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Ranchhoddas:
If this is all you could muster to all dalaman wrote up there then I regret ever talking to you.You are retar.ded bufoon that is not worth anyone's time.

dalaman:
You don't think, you only regurgitate that which you have been indoctrinated with since childhood and the indoctrination that has turned out to be your reality because you have been conditioned to see things through that bubble. You are a christian only because you were born into the religion or you live in a culture surrounded by christians. If you were born into a Shite muslim family in Iran, you'll be telling us how there is No God but Allah and how Shite Islam is the only true sect of Islam. Your evidence for Jesus is stories written inside story book whose authors remain unknown and you want me to take you seriously? Egyptian Kings that lived thousand of year before Jesus still have their pyramids, paintings and bust surviving till this day, some of their corpse and burial chambers are still available till this day and all the evidence to show that the alleged creator of the universe came and dwell with men is ancient stories written by unknown authors? You have tired, well done. By the way many Jews have shown over and over that the passages in the Hebrew bible do not refer to any Jesus. They have shown that christains are lying when they claim that the passages in the Hebrew bible refer to Jesus. I don't even care about it, to me it is just stories and that is all there is to it. Jesus never wrote down anything about himself so why should I believe in stories that were written 40-100 years about him after he died by unknown writers?





I don't care what you think about me or any other atheist, I am not an atheist because I am frustrated, I am actually living a more fulfilled life than many religious people I know, just as there are some religious people that are living happier and more fulfilled lives than me. There is no evidence what so ever to show that religious people are living a more fulfilled life than non religious people. We are all struggling in one way or the other. Just name any atheist here that says he is an atheist because he is frustrated and doesn't want to to be accountable or remain a liar.



The God idea you believe in did not create the universe. We both don't know how the universe came about, while I readily admit that I do not know, you on the other hand have been indoctrinated to accept the God idea that some ancient Jewish men sat down and created and assigned the existence of the universe to him. They even wrote some mythical account in the book of genesis supposedly on how he created the universe in it they wrote down he created the earth before he created the sun and stars. The big bang as scientist put it does not talk about anything banging, it only talks about how a cosmic singularity expanded. I do not even subscribe to it, every body has his postulations, while the scientist observe and make their postulations, you on the other hand just sit down and accept the postulations and mythology of ancient Jews who thought there is a firmament that separates the waters above from the waters below, men who thought the sun moves round the earth. Your God remains only an idea that lives inside your head that is why you always have to speak and tell others about him, he can never do anything himself except in the pages of story books.






Just show me evidence that your God is real and Allah isn't. Is that too much to ask for from you?

dalaman:
What has belief got to do with reality? So what if some people believe in living and dying? It is a fact we must all live and die. Any other thing is simply make belief. Over a billion people the world over believe they will reincarnate when they die, does that make reincarnation a reality? Almost 2 billion muslims believe in their own concept of afterlife which you believe is wrong, does that make their factual or a reality? No, it doesn't your belief remains a belief and has nothing to do with reality.

dalaman:
Yeah, obvious myth. You just happen to be indoctrinated and accept the Jewish, Greek and Roman version out of the many other mythologies out there. Do you have a video recording of Jesus to show me that he ever existed? Do you have a picture of Jesus when he was walking the earth? Do you even have any writing from Jesus himself that mentions him any any of the claims about him? You have stories written about a guy which appeared about 40-90 years after he died, very contradictory stories whose authours remain unknown and you think it is somehow special because your land was conquered by men who happen to gain by spreading those mythical stories to you. Oduduwa is a mythical yoruba legend, many Yoruba's believe in his legendary tales, he has as much evidence to show that he existed just like your Jesus. Prove to me that he also never existed.

dalaman:
There are people that spend most of their time discussing politics and sports on nairaland, do they do that because they are disturbed. I know how you guys always appeal to emotions to make you feel bad, the OP on this thread just used some ridiculous emotional appeal until I called him out, the OP claimed that atheist here have stated that they are frustrated with life and don't want to be accountable that is why they are atheist, I challenged him to show one atheist on nairaland that has even stated that are he changed his tone and had to take his words back. I am here to challenge you guys based on your claims and see how true the measure up to the reality we all live in. So far you have constantly failed to show that what you believe in can stand the reality we see around us.

dalaman:
No, your God can not do anything that is why he relies on men to do everything for him, men had to write his religious books for him, sit down and vote on which books will be assembled into the final canon for him, chose and create all the doctrines for him, speak for him, build all the temples for him, fight all the wars for him, convert others for him, do everything for him, he has never been seen or shown to do anything for himself, he only comes down and do things like fight humans and kill them in the pages of story books that were written by humans but never in reality. There is no God, that is why you are speaking and talking on his behalf, what exist is people like you that believe and subscribe to what ever God idea they were born into and indoctrinated with.

dalaman:
Allah does not need to love any body, Allah is the most supreme being, humans are his slaves and he does not need to be in any loving relationship with anybody. He is not like your God that needs to kill himself and sacrifice himself unto himself because he wants to offer people salvation. Allah is not and can never be that weak. He simply is and that is all there is to it. There is no God except Allah. No prove to me that your God exist and Allah does not.

kevoh:
If I wanted to,a simple modified definition from google or one of these car books lying in my small shelf would do the trick. My sound knowledge or otherwise of a Car brake system has zero importance to the claim that you and Piper are making.

kevoh:
Meaning if I want to investigate it due to my zero knowledge I can consult my car mechanic who can explain to me with physical proofs of the components of a brake system using a faulty car abi? Or consult the genius Mechanical Engineer at MIT abi?
So how do we investigate Heaven with OBSERVABLE and EXPERIMENTED proof, if I may ask you and Piper ?

winner01:
The man died and went to Heaven; Some people dont have a specialized knowledge of how such could work out but could try to investigate it.

Many people apply brakes and their car stops; Even though they dont have a specialized knowledge of how it works but could still try to investigate it

osile2012:
[size=18pt]By Evolution you mean the BIG-BANG THEORY ? . So who or what caused the bang or explosion that brought everything we see into existence ?

If everything was made once by the bang ? How come every other thing after that now goes through a process ? Why are we not banging things into existence ? Why do we now go and plant what we eat and wait for it to grow ? Why do we go though a process to reproduce ?

IF you are looking for the Bang, its the word of GOD that said let there be .

IF things are banged into existence, there there is no need to futher study how they operate. The reason there is the word of GOD is to provide a manual for life that is written by him. I believe when you develop a program there is a documentation to guide the user ? So is the word of GOD.

The Big Bang , Banged things into existence without documentation .


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Some dont even believe in anything. {ust live and die}
Great article bro. Your fonts though

Ranchhoddas:
You should not encourage the OP simply because you are a christian.There is absolutely nothing great about this thread.It makes no sense.

dalaman:
Why you guys chose to accept the obvious mythology of the ancient Jews,

dalaman:
I come here to satisfy my curiosity and challenge your premise

dalaman:
You just claim tat you are doing the work of Christ for him, but if there is truly a God that can do all things and wants people to know him, be in a relationship with him and be saved through him, will he ever send incompetent failures like you do do his bidding for him?

dalaman:
Look at the muslims they are also claiming the same thing ,they also claim there are doing that which Allah sent them to do, which is to spread his message.

menesheh:
You always wanted to fight. Is uncalled for.

The OP wanted to project his view in awkward manner. Then i helped him.

Chizzled06:
What if a Christian is satisfied with living a good life in one lifetime here on earth and isn't interested in "eternity". Will God answer his /her prayer and allow them rest forever after they die?

dalaman:
There are many Christians here who spend their time here on nairaland castigating Islam alone. Does their endless attack on Islam beats you? By the way can you show us any atheist that lives his life day and night on God and the bible?

winner01:
Explain how the brakes of a car works without using google.

kevoh:
I simply consult a mechanical engineer, a roadside mechanic, youtube e.t.c And they will give me plenty EMPIRICAL PROOF

kevoh:
If you want an explanation on brake system, nothing stops me from posting links to show you one or copying and pasting one here.

winner01:


[b]"I respect those who disagree with me about heaven. They probably use the brakes on their car, and yet don't understand anything about them either—

kevoh:
I have personally taken a course on industrial automation, where I observed first hand a simple brake design process that could be used during Industrial process, run simulations and also experienced it at the plant. Engineers and local roadside mechanics, can easily explain brake system

kevoh:
My second reply to your post has already done justice to the matter for a layman with zero idea of the mechanics of a brake system which is what this all about:

Do you even know what layman means

lay·man/ˈlāmən/ - a person without professional or specialized knowledge in a particular subject.

Take note of the word "specialized knowledge".
Ive been driving for the past 14 years, i know what brakes do to motion, ive bought brake fluids and brake pads a couple times.
But i have no "specialized knowledge" of how a brake system works, and so do many other people who didnt take courses on industrial automation.

Im not here to debate on any issue on the existence of Heaven (as it is not an issue for me), im not even here to respond to critics, as a matter of fact i posted the story of this great man to uplift people spiritually. However I understand the plight of critics just like he said. People have done more terrible things in their irritation of the christian belief. Some found grace, some didnt. I hope you do find grace.

aaronson:
Never knew you good in telling tales by the moon even at day time,The story book from which you read from is somewhat outdated and obsolete and but tell me more of the fairytales,I need people like you to make me laugh with such fairytales as I recline on my chair,continue mc,Verse 3

kevoh:
Everyone knows what a brake system does to cars,bikes, airplanes e.t.c

Yeah everyone know brakes slows down motion, even those who dont use cars know about break parts such as the pedal, pads and related. However i still believe the question is quite simple and glaring. How does the brake system of a car works, explain it.

kevoh:
This is worrisome. Faith to use brakes again? All in the name of validating a non-existent heaven experience! Come on! These christians sef!

How do we know brakes exist? It's there PHYSICALLY in the vehicle and we have seen it work on automobiles whenever we press gently on the BRAKE PAD with our foot, we buy BRAKE FLUID for our car's braking system, the mechanic warns you that your brake pad is worn off and needs replacement e.t.c All these are empirical proofs and are there for anyone who does not believe a brake system exist to have a taste. You don't need any FAITH.

How do we know heaven exists with empirical proof?...

Glowstone:
I am sorry but I only came here to say something