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sylvalord:
hahahahaha.......... Do not think for a moment that everyone is as retarded as you. Brainwashed ninny. How can a supposed adult think like this? It's so pathetic. So that's what you do? Run to Google when you are asked to tackle a matter? No wonder you are always beating around the bush when you should be giving direct answers. Here is an advice, get a functioning brain. Lets make that two advice, get a life, you are in dire need of one.

lol. with all your childish tantrums, you only keep proving how much you need to grow up. I obviously thump you in your tightly held aspects of life, intellect, qualifications, name it. You've refused to say something reasonable unlike other atheists, it only shows how much of a lamebrain you are.
Google is where you get your answers, its why you're shallow and empty. Google scientists
Go school yourself kid.

sylvalord:
you can keep deceiving yourself by thinking you are making any sense. You are just a bloody liar, any sensible person that reads my post will see clearly that i do not attach emotions to my comments. Jamb Level answers? So you expect me to unnecessarily brainstorm for these simple questions that need simple answers? Well i am not surprised you are acting this way, it is the Christian way to lie and twist words, aren't y'all christlike? I cannot keep discussing with someone who is obviously incapable of understanding my viewpoint. Sayonara dawg.

You cant brainstorm, you dont have the capability. You can only go to google for answers.
Go learn from other atheists, will ya.

Don't bother asking such questions.

Just like your brothers have said; just exist, its all that matters.

Whatever happens beyond (if it happens) shouldn't be of much concern.

Just breathe and live.












This is what you get when you seek answers from confusion, you get more confused.

Op, you need serious help and this forum for sure cant provide such help. You have only wasted your time or even complicated your woes by posting your story here.

However, God is able to help you.
Let me quickly say that God cannot order you to kill your father because of any reason whatsoever. By the spirit of life in Christ Jesus, we do not operate under "an eye for and eye" convenant anymore. We have a new convenant. The voices you claim to have heard are most likely demonic influences.

1 john 4;1 says Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God.

Email me, we can settle this in the spirit

sylvalord:
There you go again spewing arrant balderdash, why do you always twist words to fit your rretarded ideology? Oh i know why, it is because you are a "good Christian" so the god she is talking about is the reason i am here? Did i even ask her that question? Hear yourself talk. I asked her to address the first part of that dude's post and that is what i am interested in.. And there you go again making that mistake of assuming i am interested in a mythical sky being, i'm not interested in why god allows evil because i know a myth cannot allow anything. Evil is simply the result of the inhumanity of some folks and children dying everyday is just as a result of the calamities ravaging the world. Unborn kids die as a result of poor health care services. Young children die as a result of war, starvation e.t.c where does your sky god come into this? I don't need to find out if any god exists because i already know he doesn't, save you agree that he is an evil and vengeful monster who hates humanity. The idea of a loving god is extremely implausible.

This only shows how unbalanced and traumatic you are. You inability to maintain coherence and reason reeks all over your comments.
Learn from other matured atheists on how to submit arguments rather than show your childish attributes.
Those i asked the origin of "good and evil" from, were able to think outside the box, its why they couldnt give answers. Not this stup!d jamb level answer you're giving me.

Randomness dosent produce conscience, go read on that kid.

sylvalord:
tsk tsk tsk.. Is that lady your boo? see how you carry her matter for head like gala. Anyway, if this is your definition of stupidity then i must say you are very stup1d. I didn't insult you, you just insulted yourself. Do you believe in Muhammad and Islam? You obviously don't. Why then do you engage in arguments concerning Islam? Why do you strive so hard to prove Muhammad's fakeness? S.M.H, keep shooting yourself in the foot.

You speak like a kid that you are. Im not surprised social media is the only place you can make your voice known. Otherwise, you're just another irrelevant kid.
If i was as stup1d as you, i would be in islams section refuting their beliefs.

KingEbukasBlog:
Lol

You even have a better description

Plaetton , winner don give you expo .

Naaaahh, it takes time for plaetton to grab things.

I dont think he'll get the expo at once.

sylvalord:
oh you are so so the perfect Christian. You are unlearned, ignorant, an abusive slowpoke and a FOOL and all these are attributes of a good Christian. Keep wallowing in your stupidity.

Let me quickly point out what stupidity is.

Stupidity is when you
1. go to the sports section
2. give arguments against sports even though you believe sports to be nonsence.
3. Insult those who make fun of such stup1d action.
4. And insist that you arnt the stup1d one.

You get the drift?

Why you discover why you are on a religion section, then you will find how special you own stupidity is.

ValentineMary:
If u noticed, you have been saying the same thing over and over again. I just gave u example of how the right conditions can make matter and can help adaptation. It is obvious that nothing can change ur. belief in an imaginary being. Good luck in ur delusion.

Haha, this is serious. You have been the one twisting and turning, first you say nothing, try to redefine it as something, then baryony, then you try to redefine "electron beam combined with an intense laser" as nothing.

To even come down to your level, if such conditions can make matter. Have you tried probing the origination and existence of such conditions?

Everything you've tried to say is bull, i should ask how old you are.

circuit101:
Why all dis shi.t just to prove a particular religion..y CNT d God of dat belief just prove he is d right one and leave d choosen for us,rada dan waiting for us to look for a proof of his existence.

In other words, Why all this stress to hustle just to succeed, Why cant life just tell us where to go to find success, rather than expecting us to use our useful youthful years looking for success.

Its is not sh.it to love God, its actually a priviledge.

KingEbukasBlog:
Lol

What is another name for emptiness that derived the propensity to create everything ?

Hint : Its starts with a V , and its one lonely formless nigga !

Lol
Its more like an uncaused conscious creative nothing, willing to create something if it likes.

I heard its called void,

KingEbukasBlog:
Quotes and works of ancient men are also contained in ancient books .

JUST EPIC!!!!!

ValentineMary:
electron beam combined with an intense laser
pulse could rip apart a vacuum into its
fundamental matter and antimatter
components, and set off a cascade of events
that generates additional pairs of particles and
antiparticles.
"We can now calculate how, from a single
electron, several hundred particles can be
produced. We believe this happens in nature
near pulsars and neutron stars ," said Igor
Sokolov, an engineering research scientist who
conducted this research along with associate
research scientist John Nees, emeritus electrical
engineering professor Gerard Mourou and their
colleagues in France.

"electron beam combined with an intense laser" Is this what you define as nothing?
You fail.
Try to copy something more convincing.

ValentineMary:
God gave us free will but he knew where our free will would lead us, yet he went ahead but he never intends on human to offend him. How funny

Try harder to use your created instincts to quantify your creator.

God didnt create us as robots, freewill comes with responsibilities and accountability.

ValentineMary:
And mind u, the big bang is not an explosions. It is spread of space. And if u claime that the cell was designed in it's present form, that would be a lie because cells are constantly modifying their protein, DNA, etc just to meet harsh conditions. Take the mitochomdria for example, it has a circular DNA and constantly divides with the cell, hence disproving the fact that the cell was made with the same amount of mitochondria. And note that no other organelle in an animal cell has such characteristic. Can't it also mean that the mitochondria was once a cell on it's own but had an association with a larger eukaryotic cell and lost the ability to live independently just to survive the harsh condition. Was this also designed or it was just mere adaptation?

Spread of space from absolutely nothing ( Remember high density and high temperature is something). Congratulations you have just refuted your claim of baryonic matter being formed from nothing. Maybe you should go for more classes on google for baryon assymetry, dark energy, dark matter, magnetic monopoles and the likes. Cell complexity is a designation not a designation in its present form. Dont make wrong allegations.
I believe i said "Cell complexity is a designation not an adaptation, adaptation emanates from the ability of existing lifeforms to adjust to their environment".
Can you give your own account on how those lifeforms came to be?

frank317:
man swore no allegiance with any devil. According to the bible, the devil deceived the man and your God over reacted as usual. man didnt create the devil, your God did.


your God's solution to the problem he created is not working. look around you... is it working? he actually sounds clueless if you ask me. make me a God in one week and the world will be 100 times better than this.

as long as man exist and people are of different upbringing with scarce commodity... evil will exist. what ever your bible said was a fairy tale and its funny as old as u are u believe such nonsense.

Before we go further, you are quoting from the Bible. Have you found it credible?
If not give your evidence slamming its credibility, lets start from there.

God created a solution, if we all tap into that solution, dont you think the world will be a better place?

frank317:
are we challenging ur belief here or mine? Listen bro... non of this shhiit of God or devil manipulating the world is mine bro its all yours. its ur fairy tale not mine.

Relax bro, relax.

oglalasioux:
The OP has concluded from his research that Christianity of the new testament is the right religion. By saying that he has bypassed Judaism that gave birth to it. The conflict between the religions for superiority is in fact an indictment on their falsehood. To know God we have to look at the progress of the world from the beginning and ask salient questions.
1. Why is intelligence higher today than in the past?
2. Why is it that most of the creation stories from the holy books are wrong?
3. Why must most religion resort to blackmail for people to follow it?
4. Why are the African deities and shrines still active to this day?
5. Why is the universe such a vast place?

The simple steps that inferred the above result is open for all to see.
Throughout the old testament, there were prophesies of a coming Messiah, prophesies from prophets hundreds of years before the birth of Jesus Christ, Prophets who didnt even know themselves. Prophecies which were fulfilled.
It is quite proper to say that Christianity has its roots in Judaism. The Old Testament laid the groundwork for the New, and it is impossible to fully understand Christianity without a working knowledge of the Old Testament. The Old Testament explains the necessity of a Messiah, contains the history of the Messiah’s people, and predicts the Messiah’s coming. The New Testament is all about the coming of Messiah and His work to save us from sin. In His life, Jesus fulfilled over 300 specific prophecies, proving that He was the One the Old Testament had anticipated.

The initial converts to Christianity were Jews or proselytes to Judaism, and the church was centered in Jerusalem. Because of this, Christianity was seen at first as a Jewish sect, akin to the Pharisees, the Sadducees, or the Essenes. However, what the apostles preached was radically different from what other Jewish groups were teaching. Jesus was the Jewish Messiah (the anointed King) who had come to fulfill the Law (Matthew 5:17) and institute a new covenant based on His death (Mark 14:24). This message, with its charge that they had killed their own Messiah, infuriated many Jewish leaders, and some, like Saul of Tarsus, took action to stamp out “the Way” (Acts 9:1-2).

The contrast between religions can be judged by mordern day scientific findings, you're incredibly wrong to say that only proves their falsehood. Fake does not disprove the existence of the original.

oglalasioux:
Let's look at just five out of thousands of questions plaguing mankind today. First, Christianity will say intelligence is rising because it is the end of times and the messiah is coming. Is that better than saying, "ah, maybe the human brain has attained higher capacities through evolution?" It is better than talking of an end that will never come.

But isnt it somewhat strange that an "ancient" man, Daniel, could give an accurate prediction of what would happen in about 3000 years time, considering the fact that he had no access your type of technology

many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased” Daniel 12:4.

With all the knowledge you have acquired from the internet and school, maybe you should give us an accurate prediction of what could happen in year 2050?

oglalasioux:
Scientific discoveries have made nonsense of biblical creation stories. The bible said the earth is about 6 thousand years old. But the earth is at least 4.5 billion years old. Creatures are known to have roamed earth as far as at least 350 million years ago. Adam and Eve could not have been the parents of every living man because there are fossil evidence that man evolved. Consider mosquitoes, bugs and other dangerous bacteria and viruses. Surely the creator won't have the time to make such useless creatures.
The article said something about things happening by chance. That is surely correct. We might not fully know the creation story but surely the biblical account is pathetic.

Scientific discoveries have only confirmed more and more the truth contained in the scriptures. Can you provide a biblical reference of the earth being 6000 years old.
In my opinion, the claim of 6000 years was gotten from Archbishop James Ussher, Bishop in the Church of Ireland in the 16th century. He took the genealogies of Genesis, assuming they were complete, and calculated all the years to arrive at a date for the creation of the earth on Sunday, October 23, 4004 B.C.
Many people have also come up with dates for creation, such as Johannes Kepler (3992 BC), Gerhard Hasel (4178 BC), and Isaac Newton (~4000 BC) but have received far lesser criticisms, and i keep wondering why.

But what does the Bible really say about how we can get our facts right.

"But now ask the beasts, and let them teach you; And the birds of the heavens, and let them tell you. "Or speak to the earth, and let it teach you; And let the fish of the sea declare to you. "Who among all these does not know That the hand of the LORD has done this, In whose hand is the life of every living thing, And the breath of all mankind? "Does not the ear test words, As the palate tastes its food? (Job 12:7-11)

Interestingly, We have learnt from the earth by examining the age of its rocks, along with the age of rocks from the moon and meteorites, which were formed around the same time.

"The absolute age of the earth has been most accurately measured through radioactive decay of its rocks. Because of plate tectonics which recycles the earth's crust and the late heavy bombardment, none of the original rock formations appear on the surface of the earth at this time. So, the oldest known rock formations have been dated to 4.0-4.2 billion years old. However, tiny zircons, some of the hardest minerals on earth, have survived these catastrophic events and have been reliably dated to 4.4 billion years old. Rocks returned from the Apollo moon missions, along with meteorites derived from Mars have been dated at 4.5 billion years old. Meteorites from the solar system that have landed on the earth have been dated to 4.56 billion years old, which establishes the date at which the solar system and all its worlds were created."- godandscience.com


The vast ages of the earth does not diminish the power and glory of God, but establishes that God thought that preparing the earth for human habitation was worth the billions of years of preparation. Since God is not subject to the temporal dimension of this universe, it all happened "instantly" for Him.

oglalasioux:
Then we look at religion and it's blackmail for acceptance. Was the wars and killings of the Jews in Palestine really necessary? The bible repeatedly admonished the Jews to kill and destroy 'ungodly' people. Christian Europe engaged in massive killings in the same Palestine in the name of recovering 'the holy lands' from the infidels. The Muslims also engaged in massive wipe out of peoples during their own purported instructions from God.

Now this sounds like emotions rather than logic.
Irreligious wars have claimed 10 times more lives than religious wars, and this is a pointer to the fact that evil is perpetrated by evil men.
As for God ordering the instant destruction of the ungodly, we now have a new convenant and its strange for someone who claims to have read the bible not to know the reason why we still have a religion today that seeks to forcefully and brutally gain dominion of the world.

oglalasioux:
But there is a curious thing; the efficacy of the African gods even after many years of Christianity and Islam in Africa. The deities and the shrines still work to this day. It'll be stupidity to say it's the devil that operates these African deities because God wouldn't have allowed the devil to rule Africa from the beginning of time to only about 300 years ago. Everything done by the African gods such as ritual killings, sorcery and magic are perpetrated by both Christians and Muslims alike if not worse. So one begins to wonder; if the African gods are really the gods of our ancestors why did they allow the white man conquer us? Unless you realize that the powers behind everything we know as shrine, deities, gods, miracles and prophecy is nothing but the forces of the universe in action, there is little hope in finding the true religion.

The Bible never denies the powers of satan and his demons, the Bible only gives us a guide on how we can resist, counter and dominate such powers.

This Bible seems to counter every single allegation you lay against it, So much for a book written by ancient/primitive minds.

“A thousand times over, the death knell of the Bible has been sounded, the funeral procession formed, the inscription cut on the tombstone, and committal read. But somehow the corpse never stays put.”

“No other book has been so chopped, knifed, sifted, scrutinized, and vilified. What book on philosophy or religion or psychology or belles lettres of classical or modern times has been subject to such a mass attack as the Bible? With such venom and skepticism? With such thoroughness and erudition? Upon every chapter, line and tenet?” - Bernard Ramm

I love this Bible .

oglalasioux:
The universe is a vast place and it'll be stupid to think earth man is the only occupant of this astronomical entity. Life spread out to all parts of the universe from the beginning and it survived and took shape and course according to where it found itself in the universe. The universe is 99% chance. The remaining 1% is the Sower as taught by Jesus Christ in His parable of the Sower.

wow, chance indeed.
A vast universe.
Very quickly, i want you to answer how a minority product of a random universe can exist by chance in the picture below.

oglalasioux:
There is a power behind the universe. Whether that overlaying power is in human form or in the form of energy is what mankind doesn't know for now. But we do know one thing; that God and Satan as represented by religions does not exist.

Yeah, i agree with you. There is really a power behind the universe.

BUT

All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.- Jesus Christ

Do not pluralize, speak for yourself alone.

Just as the last sentence in the Op says
"Sadly, true belief is a matter of the will, and no matter how much logical evidence is presented, some will still choose to deny the God who is there and miss the one true path to harmony with Him".

ValentineMary:
You sound more funny than I thought. According to the scriptures, God wants us to live in eternal hapiness with him. And he knows all things even before they happen. Yet he went ahead to make humans to live alongside the devil. Your God sounds confused.

You didnt answer any of my questions regarding your "random" theory. Speaks a lot about your ability to respond to criticisms. God made human beings with freewill, why not take a break and ponder on this. Man has an ability to choose right from wrong with freewill. Once again, your wish should be why God didnt create robots.
Can you tell us more on the origin of good and evil.

ValentineMary:
Have u heard of bryonic matter and how it can be formed from nothing in a vacuum? or have u heard how scientist intend on making matter from light? I repeat WE DON'T KNOW THE ORIGIN BUT WE WOULD NOT FILL IT UP WITH A GOD THEORY.

Its is baryonic matter and not bryonic matter and it cant be formed from nothing except of course you try to redefine what nothing means.
YOU KNOW THE ORIGIN, ITS WHY YOU ARE SURE THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST. So please, tell us what you really know based on the evidence we have in our world today.

ValentineMary:
Let us assume we lived 800 years ago and u observe a man on the ground and foam coming out of his mouth, at that level of humanity, it defiled all scientific explanations but does it mean God did it? today we know it is an epileptic seizure.

Since creation, man has always used his ability to make life easier, man has since been involved in the work of creation just as consistent with the fact that he was created in God's image. Its why we have so much technological advancements today.
The fact that some ancient people couldnt explain seizures only shows how far we have gone as humans, it dosent in anyway disprove the existence of a Creator. As a matter of fact, no scientific theory disproves the existence of a Creator.

ValentineMary:
And for the pic, it just shows how much the author of the write up in the pic is ignorant of how complex the big bang theory is.

And for the cell complexity it is due to adaptation just to survive harsh conditions.

The pic. rubbishes your talk of a magical order coming from a completely chaotic explosion. Cell complexity is a designation not an adaptation, adaptation emanates from the ability of existing lifeforms to adjust to their environment. My question to you is, how did those life forms start existing, especially considering the fact that they are all products of a chaotic explosion.

KingEbukasBlog:
Energy is not self existent . You are the only one with that theory .

plaetton is a lonely and confused relevance-seeker. He has proved that over time with his unintelligent posts. I suggest you just let him be.

urahara:
You are contradicting your first premise. Why can't the first cause be the big bang. Why can't the first cause be the flying Sphagetti monster. Why is God exempted from having a cause

The big bang is an effect, not a cause.
The first cause cant be a flying sphagetti monster simply because thats exactly what you want it to be.
I believe your last question has been answered here. https://www.nairaland.com/2816262/god-created-everything-created-god

ValentineMary:
For the universe to originate, there had to be a reaction which lead to other chains of reaction. We might not be able to give an accurate explanation for this relations but we would rather say that we don't know than to give a false answer and stand on it like a dogma.

There had to be a reaction from nothing for no reason? . Nothing had to react with itself in order to produce everything . Still great logic.
You are so sure this is a false answer, you seem to have compelling evidence against this answer, maybe you should lets hear it.
Except of course you have chosen to dwell on the appealing lies of the devil.

ValentineMary:
If there is a God, I don't think he would hold grudges against fragile humans, if there was a God he would speak to us in a language everyone can understand vividly instead of revealing it to a 'privileged' few, if there was a God I don't think he would sacrifice himself to himself just for him to forgive humans just as Jesus did. So yes my dear I just understood ur God using my human instinct.

There is a God and He wouldnt force us to live with Him in eternity either. Thats the whole essence of freewill. Your wish should be "How i wish God created us as robots so we can all spend eternity with Him irrespective of our actions".
God does not hold grudges against humans, infact, it is the other way round. Ive heard several atheist say, What kind of saddist created this world, is God dead.
If there was a god, you'd submit totally to his authority to seek his face and hear him speak. The reason you are doing otherwise is simple because of freewill, and then you want him to bend his rules because you want to remain unaccountable.
If there was a god, He would pay the ultimate price to redeem humanity whilst still not bending his everlasting rules.
If there was a god, im sorry he wouldnt be the puppet you want him to be.
God is not using your human instinct, thats why you still dont understand His character. Thats why you wish he had created robots so we can all go to heaven. Thats why you want him to bend his rules just like humans.

ValentineMary:
And for the universe it is a product of a random. reaction, and we are lucky to be part of this reaction.

Random? No right thinking atheist would even make such assertion.
You sound so sure, this is the height of close mindedness. Even the simplest single celled organism is stupendously complex, the earth is in just the right conditions for life to occur. And yet you call this random?
There was a random explosion from nothing and everything settled randomly and rearranged itself magically for absolutely no reason whatsoever, but just because it wanted to.

You know, Maybe I should agree with your incredible things happening randomly "logic", but right after you answer the question below.

sylvalord:
oh we both know that the god she's talking about is none of my business and that is not the truth i am interested in. Rather, it is the truth in the first part of his post that she is running away from. You know this yet you are trying to shield her, i wonder to what end.

Oh, it really is your buisness. If not you wouldnt be here in the first place.
I ask again what truth?
That children die everyday?
You dont believe God exists so why do you care about what He allows and what he dosent?. There goes your emotions.
First have an idea what we are talking about before you just come to pluck. That way, you will be qualified to ask about God's character.
For now, you would do well to go figure if there is a God or there isnt.

There is no doubt that the number of different religions in the world makes it a challenge to know which one is correct. First, let’s consider some thoughts on the overall subject and then look at how one might approach the topic in a manner that can actually get to a right conclusion about God. The challenge of different answers to a particular issue is not unique to the topic of religion. For example, you can sit 100 math students down, give them a complex problem to solve, and it is likely that many will get the answer wrong. But does this mean that a correct answer does not exist? Not at all. Those who get the answer wrong simply need to be shown their error and know the techniques necessary to arrive at the correct answer.

How do we arrive at the truth about God? We use a systematic methodology that is designed to separate truth from error by using various tests for truth, with the end result being a set of right conclusions. Can you imagine the end results a scientist would arrive at if he went into the lab and just started mixing things together with no rhyme or reason? Or if a physician just started treating a patient with random medicines in the hope of making him well? Neither the scientist nor the physician takes this approach; instead, they use systematic methods that are methodical, logical, evidential, and proven to yield the right end result.

This being the case, why should theology—the study of God—be any different? Why believe it can be approached in a haphazard and undisciplined way and still yield right conclusions? Unfortunately, this is the approach many take, and this is one of the reasons why so many religions exist. That said, we now return to the question of how to reach truthful conclusions about God. What systematic approach should be used? First, we need to establish a framework for testing various truth claims, and then we need a roadmap to follow to reach a right conclusion. Here is a good framework to use:

1. Logical consistency—the claims of a belief system must logically cohere to each other and not contradict in any way. As an example, the end goal of Buddhism is to rid oneself of all desires. Yet, one must have a desire to rid oneself of all desires, which is a contradictory and illogical principle.

2. Empirical adequacy—is there evidence to support the belief system (whether the evidence is rational, externally evidential, etc.)? Naturally, it is only right to want proof for important claims being made so the assertions can be verified. For example, Mormons teach that Jesus visited North America. Yet there is absolutely no proof, archaeological or otherwise, to support such a claim.

3. Existential relevancy—the belief system should address the big questions of life described below and the teachings should be accurately reflected in the world in which we live. Christianity, for example, provides good answers for the large questions of life, but is sometimes questioned because of its claim of an all-good and powerful God who exists alongside a world filled with very real evil. Critics charge that such a thing violates the criteria of existential relevancy, although many good answers have been given to address the issue.

The above framework, when applied to the topic of religion, will help lead one to a right view of God and will answer the four big questions of life:

1. Origin – where did we come from?
2. Ethics – how should we live?
3. Meaning – what is the purpose for life?
4. Destiny – where is mankind heading?

But how does one go about applying this framework in the pursuit of God? A step-by-step question/answer approach is one of the best tactics to employ. Narrowing the list of possible questions down produces the following:

1. Does absolute truth exist?
2. Do reason and religion mix?
3. Does God exist?
4. Can God be known?
5. Is Jesus God?
6. Does God care about me?

First we need to know if absolute truth exists. If it does not, then we really cannot be sure of anything (spiritual or not), and we end up either an agnostic, unsure if we can really know anything, or a pluralist, accepting every position because we are not sure which, if any, is right.

Absolute truth is defined as that which matches reality, that which corresponds to its object, telling it like it is. Some say there is no such thing as absolute truth, but taking such a position becomes self-defeating. For example, the relativist says, “All truth is relative,” yet one must ask: is that statement absolutely true? If so, then absolute truth exists; if not, then why consider it? Postmodernism affirms no truth, yet it affirms at least one absolute truth: postmodernism is true. In the end, absolute truth becomes undeniable.

Further, absolute truth is naturally narrow and excludes its opposite. Two plus two equals four, with no other answer being possible. This point becomes critical as different belief systems and worldviews are compared. If one belief system has components that are proven true, then any competing belief system with contrary claims must be false. Also, we must keep in mind that absolute truth is not impacted by sincerity and desire. No matter how sincerely someone embraces a lie, it is still a lie. And no desire in the world can make something true that is false.

The answer of question one is that absolute truth exists. This being the case, agnosticism, postmodernism, relativism, and skepticism are all false positions.

This leads us to the next question of whether reason/logic can be used in matters of religion. Some say this is not possible, but—why not? The truth is, logic is vital when examining spiritual claims because it helps us understand why some claims should be excluded and others embraced. Logic is absolutely critical in dismantling pluralism (which says that all truth claims, even those that oppose each other, are equal and valid).

For example, Islam and Judaism claim that Jesus is not God, whereas Christianity claims He is. One of the core laws of logic is the law of non-contradiction, which says something cannot be both “A” and “non-A” at the same time and in the same sense. Applying this law to the claims Judaism, Islam, and Christianity means that one is right and the other two are wrong. Jesus cannot be both God and not God. Used properly, logic is a potent weapon against pluralism because it clearly demonstrates that contrary truth claims cannot both be true. This understanding topples the whole “true for you but not for me” mindset.

Logic also dispels the whole “all roads lead to the top of the mountain” analogy that pluralists use. Logic shows that each belief system has its own set of signs that point to radically different locations in the end. Logic shows that the proper illustration of a search for spiritual truth is more like a maze—one path makes it through to truth, while all others arrive at dead ends. All faiths may have some surface similarities, but they differ in major ways in their core doctrines.

The conclusion is that you can use reason and logic in matters of religion. That being the case, pluralism (the belief that all truth claims are equally true and valid) is ruled out because it is illogical and contradictory to believe that diametrically opposing truth claims can both be right.

Next comes the big question: does God exist? Atheists and naturalists (who do not accept anything beyond this physical world and universe) say “no.” While volumes have been written and debates have raged throughout history on this question, it is actually not difficult to answer. To give it proper attention, you must first ask this question: Why do we have something rather than nothing at all? In other words, how did you and everything around you get here? The argument for God can be presented very simply:

Something exists.
You do not get something from nothing.
Therefore, a necessary and eternal Being exists.

You cannot deny you exist because you have to exist in order to deny your own existence (which is self-defeating), so the first premise above is true. No one has ever demonstrated that something can come from nothing unless they redefine what ‘nothing’ is, so the second premise rings true. Therefore, the conclusion naturally follows—an eternal Being is responsible for everything that exists.

This is a position no thinking atheist denies; they just claim that the universe is that eternal being. However, the problem with that stance is that all scientific evidence points to the fact that the universe had a beginning (the ‘big bang’). And everything that has a beginning must have a cause; therefore, the universe had a cause and is not eternal. Because the only two sources of eternality are an eternal universe (denied by all current empirical evidence) or an eternal Creator, the only logical conclusion is that God exists. Answering the question of God’s existence in the affirmative rules out atheism as a valid belief system.

Now, this conclusion says nothing about what kind of God exists, but amazingly enough, it does do one sweeping thing—it rules out all pantheistic religions. All pantheistic worldviews say that the universe is God and is eternal. And this assertion is false. So, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and all other pantheistic religions are ruled out as valid belief systems.

Further, we learn some interesting things about this God who created the universe. He is:

• Supernatural in nature (as He exists outside of His creation)
• Incredibly powerful (to have created all that is known)
• Eternal (self-existent, as He exists outside of time and space)
• Omnipresent (He created space and is not limited by it)
• Timeless and changeless (He created time)
• Immaterial (because He transcends space)
• Personal (the impersonal can’t create personality)
• Necessary (as everything else depends on Him)
• Infinite and singular (as you cannot have two infinites)
• Diverse yet has unity (as all multiplicity implies a prior singularity)
• Intelligent (supremely, to create everything)
• Purposeful (as He deliberately created everything)
• Moral (no moral law can exist without a lawgiver)
• Caring (or no moral laws would have been given)

This Being exhibits characteristics very similar to the God of Judaism, Islam, and Christianity, which interestingly enough, are the only core faiths left standing after atheism and pantheism have been eliminated. Note also that one of the big questions in life (origins) is now answered: we know where we came from.

This leads to the next question: can we know God? At this point, the need for religion is replaced by something more important—the need for revelation. If mankind is to know this God well, it is up to God to reveal Himself to His creation. Judaism, Islam, and Christianity all claim to have a book that is God’s revelation to man, but the question is which (if any) is actually true? Pushing aside minor differences, the two core areas of dispute are 1) the New Testament of the Bible 2) the person of Jesus Christ. Islam and Judaism both claim the New Testament of the Bible is untrue in what it claims, and both deny that Jesus is God incarnate, while Christianity affirms both to be true.

There is no faith on the planet that can match the mountains of evidence that exist for Christianity. From the voluminous number of ancient manuscripts, to the very early dating of the documents written during the lifetime of the eyewitnesses (some only 15 years after Christ’s death), to the multiplicity of the accounts (nine authors in 27 books of the New Testament), to the archaeological evidence—none of which has ever contradicted a single claim the New Testament makes—to the fact that the apostles went to their deaths claiming they had seen Jesus in action and that He had come back from the dead, Christianity sets the bar in terms of providing the proof to back up its claims. The New Testament’s historical authenticity—that it conveys a truthful account of the actual events as they occurred—is the only right conclusion to reach once all the evidence has been examined.

When it comes to Jesus, one finds a very curious thing about Him—He claimed to be God in the flesh. Jesus own words (e.g., “Before Abraham was born I AM”), His actions (e.g., forgiving sins, accepting worship), His sinless and miraculous life (which He used to prove His truth claims over opposing claims), and His resurrection all support His claims to be God. The New Testament writers affirm this fact over and over again in their writings.

Now, if Jesus is God, then what He says must be true. And if Jesus said that the Bible is inerrant and true in everything it says (which He did), this must mean that the Bible is true in what it proclaims. As we have already learned, two competing truth claims cannot both be right. So anything in the Islamic Koran or writings of Judaism that contradict the Bible cannot be true. In fact, both Islam and Judaism fail since they both say that Jesus is not God incarnate, while the evidence says otherwise. And because we can indeed know God (because He has revealed Himself in His written Word and in Christ), all forms of agnosticism are refuted. Lastly, another big question of life is answered—that of ethics—as the Bible contains clear instructions on how mankind ought to live.

This same Bible proclaims that God cares deeply for mankind and wishes all to know Him intimately. In fact, He cares so much that He became a man to show His creation exactly what He is like. There are many men who have sought to be God, but only one God who sought to be man so He could save those He deeply loves from an eternity separated from Him. This fact demonstrates the existential relevancy of Christianity and also answers that last two big questions of life—meaning and destiny. Each person has been designed by God for a purpose, and each has a destiny that awaits him—one of eternal life with God or eternal separation from Him. This deduction (and the point of God becoming a man in Christ) also refutes Deism, which says God is not interested in the affairs of mankind.

In the end, we see that ultimate truth about God can be found and the worldview maze successfully navigated by testing various truth claims and systematically pushing aside falsehoods so that only the truth remains. Using the tests of logical consistency, empirical adequacy, and existential relevancy, coupled with asking the right questions, yields truthful and reasonable conclusions about religion and God. Everyone should agree that the only reason to believe something is that it is true—nothing more. Sadly, true belief is a matter of the will, and no matter how much logical evidence is presented, some will still choose to deny the God who is there and miss the one true path to harmony with Him.



source; www.gotquestions.org

ValentineMary:
I might suprise u by letting u know that my conversion was solely based on logic. And on the nature of God; According to the bible, he is a supreme being who knows all things, see all things, and loves us. He later sent his son to save us. But surprisenly his son is also God. He is called Yahweh or Aldonai or Jehovah. He lead the people of isreal out of slavery just to punish them for another 40 years. Can we talk on this particular being and know how he is good? Unless u want to say he is nothing, then I totally agree.

Funny. The logic that something came from nothing. Great logic i must say.
He sent his Son, the bodily form of the godhead, known as Christ the Saviour of the world. Just one question. Do you really think if there is a God, you can use your "created" instincts to understand all about your Creator?.
have you bothered to find out what those names mean or stand for.
We can talk on this Being, but we cant scrape from the surface, we need to start from the root.
Do you also believe in a causeless universe.?

ValentineMary:
Am a non believer because of emotion. Are u. kidding?
I don't believe in ur God obviously. I just argue based on the characteristic attributed to him. Shall we continue now?

The fact that you feel He shouldnt allow evil to exist speaks volume about your feelings, your emotions. And no, im not kidding you, i see atheists everyday and im yet to find one whose conversion is based solely on logic, except for born atheists.

Before you can argue on a persons characteristics, you need to have a true understanding of who he is, else nothing would make sense. Except you want us to argue on nothing's characteristics.

So would it be nothing?

dalaman:
In the bible other people also imagined and invented their own Gods, that is all there is to it about the existence of other Gods. Gods are man made ideas that is why there are many different Gods and religions. I have no belief as to the causality of the universe. I do not know, you claim to know that the universe was created by some entity the ancient Hebrews imagined, provide evidence to show that their assumptions and imaginations are true. Or just accept that you only believe in their ideas because you were indoctrinated with it.

You need to keep an open mind towards life if you really want to learn. I agree that gods are man made invoked beings but does that disqualify a real supreme Being. Does fake disprove the existence of original. If you wanna be more objective you need to open your mind to the possiblity that the universe was caused. And if caused, Who did.
If you dont believe in a caused universe, why not keep an open mind. Why not weigh the facts presented.
If you also believe in a causeless universe, and pass that off as logic, why not provide your evidence.
If you dont believe in both, i dont think we even need to have this discussion. You might need to do more research

dalaman:
Energy is not a living thing. It is simply the property of systems. You claim your God is alive, show evidence that there is a God that is alive.

God is alive, He is the Creator, not just any ordinary human being. Im sorry he cant be the kind of God slave you want Him to be

dalaman:
The idea behind the thread was to show that all religions are equally valid which the thread proved, no body could come up with any objective and testable proof to show us that his/her religion is true while the others are false.

Nobody could or Nobody that commented could?
Many of us see no reason to reply you and would rather pray for you to know God.
Your post was obviously to make a mockery and i wont expect any one to even give u what you seek.
Why not do your research on how to test the validity of a religion, just the same way u did for the validity of atheism

dalaman:
Every religion states that it's claim are true. What objective and testable evidence can you provide for us to prove to us that your religion is true and all the others are false since you are the one laying claim to this elusive truth. My family is fine. Hope yours is fine as well.

I dont have a religion actually. I believe in God. The Creator of the heavens and the earth. All other gods seem to be self refuting as I am yet to find one that does not exist within the confines of time and space.
My family is good..

How is your family brother.

dalaman:
Repeating indoctrinated claims over and over again doesn't make them true. God is a man made entity that is why no God can be shown to exist on it;s own independent of human input, humans have to write the religious stories, create the religious doctrines, build the temples for their Gods, teach others about their God and explain their God to them, spread the messages of their Gods, fight for their Gods, create cultures and traditions according to their God beliefs and on and on. Humans invent Gods and do everything for them. Please show this God of your in action on it;s own. Gods only depend on human belief, once people stop beliving in a particular God the God dies example is Ra amun the ancient God of the Egyptians, most of the Pyramids where built in his name, today no body believe in that God in Egypt. New Gods like Allah and Yahweh have taken over.

Lol.
Serious claims once again...
Even other gods existed in the Bible and were peculiar to certain countries.
But Before i level these lies, do you believe in a causeless universe?.

dalaman:
What has energy got to do with anything.

Does energy speak, how does it look?
You dont ask such questions? why?
You get my drift?
Also give a pictorial evidence of the human mind. Thanks.

dalaman:
Being raised in a poor family is not the same as being raised into a religious family. Its like comparing apples to stones. All religions are equally valid or invalid, your religion is true just like any other. Do not think because you were raised and indoctrinated to reason and accept a particular religion then it becomes truth over others. Your religion is as true as every other religion. Happy new year to you too.

You seem to be struggling with some issues, just the other day you opened a thread on how to know the true religion. Thats hypocritically contradictry to your "validity and invalidity" claims.
Where exactly did you get your facts from, what did you read, who did you ask questions, who taught you? As appealing as the answers you got from these sources might sound, they sure will have a significant effect in your life.
Being raised in a poor family and being raised into a religious family is the best analogy that depicts your claim.
How is your family?.

dalaman:
Good and bad were taught to me, it is not inert, the society I live in taught me what good and bad is. I am not aware of any creator.

I wish you would probe the origination of good and bad. The same way you did your research by reading anti-god articles, do so for 'good and bad' maybe you'll have an idea what im talking about.

dalaman:
You have meet and interacted with Allah? Can you describe to us his distinct features so that we will know it's Allah when ever we come in contact or encounter with it.

Try to keep an open mind. When we talk about God and gods, we dont talk about visible beings, we talk about invisible beings who have some form of power. By asking me such questions as the above, you must have done the same for invisible entities like forces, laws etc

dalaman:
So you have now reduced your God to only a creator? There is no evidence for a creator any where, where is your God's signature or claim of ownership in any part of nature?

But there is evidence for a nothing cause? (All evidence points towards a Creator, why not be objective)

dalaman:
I have told you that God and bad are relative terms, morality must be learned. What is the purpose of human life ? Is this purpose universally accepted? Why or why not?

But 'morality is subjective', at least according to the atheist. A saying he uses to justify his evil deeds.
Can you tell us more on the origination of morality.

dalaman:
God is a man made entity that is why you are here explaining to us what you think he allows and what you think he does not allow.

I would like to believe you. But you have absolutely no proof what you talking about. God wants us to know Him and make Him known. That is why you exist.

dalaman:
You are not even ashamed of trying to speak for an all powerful, all knowing entity, do you know why you are speaking for such a being and not allowing him to speak for himself?

I hope you feel the same way towards energy.

dalaman:
It is because he is an imaginary being that you were indoctrinated with, an imaginary being that lives inside your head and the heads of other believers like you, if you were born in raised in a muslim home, Allah would have been the God you would have been preaching like the other muslims here do.

If i was born into a poor family, i most likely would try to succeed in life. I wont want to remain poor all my life. Same applies to everything else. You can be born into any religion, but it is left to you to find out the truth, it is left to you to succeed.
Happy new year

dalaman:
Which conscience?

the conscience that tells you good from bad, the conscience that makes you aware of a Creator

dalaman:
Are your fighting off your conscience for disbelieving in the mythology of the muslims?

I do not disbelieve what you talking about, allah obviously exists

dalaman:
The way you guys reason is actually pathetic.

Atheism is the belief in the inexistence of a Creator due to probably a strong evidence, bring forth your evidence lets analyze.

dalaman:
You just keep regurgitating ancient myths and diction you have been indoctrinated with thinking you have some special knowledge.

These are serious claims. Just one question, Dont you believe we were also indoctrinated with "good", considering the fact that "we" are only higher animals with no bearing, purpose or reason?

ValentineMary:
So God wants to redeem us, from what exactly
Is he going to redeem us from the problem he created for us or the numerous problems he did nothing to solve?

We need to get something straight before i grace you with engagement.
We know that most atheists are, mainly because of their emotions rather than logical deductions. Even though they scream otherwise.
Do you now believe in the existence of God to ask why He does what He does. I mean, someone who dosent even believe in God shouldnt ask such questions. Your questions should centre on who this God is and not what He allows or what He dosent. Lets not build on sands, lets start from the scratch.

sylvalord:
Typical.. Always running away from the truth -_- what has shoro niyen got to do with the simple question he asked?

What is the truth? And why does he care which God she's talking about? Does he believe in any of them or is he trying to fight off his conscience?