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Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 6:30am On Feb 03, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Jesus never made himself equal with God!

He prayed/begged for God's help.
He knelt down while praying.
He said all his teachings comes from God.
He said God is father of all including himself.
He cried onto God to change his situation.

Ọmọ noone does any of these before his equal.

He lived in heaven before as a spirit person so he is superior to humans just as angels are also superior to humans. John 8:23
Do you think you know better than those who were right in front of Him, listening to Him and said these:

“The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.”
— John 10:33 (KJV)


Explain this.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 6:27am On Feb 03, 2024
Aemmyjah:
😂
Oga, you de misyan
Both Jehovah and Jesus wield authority
Jehovah is God above all and has made his son as king for a purpose too and to rule for a thousand years. Jesus himself called him, my father and my God

King of kings is a title, I dunno your problem with whether it has capital letter or not

I highlighted Revelation 5:13, that part is clearly praising two persons - the one seated on the throne and the lamb

Jesus did not say that 'I am the father', he said that 'my father and I are one'. The word are is used to join two different, distinct things or persons. If Shettima says, 'The president and I are one, does that mean that Shettima is now the president?' or that they are same...


The Word has a beginning, he was with someone
Jehovah is the ancient of days and has always existed, having no beginning or ending
You still have difficulty accepting the truth and changing your own words because you were busted.

GOD and JESUS CHRIST wield authority? Why so?
King of kings is a title, but why was it differentiated by the letters?
Revelation 5:13 was according praise to two personalities, why was the Lamb getting the same praise as the One sitting on the throne?
What and when was the beginning of the Word?

The reason why you still keep missing it is because you don't want to accept the personality of JESUS CHRIST.
Sports › Re: Nigeria Vs Angola: AFCON 2023 Quarter Finals. (1 - 0) On 2nd February 2024 by Westerhoffe(m): 10:08pm On Feb 02, 2024
ViceGovernor:
Lol 😂 🤣 see those four marks at the end of my sentence they represent the 4 letter word BEER 🍻 🍺.

Me and you suppose drink like 4 bottles each 👌🏾
But let me not get ahead of my shadow make I see who them go bring for us whether na those omolo headed south Africans or Cape Vado
Good… now you know I don't take beer, not to talk of a whole 4 bottles!
This one no be celebration again fah.

Sure… Let's wait for who will be the next opponent.
Sports › Re: Massive Celebration Across Nigeria As Super Eagle Defeat Angola by Westerhoffe(m): 10:04pm On Feb 02, 2024
YinkaOlusesi16:
It has been God 🙏 I never believe super eagle 🦅 can qualify group stage. Thank God they are in semi's now🙏
Seconded… I wasn't even expecting they'll come this far.
Truly, let's thank GOD.
Politics › Re: FG Raises Exchange Rate For Cargo Clearance From N952/$ To N1,356/$ !!!! by Westerhoffe(m): 10:00pm On Feb 02, 2024
I think the Government is in Fast Recovery Mode.
Christianity Etc › Re: What Is Commonly Believed About Hell That Is Not True. by Westerhoffe(m): 9:52pm On Feb 02, 2024
Yes.
Satan did not create Hell, so he could not have claimed it as his kingdom because he was also banished from Heaven and shaken down to Hell.


Isaiah 14 (KJV)
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⁹ Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
¹⁰ All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
¹¹ Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
¹² How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
¹³ For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
¹⁴ I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
¹⁵ Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.


Satan goes in and out of Hell; he monitors those whose names are erased from the Book of Death in Hell to know what kind of attack to give such new converts or a repentant backslider.
But as the LORD says, "If you also do not go back, they'll never have power over you."

Yes.
Born again Christians do not go to Hell, lukewarm Christians are the ones at risk.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 9:42pm On Feb 02, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
All the servants of God aren't ordinary to Him including Jesus! smiley
But which of them makes themselves equal with GOD like JESUS CHRIST did?
Or which of them have glory with GOD before the world was like JESUS CHRIST?
Sports › Re: Nigeria Vs Angola: AFCON 2023 Quarter Finals. (1 - 0) On 2nd February 2024 by Westerhoffe(m): 9:40pm On Feb 02, 2024
ViceGovernor:
Right from day 1 I have always said it that I have absolute confidence in the super eagles team 🙂
Now you can see the trophy 🏆 is coming home.

After our win we would celebrate it with....
Celebrate with what?
But I don't take strong drink o…
Nairaland General › Re: Woman Cries As Soldier Ants Invade Her House by Westerhoffe(m): 9:32pm On Feb 02, 2024
This isn't village people things na… haba…
Soldier ants that dealt with our chickens back then…

But if she insists it's from her village people, I have some of them laughing about the impression.

Sports › Re: Nigeria Vs Angola: AFCON 2023 Quarter Finals. (1 - 0) On 2nd February 2024 by Westerhoffe(m): 8:41pm On Feb 02, 2024
ViceGovernor!!!
Oya come and throw feast o!
Nigeria refuses to trade AFCON for Grammy Awards.


😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 8:37pm On Feb 02, 2024
Aemmyjah:
Deuteronomy applies not to Jesus Christ, but to the God of the Jews, Jehovah.

King of kings. Yes it applies to Jesus as king over earthly rulers. Jesus and God are not the only persons in the Bible addressed as King it Kings... Interestingly, the Bible verse describes him as the lamb of God

Another part of the Bible says that Jesus was raised by God to a superior authority/ position.

All these ar3 are titles to show his majesty
Jesus never claimed to be God or equal to God. I said LORD was used to replace YHWH in many Bibles. You can confirm for yourself in the introduction page of some Bibles like the Revised Standard Version
You want to just argue lazily
I am not arguing lazily, but you're arguing lazily and blindly, refusing to acknowledge the truth right before your eyes because you do not want to accept the reality as it seems too impossible to be the truth.

If you say the Deuteronomy 10:17 I quoted does not refer to JESUS CHRIST but to GOD the FATHER, OK…

You also said the King of Kings ascribed to JESUS CHRIST means JESUS CHRIST as King over earthly rulers. OK.

Now may I ask:
1. Are there kings in Heaven besides GOD? Which differentiates between who the FATHER reigns over and who JESUS CHRIST reigns over?
2. If the term Lord of lords applies to GOD in Heaven, are there Lords or lords in Heaven, which differentiates between who the FATHER reigns over and who JESUS CHRIST reigns over?
3. John the Baptist called JESUS CHRIST the Lamb of GOD.

Now, about king of kings, Artaxerxes and Nebuchadnezzar were called king of kings and not King of kings, or KING OF KINGS. Meaning there is an emphasis on this title.

Hope you see the difference?


About JESUS CHRIST being the lamb of GOD. Nice observation.

Checkout what were written about JESUS CHRIST being the Lamb of GOD:

“And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.”
— Revelation 22:1 (KJV)

“And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.”
— Revelation 5:13 (KJV)

“And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.”
— Revelation 5:8 (KJV)


To pick a few.

Does this make JESUS CHRIST an ordinary person?


And the Bible has this to say moreover:

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
— John 1:1 (KJV)

“I and my Father are one.”
— John 10:30 (KJV)

“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:”
— Philippians 2:6 (KJV)
Crime › Re: Pastor Pleads For Mercy After Being Caught Wearing Full Camo (pic/video) by Westerhoffe(m): 7:48pm On Feb 02, 2024
alobright17:
Why are your pastors using bulletproof cars ? What are they scared of ?

Why do you bother about hell for me ?
My Pastors?
I don't have any Pastor not to talk of Pastors, and I do not believe in bulletproof cars because it can not save.

Those who put their trust in bulletproof cars showed who their enemies are now… that it's no longer the principalities and powers but flesh and blood. But the truth is as Christians, we do not wrestle against flesh and blood.

Which do you think is more serious; physical or spiritual warfare?
You may not even understand the latter so it's likely of no use.

About why I am bothered about Hell for you is because I have seen the mysteries of Hell which had been hidden from men who are still alive here on earth, which makes the mortal man not to bother about the dangers that are hidden in that creature/world called Hell.


I can give you a first-hand explanation from my personal experiences. This is why I won't even want my sworn enemy to go down there for any reason. This is why I'm hurt and pained whenever I see or read or hear anyone doling out false and misleading doctrines.

I am bothered because no soul that gets into Hell did not regret their mistakes and refusal to accept what they had been told about JESUS CHRIST while they were still alive.
The demons in Hell do not pity the human souls that were locked in there with them. You will feel their hatred towards you right like it's on your body. Their sights are fearful brother.

I have said this before, and I will say it again that these things are real.
Travel › Re: Airfares To UK, US, Others Jump By 55% by Westerhoffe(m): 7:31pm On Feb 02, 2024
When Nigerians get really tired, they will stop adapting and adopt a method of escape.
Crime › Re: Pastor Pleads For Mercy After Being Caught Wearing Full Camo (pic/video) by Westerhoffe(m): 1:24pm On Feb 02, 2024
alobright17:
Do you warn me over a useless God for what ,go and stand at sambisa forest and warn bokoharam that are killing innocent church members and pastors .warn terrorists that enter Israel and cause war .

Why all you people's warnings always in books likewise your God's all powers are only in books .

Grave danger ? You think I'm like you Christians that believe there's heaven which they claimed to be a better place yet they're scared of death .

Even pastors using bulletproof cars and armed forces because they don't want to die and go to the so called better place .

You goes to church and start praying against death shows how you people hardly reason well .
If Christians are afraid to die, with the level of persecution faced, it won't get to this generation before it's phased out.

And besides, keep adding to your cup in the name of blaspheming GOD.
If only you know what those in Hell know, no one will tell you you're making a grave mistake and endangering your soul.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 1:20pm On Feb 02, 2024
Aemmyjah:
'My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?'

Who was speaking?
Who was he referring to as his God? Himself or someone else?

'I am going to meet my father and your father, and my God and your God'
Who was speaking and who was he referring to as 'my God'
Explain these verses is what I asked.
Understand the word "Explain"?


Aemmyjah:
Jesus was described as King of kings and you say that automatically makes him God
Jesus was described as Lord and you say that means Jesus Christ
Should we then count every person in the Bible, described as such as the true God?
Now I see why you guys only deceive those who are so easy and soft to deceive. And I see you should know I do not belong to that category.

Read these verses again… or do you have difficulty reading or understanding?


In the Old Testament, the Bible said:

“For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:”
— Deuteronomy 10:17 (KJV)

“These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.”
— Revelation 17:14 (KJV)

“And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”
— Revelation 19:16 (KJV)

“Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;”
— 1 Timothy 6:15 (KJV)
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 1:09pm On Feb 02, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Now tell me what Jesus commanded that we are not doing because i can tell you 5 things Jesus commanded that you don't even grasp yet you're claiming Christian! smiley
Don't deviate. Don't change to another topic before the previous one is cleared.

Explain the differences you pointed out between Lord and LORD.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 1:03pm On Feb 02, 2024
Aemmyjah:
Jesus was described as King of kings and you say that automatically makes him God
Jesus was described as Lord and you say that means Jesus Christ
Should we then count every person in the Bible, described as such as the true God?
Now I see why you guys only deceive those who are so easy and soft to deceive. And I see you should know I do not belong to that category.

Read these verses again… or do you have difficulty reading or understanding?


In the Old Testament, the Bible said:

“For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:”
— Deuteronomy 10:17 (KJV)

“These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.”
— Revelation 17:14 (KJV)

“And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”
— Revelation 19:16 (KJV)

“Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;”
— 1 Timothy 6:15 (KJV)
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 12:48pm On Feb 02, 2024
Aemmyjah:
Lord is a title not a name
Lord does not mean Jesus name
Jesus is Lord
We also have human lords like Lord Lugard and Lord Lionel. They are not God right?

The Greatest Lord over all is Jehovah God and Jesus submits to him too. He gave Jesus all authority and power over all. That is why Jesus can be described as King of kings as he's over all human kings
Nebuchadnexxar was also described as King of kings but he is not God.
LORD was introduced to replace the name of God (YHWH) by some translators including King James

So 🤷‍♂️
And tell me which of the above verses is referring to a human.
Politics › Re: Senator Ned Nwoko Urges For The Right Of Nigerians To Carry Firearms - (video) by Westerhoffe(m): 12:47pm On Feb 02, 2024
And hope the government won't get to decide which one you try to get? Because you can't confront someone operating a rifle with a shotgun.
Crime › Re: Pastor Pleads For Mercy After Being Caught Wearing Full Camo (pic/video) by Westerhoffe(m): 12:42pm On Feb 02, 2024
alobright17:
ok you're no longer threatening me to delete my comment since you know your God is so powerless to act outside the fake book called Bible.

Now is someday not realm again. White God that is so useless.
Threaten you?
Is that how you thought of it?
I don't make threats. I only warned you, but you rebuffed.
But know you're making a grave mistake which might not be reversible if you did not make amendment at the right time.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 12:38pm On Feb 02, 2024
Aemmyjah:
Again
That verse shows no indication that Jesus is equal or the same as the Father
You said, 'Lord' means JESUS CHRIST, while LORD means the FATHER.
Same you said JESUS CHRIST is the Son of GOD while the FATHER is the Almighty.
Then I gave you a verse from the Bible you claimed to know so well where JESUS CHRIST claimed to be the Almighty and you started jumping from bush to forest.

JESUS CHRIST is also called the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

Now, let's dig this out even.

You said 'Lord' is for JESUS CHRIST and 'LORD' is for the FATHER.
Now explain the following verses.


In the Old Testament, the Bible said:

“For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:”
— Deuteronomy 10:17 (KJV)

“These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.”
— Revelation 17:14 (KJV)

“And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.”
— Revelation 19:16 (KJV)

“Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;”
— 1 Timothy 6:15 (KJV)


Come over here and explain these verses.

I told you your doctrines are erroneous and you should understand you ain't talking to a programmable human.
Family › Re: 'I Regret Pushing My Husband To Move Us From Okota To Lekki Phase 1' - Woman by Westerhoffe(m): 12:25pm On Feb 02, 2024
Sad…
Sorry…
Endure…
Reverse the push...
Move back to the mainland.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 12:21pm On Feb 02, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
There could only be a misinterpretation:

If you're not doing the assignment given!

So tell me what assignment Jesus gave his disciples and how you are part of those doing it if you're not the one misinterpretating what you don't understand! smiley
Changing the truth of the word of GOD to a lie is not what JESUS CHRIST sent you.
There is a reward for being a false teacher.

What JESUS CHRIST commanded is:
Matthew 28 (KJV)
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¹⁹ Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
²⁰ Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


But what you guys are teaching is your own doctrines, which are contrary to the truth.
Crime › Re: Pastor Pleads For Mercy After Being Caught Wearing Full Camo (pic/video) by Westerhoffe(m): 12:11pm On Feb 02, 2024
alobright17:
Mugu but your Yeye God did not wait for realm and he killed Ananias and wife sharp sharp .

He didn't wait for realm before killing innocent first sons of Egypt for sin they never committed

Your God didn't wait for realm before destroying earth during Noah time with both innocent Animals , trees and even children.i can give you many verses where your mumu God took instant action without waiting for realm

Your God is only strong inside that useless book called Bible A useless God that chaser Satan down to earth the same God destroyed earth and Satan wasn't destroyed.


They've used realm to wash your brain like they did to most of us as Christians back then . Keep hoping for realm ok .
The fact that you hate GOD does not change the fact that you'd still answer to Him someday. That's one thing you should never forget.
Romance › Re: What Should A Married Man Do In Situations Like This by Westerhoffe(m): 12:09pm On Feb 02, 2024
Emmanuel900:
She is already cheating emotionally it is not until they start having sex that is only cheating.

It is mostly emotional cheating that develop to sexual affairs
All right.
Crime › Re: Gunmen Kill Kwara Monarch, Oba Segun Aremu-Cole, Abduct Wife, Two Others by Westerhoffe(m): 12:09pm On Feb 02, 2024
Christistruth00:
That is Political
If you say so.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did God Create The Devil? by Westerhoffe(m): 10:04am On Feb 02, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Since it's not added then it's completely useless to the Christian faith! smiley
And what have you done to the ones added to the Bible if not misquote and misinterpret?
Even if it was added, you'd do what you've always done, twist and misinterpret it as always.
Crime › Re: Gunmen Kill Kwara Monarch, Oba Segun Aremu-Cole, Abduct Wife, Two Others by Westerhoffe(m): 10:02am On Feb 02, 2024
Christistruth00:
It looks very Political for 3 Ekiti Monarchs to be killed in 3 days and we know from the Offa bank Robbery Case that some Dangerous Criminals have high up Political Connections
I might be wrong though, but I really don't think this is all political due to the rage in the Capital, Ondo, and now Ekiti State, not even to leave this aside either.

I think it is an invasion of the South.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Request For A Christian Specific Only by Westerhoffe(op): 9:59am On Feb 02, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Well you and all your cohorts making demands forgot one vital point:

All Muslims globally agreed on the terms given on this forum so Seun can't go against it but as for your own terms it's not generally accepted among those claiming Christians.
Farewell! smiley
And you should concur that people like you and your false doctrines are why there has been a division among those who read and teach from the Bible.

Farewell.
cool
Crime › Re: Pastor Pleads For Mercy After Being Caught Wearing Full Camo (pic/video) by Westerhoffe(m): 9:55am On Feb 02, 2024
alobright17:
I said another useless empty Yeye threat , for your mind everyone is scared of your damn fake ass while man god Abi ? All what you've seen and pass through is simply because of that your same wicked white man god . Stewpid god that endorsed slavery.

Tell me what will happen to me since I'm not deleting anything. Give me timeline.so that I'll still come.back and laugh at your ignorance and Yeye believe system called god that can't even stop your church members suffering and penury.

No be only delete.
Timeline?
Timeline for what?
You think that's how GOD just kill anyone? You must be a joker to even reason that way.
The major danger there is not even in this our realm but in the afterlife. And that's when no amendment can be made for it's always too late.

Many have walked this thin line of yours and crossed successfully to the cheer of the world, but out of this realm, they're all alone eating up their words with deep regrets of not listening to the voices of reprove.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Request For A Christian Specific Only by Westerhoffe(op): 7:54am On Feb 02, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
Perhaps you need to go back to your senator passing a bill illustration because anyone can wake up and come to the house with any bill but the first thing the house will put into consideration is the population of those that may raise objection against such a move.
So you should have considered all other groups claiming Christians. Are they all of the same opinion that Jesus is God Almighty?

If not then you're not representing all those claiming Christians!smiley
This comment makes no sense.

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