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If there aren't any fp threads, then there aren't any fp threads. Fp does not necessarily mean good though, no? Highyo's threads are popular there for instance and I'd like to think, like implied, that we have higher standards than that. Besides this isn't a competition, or is there a quota that must be filled?

If you really want to put up intelligent material with an atheistic bent, simply pick one @plaeton's threads or something similar.

Then, and again, this is fp, the lowest possible denominator....

italo1: Keep it coming...

Where are Mr Troll and Wiegraf with their customary insults.

I need them to build my case right now.

This sounds like bu.tthurt clouding your judgment. In other words; bitterness

In before 'not so', according to you even what's objective is also somehow, inexplicably, subjective. Following that logic(?) reason doesn't matter, therefore when I say you're bitter, then you're bitter, shikena. Same extends to you as well of course, so feel free to indulge (and ultimately waste our time of course, since we're all correct why do we even bother, see?)

Appliedmaths.:
I reiterate "if good and evil
cannot be separated in this world, then there
must be a place where good and evil must be
separated or else man is living a wasted
life". You can quote me anywhere in the world I would gladly accept this claim.

Cool, but it's a foo.lish, shallow claim.

Exactly why must good and evil be separated? Before that though, please, do point out one single act, any one at all, that is universally good.

You think your life wasted, why should we care? Don't expect us to indulge you.

This is another whine that assumes the universe was created special custom made for very special you....

Seun: Good riddance. Logicboy is a troll. Atheists who are not trolls are very welcome in this section. Trolls of all religions are not welcome. QED.

Profit being motivation does not exclude one from being a troll. Trolling is trolling

Che, lb, you give way WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY too much credit to some folk.....

Mr Troll: Its amazing how when you post the many contradictions in the bible and instead of the christians to address and possibly debunk said contradictions they go on a tangent and start telling you to turn to their god blah blah blah. I mean, somebody is telling you that your 'holy' book is full of sh.it with proofs but instead of showing them their error you go about telling them to believe in your god, same god being preached about in the full of sh.it bible. Who does that? I swear some people need to be locked up in psychiatric homes!

[img]http://anmolahuja.files./2011/10/blind-faith.jpg[/img]

Mysteriosunessesesses blhablahblashdsawehareawhargl

The really annoying bit is they expect to be indulged.....just because..

I'd like to thank thread bossus, thanks to y'all I feel less need to occasionally show up and attempt dialogue with sheeple. Please keep it up when you can

Blackteeth: Atheists believe that everything in existence emerged by chance, but there is a problem with this belief.
There are over a thousand non man-made things in existence that are cleverly designed. So how would a thousand different cleverly and separately made things emerge my luck? This is same as saying you can throw a dice 1000 times and get a number 6 in all 1000 throws.
So Atheists in the house, is it possible to throw a dice 1000 times and get a six in all 1000 throws? Does luck work this way?

This has little to do with atheism. The bolded is false. Some do, others don't.

Some atheists have a pet theory, others don't. Only denominator, no supernatural involved, especially tyrants in the sky fussing about what fabrics you wear. No reason to believe there are gods

italo: As far as I know, 2+2=4 is not disputed anywhere else. However, there are many other matters on logic that are disputed. When asked why your position is right, you say because 2+2=4. When your adversaries are asked why they are right, they say because 2+2=4. Then who decides objectively who is following logical principle?

And you're still dancing around. I am not, and have not, been referring to matters that are disputed, that should be clear, no? If you want to dispute, I've been asking you to do just that, not claim there's some dispute and not back up your assertion.

italo: You seem to think its the one who shouts it out the most...or the one with the biggest collection of insultive words...or the one with the longest epistles.

I dont believe that.

No, it's very simple; the one who makes the most sense. And you do little of that.

High and mighty passive aggressive, that's simply the way I write (and there's a point to every word, believe it or not), just as it's your style to say little and mean even less. And insultive words? lol. I didn't even use many of those, but you do know there are a variety of ways to insult one, yes? Like judging one for simply mentioning se.x, yes? Sinful my a$$ <- said with more 'insulting' words, see?

And I won't dumb $hit down if it it will misrepresent me. I keep it curt only when the person I'm debating has shown s/he is capable of understanding without too much exposition.

Meh, kudos for now

Mr Troll: hahahahaha.

See this liar exposed...


http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2008/11/10/contradictions-seeds-of-dissent

Now compare this to this your response:

https://www.nairaland.com/1432029/illiterate-jesus-exposed-false-prophet/1#18020263

Can it be a coincidence that the wordings used are an exact match? Joel Liar exposed!!!

See man, I know your type. You guys lack original thought and always run to christian apologist sites to copy and paste. And to further show your dubiousness, you couldn't even ackknowledge the source. Shame on you

Actually, there's potentially good reason for this. There's the theorem which features the monkey and a keyboard, and that given enough time (projected as zillions upon zillions of years), it will eventually produce Hamlet word for word. That could explain why the texts are almost iden.....


...wait. What were you saying about italo?


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/Monkey-typing.jpg/220px-Monkey-typing.jpg

Uyi Iredia: Your first response connotes you see where I'm going. It so happens your assertion is not just that, it is (ironically) a contradiction. 4 IS NOT 2+2: going by the law you agreed with 4 is 4 and nothing else, you have simply being indoctrinated in believing 2+2=4 as true, so much so you you'll find it hard to think otherwise. TBH if the symbol 5 were used in place of 4 and vice-versa when the respective numerals were agreed on I would be arguing how 2+2 is not equal to 5, and you'll think it nonsense.

Erm, @uyi, I'm not talking about symbols here, I'm talking about universal, mathematical truths. The sort that would say facilitate interaction with intelligent alien species. Mathematical truths aren't even physical

So, where exactly did you show that 2+2!=4?

italo: I will simply wait for you to show me why the world must adhere to your idea of what is objectively logical.

Little time for frivolities.

I never said the world must adhere to what I think is objectively logical, I said the objectively logical is objectively logical regardless of what you, I or even your omnipotent GOD??!! thinks. They are universal, and oftentimes can be ascertained, hence the word 'objective', yes? 2+2=4 is logically correct in any universe regardless of what you, I, or anybody else thinks.

Using this, we can at least attempt to determine if a given action is logical, or not, yes?


Random; I understand you're a man of few words, so few in fact you barely make sense, but frivolities? You don't think it frivolous to go all holier art thou at the mention of se.x? lol. You could simply ignore that, you know, and face the scenario I offered you pages ago which you've been coyly avoiding. At least now I have your attention.

You cut an austere figure brah. I'm sure all those priests do so as well, while singing to themselves

"There was a young chaplain from King's
Who talked about God and such things;
But his real desire
Was a boy in the choir
With a bottom like jelly on springs."

italo: I'd rather not glorify fornication.

Perhaps you can relate your theory to something less sinful...

Glorify fornication? What's glorifying about that, simply mentioning sha.gging? Se.x is a ubiquitous natural activity. You don't believe me? Put on animal planet, see? Not sure what the big deal i.... ahhh, sins.

Yes, forgive me, it 's hard to keep up with what's sinful and what's not, it seems rather haphazard. For instance, apparently wearing different fabrics together is a sin worthy of a stoning to death then eternal roasting in hell. Obviously there's no sane logic behind that, so you'll excuse me if I have trouble keeping up with what's sinful and what's not; I'm no good with cramming.

So, ok, let's use your holy book

GOD??!!:
And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

So, they were married, but as it was either his mom or his sister, or both, then incest was involved. Are you comfortable with this?

So again

me: There's no objective way to ascertain who's hotter, one's wedded mother or sister. However, there would be an objective way to verify foo.lish ways to go about wooing either of them, yes? The goal is to get laid tonight, you know your mother speaks only english, you also know how to speak english, you then approach and start spitting in hausa or yoruba, you're undeniably being foo.lish, no?

If you're uncomfortable with this as well, then we could use Lot and his daughters, or the Book of Solomon, or the incident involving circumcising hundreds of adult males, or the many genocides, etc etc, any of the good, non-sinful deeds in the good book.


Or you could simply use the scenario I presented earlier, which you ignored

me: If your aim is to cross a road, you value that and that is your aim, and instead of simply crossing when the road is clear you deliberately wait for a truck moving at speed passes by then jump in front of it, as you calculated that the impact would fling you across the road and thus fulfill your purpose, then well, you're foo.lish. Unless, of course, your aim was to reach the other side dead or something similar, agree?

I'm fine with whichever you pick

Joagbaje: I guess you meant to say "negative" instead of "positive" or you didn't get me right.

Yes, I meant to say negative. Apologies for that.

Joagbaje: My question was ; if he went for a test after the "healing" did he still test POSITIVE or NEGATIVE ? If he tested NEGATIVE to HIV after the "Healing " then he was healed . If he died ,he must have died of some other causes .

God can never fail...

Even if he tested negative at the time, you think it a coincidence he just happened to die a few months after he got off the medication? You do know how AIDS works, yes? Stop taking medication = death, that is no coincidence. Here's what occam's razor would tell you, it's simple, he was never cured...

Did he actually take the test? I don't know. But considering this very well known fact; there is no known cure for AIDS, I am more inclined to believe he was LYING or there was an accident with the testing somewhere, etc etc. Why would he lie? Many reasons, perhaps some shepherd (or wolf) fleecing him told him to have faith and just believe, put his trust in god and believe he was healed. Something like;

wolf: Someone cannot be healed without faith in the word of God. Someone cannot be healed if he has fear or unbelief. So he just has to believe he has been cured, have faith that he has been cured, god cannot fail, and it will be so

and in his desperation (and sheer stoopidity) the sheeple went along, the rest is history.

Bottom line, I'd much sooner believe in human folly than in miracles.

And all that said, even if he had indeed been tested negative at that time, and doctor(s) was nonplussed but acknowledged the test valid as far as he could tell, I very, VERY highly doubt he'd tell him to stop taking his medication. That is sheer, utter madness. It is completely needless and foolish russian roulette, and the sort which features only one empty slot in the chamber. Why you'd even need to take the test needlessly bewilders me.

Again, when you have HIV it isn't just going to walk away. For whatever reason that test came back negative, you do not just stop medication, you continue testing/medication, possibly for years even, and monitor even after that, to make sure one has indeed been cured and no error was involved. If the doctor recommended he stopped medication just after the one or few tests, then that doctor needs to be investigated, obviously.

And here you are, even assuming they were indeed 'healed' (note; ie they got a negative test for whatever reason), suggesting people throw caution to the wind and put their faith in god, who can do no wrong. Taking medication is what displeased god?

Joagbaje: Except if he lost his healing. Yes I remember you wanted clarification on that. It's possible to lose ones healing, if the person continue in sin, especially the kind of sin that brought about the sickness. Someone can lose his healing by not building his faith on the word of God. Someone can lose his healing through fear or unbelief .

Are you saying lack of faith is what brings on the ailment?
Are you also saying that sin, and by sin I mean displeasing god, is responsible for disease?

Uyi Iredia: Going by the law of identity, A=A and nothing else, agreed ?

4 is also 2+2. I'll humor you for now and say; yes.

italo: No. They gave up on treating cancer. Especially when you are the patient, not them.

Try asking them, dont just assume.


Precisely what your adversaries would ask you.

italo: By saying that some people think you and wiegraf illogical the same way you think them illogical?

Is that a lie?

wiegraf: Do show who denies this

You'll proceed to whine about one repeating himself....

Now, there are objective truths that can be ascertained, yes? Eg, 2+2=4, yes? So, if we set up a value system, which would be subjective, we can then go about figuring out if our actions are objectively foo.lish or not, yes?

There's no objective way to ascertain who's hotter, oprah or jessica alba. However, there would be an objective way to verify foo.lish ways to go about wooing either of them, yes? The goal is to get laid tonight, you know jessica speaks english, you also know how to speak english, you then approach and start spitting in hausa or yoruba, you're undeniably being foo.lish, no?

Op, donations (definitely, not using them, but considering my lifestyle, what's left of my body....) then burn the rest. I do very selfishly long for immortality. Well, depending.....

Rights are complicated, but obviously, I'll do everything I can to make sure NOTHING RELIGIOUS. Don't care about their feelings, sorry, I'd be the dead one, not them. They should respect my wishes like I do theirs. Then again, in this country one may have little choice.

On a somewhat related note (but not really), this dude commited suicide on his 60th birthday, left a website chronicling his life, reasons for his final act (apparently he just thought 60 was decent), etc. He prepared, eg paid for 5 years of server space after his death, but yahoo took the site off their servers when they discovered it. Not sure if anyone is planning legal action

Averroes: Man, sometimes, i just want to slam my head on my keyboard,
Trolls are so damn annoying.

Trolls trolling trolls is always on some level amusing. Makes you wonder who's the true mastah.

*If only I could find one skilled enough to troll the Faceless Man, but I doubt anyone in these parts possesses near enough expertise

italo: Question is what have they given up on?

Spreading cancer

Do you still accept that 2+2=4 is objectively true?

Uyi Iredia: The bolded is an type of assumption. It is subjective which isn't the same everywhere. It is fallacious since it fails the law of identity. These propositions I will defend if you undertake to slight it on this thread, in any manner.

Yes, please show me how 2+2 != 4


And what do you think this is? Sparta? Are you willing to defend your whargarbl to the death?

aManFromMars: The 3 white girls?

First, but I thought there were more than 3. All vir.gins. Excorcizing some sort of sexual demon from a fat middle-aged dude....

Then the latin american crew.. Those were the 'professionals'. With schools, etc.. I know we have those in 9ja but still... I wonder if they have unions? Apparently they've strangled a few people during exorcisms.....


Listen, humanity is scary crazy. Why'd you leave mars??!

Mr Troll: ^^^
[url=www.nairaland.com/joel%20lala]Joel Lala[/url]

Mayhaps, but meh, initial reaction is about italo level at most.

He seems more concerned with details atm, did the bible say this or that blah in chapter blah verse blah blah blah. If he ventures into something that interests me I'll seek and (likely) destroy of course. ty

Mr Troll: seriously, despite anything Anony is the North to this guys South. He's the only one capable of making any sense in arguments. The rest. . .smh. But you flatter Italo though. Ah ahn! The best atm? I find even that difficult to swallow.

lol

But really if you can point out someone willing and better, I'll take it...

Italo is taking the mantle only because the rest have given up, mind you

Now, try finding this mythical 'better' xtian.......





























......still searching?

Mr Troll: now i don't know whether to laugh or cry. . .

I'm even considering being nicer to anony next time he shows up...

Tough ask, considering he seems incapable separating his religion from government....

Logicboy03: Wiegraff me? Your homie?

MEEE?

Guy, after all this time, you can accuse me of such? Stop this rough play oooo

Yes

Bear in mind it's impossible to not be a hypocrite, but really..
We should at least attempt


That said, there are professional exorcists on national geographic atm. I need to laugh at that for a bit....

He's actually the best of what's on offer atm....

Joagbaje: My point is, did he test negative after the prayer? . If he tested negative after the prayer , then it's not the HIV that killed him. But if he didn't go for medical test to confirm his healing then he probably didnt get healed . That explained why he could drop dead. The only other reason is if he lost his healing

The claim is he tested positive. Is the claim true? I doubt it. And I very highly doubt that one tested positive for HIV who dies a few months after ending medication due to being 'healed' in a church didn't die because of aforementioned HIV. Frankly, to suggest otherwise is preposterous considering the evidence. And the 'healers' should be prosecuted, just as those who sell fake medication are.

Gymnastics asides, my problem is clear. Would you contravene or override advice from medical professionals? And can you clarify the bolded pls?

Logicboy03: Straight indecency= bigoted to straight people
Lesbian indecency = bigoted to lesbians
Trans indencency = bigoted to transexuals


see your slippery slope of an argument

Slippery slope what? You're ignoring the issue, and to what aim?

All porn = bad apparently, yet you only whine and highlight it when it's ghey. Bigotry. This is real simple......
And it's a trend, you seem only concerned when your interests are involved.

Logicboy03: Guy....take your [size=14pt]gay[/size] porn away from here

Po.rn is the issue you say, then exactly why mention ghey? Is that a necessary detail? Sounds to me like you're demonizing. Would you be complaining if it were a man's head by a big a$$ booty? I've seen you go on about booty, yet here you are bi.tching cause this booty is not of the sort you like.

This looks like bigotry to me, you're prejudiced. Just admit it so you can deal with it. Lots of dudes are because of society's demands. However, in your case, next thing we know you'll be whining about someone being intolerant and calling you 'satan'. SMH. Hypocrite

Really, it's not cool. At all.....

If you don't understand any of this;

google: re·tard
/riˈtärd/
Verb
Delay or hold back in terms of progress, development, or accomplishment.
Noun
offensive. A mentally handicapped person (often used as a general term of abuse).

https://www.google.com.ng/search?q=retard+definition&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&gws_rd=cr&ei=IKgvUq3bBeOS7Qa1k4DQAg

And my powah levels are over 9000, but not the way you think

Logicboy03: por.n of any kind is not allowed on NL....

Thanks for the strawman accusation, where did I say that there was anything wrong with homos? HMM?

Wait....whats that I hear? BUTTHURT!!!

Your problem isn't that you perceive it as por.n, it's that you perceive it as homo. Else, I fail to see why you mention 'homo', or is it important?

Don't be a bigot, it's not cool. You don't like something does not mean you should discriminate against it. That's silly

Logicboy03: Feel free bro.

Yes, it is a simple pic of a man faceplanting and speaking to another mans butt.....no homo there.



mtchhew

You seem to be seeing homo everywhere.... You know what they say about closeted peeps

And if it were homo, exactly what is wrong with that? You sound rather like a bigot

Logicboy03: Guy....take your gay porn away from here

Why? And why do you think it's porn? It looks a simple pic to me

What a lewd mind. Does your heart race when looking at that pic? Perhaps you're excited?

italo: How am I dribbling? By saying that some people think you and wiegraf illogical the same way you think them illogical?

Is that a lie?

Do show who denies this

Moving on to strawman #9348549304954434958750320345845702349548302495409024566

wiegraf: And the answer must be 4, else they'd be objectively wrong, see?

italo: They'd say same to you: "the answer must be 4, else you're objectively wrong."

Erm, exactly. In case you missed it, we'd both say the same thing, because it's objectively true...

Opinions and what not; subjective. Logic of this sort? Obviously NO

My logic is math; objectively true. If not, show which axioms are subjective, conjecture, etc. Then you have a case, else, among other things, you're wrong, and objectively so... 2+2 cannot be 6, regardless of opinion

Hero10001: OLODO "copy and paste poster"!!!

Waiting for German Scientists to discover GOD before you'l believe?!! Chai see Gobe.

Go back to Google and fetch some more..

You'll need a million years on your copy-paste techniques to rebutt Donroxy.

Your no match for the Don!

GOD is not in the Mars! Just look around you, God is everywhere!!

Swallow your pride and accept GOD Now! cos tomorrorw may be too late.

GOD bless you!.

You should try poetry. I'm serious, you capture foo.lishness so expertly. Mars. Copy and paste direct quotes. German scientists. After reading about people so dumb they do not realize it, you post this... in a bid to sound intelligent......

Also, you basterd, you ruined my day. I wanted to take a nap to refresh, then I read this beauty, ended up laughing for about 20 mins instead. Destabilized my schedule...

GOD bless you!