's just take this as grown-ups. Where is the Muslim without Islam? In real Islamic ideology, you just do not separate the one from the other - and any Muslim will tell you that. The Muslim who denies that may do so just for the sake of arguments, and not because it holds true.

the way I see it:
Muslims are people who practice islam
and Islam is the religion they practice.
you can categorize people as 'radical muslim' or 'moderate muslim'
but you can't say 'radical islam' or 'moderate islam'

so in my opinion, Islam is one and it is the various believer's opinions and views that determine how they'll practice it whether radicaly, conservatively or in between.

at least i won't be saying Islam practice muslims. lol. they're not the same to me.

What a laugh. You really have a small view of what prayer means to practising Christians. Muslims gather five times a day for prayers in open squares and mosques doesn't prove that Christians pray less. I personally know Christians who are committed in prayer far more beyond the outward expression by which you measure their Muslim counterparts.

Sorry but I also had to laugh. lol
I have muslim friends too (nigerians, and middle-easterns) they pray A LOT and never swear.
My christian friends on the other hand ( except for the few that they label as "bible thumpers" you would fall into this category), , oh God it's a different case.
I'm using this proportionally though because there are way more christians than muslims that I'm friends with but propotionally,, yeah.
Also, it's like a common belief that muslims don't usually play with their faith.

The christian nations are getting so secularized and that's the reason (I believe) that many (who are objective) take christianity in higher esteem than Islam.



I guess we have different opinions about stuff which is good. and you're nice about it unlike Davidylan who believes everyone who doesn't accept his opinion is stupid or something.

oh my mistake. it wasn't you who posted the pics. that was mamba and youngdaddy.

phoenixman,
oh i see.
well, you sound even more fishy. you sure you're straight?
you know all the names of famous gays, have their pictures and you're pretty much obsessed with Desmond. j/k

shahan:
I presume that pretty much sums up your own delusion, judging from the fact that you neither know for certain what both faiths are actually about.

Lol, you personally don't judge religion. . . then at the end you judged what you claim you don't.

Neither Ruth, nor Deborah, nor Sarah are God - there. The fact that they're mentioned should set the stage as to why no woman is prominently mentioned as playing a historical part in Islamic theological eschatology.

In just precisely the way they've demonstrated the point to be called such.

I don't think any deluded person will call his/herself deluded. remember how they used to say "mad people don't believe they're mad"

Muslims win hands down in their practicality is what I intended and then I realized that you guys will misinterprete me so i took it out. doesn't matter anyways. The second line of my post mentions the same thing in a more understandable way. They pray more, etc and follow their faith more than christians do. That's not judging religion. It's judging practicing believers. Muslims does not equal Islam


I never called Ruth, Deborah or Sarah God. don't twist my words. Men are prominently mentioned because the book was written centuries ago and the perceptions of the people then were almost extremely biased gender-wise (according to today's standards), so there!
People living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

If you believe muslims are delusional, they also believe that YOU are delusional.
That's why i said everyone is delusional in his/her own way.

everyone is deluded in his or her own way.

Islam is the most practicing faith i've ever come across. I bet more muslims have a shot into Paradise than christians have shot into Heaven.

and I don't believe Islam is a false religion. Even if you compared early christianity to the one we have now, you probably would think they were different religions. As long as the same God is worshipped (Allah or God, and other names he has), then i don't see any problem with it anyways.

i don't think anyone should be up and arms about the 72 virgin thing. The Quran was written centuries ago. ideas like that were considered the norm. Even the Bible contains some really provocative ideologies. especially Old Testament which was written even at an earlier time period.
but then, we're in the 21st century and a lot of muslims don't believe in that especially the ones who live in secular. . .oops i mean westernized christian countries.

yeah many middle eastern muslims still believe in it? well, many christians in Africa also still believe in accusing their parents,anyone and everyone of witchcraft. I don't see the difference.

even President Obasanjo who was christian (and more westernized since he doesn't live in a farm village anymore at least) supported throwing homosexuals into jail and whatnot. I really don't see how much of a difference that is with Sharia.

The early American puritans were christians too (there are still some of them around) do you want to defend their actions? They're following the bible aren't they?

I personally don't judge religion as a whole because it's impractical to do that. Plus, people interprete their bibles, qurans differently.
just look at the people's good and moral deeds as well as the level of their practicality (in their faith).

as much as western propaganda might like you to think, all muslims aren't suicide bombing terrorists. ok?
we have the extreme muslims and the regular muslims like Munika2. don't hate on Islam



@Davidylan, why is God refered to as "HE" in the bible always. why aren't there any much females and all that except for the few Ruth, Deborah, Sarah etc compared to the plethora of males.

You sure there's no such thing as gender bias in the bible? lol

and they'll call others delusional

you wish he were gay.

loverboy, you are sounding very suspicious. even your username is scaring me.

lol.
is desmonds butt big?

snazzydawn:
I am sure you have seen the cowbell milk advert where cows advertise the milk?I mean we know that milk is from cows, but do they have to do that kind of advert? Can't they use humanbeings?Why cows?
Anyway, any one here who likes that advert?

lol
good point

they're fun to watch sometimes.

chi chi man means gay. from that homophobic 'chi chi man burn' song.

Desmond loves his ladies. i don't see how that's gay.

Saddam, if you're married, your wife must be one lucky lady.

bluenubian:
rumor or no rumor, truth or lie i don't give 2 baba dudus, jus expresing ma opinion, DESMOND ELLIOT looks gay as Hell

lmao

davidylan:
It's sad when people (kids) who are bereft of understanding jump into converstations just to hear themselves speak and end up shooting themselves in the foot. Which bible are you reading or are you reading it upside down?
Were in the bible are women and men not equal?
What are the things that have changed that now makes them equal and according to whose gospel?

oh please. you know there most certainly is gender bias in the bible and women =/= men. duh
even my pastor acknowledges that fact.

i wasn't jumping into convos btway. that same rights you have to post in this thread, i have sorry.

and, my post wasn't about you and mukina's relationship outside of Nairaland. It wasn't even directed at you as an individual even though i pretty much figured out you'd be the first to jump out.

anyways, you can go back to explaining your point to Mukina

omogenaija
yeah i remember that. lol

Eurphoria:
Wesleyanne

your view is very myopic full stop. It stems from one base only .

no, I just gave her the book as a starting point. It's not the base of my view.

nikole:
thanks a lot wesleyan A. i like how you think. i will check out the book, i have not
read it.

cool.
its not a lot of pages either. so it's a quick read

post some more pics of him please.

btway, isn't it gay for a guy to post pictures of cute guys on sites? not once, you kept posting his pics.
are you gay?

yeah we know the Quran is glorious, i respect it. so is the bible.
they're two of the greatest works in history.

don't fight over it.

mukina2:
all the people that post here . some are malicious ,others are just angry
some taunt, some try to make you see what they say is the light

i sometimes enjoy reading from some .
but yet still some claim to know a lot but no nothing
not everyone is a religious fanatic
but yet still they go out of their way to make you feel dumb

you are what you are . .i am what i am
you were born a xtain . .i was born a muslim
you believe in hwat you were told as a child . i believe in mine

ii hurts really bad when you lose a memeber of your family to any other religion but life must go on

I feel you Mukina
but men and women aren't equal according to the Quran. They aren't equal in the bible either so don't sweat it.
As long as things have changed and men and women are NOW equal (or at least almost equal).

Just Ignore people who try to look on you condenscendingly. and yeah. keep your faith

yeah post more pics!!!!!!

from the ones i've seen, he looks cute not gay.
and one can't tell a gay just by their natural *look* (not counting dressing e.t.c)

he doesn't look gay!!!!!!

zeal in styl plus looks gay then.

haters (they're mostly guys too which is soo suprising. lol)

Desmond must be a really popular ladies man in Naija.

he's straight until proven to be gay (which i doubt).
can you guys please put up more pics of him?

*wondering Mrs Desmond aka queen2's reactions when she'll see this thread*

LMAO
funny.

BlackMamba:
as ugly as nikole's point might seem, it's the reality.

yeah
I dislike when people try to bury stuff because they don't find it comfortable to discuss/ deal with.

and i hate extreme PC attitude. yeah it's nice sometimes and all but it gives people the excuse to ignore stuff . .
That's why i like threads like this. some people hate them but they are the most educative. lol

@nikole, it's not a "nigerian guys" thing.It's more like a "black people" thing.
many guys are like that. many women are like that too
read "Bluest Eyes" by Toni Morrison if you didn't yet.

like some guy honestly said, we're too black and want to be whitened. (even though he might have said it sarcastically)

true, unfortunately. lol

nah he's just really goodlooking