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Kay17:
You mean the same Science that gets things wrong, confirms biblical claims?!

Science get things wrong and corrects itself to allign with the scriptures.
You are only trying to create a non existent gulf between science and christianity. Scientific facts, I mean facts not guesses cannot and will never disprove the word of God.

Kay17:
I define Evil just in the sense you used it. In the sense you meant.

Naah, the bible defines evil in a sense different from an atheist.
Evil is a construct of a society to an atheist.

cloudgoddess:
sigh. you are just making up crap. 99% of scientists worldwide have reached a concensus on evolution. WORLD WIDE. search "evolution" on pubmed and you will see hundreds of thousands of independent studies from chinese, german, american, japanese scientists, supporting evolution. but you won't search it up because you are so convinced in believe the false world you have created for yourself. okay, keep doing that. but stop spouting lies, its so frustrating, and an insult to the people around the world who study this stuff every day.

and no we do not trust everything on the internet. there is such a thing as reputable sources. pubmed, websites from reknowned universities like harvard and princeton, national geographic, etc - these are reputable sources that all contain information in full support of evolution. or do you think they are all liars?

you dont have to be a professional scientist to understand evolution (or any topic for that matter) and for you to assume that shows how childish your way of thinking is. anyone can go to a library or look at trustworthy online sources for information, and learn things. maybe you should try it some time.

In the 19th-20th century, all available evidence pointed to the facts of an "infinte universe" with no begining. Majority of the world renowned scientists reached this consensus and passed it on as facts, articles were written and approved.
We know better today.
You need to understand what a theory is before you start saying some people reached a concensus.
More mind blowing discoveries will rubbish the discoveries of today in the nearest future no matter todays agreement.

Its why Sir Ambrose flemming said ; All scientific findings seem to be made only for the purpose of confirming more and more the truth contained in the scriptires.

Why not keep your minds open, atheist

I can decide to compound your woes by asking you how life itself began before it evolved, then you can go to your sites and copy abiogenesis for me and then we can have a good laugh.

The more you look, the less you see. Its our world. A perfectly designed world, not just the product of a completely random chaotic explosion magically rearranging things into order like the atheist believes.

Kay17:
Can you state without reservations that God is the immediate cause of our Universe? And do you consider the possibility that a string causes and effects connect themselves and the Universe to God?

God is the cause of our Universe.

menesheh:
False pretence. God is good to me but not to others demonstrably makes one insensitive to others plight.

It is asinine.

"God is good to me" is different from "God is good to me but not to others.

Christians fill hospitals, giving hope to the hopeless on death beds, prison yards, motherless homes, remand homes, charitable foundations.

I see how insensitive christians are to others plights
Happy new year.

Kay17:
Does God commit evil?

I need to understand what you mean by evil.

cloudgoddess:
Wow. I don't know what scientific findings you've been looking at. Creation.org? Jesusisreal.net?

Lol, unlike most people here, im just starting my Phd.
I dont get facts from google or the internet.
Its what you people do and then you call yourselves scientists overnight.
A guy who hasnt even gained admission to uni. was calling himself a scientist simply because he copies articles from science sites and post them on nairaland science section

You were quick to let me know the possible places i can get facts, just like you usually do. As a matter of fact google will give you anything you seek..
You may try to type " obama is satan" and see what im saying.


kingebukasblog, see what ive been telling you.
Most of these people are internet bred students and dont even have the slightest formal education on science or philosophy

cloudgoddess:
That wasn't my point at all actually. You are still dodging my question.

Why isn't god blessing the children who need food and water, but he is blessing the people on nairaland who claim to be blessed, like OP here? How does he decide who to bless and why aren't the people who seem to need it most getting blessed? What would the children who are starving have to do to get blessed too?

You are refusing to see my answer.

"God never promised a world free of suffering, He only promised to walk with us through thick and thin if we trust in Him."

God never promised a world free of hunger, poverty, pain or anything. The children and other people alike are victims of a fallen world. Look, you or anybody didnt choose to be created, but you can choose to live and have life or blame all you want.
I wonder why you dont blame life for existing since you believe there is no God.

As for people who are suffering, We can help them to prosper, be in good health and offer them soul prosperity. You can rise and help them rise.

Kay17:
You seem to suggest that since Science can not authoritatively state how Life came about, religious claims prevail in such gap/space.

You wish i made such suggestions.
The Bible is fixed, even throughout the years science thought it "disproved" it by asserting that the universe had no begining. It was still fixed, till science found out that there was a begining.

Scientific findings confirms the truth contained in the scriptures, the scriptures is not a fill for a gap.

cloudgoddess:
Way to try and distract from my point.

Why would god bless only some people (with jobs, cars, and whatever else you praise god for) and not those innocent children with simple food and water? Answer that question without making an excuse.

You made no reasonable point except to point that God does not exist simply because people suffer.

The answer remains, Man sinned and brought judgement upon himself. God never promised a world free of suffering after the fall of man, He only promised to walk with us through thick and thin if we trust in Him.

I believe you may find this useful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQmLVU_nvo8

dalaman:
The bible is not a scientific book so I wonder why some of you keep going down the scientific route claiming that some scientific findings can be traced to the bible. Science and religion are two very different fields, they have very little in common. Science doesn't know how life came from but as for human decent genetics has helped us a lot to trace the human tree and if we came down from only one man and one woman as the bible claims, genetic markers can help us trace it, so far it shows that humans did not come down from only one man and one woman. My family is good. The wife is doing well.

No one goes down the scientific route to prove anything.
Atheists cling to science and make it sound like its in contrast to religion christianity. Its why Christians in turn compare scientific findings with biblical claims.
Ordinarily, no one will even bring up science.

As for man, Life came from somewhere, science cant still fully prove where. Why not relax and lets see how it goes.
What dyu mean the wife?

dalaman:
The koran disproves itself just as the bible also disproves it self with its many false prophecies, false scientific claims, false historical narratives, alternate reality and other fictitious and mythical tales.

False prophecies such as?

dalaman:
The is false, will you guys stop regurgitation this myth? Where are the 21st centuries scientific findings that are recorded inside the bible? Where are they? Even the 1st page of the bible where it attempts to talk about how the universe was formed is filled with ignorance and very wrong statements, for example the bible states that the earth was in existence before the sun and stars. It then went to claim that all human came down fro one man and one woman. Please where is the 21st century scientific finding that supports this claim that all humans descended from only one man and woman. Where is the genetic corroboration to this biblical lie and myth? The scientific finding that shows the earth was in existence before the sun and stars can be found where?

I would have quit a long time ago if it was a myth. Im probably more skeptical than most of you.
Evev during the past centuries when science thought it got it right and the bible got it wrong, more findings have changed the position of science overtime to eventually confirm biblical accounts.
The Bible is not a science textbook and does not attempt to explain science to us, that job is meant for scientists, but based on their findings we can judge which religion is true.

So you cant possibly ask me to point out scientific findings in the bible.
You can only bring the findings and lets correlate.

As for man, Science has still not gotten fully where life or humans came from, maybe they'll get it in the next century. And trust me, It still wont be able to disprove the bible.
You did not answer my question, i asked how your family is, your wife.

frank317:
Which research proves that snakes and donkeys once supernaturally talked. Which research proves that Mohammed never splitted the moon. My friend go siddon.

Which scientific findings have disproved the Bible?
The koran disproves itself talkless of judging it with science
Once you understand that this God has the power to create man, then you will understand that he can do just anything.

frank317:
Do u accept that more people are going to hell than hevean? If you dont look around you. That proves the failure of your almighty's and all knowing's solution. His solution is not a success as usual. Just as he destroyed the earth with water to achieve nothing.

I accept. Its glaring for all to see. But it does not disproves God's love or solution. It only proves how stubborn human beings can be.
Even in our everyday lives, people prefer to learn the hard way than take to advises.
This solution is the only solution that makes sense to the lives and sufferings of mankind in a fallen world.
You can tap into it and begin to help other men.

Richirich713,
Only on nairaland will people who have never had any formal education on science claim to be scientists.

The other day while roaming the science section, i saw a guy wen never gain admission to uni. call himself a scientist simply cos he copies from science sites and paste on nairaland.

These are the same kids that come here to explain science to us, when you engage them you discover that they know next to nothing.

And they boldly claim to be scientists. . Smh

Im yet to see a real atheist scientist here, all of them seem to be google scientists.

frank317:
Well some people think Mohammed splitting the moon is a real life supernatural event as was written in the Quran, just as others believe talking snakes and virgin birth is a real life supernatural miracle as written in the bible.
Of course you have good reasons for not believing the splitting of the moon occurred, but I must believe ur Miracle of talking snakes, donkeys and virgin birth are real. You must be very wise.

Ive told you earlier, islam is self refuting. You can do your reasearch, I dont wanna say much about it.
The Bible is the only ancient book consistent with 21st century scientific findings.

frank317:
Talk to me when u wake up to the reality of the number of people going to hell.

Those people have a choice. You can make a difference. You can tap into that solution, know God and make Him known.

Go ye into the world and preach the gospel- Jesus Christ

You can warn a good number of those people and show them how to live and have life.

You can tap into the solution, get a weapon in your hands, conquer and begin to help other men.

frank317:
Of course there such thing as supernatural eg, Mohammed splitting the moon into two. Is this also what u mean by supernatural?
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Islam is self refuting.
If it has gone under half the attack launched at christianity, it would be extinct today.

frank317:
Freewill as given by your God is a total flop... Can't he see? It had even made nonsense of his "solution" to human problem. Or didn't your God foresee that freewill will make his solution flop? Thousands are going to hell despite his solution... That's a failure of the solution to me. So much of an all knowing, all loving and almighty creator.

The freewill is not a flop. You are alive, you still have a choice, you can still tap into that solution.

Good step. Now find God...

frank317:
Of course its supernatural, that's why it can only happen in the mythical book. Lol. You have just proven how credible the supernatural book is. What else is the to say. No wonder Jesus preached to 5000 people supernaturally... I am yet to see a pastor repeat that... Ohh, it only happens in a supernatural book.

So are you saying there is no such thing as supernatural?

frank317:
Lol... Freewill not to tap into your Gods solution. How is that a solution. Lol... God creates freewill and also the ability not to tap into his solution to human kind..

Freewill gives you the ability to choose life or death. Why not taste and see that God is good.

malvisguy212:
through Adam sin enter the world, the verse was NOT saying men inherit Adam sin.

Men inherited sin through Adam.

sylvalord:
Need i say more? You have shown the world how stup1d you are. Sayonara.

Your christian folks'. Don't forget that.

frank317:
Lol... The bible is not credible. Snakes dont talk.donkeys dont talk. God cannot gamble with Satan with human lives. Virgins dont give birth. If God had ever been on earth as human, it would a huge significance to the whole human existence not to just some Jewish or indoctrinated few. The creator cannot destroy the whole world with water to achieve nothing. So many nonsensical fairy tales in it. How then do u say its credible?

The Bible is credible and is the only "ancient" book that is very consistent with archeology http://www.christiananswers.net/archaeology/home.html

Once that is known, then we can start to evaluate the content of the scriptures. God the Creator is supernatural, existence itself is supernatural, and therefore all these above claims are supernatural.
God came to earth to redeem man and yes that is the most definite importance in the history of man, but im sorry frank, you wont be forced. That is the essence of freewill.

You call them fairy tales because they are supernatural. God is supernatural.

frank317:
Lol... People have always claimed to tap into the solution only to achieve nothing as usual. How do u even imagine? The creator of this world creates a solution and tapping into it becomes an issue, doesn't it sound like there is something wrong with this so called solution? Its man made idea,simple.

No one that truly taps into it achieves nothing, the problem is that we seek solace from other seemingly “comfortable” sources and try to blend it with God’s solution.
Christianity is the only human philosophy that helps make sense of the human sojourn.

Its not an issue to tap into this solution, once again, that’s where the issue of freewill comes in.
You are free to do whatever you like, its why you weren’t created a robot.

Succeeding in life also seems like an issue, but when you take a stand to make it, you surely will.

^^True

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tartar9:
you are just proving xtianity wrong

okay

sylvalord:
, my phone changes really to realy because it was saved that way.

Your phone let you down , Turns out you ain't half as smart as your phone.
Curse all you want kid, those tactics are meant to get kids like you.
I think people can decide who's hurting and who was raised with negativity.

Brighten up kid, the world's much more bigger than your home.

sylvalord:
sorry did i hit a nerve? You must be seriously hurting now. oh i will do more than just saying something meaningful, i will do something meaningful and that is ending this unedifying discussion. I can't keep on exchanging words with a dunderhead. Sayonara UgLY. Please show the world how stup1d you are by replying this post.

If any of your folks are still Christians, you might need to use these curse words on them kid.

LOL , bye, your epic display of foolishness will be forgotten. Go back to the jungle where you belong.

sylvalord:
oh dosent and doesn't are the same? I have always said that you have serious problems, you wrote "dosent" how does that relate to "doesn't"? Who is the airhead now? you saw something on Google, rushed and posted it here thinking i know nothing about it. Well you are the one that needs to read "randomness doesn't produce conscience" up. Unintelligent thing.

read the below;

winner01:
If you wanna find my wrongs, try harder. You couldn't beat that claim but could only give a blunt response to the apostrophe.

Again, Read the above severally till you can decode what it means

I omitted an apostrophe, you got a whole spelling wrong.

sylvalord:
you must realy think high of yourself.

If really now spells realy then i need to ask
What raised you?

sylvalord:
you must realy think high of yourself. Well sorry to break it to you, you are dumber than a doorknob. I have always watched you on here and i have come to the conclusion that you are the dumbest person i have ever come across. Seriously i have always wondered if someone can be this dumb or you are just putting up a facade. From your fallacious posts to your "ad homineMOUS" judgment on other people's posts, it all proves over and over again your inability to think. Oh silly me, how can you think, you don't even have a functioning brain, you will do well to take my advise and get one. Dawg you are not half as smart as you think you are, as a matter of fact you are not half as smart as an orangutan. Keep wallowing in your imbecility, and keep running to Google for answers to simple questions, PUNK!!

Surprise me, just say something meaningful. Prove that you aren't brain-dead.

this day, prophecy has become some sort of showoff.

malvisguy212:
men are not born sinner.

Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned-- romans 5;12

sylvalord:
oh, lest i forget, it is "Randomness does not produce conscience". You should atleast know how to spell something if you are going to refer to it ADULT.

Doesn't is a contraction of does not, and i don't see a formal context here. If you wanna find my wrongs, try harder. You couldn't beat that claim but could only give a blunt response to the apostrophe. So much for brainstorming. Change your name to airhead.