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Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 10:50pm On Sep 27, 2015
frank317:
Of course I am here to spread hate and I am obsessed... Have u hugged the transformer? Ewu
ode. You are obsessed, if not fuvk off.
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 10:30pm On Sep 27, 2015
frank317:
U are here because u believe in God and u are his representative? Really, what has believing in God got to do with being here except if he is non existent and u are trying so hard to convince urself he exists.

If u find my presence here irritating... Ahhhhhhh isn't there a transformer in your neighbourhood? Give one a hug for me. And ohh I am here because I don't believe in God. If u can't take the heat, leave the kitchen.
Ok wise one, ill leave the religioun section for people who claim God is just an idea and non existent.
What sort of thing is this, Do you think at all undecided.
I'm in religious section cos i have a mandate to spread the gospel. You are here for what? a similar reason, to spread hate?.
No one speaks for God, once again im only amazed at your obsession.
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 10:24pm On Sep 27, 2015
dalaman:
When you learn how to use your brain to reason things out( instead of stealing people's materials and posting them all over the place without giving them credit like a mindless zombie ) you can come and I will give you a listening ear. Your God idea remains non existent, you the God believer exist and I am interacting with you. The day you give me a perfect description of this elusive and imaginary God idea of yours will be the day I'll assume you have an idea of what you are saying. In fact you actually do not have any idea of what you are saying since all you do is lift the ideas and opinion of others and post them as your own. You can't even use your brain to formulate anything reasonable on your own.
I put my brains to work unlike someone who believes he appeared from thin air.
If God was an idea, you wont be here. Your whole life is centered around God and religion and yet you call it an idea. Dont you need help undecided You wanna see my posts, go to my profile. Why should i waste my time on some dolts who have closed their minds to reason. I decided to check up the profile of the person im arguing with, It does not seem to me that you think of anything other than God and religion. Now take my advise, go sit alone in a quiet place and weep, you've been such a disgrace to yourself.

Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 9:34pm On Sep 27, 2015
Im seriously scared right now, i heard my bank account will be reduced if i'm banned. You must really think i'm a kid.

Nairaland is nothing but one out of many ways of me having fun, I can choose to have fun, i can choose not to.

Hold up, can someone spell out the meaning of the words Insult, provoke to this dolt.

Here it is clearly spelled out.
Please Observe The Following Rules:

2. Don't abuse, bully, deliberately insult/provoke, fight, or wish harm to Nairaland members OR THEIR TRIBES.

The quotes below didnt seem to you like you were breaking any rules.

dalaman:
The guy is completely crazy.
dalaman:
Your confusion and delusion knows no end.
dalaman:
I will just assume you are just one of the nut cases that are just trying to let people notice you.
No God will allow a failure like you to speak on its behalf to anybody.
dalaman:
These guys don't really think through before pouring out their dogma sometimes.
dalaman:
Will you quit this foolishness of yours, who are you to tell me the definition of cursing?
You are just one punny joker, ill take you serious when you quit your bigotry and obsession of a non-existent idea.

Christianity Etc › Re: Quotes From Famous Men About The Bible. by winner01(op): 6:37pm On Sep 27, 2015
Luke 1:1-4
Christianity Etc › Re: Boxer Manny Pacquiao's Faith In Pictures. by winner01(op): 6:34pm On Sep 27, 2015
TheShopKeeper:
As a real boxing fan myself, I find 'The Pacman' to be a very humble guy.
Humility is one of the characteristics of a great man.
Christianity Etc › Re: About John. D. Rockefeller, The Richest Man Ever Since King Solomon by winner01(op): 6:32pm On Sep 27, 2015
PastorOluT:
Dont be, there is something called encountering Christ which when u do u, u will become a wonder unto many n u will not be easily placed cos many would not understand.

NB Ecountering Christ is quite different from being religious, being religious will make u do things for reasons bt encounter makes u 'live' in the things u do even without reasons.
hmmnnn Deep.
Christianity Etc › Re: Satanic Christians [must Read!!!] by winner01(op): 6:29pm On Sep 27, 2015
orisa37:
No, not English. Satanic and Christian are SPIRITUAL words merely explained in common English language. They are not just contradictory words but are very different spirit words, like bad and good used together. They don't synchronise.
Satanic character, Zealous Christians are oxymoron and perfect English language. Like I said above, satan is a spirit, abstract neuter gender, and so is Christian. Jesus was tempted, He remained Righteous Character. Judas was possessed till he became the son of perdition, satanic character and not satanic christian.
grin okay sir.
Christianity Etc › Re: 6 Signs That You Are Being Attacked Spiritually by winner01(op): 6:28pm On Sep 27, 2015
pinkiberry:
I knew it. God punish devil.
lmao
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 5:02pm On Sep 27, 2015
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frank317:
Lol... OK I am mad that's why I am always here. Are u also here because u are mad?

If u believe in the existence of a creator why are u trying to convince urself day and night. If God exists why does he need you to talk for him? Are u God?
Im here because i believe in God. Ask yourself why yur here? Be honest and your life will have a direction.

I'm convinced of God's existence, I only find your obsession amazing and irritating at the same time. Do you expect people to ignore stup1dityundecided??
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m):
dalaman:
I am crying thief because you were caught stealing. Which rule says that an atheist can not contribute to the religious section. Where is it written, you have turned from stealing to lying. Anyway most thieves are liars.
Na yur papa property i steal? undecided Or does this look like academia, journalism or industry
When you realize your obsession for God and religion, You'll see where you broke the rules.

dalaman:
You implied that humans have a reason for existence, I asked you where this reason for existence can be found and is every body not adhering to it and all you can do is cry baa baa baa like a sheep. You are not just deluded but almost insane.
So i should find a physical reason for someone who believes he exists for absolutely no reason. The same mumu believes that all man's creations are for a cause, but man himself has no cause.

You've lost it completely, go get the help you dont deserve.
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 3:35pm On Sep 27, 2015
dalaman:
1. I don't respect stealing in anyway. You are a plagiarist, when next you reason out your own thoughts and opinions and put them forth then I will respond to them, until them I do not respect the opinion of thieves. Stealing according t your bible is a sin so plase stop sinning. You are not even living upto the standard you are claiming.
Why are you crying thief!!! are you enchanted? You speak of rules, you didnt think so when you decided to spew trash on religious section. Going by rules, you arnt meant to be here. Last i checked, Nigerians have a right to freedom of worship. So why the unnecessary obsession with God. When you fuvk off, ill play by the rules.
dalaman:
2. What exactly is the reason for human existence? The muslims say that the reason for humans existence is to gladly submit to the will of Allah as a loyal slave while the Hindus say the reason for human existence is to archive nirvana, why are they wrong? Can you tell me the universally acceptable reason for human existence? Where is it written and why doesn't everybody adhere to it?
Naah, you tell me. Give me a reason why you should exist or why a universe should exist.
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 3:24pm On Sep 27, 2015
frank317:
Watin De pain this one.

I live my life normally, help my young ones and love ones if I am opportuned. Hustle just like u and hope for the best.

You chose to insult me because I don't believe in ur assumption of a creator. Are u mad?

I have deliberately avoided ur mentions becasue u seem to talk a lot yet have made no sense.

But answer me, is such a mad man like u also a representative of the almighty intelligent creator just like Ebuka?

Pls what the hell is wrong with this creator?
You make sense na, rubbish!!!. Dwelling in religion section day and night, go check your brains.

You life is the Creator's handiwork, as long as you are here ill keep pointing that to you.

You speak of what you dont believe everyday of your life, and you no mad? undecided
Your madness na raise to power 10.
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 3:18pm On Sep 27, 2015
dalaman:
Lifting people's materials and not acknowledging is is called plagiarism and it is the same as theft. Stop stealing.

http://www.afa.net/the-stand/christian-persecution/why-is-god-allowing-beheadings/
ehyaa, sorry ehn. Tell that to your lying brother and stop being an impartial sucker. tongue..

Im sure you didnt think you were breaking the rules when you decided to exhibit your foolishness in religious section.

Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 3:06pm On Sep 27, 2015
You are a thief, don't you know that plagiarism is the same as stealing, must you steal in order to defend some elusive and imaginary God? Next time make sure you post the link to where you steal your materials.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html. This is where you stole all what you wrote down. I will not respond to it since it isn't your own thoughts. I will rather respond to the person that wrote it directly. I won't honor you with a respons when you steal people's materials and post them as yours.[/quote]Foolishness!!!!...Show some more cos thats what y'all are good at.

Sorry ehn, Pardon me but I didnt hear you cry foul when your fellow anti-theist lied about being a christian. Dont then be too upbeat about references in an informal context.
You dont need to respond, Aheists run when shown their folly, run away and never come back.
dalaman:
Your picture is complete thrash because it is not God or nothing, there is the option of I don't know which is the most sincere and true option, because the reality is no one really knows. You have just been defending the opinion of others and presenting them as if they are factual. Saying that man must be a coincidence is your own making an assumption, [b]I do not know
so I have no position of how man came about, until studies are don and the verifiable truth is established, I am very OK with I do not know.

What exactly is the reason for man? It all depend of what reason you chose to ascribe to man because man has no reason in reality, to the Hindu man's reason for existence is to archive nirvana, to the muslims man's reason for existence is to submit to the will of Allah as a loyal slave, to the christian man's reason is to achieve salvation through believing in Jesus, to the hedonist, man's reason is to achieve all the pleasure he can achieve. There is no universal reason for man's existence. it all depends on what you make of it.
The picture makes sense to those who choose to make use of their brains, im not surprised at your gibberish.
@ bolded, By all means, gladly continue in ignorance. When next you seek for knowlegdge, dont read. Just believe that you're here and like every other irrelevant object, live and die.
Its not enough You dont know, you need other people not to know with you. Now you've created for yourself a religion, open your eyes, you will see.
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 2:51pm On Sep 27, 2015
frank317:
Pls don't make fun of me oh wise representative of the creator. I don't wanna cry no more
Blah,blah,blah, when will you make sense. You are because a Creator is. Its that simple...Or, tell us what you believe exactly. That man just appeared from nothing?

You've always cried foul about God and religion, why should you stop now.
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 2:41pm On Sep 27, 2015
shiinihost:
you are the one not being honest here bro. This is a discourse, and you already entered it with a made up mind. That is why i want to be sure of what made you believe absolutely that God does exist.
Please think befor typing, ill like people to check my first post and yours to see who was more objective. You made up your mind to lie or what undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 2:39pm On Sep 27, 2015
frank317:
Lol... out of words right? Alright its time u stop emarassing yourself Mr. Ebuka.

Seriously... Do u actually think you are a representative of the almighty creator? Sorry by what qualification did he select you? I bet he must be covering his face in shame.
I would call you an animal cos you evolved from one, (of course you might not believe). I would call you nothing cos you came from nothing, maybe you dont believe that too.
You are an embarassment to humanity. You believe you have no essence, purpose, cause. How much can y'all sound any more insane
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 2:29pm On Sep 27, 2015
shiinihost:
Yes, i am a christian by birth. But i need more than birth to remain a christian. I need concrete answers that would solidify my faith in God and His existence. (notice i always refer Him with a Capital H)

I want to be sure that i'm not taken for a ride by some elitist conspiracy.
If truly you are honest, you would show it.
If you are showing it honestly and im not seeing it, then you are doing it very unintelligently.. You might need to read up your posts and see your "honesty". Seems to me like you've already made up yoir mind. Be honest, you'll find answers.
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 2:25pm On Sep 27, 2015
shiinihost:
prove a thing to me without referring back to the bible. Pretend that i've not heard about the bible for once, or even Christianity.
I would thump you logically, but you initiated christianity and scriptures, Dalaman did too. Thats why i used scriptures. So try again, you might be lucky next time.
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 2:21pm On Sep 27, 2015
dalaman:
Can you demonstrate how something can exist outside time?
[b]Your question should be "can you explain" not "can you demonstrate". Its like asking you to demonstrate how man came into existence. It makes no sense.

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth ( Genesis 1:1 ). (Time was created)

This verse tells us that God was acting before time when He created the universe. Many other verses from the New Testament tell us that God was acting before time began, and so, He created time, along with the other dimensions of our universe:

No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom
that has been hidden and that God destined for our
glory before time began. (1 Corinthians 2:7 )

This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the
beginning of time (2 Timothy 1:9 )

The hope of eternal life, which God... promised
before the beginning of time (Titus 1:2 )

To the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ
our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority,
before all time and now and forever. Amen. (Jude
1:25 )

Justin Martyr, a second century Christian apologist, in his Hortatory Address to the Greeks, said that Plato got the idea that time was created along with the universe from Moses:

"And from what source did Plato draw the information that time was created along with the heavens? For he wrote thus: 'Time, accordingly, was created along with the heavens; in order that, coming into being together, they might also be together dissolved, if ever their dissolution should take place.' Had he not learned this from the divine history of Moses?"

Since we live in a universe of cause and effect, we naturally assume that this is the only way in which any kind of existence can function. However, the premise is false. Without the dimension of time, there is no cause and effect, and all things that could exist in such a realm would have no need of being caused, but would have always existed.

Therefore God has no need of being created, but, in fact, created the time dimension of our universe specifically for a reason - so that cause and effect would exist for us. However, since God created time, cause and effect would never apply to His existence.

God exists in more than one dimension of time. Things that exist in one dimension of time are restricted to time's arrow and are confined to cause and effect. However, two dimensions of time form a plane of time, which has no beginning and no end and is not restricted to any single direction. A being that exists in at least two dimensions of time can travel anywhere in time and yet never had a beginning, since a plane of time has no starting point.

The idea that God can be eternal leads some people to the idea that maybe the universe is eternal, and, therefore, God doesn't need to exist at all.
Actually, this was the prevalent belief of atheists before the observational data of the 20th century strongly refuted the idea that the universe was eternal. This fact presented a big dilemma for atheists, since a non-eternal universe implied that it must have been caused.
Maybe Genesis 1:1 was correct! Not to be dismayed by the facts, atheists have invented some metaphysical "science" that attempts to explain away the existence of God.

Hence, most atheistic cosmologists believe that we see only the visible part of a much larger "multiverse" that randomly spews out universes with different physical parameters. Since there is no evidence supporting this idea (nor can there be, according to the laws of the universe), it is really just a substitute "god" for atheists.

And, since this "god" is non-intelligent by definition, it requires a complex hypothesis, which would be ruled out if we use Occam's razor, which states that one should use the simplest logical explanation for any phenomenon. Purposeful intelligent design of the universe makes much more sense, especially based upon what we know about the design of the universe.

When Stephen Hawking, George Ellis, and Roger Penrose extended the equations for general relativity to include space and time, the results showed that time has a beginning - at the moment of creation (i.e., the Big Bang). In fact, many professors make such a claim - that the universe had a beginning and that this beginning marked the beginning of time.
Such assertions support the Bible's claim that time began at the creation of the universe.
God has no need to have been created, since He exists either outside time (where cause and effect do not operate) or within multiple dimensions of time (such that there is no beginning of God's plane of time). Hence God is eternal, having never been created.

Although it is possible that the universe itself is eternal, eliminating the need for its creation, observational evidence contradicts this hypothesis, since the universe began to exist a finite 13.8 billion years ago. The only possible escape for the atheist is the invention of a kind of super universe, which can never be confirmed experimentally (hence it is metaphysical in nature, and not scientific). [/b]
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 2:06pm On Sep 27, 2015
shiinihost:
I'm an open minded Christian. That I'm a Christian shouldn't make me closeminded and stupid. If Christ wasn't inquisitive, there wouldn't have been Christianity.
Christ was honest, you are just a sneaky mischievious liar
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 2:02pm On Sep 27, 2015
shiinihost:
why won't He just prove to us that He exists,
You make a terrible liar, You dishonesty is really something. This is someone who claims to be christian. What did you mean by "us" if i may ask. So you were willing to go to any length to make people believe that you are a "honest christian seeking answers". You really need help.
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 1:57pm On Sep 27, 2015
shiinihost:
handle? That's a strong world. I Don't think you have what it takes. you keep going round in circles, dribbling yourself and discreetly accepting your ignorance. You've not made a single viable point here.
Your meaningless back and forth brought you here. As a matter of fact, dishonesty is seen all over your comments. Be honest, seek God in truth, you'll find him

@bolded. Tell me, how do i make sense to you when you've closed your mind to reason, its like trying to make sense to the insane
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 1:57pm On Sep 27, 2015
dalaman:
1. The bible supports all kinds of things, it supports rape, murder, slavery, pillage, wars, sexism and all sorts of vices that is why there are many different sects all using the bible according to their beliefs and opinion. Stop talking about the bible as it it has a clear and universal doctrine. It does not, it is just a book that is scattered and can be used to support anything depending on the opinion of the reader.
[b]It is estimated that there are today over 27 million people in the world who are subject to slavery: forced labor, sex trade, inheritable property, etc. As those who have been redeemed from the slavery of sin, followers of Jesus Christ are the foremost champions of ending human slavery in the world today.

Now the Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. But it gives instructions on how slaves should be treated ( Deuteronomy 15:12-15 ; Ephesians 6:9 ; Colossians 4:1 ).

What you fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was based more on economics; it was a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.

The slavery of the past few centuries was often based exclusively on skin color. In the United States, many black people were considered slaves because of their nationality; many slave owners truly believed black people to be inferior human beings. The Bible condemns race-based slavery in that it teaches that all men are created by God and made in His image Genesis 1:27. At the same time, the Old Testament did allow for economic- based slavery and regulated it. The key issue is that the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.

In addition, both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of “man-stealing,” which is what happened in Africa in the 19th century. Africans were rounded up by slave-hunters, who sold them to slave-traders, who brought them to the New World to work on plantations and farms.
This practice is abhorrent to God. In fact, the penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” Exodus 21:16.

Similarly, in the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are “ungodly and sinful” and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers (1 Timothy 1:8–10 ).

The Bible is to point the way to salvation, not to reform society. The Bible often approaches issues from the inside out. If a person experiences the love, mercy, and grace of God by receiving His salvation, God will reform his soul, changing the way he thinks and acts. A person who has experienced God’s gift of salvation and freedom from the slavery of sin, as God reforms his soul, will realize that enslaving another human being is wrong. He will see, with Paul, that a slave can be “a brother in the Lord” ( Philemon 1:16 ). A person who has truly experienced God’s grace will in turn be gracious towards others. That would be the Bible’s prescription for ending slavery.

As for murder, In order for God to commit murder, He would have to act “unlawfully.” We must recognize that God is God. “His works are perfect, and all His ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is He” (Deuteronomy 32:4 ; Psalm 11:7 ; 90:9 ). He created man and expects obedience

(Exodus 20:4-6 ; Exodus 23:21 ; 2 John 1:6 ). When man takes it upon himself to disobey God, he faces God’s wrath (Exodus 19:5 ; Exodus 23:21-22 ; Leviticus 26:14-18 ). Furthermore, “God is a just judge, and God is angry with the wicked every day.

Nowhere in Scripture can we find where God killed “innocent” people. In fact, compared to God’s holiness, there is no such thing as an “innocent” person. All have sinned (Romans 3:23 ), and the penalty for sin is death ( Romans 6:23a ). God has “just cause” to wipe us all out; the fact that He doesn’t is proof of His mercy.

Until the final judgment, there is always mercy to be found. Every person dies in God’s own time (Hebrews 9:27 ; Genesis 3:19 ). Jesus holds the keys of death (Revelation 1:18 ). Ill ask you; Does the fact that everyone experiences physical death make God a “killer”? In the sense that He could prevent all death, yes. He allows us to die. But He is no murderer. Death is part of the human experience because we brought it into the world ourselves (Romans 5:12 ). One day, as John Donne put it, “Death shall be no more; death, thou shalt die.” God, in His grace, has conquered death for those who are in Christ, and one day that truth will be fully realized: “The last enemy to be subdued and abolished is death” (1 Corinthians 15:26 ).
God is faithful to His word. He will destroy the wicked, and He holds “the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment” (2 Peter 2:9 ). But He has also promised that “the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” ( Romans 6:23b ). [/b]
dalaman:
2. Your picture is clearly thrash because I have never claimed that the universe created us or that if you throw grains sand into the air it will turn into a living being. Can you show me where any athiest here on naira land has ever made such a claim? You are obviously obtuse and not sound enough with this kind of ridiculous logic you are bandying.
Just the answer i expected. Gibberish!!!
My picture aint trash, it only hit you where you didnt expect. There's no God according to you, man must have been a great coincidence, then answer the question.

@bolded, thats a stup1d question cos you people claim not to believe in anything. Y'all are so empty. What then is the reason for man. Be sensible please.
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 1:56pm On Sep 27, 2015
shiinihost:
pastor chris, TD Jake's, oyedepo, TB joshua all bring up non scriptural concepts?

Like seriously? Even the Catholic doctrines are also rubbished by holy spirit inspired Christians. So who then are we to believe?


This is the main reason Why I do not go to church.
Man failed you, not God. Hece the reason you stopped going to church. You stopped in your quest to know more about God and at the same time ruminating on devilish ideologies. You have shown you are easily swayed. Stand your ground in your quest for God, you will find Him.
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m):
shiinihost:
I'm a Catholic. All your arguments.

A complex universe didn't come by itself, right? How come a complex God that made that universe just puffed out of nothing?

Like a Ferrari.... a super car....can it just be made by a JSS 1 naija guy? no it must be made my an even super team of engineers. and those engineers didn't just sleep and wake up super engineers.
"That you cannot prove God's non-existence is accepted and trivial, if only in the sense that we can never absolutely prove the non-existence of anything. What matters isnt whether God is disproveable, BUT WHETHER HIS EXISTENCE IS PROBABLE." - Richard Dawkins.

I say and will always say, probe your existence first before that of the Creator. Its senseless when people say God came out of nothing "Hell probe your existence first!!. If there was really a Creator, did you think your created senses could ever probe His existence... Be objective here.
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 1:55pm On Sep 27, 2015
shiinihost:
If all these men are false prophets, who then are the real prophets? No matter the doctrine you put out, you must find at least one Christian that would use the same bible and the same holy spirit to disprove you. If the Bible is the word of God, is the word of God confused?
The word of God is not confused, people are. Just as you are confused if catholicism is the way. People justify evil even without the Bible, An armed robber may tell you he's into it cos of unemployment, afterall Nigerian leaders also steal our money. There is no justification for evil.
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 1:54pm On Sep 27, 2015
dalaman:
1. The majority of the people that believe in the Gods believe in different Gods and Goddesses. All of which depend on the place and family you are born into. Your God is a false God according to the beliefs of other people. Belief has nothing to do with reality and reality does not depend of what people believe neither does it also depend on the number of people that believe in anything. At a time most people believe that evil spirits causes diseases until someone discovered that diseases were caused by mindless microscopic organisms. Most people also believed the earth was the center of the universe until a single person against all odds showed people that they were wrong. Reality has nothing to do with belief, because about a 1.7 billion muslims believe that if you take pebbles and stone some elusive devil in Mecca you will prosper in all you do, but does the reality we see around us agree with that belief? Reality has nothing to do with numbers.
[b]The Bible refers to many other gods. When satan fell with his angels, what did you expectundecided.

Ill like to agree that people tend to believe what works for them. Take for example;
Buddhists – agnostic about God.
Hindus – millions of Gods.
Islam – Jesus is NOT God.
Christianity centres on Jesus and his divinity.
I say Don’t seek what works, seek what is true.

How do we now know which is true, we need to sift the evidence, to see if a case can be made. Of all the perspectives, Christianity is based upon truth and argument and evidence. How is it then different from the other systems.
Take for example;
Islam; What if Mohammed was lying? You either accept it or reject it. There is no evidence gor his revelation.
Christianity; Over 40 authors, from different centuries, some of which did not even know themselves, would have had to be lying.

Of all the leaders in the world, Jesus alone claimed that he was God himself and backed that up with miracles and rising from the dead. If those things happened, then my quest, our quest for God stops with him.
So the question you should ask is: Are the New Testament documents historically reliable?

You can read up Luke 1:1-4. Luke's intention was to record accurate history. Why should we believe that he did. Whenever we put the New Testament to the test archaeologically, it has been confirmed over and over again. We have been able to verify many details that are merely incidental. Legend isn't like this. Eg. the pools at Bethesaida [ John 5:2 ].

I know christianity is true cos;
-Because Christianity Teaches the Correct Worldview
-Because the Bible is God’s Word
-Because Jesus Confirmed His Claims
-Because of the Resurrection
-Because I and many others have drawn an inference from findings. [/b]
dalaman:
2. Which of their inventions or discoveries has anything to do with God? Where does your God mention gravity in his story book? A lot of Islamic, Hindus, Buddhist etc also made scientific discoveries that also had nothing to do with their religious beliefs. Science has nothing to do with any God. They did not read any part of the bible before they discovered anything, in fact all the things they discovered had nothing to do with all the myths and fiction written inside the bible. You think if the writes of the bible knew anything about gravity they wouldn't have included it inside their creation mythology?
[b]"He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing." Job 26:7 NIV

"He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, [and] hangeth the earth upon nothing." Job 26:7 KJV

This verse is indicative that the earth was suspended in space [i.e., gravity and "hanging upon nothing"] as opposed to being held upon the shoulders of Atlas, or carried on the backs of giant elephants or raised up on pilars and/or other mythological beliefs about the Cosmos that were present during this time frame. (About 2 millenium BCE)

"The earth [is] the LORD'S, and the fullness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein." Psalm 24:1 KJV
While the NIV has rendered it, "and everything in it" generally "fullness" was accepted (by some explanatory texts) as not only to mean inclusive of all life, but of a round earth ("Full"wink as opposed to being a flat earth, as was the traditional belief for centuries in succession to this.

Gravity is a physical law referenced throughout the entire Bible. I could give you a hundred verses that agrees with the laws of gravity if you want. [/b]
dalaman:
3. Which creator are you talking about? My creator is Brahma, can you show that to be false?
Some believe their god to be a fish, some water, some objects. Man may find just anything to idolize, Its still a result of demonic posession. In the Bible, God's people found something to idolize which led moses to break the 10 commandments.
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 1:52pm On Sep 27, 2015
dalaman:
But reality shows that they are powerful against the children of God. How many christians have muslims kill and are still killing regularly in the name of Islam? Where is Jehovah to save them despite their cries and pleas unto him for help and protection? That aside, according to them it is your own God that is the false one, go and read their own religious scriptures.
[b]That question was asked severally in the Bible. I want you to realize that the christian walk is not an easy walk just as there is no easy way to success.

Just as christians love to quote bible verses for protection, they tend to suppress other scriptures which are equally relevant and point us toward walking down a road that none of us who are sane want to travel, the path of suffering.
Paul learned this when he said; "For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake" (Acts 9:16). 2 Timothy 2:12 tells us that "If we suffer, we shall also reign with him."
There is more to God than just wanting to rescue us from everything so that it all goes our way all the time. "For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God" ( 1 Pet. 2:20 ).

God wants us to learn from suffering and He wants to strengthen us through it. "But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;" (1 Peter 3:14 ).

A christian's attitude is supposed to change from one of fear and avoidance to that of embracing the suffering before us.
As Christians, God does not promise to preserve our physical bodies during our earthly lives unless it serves His purposes and allows us to accomplish His will for us. The suffering in our paths can only hurt us so much. We may die physically, but only God has charge over our soul and He has promised to preserve our souls.
Most times when suffering is in front of us, we naturally look for a way out of it, you will agree that there is no way out, Christians are actually to run toward it and accept it as part of His plan for us.
Now that is where it is hard to understand again, to accept that God allows us to be killed, even beheaded. However, Christ went down that road, "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:" (1 Pet. 3:18).
We all want to be Christ-like, but most of the time that means only in ways we agree with or want.
Christ made it clear although that if we want to be like Him, we will have suffering, not possibly, but will. That just goes against the grain of what many Christian churches m teach nowadays. Jesus Christ explained to those who said they were following Him that He was their food and they did not understand because they did not want to understand. "When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not.

A sound christian fears no evil, not even death. The carnal man sees death as the ultimate, we see it as a transition into glory.

"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."-(matt 10:28) [/b]
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 10:00am On Sep 27, 2015
shiinihost:
dude I'm a Catholic seeking to solidify my faith.....That's If it's worth it.
you're seeking to solidify religion. Ill handle you and the others when i return from service.
Christianity Etc › Re: Your God Is Too Small by winner01(m): 9:25am On Sep 27, 2015
shiinihost:
The road that leads to destruction is wide, vast and smooth.

That many people believe a concept doesn't make it true. Almost the whole world used to believe that the earth is flat.

All what I see from your arguments are pre-concieved ignorance. I'm a Christian But you are really not presenting sensible dissertation to this dialogue.
The devil posed as a pro-God friend to Eve. So tell us what we need to know.

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