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Christianity EtcRe: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 8:24am On Feb 03, 2024
Read this carefully and properly, then answer:

But is He GOD or not?
For the Bible said in:

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
— Genesis 1:1 (KJV)


And the Bible said in:

John 1 (KJV)
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¹ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
² The same was in the beginning with God.
³ All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


So, is JESUS CHRIST GOD or not?

Or are you saying the Bible made a mistake?
Christianity EtcRe: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 8:23am On Feb 03, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Only begotten Son simply means the only creature God made all alone apart from Jesus all other things you're seeing around you are what God created through the use of other creatures. smiley
This is why you need to sit and learn instead of arguing blindly.

Christianity EtcRe: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 8:20am On Feb 03, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
God does all things through His creations and Jesus is one of His creations that's why he is called the firstborn of all creations. Colossians 1:15 wink
Does that mean GOD is incapable of doing anything on His own? undecided

You saying JESUS CHRIST was a creation of the FATHER, OK…
Clear these up:

Man was made from dust:
“And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”
— Genesis 2:7 (KJV)


Angels and ministers, spirits and fire:
“Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:”
— Psalms 104:4 (KJV)


What did GOD use in creating JESUS CHRIST if He was also a creation?

“Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:”
— Colossians 1:15 (KJV)

Did the above state JESUS CHRIST was the 'first creation'?
Christianity EtcRe: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 8:12am On Feb 03, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
For God so loved the world, that he GAVE his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.John 3:16



What is the name of the God who sent Jesus? cheesy
What're you even saying?
Can't you see you're just missing the point?

HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON?
What does that make JESUS CHRIST?
Christianity EtcRe: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 8:09am On Feb 03, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
He spoke @ Proverbs 8:22-31
So he worked with God during creation {Colossians 1:15-16} that doesn't make him the Almighty God he is always answerable to the one who created him! 1Corinthians 15:27-28
But is He GOD or not?
For the Bible said in:

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
— Genesis 1:1 (KJV)


And the Bible said in:

John 1 (KJV)
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
¹ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
² The same was in the beginning with God.
³ All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


So, is JESUS CHRIST GOD or not?

Or are you saying the Bible made a mistake?
Christianity EtcRe: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 8:06am On Feb 03, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Now it's clear that you've been deceiving yourself because the God of Abraham agreed that there are many Gods that people worship {Psalms 82:1,6; 1 Corinthians 8:5} and all of them were addressed by name that is why He also told His worshipers His own name! Exodus 6:2-3; Psalms 83:18

He also promised to raise a prophet among the Israelites who will be like Moses {Deuteronomy 18:18} He made Moses a God in his time {Exodus 7:1} and promised that the promised prophet like Moses will speak in His name {Deuteronomy 18:19} which Jesus did {John 17:6, 26} and Jesus' disciples confirmed that Jesus is the prophet God promised them! Act 3:22

So if you're not ready to address the God who made all these things come true by His name then you're just deceiving yourself! grin
Don't try to deviate. You ain't making sense trying to go completely off-point by changing the topic in order to sound convincing while making no sense still.

Read your quoted comment. Who's deceiving who?
What are you explaining?
What are you even saying?

I asked, Who among the gods you claim are mighty is JESUS CHRIST?
Or did you not try to compare JESUS CHRIST to the gods?

Now I now why you keep deceiving your likes with your false narratives. I wonder how you were able to convince them with these uncorrelating words.
Christianity EtcRe: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 7:55am On Feb 03, 2024
Aemmyjah:
Well
Jesus was made king by God andl given him a superior authority over all. He was loyal to doing God's will and has now been handed all authority.

If you go to an event where you have the president, senate president, governors and deputy governors
You will address them all or individually as Your Excellency
Does that mean they are all the same person cos you address them as Your Excellency? Are they all equal?

I well accept the PERSONALITY of Jesus as the Christ (God's Anointed) and Son of God
Still denying John 1:1-3?

John 1 (KJV)
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¹ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
² The same was in the beginning with God.
³ All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
FamilyRe: 'I Regret Pushing My Husband To Move Us From Okota To Lekki Phase 1' - Woman by Westerhoffe(m): 7:51am On Feb 03, 2024
phemray:
Pls don't go back to the mainland now your husband will influence every youth at okota, and even form a gang.

The only thing is that she is learning the right philosophy of life which using Newton 3rd law of motion" actions and reactions are equal and opposite" you forced him to lekki ,meaning you have your reasons and you got reactions which is equal and opposite to your actions and reasons. So for me it's normal and applicable everywhere and any time and mostly irreversible because another action taken will still lead to reactions which will still be favorable or not. She shld Leave with it till you guys japa again to London or to obudu cattle ranch.

Pls I want to ask, why do people mostly move out of where they make money to the big men area once they make huge money? For me this is the reason the poor will always be neglected because it's the poor that forgets the poor when the time comes

Christianity EtcRe: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 7:45am On Feb 03, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
I think your problem is refusal to call the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob by name so try to address the God in the Old Testament with His name and see that it's not the same person called Jesus! Exodus 6:2-3; Psalms 83:18; Isaiah 12:2; 26:4 smiley
Off-point.
Not relating.

We all know who the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is.
So what you mentioned here doesn't relate.
Christianity EtcRe: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 7:12am On Feb 03, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
There are many Gods and they're MIGHTY in nature!

God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.Psalms 82:1

So there are many Gods and they are all mighty in nature! 1Corinthians 8:5

Adam was the father of all humans on planet earth but he passed sin and death to all his descendants {Romans 5:12} Jesus has come to replace Adam {1Corinthians 15:45} so through faith in Christ all those believing in him now has a new father through whom we can learn how to put on the new personality {Ephesians 4:22-24} that's why he is called the everlasting father who bought his own children with the blood he shed unlike Adam who is now dead Jesus is alive forever as our everlasting father!
So, you just had to combine the both statements in Psalms 82:1 to form one despite seeing they were separated?
You think I'm a fool or what?

“For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)”
— 1 Corinthians 8:5 (KJV)


Did you see the conjunction word used there was 'whether' and not 'either' or 'in'?
And I didn't see where it was written they were mighty.

Now, is JESUS CHRIST among these your gods or the FATHER?

Because you're already doing what you do best, twist the Bible and then explain it off-point.
PoliticsRe: Gunmen Abduct 30 Women Escorting Newlywed Bride In Katsina by Westerhoffe(m):
Leave these guys… they're not the terrorists. The real terrorists had been charged with terrorism in this link.
Let them enjoy themselves with full immunity.
They're just businessmen.

https://www.nairaland.com/7989314/court-refuses-dismiss-terrorism-charges

PoliticsRe: Court Refuses To Dismiss Terrorism Charges Against Fubara’s COS, Edison Ehie by Westerhoffe(m): 6:52am On Feb 03, 2024
Terrorism charges?
Did I read this right?
Like seriously?

I hope they can explain the term 'Terrorism' to the people?
Because as little as I know, the real terrorists are still walking free!

This country is a joke honestly.

Christianity EtcRe: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 6:47am On Feb 03, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Of course i know better than them because it's clear that those people are biased that's why they're misquoting him.
Is it not the same people who gathered false witnesses and said he claims he is the son of God?
Is it not the same people who said he forbid the paying of tax?
Is it not the same people who preferred an armed robber like Barrabas and told Pilate that his blood should come upon them and their descendants?

None among Jesus' closest confidants claim that Jesus is Almighty God what they all know is the same thing i know:
Jesus is God's Son! Matthew 16:13-16

A son is totally different from his father!
Why did Isaiah 9:6 then call Him:

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
— Isaiah 9:6 (KJV)


Let's pick out 'The mighty GOD' and 'everlasting Father'.
Explain these two.

Then, why did Revelation 1:8 address Him as 'The Almighty'?
Why did Hebrews 1: 8 address Him as GOD?

A son and a father are same personality.
A human, a human.
A lion, a lion.
So, the FATHER is GOD? The Son too is GOD.
Christianity EtcRe: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 6:30am On Feb 03, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Jesus never made himself equal with God!

He prayed/begged for God's help.
He knelt down while praying.
He said all his teachings comes from God.
He said God is father of all including himself.
He cried onto God to change his situation.

Ọmọ noone does any of these before his equal.

He lived in heaven before as a spirit person so he is superior to humans just as angels are also superior to humans. John 8:23
Do you think you know better than those who were right in front of Him, listening to Him and said these:

“The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.”
— John 10:33 (KJV)


Explain this.
Christianity EtcRe: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 6:27am On Feb 03, 2024
Aemmyjah:
😂
Oga, you de misyan
Both Jehovah and Jesus wield authority
Jehovah is God above all and has made his son as king for a purpose too and to rule for a thousand years. Jesus himself called him, my father and my God

King of kings is a title, I dunno your problem with whether it has capital letter or not

I highlighted Revelation 5:13, that part is clearly praising two persons - the one seated on the throne and the lamb

Jesus did not say that 'I am the father', he said that 'my father and I are one'. The word are is used to join two different, distinct things or persons. If Shettima says, 'The president and I are one, does that mean that Shettima is now the president?' or that they are same...


The Word has a beginning, he was with someone
Jehovah is the ancient of days and has always existed, having no beginning or ending
You still have difficulty accepting the truth and changing your own words because you were busted.

GOD and JESUS CHRIST wield authority? Why so?
King of kings is a title, but why was it differentiated by the letters?
Revelation 5:13 was according praise to two personalities, why was the Lamb getting the same praise as the One sitting on the throne?
What and when was the beginning of the Word?

The reason why you still keep missing it is because you don't want to accept the personality of JESUS CHRIST.
SportsRe: Nigeria Vs Angola: AFCON 2023 Quarter Finals. (1 - 0) On 2nd February 2024 by Westerhoffe(m): 10:08pm On Feb 02, 2024
ViceGovernor:
Lol 😂 🤣 see those four marks at the end of my sentence they represent the 4 letter word BEER 🍻 🍺.

Me and you suppose drink like 4 bottles each 👌🏾
But let me not get ahead of my shadow make I see who them go bring for us whether na those omolo headed south Africans or Cape Vado
Good… now you know I don't take beer, not to talk of a whole 4 bottles!
This one no be celebration again fah.

Sure… Let's wait for who will be the next opponent.
SportsRe: Massive Celebration Across Nigeria As Super Eagle Defeat Angola by Westerhoffe(m): 10:04pm On Feb 02, 2024
YinkaOlusesi16:
It has been God 🙏 I never believe super eagle 🦅 can qualify group stage. Thank God they are in semi's now🙏
Seconded… I wasn't even expecting they'll come this far.
Truly, let's thank GOD.
PoliticsRe: FG Raises Exchange Rate For Cargo Clearance From N952/$ To N1,356/$ !!!! by Westerhoffe(m): 10:00pm On Feb 02, 2024
I think the Government is in Fast Recovery Mode.
Christianity EtcRe: What Is Commonly Believed About Hell That Is Not True. by Westerhoffe(m): 9:52pm On Feb 02, 2024
Yes.
Satan did not create Hell, so he could not have claimed it as his kingdom because he was also banished from Heaven and shaken down to Hell.


Isaiah 14 (KJV)
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⁹ Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
¹⁰ All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
¹¹ Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
¹² How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
¹³ For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
¹⁴ I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
¹⁵ Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.


Satan goes in and out of Hell; he monitors those whose names are erased from the Book of Death in Hell to know what kind of attack to give such new converts or a repentant backslider.
But as the LORD says, "If you also do not go back, they'll never have power over you."

Yes.
Born again Christians do not go to Hell, lukewarm Christians are the ones at risk.
Christianity EtcRe: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 9:42pm On Feb 02, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
All the servants of God aren't ordinary to Him including Jesus! smiley
But which of them makes themselves equal with GOD like JESUS CHRIST did?
Or which of them have glory with GOD before the world was like JESUS CHRIST?
SportsRe: Nigeria Vs Angola: AFCON 2023 Quarter Finals. (1 - 0) On 2nd February 2024 by Westerhoffe(m): 9:40pm On Feb 02, 2024
ViceGovernor:
Right from day 1 I have always said it that I have absolute confidence in the super eagles team 🙂
Now you can see the trophy 🏆 is coming home.

After our win we would celebrate it with....
Celebrate with what?
But I don't take strong drink o…
Nairaland GeneralRe: Woman Cries As Soldier Ants Invade Her House by Westerhoffe(m): 9:32pm On Feb 02, 2024
This isn't village people things na… haba…
Soldier ants that dealt with our chickens back then…

But if she insists it's from her village people, I have some of them laughing about the impression.

SportsRe: Nigeria Vs Angola: AFCON 2023 Quarter Finals. (1 - 0) On 2nd February 2024 by Westerhoffe(m): 8:41pm On Feb 02, 2024
ViceGovernor!!!
Oya come and throw feast o!
Nigeria refuses to trade AFCON for Grammy Awards.


😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
Christianity EtcRe: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 8:37pm On Feb 02, 2024
Aemmyjah:
Deuteronomy applies not to Jesus Christ, but to the God of the Jews, Jehovah.

King of kings. Yes it applies to Jesus as king over earthly rulers. Jesus and God are not the only persons in the Bible addressed as King it Kings... Interestingly, the Bible verse describes him as the lamb of God

Another part of the Bible says that Jesus was raised by God to a superior authority/ position.

All these ar3 are titles to show his majesty
Jesus never claimed to be God or equal to God. I said LORD was used to replace YHWH in many Bibles. You can confirm for yourself in the introduction page of some Bibles like the Revised Standard Version
You want to just argue lazily
I am not arguing lazily, but you're arguing lazily and blindly, refusing to acknowledge the truth right before your eyes because you do not want to accept the reality as it seems too impossible to be the truth.

If you say the Deuteronomy 10:17 I quoted does not refer to JESUS CHRIST but to GOD the FATHER, OK…

You also said the King of Kings ascribed to JESUS CHRIST means JESUS CHRIST as King over earthly rulers. OK.

Now may I ask:
1. Are there kings in Heaven besides GOD? Which differentiates between who the FATHER reigns over and who JESUS CHRIST reigns over?
2. If the term Lord of lords applies to GOD in Heaven, are there Lords or lords in Heaven, which differentiates between who the FATHER reigns over and who JESUS CHRIST reigns over?
3. John the Baptist called JESUS CHRIST the Lamb of GOD.

Now, about king of kings, Artaxerxes and Nebuchadnezzar were called king of kings and not King of kings, or KING OF KINGS. Meaning there is an emphasis on this title.

Hope you see the difference?


About JESUS CHRIST being the lamb of GOD. Nice observation.

Checkout what were written about JESUS CHRIST being the Lamb of GOD:

“And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.”
— Revelation 22:1 (KJV)

“And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.”
— Revelation 5:13 (KJV)

“And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.”
— Revelation 5:8 (KJV)


To pick a few.

Does this make JESUS CHRIST an ordinary person?


And the Bible has this to say moreover:

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
— John 1:1 (KJV)

“I and my Father are one.”
— John 10:30 (KJV)

“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:”
— Philippians 2:6 (KJV)
CrimeRe: Pastor Pleads For Mercy After Being Caught Wearing Full Camo (pic/video) by Westerhoffe(m): 7:48pm On Feb 02, 2024
alobright17:
Why are your pastors using bulletproof cars ? What are they scared of ?

Why do you bother about hell for me ?
My Pastors?
I don't have any Pastor not to talk of Pastors, and I do not believe in bulletproof cars because it can not save.

Those who put their trust in bulletproof cars showed who their enemies are now… that it's no longer the principalities and powers but flesh and blood. But the truth is as Christians, we do not wrestle against flesh and blood.

Which do you think is more serious; physical or spiritual warfare?
You may not even understand the latter so it's likely of no use.

About why I am bothered about Hell for you is because I have seen the mysteries of Hell which had been hidden from men who are still alive here on earth, which makes the mortal man not to bother about the dangers that are hidden in that creature/world called Hell.


I can give you a first-hand explanation from my personal experiences. This is why I won't even want my sworn enemy to go down there for any reason. This is why I'm hurt and pained whenever I see or read or hear anyone doling out false and misleading doctrines.

I am bothered because no soul that gets into Hell did not regret their mistakes and refusal to accept what they had been told about JESUS CHRIST while they were still alive.
The demons in Hell do not pity the human souls that were locked in there with them. You will feel their hatred towards you right like it's on your body. Their sights are fearful brother.

I have said this before, and I will say it again that these things are real.
TravelRe: Airfares To UK, US, Others Jump By 55% by Westerhoffe(m): 7:31pm On Feb 02, 2024
When Nigerians get really tired, they will stop adapting and adopt a method of escape.
CrimeRe: Pastor Pleads For Mercy After Being Caught Wearing Full Camo (pic/video) by Westerhoffe(m): 1:24pm On Feb 02, 2024
alobright17:
Do you warn me over a useless God for what ,go and stand at sambisa forest and warn bokoharam that are killing innocent church members and pastors .warn terrorists that enter Israel and cause war .

Why all you people's warnings always in books likewise your God's all powers are only in books .

Grave danger ? You think I'm like you Christians that believe there's heaven which they claimed to be a better place yet they're scared of death .

Even pastors using bulletproof cars and armed forces because they don't want to die and go to the so called better place .

You goes to church and start praying against death shows how you people hardly reason well .
If Christians are afraid to die, with the level of persecution faced, it won't get to this generation before it's phased out.

And besides, keep adding to your cup in the name of blaspheming GOD.
If only you know what those in Hell know, no one will tell you you're making a grave mistake and endangering your soul.
Christianity EtcRe: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 1:20pm On Feb 02, 2024
Aemmyjah:
'My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?'

Who was speaking?
Who was he referring to as his God? Himself or someone else?

'I am going to meet my father and your father, and my God and your God'
Who was speaking and who was he referring to as 'my God'
Explain these verses is what I asked.
Understand the word "Explain"?


Aemmyjah:
Jesus was described as King of kings and you say that automatically makes him God
Jesus was described as Lord and you say that means Jesus Christ
Should we then count every person in the Bible, described as such as the true God?
Now I see why you guys only deceive those who are so easy and soft to deceive. And I see you should know I do not belong to that category.

Read these verses again… or do you have difficulty reading or understanding?


In the Old Testament, the Bible said:

“For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:”
— Deuteronomy 10:17 (KJV)

“These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.”
— Revelation 17:14 (KJV)

“And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”
— Revelation 19:16 (KJV)

“Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;”
— 1 Timothy 6:15 (KJV)
Christianity EtcRe: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 1:09pm On Feb 02, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Now tell me what Jesus commanded that we are not doing because i can tell you 5 things Jesus commanded that you don't even grasp yet you're claiming Christian! smiley
Don't deviate. Don't change to another topic before the previous one is cleared.

Explain the differences you pointed out between Lord and LORD.
Christianity EtcRe: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 1:03pm On Feb 02, 2024
Aemmyjah:
Jesus was described as King of kings and you say that automatically makes him God
Jesus was described as Lord and you say that means Jesus Christ
Should we then count every person in the Bible, described as such as the true God?
Now I see why you guys only deceive those who are so easy and soft to deceive. And I see you should know I do not belong to that category.

Read these verses again… or do you have difficulty reading or understanding?


In the Old Testament, the Bible said:

“For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:”
— Deuteronomy 10:17 (KJV)

“These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.”
— Revelation 17:14 (KJV)

“And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”
— Revelation 19:16 (KJV)

“Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;”
— 1 Timothy 6:15 (KJV)
Christianity EtcRe: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 12:48pm On Feb 02, 2024
Aemmyjah:
Lord is a title not a name
Lord does not mean Jesus name
Jesus is Lord
We also have human lords like Lord Lugard and Lord Lionel. They are not God right?

The Greatest Lord over all is Jehovah God and Jesus submits to him too. He gave Jesus all authority and power over all. That is why Jesus can be described as King of kings as he's over all human kings
Nebuchadnexxar was also described as King of kings but he is not God.
LORD was introduced to replace the name of God (YHWH) by some translators including King James

So 🤷‍♂️
And tell me which of the above verses is referring to a human.

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