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1. Be intentional.
Learn how to be intentional in your relationships, and think: How can I help this conversation to go deeper to a more spiritual conversation?

2. Ask questions.
Here are some suggestions: What gets you through hard times? Do you ever pray? What are your hopes for the future? What's your idea of success?

3. Pray.
Not just before, but also ask for God's help while you are with them. But here's a tip – don't say it out loud.

4. Preach the gospel.
Hearing the gospel for the first time is the best apologetic. Lots of people reject the gospel, but that's because they've never heard it in the first place. They've never heard a message about God that could be described as good and full of hope; they've just heard about rules, morality, and condemnation. They have never heard that Jesus came to the world to rescue, not to condemn.

5. Know your audience.
Many people will have no Christian background at all. This means that the way we answer questions in church or a Bible study may be very different than with people who have never stepped inside a place of worship. Unchurched people don't have the same presuppositions that we have – they don't assume that the Bible has any authority, for example. We can't just quote Bible verses.

6. If you don't know the answer, don't make it up.
Why not just tell the gospel, without thinking about apologetics? If only it were that simple. If we were not in a world full of lies and distortions, it might be possible. But when you're asked a question and you don't know answer, it's good to say, "That's a good question, I don't know the answer, I'm going to go and think and read, and chat about it." The more you go away to find the answers, the more you will grow.

7. Keep it relevant.
When Paul spoke to the Gentiles in Acts 17, he didn't use scripture. To Athenians, he quoted their own poets. Don't be afraid to use modern films, literature and philosophy in your responses or as illustrations.

8. Think deeply.
When we face tough questions, there are two helpful things to ask ourselves. First, why would someone ask this? Second, what question could I ask in response? You might miss the nuanced and personal angle of a question. For a lot of people, even asking a question can be a big emotional step. So we should affirm that question.

9. Ask more questions.
It's not just about giving good answers. It's also about asking questions about other people's answers. Here are some examples:

What do you know about Christ?
Do you think all religions are the same?
It sounds like you value inclusiveness, but aren't you excluding my belief?
Is it possible to remove all evil and suffering, without violating human freedom?
It sounds like you think this Christian teaching is immoral, so what do you think makes something moral?
How do we know anything is true?
If I were to answer that question to your satisfaction, would you give your life to Christ right now? If not, what's the real issue?

10. Don't try to argue people into the Kingdom.
There is a difference between knowing God and showing God. Other people can't know our own personal experience; we have to be able to appeal to reasons and arguments and evidence that is accessible. The goal is not to win arguments, it is to win people. It is also about persuasion of the gospel's reality – not manipulation, which attempts to violate rational freedom and will.


Source;http://www.christiantoday.com/article/10.tips.for.talking.about.jesus/60015.htm

There's much more meaning in life once you know your purpose.

Consider a hammer. It's designed to hit nails. That's what it was created to do. Now imagine that the hammer never gets used. It just sits in the toolbox. The hammer doesn't care.

But now imagine that same hammer with a soul, a self-consciousness. Days and days go by with him remaining in the toolbox. He feels funny inside, but he's not sure exactly why. Something is missing, but he doesn't know what it is.

Then one day someone pulls him out of the toolbox and uses him to break some branches for the fireplace. The hammer is exhilarated. Being held, being wielded, hitting the branches -- the hammer loves it. At the end of the day, though, he is still unfulfilled. Hitting the branches was fun, but it wasn't enough. Something is still missing.

In the days that follow, he's used often. He reshapes a hubcap, blasts through some sheet rock, knocks a table leg back into place. Still, he's left unfulfilled. So he longs for more action. He wants to be used as much as possible to knock things around, to break things, to blast things, to dent things. He figures that he just hasn't had enough of these events to satisfy him. More of the same, he believes, is the solution to his lack of fulfillment.

Then one day someone uses him on a nail. Suddenly, the lights come on in his hammer soul. He now understands what he was truly designed for. He was meant to hit nails. All the other things he hit pale in comparison. Now he knows what his hammer soul was searching for all along.

We are created in God's image for relationship with him. Being in that relationship is the only thing that will ultimately satisfy our souls. Until we come to know God, we've had many wonderful experiences, but we haven't hit a nail. We've been used for some noble purposes, but not the one we were ultimately designed for, not the one through which we will find the most fulfillment. Augustine summarized it this way: "You [God] have made us for yourself and our hearts are restless until they find their rest in Thee."

A relationship with God is the only thing that will quench our soul's longing. Jesus Christ said, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty." Until we come to know God, we are hungry and thirsty in life. We try to "eat" and "drink" all kinds of things to satisfy our hunger and thirst, but yet they remain.

We are like the hammer. We don't realize what will end the emptiness, the lack of fulfillment, in our lives. Even in the midst of a Nazi prison camp, Corri Ten Boom found God to be wholly satisfying: "The foundation of our happiness was that we knew ourselves hidden with Christ in God. We could have faith in God's love...our Rock who is stronger than the deepest darkness."

Usually when we keep God out, we try to find fulfillment in something other than God, but we can never get enough of that thing. We keep "eating" or "drinking" more and more, erroneously thinking that 'more' is the answer to the problem, yet we are never ultimately satisfied.

Our greatest desire is to know God, to have a relationship with God. Why? Because that's how we've been designed. Have you hit a nail yet?



Cc; lalasticlala

On a cold, dark night, there's nothing better than a blazing fire in the fireplace. It's safe, warm, relaxing and romantic. Now take that same fire out of the fireplace and drop it in the middle of the living room. Suddenly it becomes destructive. Sex is like that fire. As long as it's expressed in the protective commitment of a marriage relationship, it's wonderful, warm and romantic. But porn takes sex outside that context.

What Fuels Porn Addiction
One of the most vital parts of mental environment is a healthy idea of who we are sexually. If these ideas are polluted, a critical part of who we are becomes twisted. The porn culture tells you that sex, love and intimacy are all the same thing. In porn, people have sex with total strangers -- people they just met. All that matters is my satisfaction. It doesn't matter whose body I'm using, as long as I get it. Porn gets you to think that sex is something you can have anytime, anywhere, with anyone, with no consequences.

The problem with porn's shallow perspective is that relationships are not built on sex, but on commitment, caring and mutual trust. In that context, like fire in the fireplace, sex is wonderful. Being with someone who loves and accepts you, someone who is committed to you for your whole lives together, someone you can give yourself completely to, that is what makes sex really great.

To Find Freedom from Porn Addiction: Recognize the Lies
You can't learn the truth about sex from pornography. It doesn't deal in truth. Pornography is not made to educate, but to sell. It's a big business that makes a lot of money and doesn't care how. They'll show you whatever they think will make you come back and buy more. So, pornography will tell whatever lies attract and hold the audience. Porn thrives on lies -- lies about sex, women, marriage and a lot of other things. Let's look at some of those lies and see just how badly they can mess up your life and attitudes.

Lie #1 - Women are less than human
The women in Playboy magazine are called "bunnies," making them cute little animals or "playmates," making them a toy. Penthouse magazine calls them "pets." Porn often refers to women as animals, playthings, or body parts. Some pornography shows only the body or the genitals and doesn't show the face at all. The idea that women are real human beings with thoughts and emotions is played down.

Lie #2 - Women are a "sport"
Some sports magazines have a "swimsuit" issue. This suggests that women are just some kind of sport. Porn views sex as a game and in a game, you have to "win," "conquer," or "score." Men who buy into this view like to talk about "scoring" with women. They start judging their manhood by how many "conquests" they can make. Each woman I "score" with is another trophy on my shelf, another "notch" in my belt to validate my masculinity.

Lie #3 - Women are property
We've all seen the pictures of the slick car with the sexy girl draped over it. The unspoken message, "Buy one, and you get them both." Hard-core porn carries this even further. It displays women like merchandise in a catalog, exposing them as openly as possible for the customer to look at. It's not surprising that many young men think that if they have spent some money taking a girl out, they have a right to have sex with her. Porn tells us that women can be bought.

Lie #4 - A woman's value depends on the attractiveness of her body
Less attractive women are ridiculed in porn. They are called dogs, whales, pigs or worse, simply because they don't fit into porn's criteria of the "perfect" woman. Porn doesn't care about a woman's mind or personality, only her body.

Lie #5 - Women like rape
"When she says no, she means yes" is a typical porn scenario. Women are shown being raped, fighting and kicking at first, and then starting to like it. Porn teaches men to enjoying hurting and abusing women for entertainment.

Lie #6 - Women should be degraded
Porn is often full of hate speech against women. Women are shown being tortured and humiliated in hundreds of sick ways and begging for more. Does this kind of treatment show any respect for women? Any love? Or is it hatred and contempt that porn is promoting toward women?

Lie #7 - Little kids should have sex
One of the biggest sellers in pornography is imitation "child" porn. The women are "made-up" to look like little girls by wearing pony tails, little girl shoes, holding a teddy bear. The message of the pictures and cartoons is that adults having sex with kids is normal. This sets the porn user up to see children in a sexual way.

Lie #8 - Illegal sex is fun
Porn often has illegal or dangerous elements thrown in to make sex more "interesting." It suggests that you can't enjoy sex if it isn't weird, illegal or dangerous.

Lie #9 - Prostitution is glamorous
Porn paints an exciting picture of prostitution. In reality, many of the women portrayed in pornographic material are runaway girls trapped in a life of slavery. Many having been sexually abused. Some of them are infected with incurable sexually transmitted diseases that are highly contagious and often die very young. Many take drugs just to cope.


Bottom Line of Porn Addiction
Pornography makes a profit from the ruined lives of young women and entraps men who will spend lots of time AND money succumbing to their product.

We might think that the things we see and hear don't affect us. Yet we all admit that good music, good movies and good books add a lot to our lives. They can relax us, educate us, move us or inspire us. Just as uplifting media can benefit us, pornographic images can negatively affect us.

Images are not always neutral. They can persuade us. Businesses know that if they can get a persuasive image of their product in front of you during a highly emotional moment, it will sink into your subconscious mind. The advertising scientists are so good at what they do, they can predict just how much more of their product you will buy if you see their ad. Sometimes, viewers don't even see the name of the product. Reese's Pieces paid a huge price just to have their candy shown for a few seconds in the movie "ET," and sales of Reese's Pieces skyrocketed. Why? Because the emotions connected with watching that small boy reaching out to the alien were transferred to the visual image of the candy. If a split second view of a product -- even when it's not the center of attention -- can affect people's behavior, imagine the effect of a movie that keeps your attention glued to the screen for an hour and a half with sexually explicit images.

What are the effects of pornography?
What kinds of ideas is porn putting into our heads? If the wrong things keep getting dumped in, your mental environment can get so polluted that your life is going to have problems. One of the most vital parts of mental environment is a healthy idea of who we are sexually. If these ideas are polluted, a critical part of who we are becomes twisted.

Porn Addiction: The Pull of Pornography
Not everyone who sees porn will become addicted. Some will just come away with toxic ideas about men, women, sex, marriage, and children. However, some will have some kind of emotional opening that allows the addiction to really grab hold. The porn companies don't mind at all if you become completely addicted to their product. It's great for business. Dr. Victor Cline has divided the progress of addiction into several stages; addiction, escalation, desensitization, and acting out. For porn addicts, I've found that there is another stage that comes first -- early exposure. Let's look at these stages:

EARLY EXPOSURE
Most who get addicted to porn start early. They see porn when they are very young and it gets its foot in the door.

PORN ADDICTION
You keep coming back to porn. It becomes a regular part of your life. You're hooked and can't quit.

ESCALATION
You start to look for more graphic pornography. You start using porn that disgusted you earlier. Now, it excites you.

DESENSITIZATION
You start to become numb to the images you see. Even the most graphic porn doesn't excite you any more. You become desperate to feel the same thrill again, but you can't find it.

ACTING OUT SEXUALLY
This is the point where men make a crucial jump and start acting out the images they have seen. Some move from the paper and plastic images of porn into the real world, with real people, in destructive ways.

Porn Addiction: Am I Addicted?
If you see any of these patterns in your life, you need to put the brakes on right now. Is porn becoming more and more in control of your life? Do you have trouble putting it down? Do you keep going back for more?

Porn Addiction: What Can I Do?
The first thing you've got to do is admit that you struggle with pornography. Believe me, you are not strange or unusual if you do. Millions of men and women are at various stages in the struggle with porn. It's really not surprising. The porn industry has spent billions of dollars trying to snare you. Is it really shocking that they have succeeded? For some of you there may also be issues in your past, such as abuse or sexual exposure, that makes porn addiction even harder to shake. There is only so much you can do in fighting addiction without help.

You need someone to help you break this addiction. Overcoming the secrecy is absolutely vital. You probably can't escape addiction without it. That doesn't mean everyone has to know you're struggling. Pick someone you can trust who counsels people who are having problems with addiction -- a pastor, youth group leader or counselor. Someone you can completely trust, feel safe with and has experience in the area of addiction isn't going to be surprised.

Is There Any Freedom from Porn Addiction?
Pornography entraps you with lies. In contrast, God can lead us into truth. Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." Those who heard Jesus say this were offended and countered, "We have never been slaves of anyone, how can you say that we shall be set free?" And Jesus explained that people are enslaved to sin, but that He can set you free.

Sin not only enslaves us, but it distances us from God. And no one is perfect. No one is righteous in God's eyes. Instead we're told that "We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way." We all deserve God's judgment and punishment. Yet God, who is holy and loving, provided a solution for our sin, so that we would not have to be justly condemned. He personally took the punishment for our sin on Himself. Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was tortured and died on the cross for our sin so that we could be forgiven. Three days later Jesus rose from the dead, just as He said He would. And He now offers you a relationship with Him. One of the most amazing statements in the Bible is this one, "If we confess our sin, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

The Most Important Relationship
In your search for intimacy and love, pornography is an empty substitute for real love. We have been created by God to have our intimacy needs met most deeply by God Himself. "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."6 In contrast to the darkness and destruction that pornography can bring to people's lives, Jesus said, "I came that they might have life, and have it more abundantly."7 God offers you his forgiveness through a relationship with Him. Do you want to ask Him to forgive you and come into your life? You can tell Him right now. If you need help putting this into words, here is prayer that might help:

"Lord Jesus, I am aware of my sin, and I know that you are also. I ask you to forgive me and cleanse me. Thank you for dying on the cross for my sins. I ask you to come into my life right now and begin to work in my life. Direct my life as you see fit. Thank you for your forgiveness and for coming into my life right now."



source; www.everystudent.com

Cc; lalasticlala

God bless you too op. We must apply the word of God liberally in the lives of our children.

People will do anything to campaign against christianity. First and foremost, that bible is Photoshopped to make it look as if it is there when in reality it isnt. Does this person look like someone that can even read even if healthy?
Ive gone to village outreaches and most of the stuffs we give out are food and clothes and i believe its the same for any other true christian organisation. Why do people keep spreading lies desperately?

Rimini:
Op, I remember when I was in your position. I even got to the point of asking whether there was even a God, then someone randomly pointed out this bible verse jer29:13- "This is what the Lord says: "if you look for me in earnest, if you want me with all your heart, you will find me"
I took this to heart and told God straight to His face that "He was confusing me" a few months went and then I saw this verse John8:32- "You will know the truth and it will set you free"

The truth here is that no matter how much you ask others, people will come with this or that, show you the benefits and downsides of theirs and other's religion and confusion will set in. Facts and figures maybe placed, logical reasoning will set in, but you will never find what you are looking for.

So, what do you do here?, You ask the creator Himself. (Do not be biased thinking I am a Christian advocating for my own religion.No, this is a "you and God moment".)

Believe me, if you are honest He will answer.

Thanks Sir, The Op wasnt actually referring to me and it pretty explanatory. Its only human to doubt-I also had my fair share of doubt. I remember asking myself certain questions such as; What if christianity is wrong, what if God does not exist(even when i was convinced of a supernatural realm), why cant God just forgive everyone, Why do christians suffer, Does God really answer prayers and other related questions. This prompted me to search deeper for the truth in truth, and I want to bless God for my life today.

Ages 13-24 is an age range in which people are extremely vulnerable to demonic infiltration, mainly because of the craze for freedom, trends and enticing societal secularism and as such, the unsuspecting victims are hijacked by the devil through the appealing vanities and pleasures of the world. It takes Christ for some of them to eventually retrace their steps. Some will be lost forever.

I wont even advise anyone to ask such questions here. This section is just a plot/camouflage, its actually pro-atheist carefully planned to prey on the minds of weak christians. The voices of the atheists will never be heard if there was a christian section, its why there is no christian section. Some of us come here once in a while mainly because of weak and unsuspecting minds, its the reason for the Op.
Not to worry, we know the reason for the attack against christianity .

As for me, I will trust and serve God till this flesh goes back to dust.
Lets continue to serve God Rimini, He is the Way, the Truth and the Life.


I have a song for you; Owl city-My everything.
you can google and download it.

Bless you.

dalaman:
Living in a fallen world you say. These are just simple explanations the founders of your religion sought out to complex events, phenomena and occurrence they say happening around them, things they know nothing about. It's much easier to state that small pox or leprosy are punishments from the Gods with their limited knowledge and create stories round them, than to know that they are caused by microscopic living cells that are feeding on their own body cells and affecting them negatively which results in diseases such as small pox and leprosy, things they could not see and didn't even know existed.

If you know anything about how the continents formed and how the operate you will know that earthquakes have nothing to do with any fallen world, there have been earth quakes and volcanoes long before humans existed, in fact they are what shaped our continents and landscape as a whole. With or without humans there will be mindless micro organisms doing their things, feeding off each other and struggling to survive. Storms will always form with out without humans, land will erode, asteroid will strike, all natural disasters will continue with or without humans. An asteroid can fall into the earth and end all human life, but earthquakes will still continue to occur over time.

So you automatically equated fallen world to fallen man when i clearly didnt state such and so quoted this from that link;

"Young earth creationists say that that fall of Adam and Eve resulted in corruption of the physical creation, and that all the bad things are the result of sin. We reject this explanation,"


You need a real overhauling if you will understand anything atall about christianity, and to think you once claimed to be a former christian.
smh.

dalaman:
Evil mostly comes as a result of the struggle and competition to survive. There is natural evil and human evil. Even the human evil depends on many factors. You just acknowledge that life is unfair, that alone shows that there is no central God figure controlling anything anywhere as you guys try to proclaim.

I acknowledge that life is unfair and to you, that singularly proves there is no God?
Seriously?
Im really busy, we will probably argue again later.

menesheh:
With the above highlighted, i don't think we have much to discuss on this topic. You continue misinterpreting and misrepresent what atheism is all about. And i have corrected you severally on that.

You have continuously shown what atheism is all about, need i ask more?
You and other atheists are only trying to redefine atheism as a flexible standpoint, it is clearly fixed and no amount of lies will change that.
Mention just 1 organisation built on atheism that has been of help to science or the world in general.

menesheh:
How many times will i tell that you have a fundamentalist idea of secularism and disbelief (atheism).

Even in your holy book, there is no difference between morals before the advent of the purported law giver, to the living standards and morals of the people afterwards. laying emphasis from the bible; lethal harms to human deteriorates via those laws assumed issued by a deity that commanded the killing of fellow human outside of their immediate altruistic enclave, killing of gay, killing of witches and a bunch of other horrid laws.

Secularism (atheism) bleeds compliance to objective laws, empathy, taking responsibility for errors and crime, name them.
we have breathing Examples of secular countries and religious ones, compare and contrast how they fare on morality. Of which you are aware secularism achieved greater compliance to objective laws, even the objective laws in your bible than its religious counterparts.

You will side with anything to remain relevant, secularism is not atheism.
Secularism simply does not involves God in its government and parts of society.
Atheism is a sure standpoint that God does not exist.
Many christians are heads of secularist societies and countries. Many christians live in secularist countries and secularism is tolerant to human rights
I was the vice president of my dept as an undergraduate and it was needless to bring Christianity into my speeches or gatherings. A good way i could preach the gospel was through my attitude and lifestyle. Does this mean im a secularist?.

Either you like it or not, you and your beliefs are seriously irrelevant and thats why you cling to naturalism, secularism, science and even religion. Many theists and deists are major stakeholders in secularist governments, it dosent make them alesser christian.
Secularism is tolerant, atheism governance is so intolerant and insensitive to human rights and cant even be compared to islams intolerance. North korea and china are good examples.

If atheism spread, it would become a religion as intolerable as the ancient ones. --Gustave le Bon

In the holy book, followers of Christ are called christians and are bound by no earthly law or government and i think this is the greatest threat to the small box in which atheists have put themselves.

cloudgoddess:
when the hell has that ever occured other than in your dreams

It occured in your lab.
Scientist.

KingEbukasBlog:
... walahi na true... even her atheist brother dalaman couldn't call her to order . I guess he was enjoying her show of shallowness

Very shallow girl, she chooses to believe evolution and not the origination of life itself.

She probably thinks of herself as a certified scientist .

dalaman:
Two questions. What are earthquakes and hurricanes perfectly designed for? What about the asteroid belt in our solar system and and deadly mutations that causes deformity, what were they perfectly designed for?

You mean why do we live in a fallen world full of suffering and disaster?

These are already answered questions and i didnt ignore them. I only keep wondering why you keep laying emphasies on mishaps and disasters when the bible explicitly describes earth as fallen.
Mutations, disasters are products of a fallen world and its tiring giving you the same answers over and over again.
Why not school us on why you think life is unfair.

KingEbukasBlog:
You spew BS with confidence . Please can you state articles , credible sources from which you got the above statement .

It only shows how desperate she is to convince me and make herself feel better.

Maybe She meant 99% of sites she visits.
lol

Kay17:
@winner01

The meaning of evil you intended in this quote is what matters not my postmodernist idea of evil. Your idea of evil seems fixed and stable and not as flexible as mine. To use my flexible definition of evil would counterproductive in this quote.

Do you get me?

You ask if God does evil, and then i ask you a simple question of what you mean by evil with the guess that you dont believe in biblical terms.

Our world itself does not mean the same to atheist and christians. Atheists believe the world is a random and meaningless coincidence. How on earth do you think i share that same belief.
The same goes for everything else.

Give your defination of evil and then we can analyse together if you make sense or not.

@bolded, exactly what im saying. But please dont use the word flexible, a better word will be "unstable", just like the wind.

Look, You initiated a question, you wanna continue this convo, you got to explain your question clearly.

menesheh:
most christians are good by default. those good deeds done in the name of Christianity comes with a price, do good for the sake of good not for a reward or with the intention to convert one to your ideology.

By the way, tell me any of those good deeds that can be achieve through the said tag name that can't be achieve through secular means.

Somehow, someway, you still have failed to realise that what you all do here day and night is to convert people to your ideologies.
The major message we are enjoined to preach is love. And that love encompasses assisting people to prosper, be in good health and ultimately salvation.

@bolded, what is good?
And how can we determine good considering the fact that you're just an higher animal.
Why aren't you referring to "good" as an indoctrination, passed on from ancient men whose level of sanity couldnt be verified .
Is there a universal standard to verify what you mean by good?, or are you living on your own "indoctrination" of good- probably the good of christianity.
Why dont you people ever want to probe the origination of anything else?

Atheism dosent care about humanity, you people for example keep confirming that truth.
Islam kills people everyday, I dont see any of you on islams page trying to prevent them from becoming future terrorists.
The day you raise an organisation in the name of atheism that seeks to tackle poverty, malnutrition, hope to the sick, prison inmates etc and not just an evangelical message of hate towards the christian God. Then maybe ill think about what you're saying. But for now, you all are the selfish, and confident hypocrites.

Kay17:
Of what use would my definition have if it doesn't align with yours

Just define what you mean by evil na.
E hard?

cloudgoddess:
By "we" I was referring to everyone who does not believe in dieties, everyone who does not subscribe to 2,000 year old myths, everyone who identifies as non-religious.
.

Lol, much better. For some reason you think you are much saner than the non-religious right?
You feel you have better answers to life than them right?

cloudgoddess:
No one claimed atheism was science, stop putting words and assumptions in peoples mouths. Atheism is a LACK OF BELIEF IN GODS BASED ON LACK OF SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE. you are atheist to shinto gods aren't you? you are atheist to zeus and the loch ness monster aren't you? why don't you believe in those things? tell me why you aren't praying to shinto gods right now?.

On the contrary, you are. Seeing the way you all wrap yourselves around science to remain relevant.
Its the common bull you guys spew here that amazes me. You bring up the issue of science at any slight argument as if y'all are better scientists than those who laid the foundations for modern science.

@bolded; tell that to your fellow google scientists;
Dosent it seem odd that your own definition of atheism differ from its dictionary meaning.
The bolded is just an addidion not to make yourself look stup!d, that addition exists in no dictionary.
Y'all do not believe and seem so sure He dosent exist, if that isnt closemindedness, then i wonder what is.
Im not an atheist to any of the gods you mentioned, neither is any true christian, dont make yourself feel better.
I do not lack a belief in them, they obviously exist.

cloudgoddess:
what if i believed a unicorn larger than any unicorn ever imagined created the universe by a flick of its horn? would you respect me more then, since i'd be more "open to beliefs in super intelligent beings"? so unreal that you consider it a positive character trait to believe in things based on faulty/or complete lack of evidence. unreal.

You dont believe it and thats why you dont talk about it.
Being open minded is not being stup!d as you have painted it, believing in an uncaused universe surely is gross stupidity.

And please, stop trying to mordernize the definition of atheism to look reasonable, atheism is clearly devoid of reason, its a clear position on the existence of God.

Science is not a fixed position and opens up to the possibility that a higher intelligence was involved in the creation of this universe.

cloudgoddess:
OF COURSE I WOULD. but YOU would not. because there is already information proving that the biblical stories are false, yet you still cling to them. you are the one determined to believe in something, not me. i came to accept evolution because it MADE SENSE. not because it "felt good" and not because my pastor or parents preached it to me.

You mind giving us those info proving the bible false.
Your pastor or parents preached crap to you and as smart as you think you are, you couldnt dig out the truth, i wonder the kind of ideas they put in your head.

Life appeared from thin air and began to evolve and it makes sense. Great logic.

Shows how reasonably effective you are when it comes to probing claims. You only felt to spare this one the trouble of shaking its foundations.

cloudgoddess:
It's been over 150 years since darwin's time and not a single inconsistency has been found to disprove evolution. every bit of biological evidence, every species we see today, every bacterial mutation we observe in the lab, CONFIRMS that evolution is a real thing that is happening all the time and that has been happening since life began on earth. If a scientist found evidence that disproved it, he would be a millionaire, and scientists would have NO CHOICE but to change their minds.

Not a single inconsistency? , This is what you get when you close your mind to possibilities.
Cell complexity, creation of information, biological diversity, the human conscience amongst others are part of the inconsistencies that rocks the world of darwinism.
Either you are blind to its inconsistencies or you select your online sites to only read what you wanna read.
Why not lets bring your whole argument to dust. what did life itself evolve from, or do you pick what you choose to believe from the pheripheral.
And please stop forming darwin with such arrogant infinite knowledge, Have you even ever been to a lab?

To sustain the belief that there is no God, atheism has to demonstrate infinite knowledge, which is tantamount to saying, "I have infinite knowledge that there is no being in existence with infinite knowledge" --Ravi Zacharias

cloudgoddess:
This doesn't make any damn sense. How is reading an article or research paper different from listening to a lecture? And are you suggesting that there aren't lectures from the same sources I listed (harvard, cambridge, & princeton professors) teaching evolution? What the hell?

Im suggesting that those are the same people who passed lies as facts in the past century.
There is a huge difference between formal and informal education.
You could use your son as a sample, he could make a great scientist from google, maybe then you'll understand what i mean.

Or maybe you thought those scientists from the links you posted, got their degrees from google.


All these google students sef.

cloudgoddess:
What are you talking about and why are you trying to derail the conversation again?

Im not derailing anything gal. This is the first and big question any sane or bright mind would ask.
Where did life come from to start evolving.

Tell us what the science community has to say since you seem to be a superficial online affiliate.
Lets see how much sense you can make even with google at your service.

cloudgoddess:
The long and short of your epistle is "Why are people suffering".
No it is not. Stop trying to dodge my question. My question is why is god picking favorites. Why arent all of his followers "blessed". By the way, god does promise blessings to his followers so either you're cherrypicking the bible or you're misinformed (i assume its the former).
Jeremiah 29:11
For I know the plans I have for you,” says the Lord. “They are plans for good and not for disaster, to give you a future and a hope.

Proverbs 1:33
But all who listen to me will live in peace,
untroubled by fear of harm.”

Philippians 4:19
19 And my God will meet all your needs according to his glorious riches in Christ Jesus.

Just a few among many such verses.

why are some people more blessed than others.
i am falling down dead because i haven't had a morsel of food in many months while pastor joseph just bought a ferrari because his gullible congregants (i mean "god" has blessed him with that luxury. to say pastor is just "more blessed" than me is a huge understatement.

The bottomline is still why are some people luckier than others and Why are people suffering. And i still have the same answer; this world is an unfair world and a battle ground, and with God we will conquer and help other men.
And what exactly did you think the bible referred to as blessings?

Now you are even quoting a text from a book you dont believe in. You sound muddled up. You cant explain how your own life came to be even with google's help, how sure am i that you can understand any other thing either ?


The bible is meant to be studied carefully. All those taunts above dont get people like me, im far beyond that, whenever you wish to understand how God's word correlate with life, whenever you open your mind to answers, then ill further engage you in scriptures.

Once again, ive given my account, give your own supposedly more reasonble account on lifes fairness and lets see if you even understand the slightest about the life you're living.

cloudgoddess:
when the hell has that ever occured other than in your dreams

You wanna be ascientist, go be one. Maybe then you have the fundamental will to refute a meaningles universe.

cloudgoddess:
How is lack of belief in god exploitative towards its members? We're not the ones asking for a chunk of peoples' salary every week so we can buy ferrari.

Who are you referring to @bolded, by chance i hope its not scentists. There is no need to side with science in a bid to gain relevance, atheism is not science.

Science is open to possibilities,
Atheism has closed your mind to the possibility that a super intelligent Being created this wonderful universe.

cloudgoddess:
To be accepted by the scientific community, a theory (in the scientific sense of the word) must be strongly supported by many different lines of evidence.

What if (and surely) stronger evidences are produced just as was produced in the past to refute the infinite universe claim initially accepted by the science community?
Would you then admit that science lied?

Dont show me pages, get formal education or even webinars or online lectures and open your mind to reality.

You mind telling us what the science community has concluded on, regarding the existence of life itself?

Kay17:
But in your moral Universe, does God commit evil?

What is the meaning of moral universe?
You still havent defined what you mean by evil.

Kay17:
You mean the same Science that gets things wrong, confirms biblical claims?!

Science get things wrong and corrects itself to allign with the scriptures.
You are only trying to create a non existent gulf between science and christianity. Scientific facts, I mean facts not guesses cannot and will never disprove the word of God.

cloudgoddess:
wow. you still did not answer me. i am not asking you why there is pain in the world.

i am simply asking you this: WHY IS GOD BLESSING SOME PEOPLE AND NOT OTHERS. why are some people PROSPERING and other innocent people PERISHING even though they too are praying. WHY IS GOD ONLY CHOOSING TO BLESS SOME PEOPLE. HOW DOES HE CHOOSE WHO HE WANTS TO "BLESS" AND WHO HE WANTS TO LEAVE HANGING.

I don't think you're going to answer me directly no matter how many times I type it.

You need to open your mind. The long and short of your epistle is "Why are people suffering". Thats what you mean by why are some people more blessed than others.
Im just shortening your journey.

My answer for the umpteenth time; This is life, and its not fair neither did God promise us it would be.

Jesus stated it clearly: " In this world you will pass through suffering, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world"

And that was and is still my answer;God never promised a world free of suffering, He only promised to walk with us through thick and thin if we trust in Him.


So do you have a better explanation of lifes unfairness?