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Abuamam:
Practically everything you put up there is faulty; but since you used the phrase "I believe..." consistently, I felt that perhaps those beliefs would be based on events that you wished to discuss. However, since you do not wish to summarize your post and get answers, and since you seem only to want to glory in the "no one can answer my post" delusion, there is no need to continue this conversation. Peace.

*unfollows thread*

everything!!!, lol, dont make me laugh...God will eventually open your eyes.

Abuamam:
Lol. You are allowed to believe that you know more than me; many xtians tend to hold that unmerited assumption. I am not going to drag over who "knows" more about Islam.

The fact is that your initial post is 4 pages long. If I were to repost each of your assertions along with a 2 or 3 sentence refutation, how long will my own response be? Simple Mathematics.

Pick what you believe is your most unassailable point there, and I will, insha Allah, show you where you went wrong.

im not a xtian, im a christian....why dont you pick wherever you choose to fault, lol , no one has been able to fault it either..

Abuamam:
No facts here. You merely pointed out your views and opinions; which are in error. The upside for you is that your post is too long and ut will be tedious to respond to it.

i know a lot more than you in islam bro, you cant fault the post not because it is too long but because it is the fact. truth is bitter they say...God bless you.

ammyluv2002:
OP, i don't think it's right to condemn other religions even when Our Lord Jesus Christ was on earth He didn't condemn anybody so why do it? All, you need to do is to lead people to Christ and not condemning what they practice. Remember, it's only the spirit that waters. The write up isn't bad but the topic sends false alarm #my opinion tho

im simply pointing out facts my sister, i preach to my muslim family and friends the same way.

14 ONLY THE PRETENDER NEEDS TO PROVE HIMSELF
The true creator does not need to prove
himself as the creator.
A pretender needs to prove himself to
mankind.
I believe Satan is pretending to be the
creator.
Satan is using the pagan idol named Allah to
represent himself as the creator.
This explains why the five pillars of Islam is
so important to Satan. In order to qualify for
salvation, a believer in Islam is required to recite
the creed that there is only one creator named Allah
and that Muhammad is his messenger. Moreover it is
also a requirement to pay homage by worshipping
not once but five times a day to Allah in the Salat
ritual prayers. It is also a requirement to go on a
pilgrimage to Mecca to perform the ritual of
obeisance to Allah, including the cutting of a blood
covenant with Allah at least once in a lifetime.
The status of salvation of a believer in Allah
is insecure. It is dependent on his effort to perform
the rituals required by the five pillars of Islam.
On the other hand, I believe the true
creator, El-Elyon does not need anyone to pay
homage to Him. I believe that He remains almighty
whether people worship Him or not. I believe my
maker is absolutely holy and there is no way I can
even come close to His holiness and achieve
salvation by my own efforts.
It is only by His mercy in sending His only
Son, Jesus, to redeem me that I am given a chance
to have salvation. All I need to do is believe in
Jesus as my savior.
15 THE GOOD NEWS OF GRACE
I believe Jesus is the Son of El-Elyon. Once
I believe in Jesus, I become His sibling, and El-Elyon
becomes my father (Abba) and I receive and accept
permanent and irrevocable right standing and
salvation forever (Galatians 3:26-27).
Abba will send the Holy Spirit (Paraclete) to
dwell within me and guide me to focus on Jesus in
my decisions. The Holy Spirit will never leave me
nor forsake me forever.
Abba will not insist that I worship Him five
times a day nor will he require me to go on a
pilgrimage to Jerusalem in order to maintain right
standing with Him and to preserve my salvation.
I worship my maker because I am grateful
for His mercy and grace for saving me even though
I do not deserve to be saved (Romans 3:23).
I praise Him and pay homage to Him
because I want to do so, not because I have to do
so.
I believe I will never lose my status as the
beloved of my Abba (Father) forever no matter what
I do or don’t do after I have accepted Jesus Christ
as my Lord and Savior (Romans 3:22 ).

11 THE BASE ALLURE OF ISLAM
It is easy to be converted to Islam. All a person is
required to do is to declare the creed openly.
It appears that actual believing is not
necessarily required.
It is easy to appear to be a Muslim.
All a person is required to do is to perform
the Salat, the five times a day prayer, fast for one
month in a year, give alms to the poor and attempt
to go for the Hajj once in his lifetime. This would
assure the person of acceptance by Allah.
It is interesting that the performance of the
five pillars of Islam would guarantee salvation from
Allah and that a Muslim can do any dastardly act
and yet qualify to go to Paradise. How very
‘liberating’.
Islam appeals to the ‘animal’ desires of men.
Believers are allowed up to four wives at a
time.
During Jihad, the Muta marriage law
legitimizes rape by permitting the Muslim to ‘marry’ a
woman for three days on presenting her with a
piece of cloth.
The Muslin concept of Paradise panders to
the sexual lust of men. They recline on beds
interwoven with gold, supplied with unlimited limpid
drink, fruits and flesh of fowl and wide-eyed houris
(heavenly concubines) , like hidden pearls, as a
reward for what they do (Al Qur’an Sura 56, verses
15-24).
Muhammad was reported to have said, “ There
is in Paradise a market, wherein there will be no
buying or selling, but will consist of men and
women. When a man will desire a beauty, he will
have intercourse with them.” Reported by Ali and
attested by Tirmizi (Al Hadis, Book 4, Chap 42, no. 34).
In Paradise, a man will be able to see the
unclothedness of a woman through seventy layers of
dresses (no 652).
It is clear that sexual lust is the uppermost
consideration in the eyes of Muhammad.
The only way a woman can get to heaven is
by marrying a Muslim man. This way she can
‘enjoy’ seeing her husband having sexual intercourse
with innumerable young women from the market of
virgins, and ‘enjoy’ having other men looking
through her clothing at her unclothedness.
Participating in Jihad is attractive because the
martyr is immediately transferred to Paradise to have
sexual intercourse with virgins. If the warrior does
not die, he has the spoils (booty) to enjoy.
Why don’t women reject this discrimination
against them?
By participating in the rituals of obeisance to
the pagan idol named Allah, they become demon
possessed and thus become blind to reason and truth.
12 THE QUR’AN IS NOT PERFECT
By definition, the Qur’an is the complete
collection of the revelations to Muhammad by the
angel Gabriel from Allah. It is claimed that it is the
same today as it was handed down by Muhammad
to his companions. This is offered as proof that the
Qur’an must be the word of God.
However, from the various Hadith ( Bukhari,
Muslim, Mishkat-ul-masbih), that from the start, the
Qur’an had many varied and conflicting readings. The
choice and method of standardization was not by
divine intervention but by the work of man.
The Caliph Uthman, noting that there were
many versions of the Qur’an, called for the copy
belonging to Hafsah (one of the wives of Muhammad
and daughter of Umar), and had it copied and
distributed throughout the Islamic realm and had all
other versions destroyed by burning.
There is evidence that this ‘Revised Standard
Version’ was not perfect. Sura 33, verse 23 was
initially missing, and the readings on stoning for
adultery is still not included in the Qu’ran (Ibn Ishaq,
Sirat Rasulullah, pg 684).
If every word in the Qur’an is supposed to
be the inspired of Allah, then why are Jewish
folklore included in it?
The story of the raven scratching on the
ground in the story of Cain and Abel ( Surah 5,
verse 31. & Pirke Rabbi Eliezer Chapter 21).
The killing of one human being as equivalent
to killing all mankind ( Surah 5, verse 32. & Mishnah,
Sanhedrin Chapter 4, verse 5).
The story of Abraham being thrown into a
fiery furnace (Surah 21, verses 52-70 & Midrash
Rabbah, where the Ur of Chaldees was mistaken for Or
(fire) of Chaldees
13 THE QUR’AN IS DEMON INSPIRED
I believe The Qur’an contains material that is
demon inspired.
There are prophecies and insights contained
in the Qur’an and the Sunnah which cannot be
explained by human intelligence at the time they
were written. These have been proffered as evidence
for the claim that the Qur’an was divinely inspired.
These include the prophecy on the victory of
the Byzantines over the Persians within nine years
after their initial loss, as well as insights on
scientific knowledge, viz. the description on the
joining and stacking of clouds, the role of hailstones
in the formation of lightning, mountains as pegs, the
darkness in the deep sea, the waves inside the ocean,
the partition of seas and estuaries, the snow age, the
rotation and orbiting of the earth, the origin of the
universe through smoke, pain sensation from burn,
the front of the brain as responsible for lying and
the early development of the human embryo.
I believe when Lucifer was cast down to
earth together with his fallen angels, he became
known as Satan, the accuser of the brethren.
Because these fallen angels are spirit and unable to
effect change on earth except through spirit
possession of human beings, they have perfected the
skill of possessing people’s minds and invented the
concept of reincarnation to deceive people into
accepting their repeated possession of people.
There is no reincarnation of the original
spirits of people which are from El-Elyon, the true
creator. There is only repeated spirit possession of
people by the spirits of fallen angels (demonic spirits)
which is their ‘reincarnation’.
I believe the original El-Elyon given spirit is
given at conception, after the sperm enters the egg
and they fuse to become another new, distinct and
unique individual.
Demon possession can occur any time after
conception. I believe that the possessing demon is
able to retain memory of its experience in the body
of the possessed person. Hence the knowledge of the
early development of the embryo. This knowledge
was revealed to Muhammad by the demon which
possessed him. Hence knowledge of human anatomy
and function can also be accounted for.
I believe the demons inhabit the realm of
principalities and powers, which include the air, sea
and earth (Ephesians 2:2) Hence their knowledge of
the geological, meteorological and astronomical
phenomena.
Their objective is to impress mankind and
deceive us into believing that this knowledge is from
the creator. Again, deception, the signature of Satan,
is seen.
What about prophecy? Even the evil Balaam
was able to prophesy.
What about the miracles like splitting the
moon and producing water from his hand ? Even
Hindu yogis have been reported to perform
miraculous acts. I believe the power to do this is
demonic

9 A TREE IS JUDGED BY ITS FRUIT
A good tree will bear good fruit and a bad
tree will bear bad fruit (Matthew 7:17-18).
Let us see what fruit Muhammad bore after
his spirit was possessed by Satan.
Before his exposure to the demon at the cave
at Hira, Muhammad was reported to be a peaceful
man with one wife.
However after his call by Allah, he started to
indulge in deception, highway robbery, banditry, rape
and killing.
When Muhammad was 49 years old, a few
weeks after the death of his first wife Khadija in 619
AD, Muhammad married Sauda bint Zamaa who was
a widow and about 30 years of age.
When Muhammad was 53 years of age, he
married Aisha bint abi Bakr in 623 AD, when she
was still a 9 year old child!
When Muhammad was 55 years of age, he
married Hafsa bint Umar ibn al Khattab in 625 AD.
She was a young 17 year old widow.
In the same year, Muhammad married Zainab
bint Khuzaima, a twice widow, but she died a few
months after the marriage.
Muhammad’s sixth wife was Umm Salama, a
widow of about age 30.
Muhammad married his own cousin, Zainab
bint Jahash. She was also the divorced wife of his
adopted son, Zaid ibn Haritha.
At the age of 57 years, in April 627 AD,
Muhammad ‘married’ his Jewess prisoner Rahaina
bint Amr, after executing all the adult males of a
Jewish tribe Beni Quraidha, including her father. It
is interesting that Muhammad had sexual intercourse
with his prisoner before her next menses, contrary
to his own rule regarding sexual intercourse with
captured women.
In January 628 AD, at the age of 58,
Muhammad raided the tribe of Beni Mustaliq and
captured and ‘married’ Juwairiya , the daughter of
the chief of that tribe.
In the same year, Umm Habeeba bint abi
Sofian, a widow became his tenth wife.
After his followers raided Kheibar and killed
Kinana ibn abi al Huqaiq, its Jewish leader, they
captured his wife, Safiya bint Huyai ibn al Akhtab,
whom Muhammad conveniently ‘married’.
Maimoona bint al Harith married
Muhammad when he was 59 years of age.
Muhammad’s thirteenth and last marriage was
to Mary a Christian slave girl given to Muhammad
by the ‘ruler’ of Egypt.
Interestingly, although Muhammad pronounced
that a believer of Allah can have only up to four
wives at a time, he himself had a special divine
dispensation to exceed that number.
After his escape from Mecca to Medina,
Muhammad commenced a series of bloody raids on
the caravans from Mecca in order to capture booty.
Interestingly, according to Muhammad, this
activity was sanctioned by Allah as Jihad and one
fifth of the booty goes to Allah (Khumus). Call it
what you may but I consider it as highway robbery
all the same. The raids progressively became bolder
and included raids on neighboring settlements and
tribes.
After the siege of Medina failed, Muhammad
settled old scores by capturing the settlement of the
Jewish tribe Beni Quraidha who had sided with the
pagan Meccans. He robbed them of all their
property, sold their women and children as slaves,
and he executed all the adult males who numbered
between 700 and 800. This effectively exterminated
the entire tribe.
It appears that for Muhammad, the end
justifies the means, even the use of deception.
While he was busily insisting that there is
only one god, Allah, he found it appropriate to
deceive the pagan Meccans by stating the Al-Lat, Al
Uzza and Manat the popular female idols of the
Ka’ba can be prayed to for intercession to Allah (Sura
53).
After he became more powerful, he deleted
these embarrassing verses by giving the convenient
excuse as well as an admission that they were
inspired by Satan.
I believe this occurrence enormously increases
the probability that the entire Qur’an and Hadith
were inspired by Satan for the deception of mankind.
10 THE FIVE PILLARS OF DEMONIC ISLAM
The first pillar is the testimony of faith .
This is to declare that Allah is the one and only
creator god and Muhammad is his Apostle.
As was already pointed out, the name Allah
actually denotes the name of a pagan idol. Declaring
this testimony of faith is tantamount to declaring
belief in a pagan idol, allowing the demon who has
possessed that idol free rein to possess whosoever
declares this testimony.
I believe Muhammad is truly the apostle of
the pagan idol Allah and it’s possessing demon,
whom I believe to be none other than Satan himself.
The second pillar is the ritual prayer Salat ,
which is the five times a day obeisance in the
direction of the Ka’ba in Mecca ( Qibla).
This involves several rakaa or repetitions of
obeisance.
The Islamic believer’s hands are raised and
he says “Allah is most great ”, the hands are the
joined at the chest and the worshipper says, “ Glory
be to You, O Allah, Yours is the praise, blessed is
Your Name, exalted is Your Majesty and there is no
god but You. I take refuge with Allah against the
devil who is stoned.” Then the Fatiha or opening
chapter of the Qur’an is recited.
Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds (ie
the whole creation),
The Compassionate, the Merciful,
Master of the day of judgement,
Only You do we worship, and only You do
we implore for help.
Lead us to the right path,
The path of those you have favoured
Not those who have incurred Your wrath or
have gone astray.
The worshipper then recites a chapter of the
Qur’an of his choice and the says, “Allah is most
great” and then bows from the waist, with the
palms of his hand on his knees, saying three times,
“Glory to my Lord, the Great”.
The worshipper then stands and says, “Allah
hears him who praises Him. O Lord, Yours is the
praise.”
He then falls to his knees and bends his
body forwards with his forehead touching the ground,
repeating thee times, “Glory to my Lord, the Most
High.”
He then straightens up his body while still in
the kneeling position, and sits on his heels for a
few moments and the repeats the prostration with
his forehead to the ground.
He then stands up in completion of the
Rakaa. The Rakaa is repeated, the number of times
varies on different occasions.
I believe this ritual of obeisance to the pagan
idol Allah, repeated five times a day, ensures the
demon possessing the idol to be invited to control
the mind and spirit of the deceived worshipper.
I now understand why it is required for
believers in Islam to repeat this obeisance five times
a day. It is necessary in order to edify the effete
idol and the demon which possesses it, as well as to
ensure that the worshipper remains obedient to the
demonic possessing spirit without questioning.
I also understand why believers of Islam are
commanded to recite the Qur’an rather than to study
the Qur’an. To study means to dissect and analyze. I
believe that analysis of the Qur’an will reveal
numerous inconsistencies that will generate doubt in
the truth of Islam.
The third pillar of Islam is giving zakat
(alms to the poor) . I believe this reflects
Mammad’s orphan beginnings. Moreover, charity lends
an air of social acceptability and legitimacy.
The fourth pillar of Islam is the annual fast
in the month of Ramadan . Depriving oneself of
sustenance on command is an act of obedience and
subservience.
I believe, once a year, believers of Islam
rededicate themselves to acknowledging, in a very
tangible and personal way, that the pagan idol
named Allah is their master.
It is interesting to note that in Hebrew,
‘master’ is ‘baal’.
The fifth pillar of Islam is the Hajj or
pilgrimage to Mecca .
It is recommended that a believer in Islam
perform the Hajj at least once in his lifetime.
I believe that this pilgrimage is a further act
of obeisance to the pagan idol, named Allah.
The Hajj, as practiced by believers of Islam
today, appears to be a re-enactment of Muhammad’s
last pilgrimage on 9 March 632 AD. The ceremonies
included the wearing of special pilgrim dress, the
travel from Medina (Yathrib) to Mecca, the ritual
throwing of stones at the devil at Mudzalifa, the
slaughtering of sacrificial animals at Mina, and the
seven time circumambulation of the Ka’ba.
I believe that every detail of the ceremony as
laid down by Muhammad has a demonic significance.
The ritual throwing of stones at the devil is
a deceptive ploy to dupe the believer of Islam that
mere stone throwing will hurt a demon.
The slaughtering of sacrificial animals is to
mimic the story of Abraham and the cutting of the
covenant between El-Elyon and Abraham, in order to
lend legitimacy to Islam.
However, I believe with the shedding of
innocent blood in this sacrifice, a blood covenant is
being cut between the pagan idol, named Allah and
the unsuspecting pilgrim.
The Ka’ba was a pagan shrine to 360 idols
even before Muhammad was born. It was originally
a four walled building containing pictures and stone
idols.
In one of its walls is a stone, believed to be
a meteorite, which was worshipped as Al-Uzza, one
of the three female idols referred to in the Satanic
verses contained in the original, unexpurgated version
of Sura 53 of the Qur’an. The Ka’ba was rebuilt
and roofed in 605 AD when Muhammad was 35 years
of age.
It was the practice of the Quraish tribe of
Mecca to worship the pagan idols by walking and
running around (circumambulating) the Ka’ba and
touching the Black Stone.
Muhammad practiced this idol worship before
his encounter with who he thought was the angel
Gabriel at the age of 40 in 610 AD.
Even after the call, he continued the practice
of worshipping at the Ka’ba in spite of his insistence
that there was only one god.
Except for a period when he directed his
followers to worship in the direction of Jerusalem,
Muhammad required that the Salat, or the 5 times
daily devotions be directed (Qibla) towards the Ka’ba
in Mecca.
When Muhammad returned to Mecca in
victory in 630 AD, he entered the Ka’ba and ordered
all the painted figures on the walls to be erased and
all idols in areas under his control to be destroyed.
It is believed by believers of Islam that the
Ka’ba was the site of a shrine built by Abraham to
worship his God. This is an attempt to lend
legitimacy to the Qibla.
However, Abraham was never in the vicinity
of Mecca in his lifetime.
I believe the Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca and
the ritualistic circumambulation of the Ka’ba is a
continuation of the pagan worship before the birth
of Muhammad.
After the return of Muhammad to Mecca,
instead of patently worshipping many pagan idols,
pilgrims are unwittingly worshipping one pagan idol
called Allah.
I believe the touching of the Black Stone
seals the covenant between the pagan idol named
Allah and the pilgrim.
I believe this is the reason why believers of
Islam are required to go for the Hajj at least once
in their lifetime.
The sixth religious duty is Jihad (Holy War).
Men are required to go to war to defend
Islam or to spread Islam when the situation
warrants.
A man who dies in Jihad immediately goes
to Paradise and is considered a martyr ( Shahid ).

1 What is Islam.
2 Who is Allah.
3 Demon possession.
4 Demon possession of Muhammad.
5 Muhammad the divine.
6 Muhammad the guru.
7 Deception is the signature of Satan.
8 The deception of Islam.
9 A tree is judged by it’s fruit.
10 The 5 pillars of demonic Islam.
11 The base allure of Islam.
12 The Qur’an is not perfect.
13 The Qur’an is demon inspired.
14 Only the pretender needs to prove himself.
15 The good news of Grace.

1 WHAT IS ISLAM
The word islam means submission.
Islam is a system of beliefs originated by
Muhammad who lived in Arabia from 570 to 633 AD.
Central to this belief system is the claim by
Muhammad that he believed the angel Gabriel
appeared to him in a cave at Hira situated a few
miles from Mecca in the month of Ramadan in 610
AD when he was 40 years of age.
The material from this claim and subsequent
numerous repeated appearances of Gabriel to
Muhammad revealing the words of Allah was
recorded in a 114 chapter document named the
Qur’an.
Further material was recorded in the Hadith
which is a compilation of witnessed accounts of what
Muhammad said during his life after 610 AD. The
most authoritative and complete version of the
Hadith was compiled by Sahih Bukhari (also known
as Abu Abdullah Muhammad bin Ismail bin Ibrahim
al-Mughira al-Jafai) who lived some 200 years after
the death of Muhammad.
Muhammad’s first vision involved the presence
of what Muhammad thought was the angel Gabriel
pressing him three times and on each release,
commanding him to read. After which the angel said,
“Read in the name of your Lord. Who
creates.
He created man from a clot.
Read, by your most generous Lord.
Who taught by the pen.
He taught man what he did not know.”
(Sura 96, verses 1-5 of Al-Qur’an)
Subsequently, Muhammad reported another
vision. He saw what he thought was the same angel
who appeared to him in the cave at Hira, sitting on
a chair between the earth and the sky. He was
terrified and returned home and told Khadija, his
first wife, “Wrap me” After which, he claimed that
Allah revealed to him the following verses of the
Qur’an:
“O Enrobed one.
Arise and warn.
Glorify your Lord.
And purify your garments.
And abandon abomination.”
(Sura 74, verses 1-5 of Al-Qur’an)
I believe Muhammad sincerely believed that
he actually saw the angel Gabriel. However, I believe
that the angel was not Gabriel. I believe the angel
was a demon, probably Satan himself.
I believe Muhammad was deceived by a
demon who subsequently possessed his mind, changed
him and made use of him to deceive mankind into
worshipping a pagan idol named Allah in place of
the one true God of Abraham called El ( El-Elyon,
Elohim).
2 WHO IS ALLAH
Some 3000 years BC, in the Tigris and
Euphrates river basin, there was an ancient
civilization called Sumer, with its people called
Sumerians.
From archaeological findings of cuneiform
engravings, there was a pagan idol named Lil. The
name was subsequently modified to Enlil as well as
Ramman-ilani.
This Ramman idol was transported via trade
routes to India to become the Brahman of Vedic
literature, subsequently forming the Hindu religion.
The pagan idol remaining in the land of
origin became known as Baal of Babylon. By trade
route spread, this pagan idol became arabicised into
the name Al-ilah. Al-ilah also had a consort pagan
idol named Al-ilat.
With time, Al-ilah became shortened to Al-lah
and then Allah.
The name Allah became known as the generic
name for god.
The consort Al-ilat became known as Al-lat. Al-
lat is one of the pagan idols found in the Ka’bah
shrine in Mecca referred to in the Satanic verses of
Sura 53 of the Qur’an.
Al-ilah was the Babylonian moon god whose
symbol was the crescent moon. Hence Islam uses the
crescent moon as it's symbol. The crescent moon adorns
every place where Allah is worshipped.
Hence the name Allah is not the same name
used by Abraham for God which should be El. Even
the name of Abraham’s son from Hagar is named
after El as Ishma-el. Ishmael is purportedly the
original father of the Arabs.
I believe Satan’s deception is in hijacking the
‘one god’ concept of Judaism and Christianity with
the use of the name Allah as the ‘one god’ rather
than the genuine name El. This deception is
rendered more persuasive by using the simplistic one
entity Allah rather than the three entity Holy Trinity
concept of Christianity.
3 DEMON POSSESSION
Hindu yogis and Buddhist monks have been
reported to spend long solitary periods of meditation
in caves. I believe during these yogic meditations,
the individual empties himself of all worldly thoughts
and preoccupations.
In this blank state, the individual becomes susceptible
to a demon entering his mind, spiritually deceiving
him and taking over control of his spirit.
Demons are spirits. I believe they are fallen
angels, chief among whom is Satan. Once a demon
possesses an individual, the individual becomes the
demon’s slave. The demon will alter the individual’s
beliefs and consequently his attitude and behavior.
The demon possessed individual will almost invariably
manifest the signature of Satan which is deception.
4 DEMON POSSESSION OF MUHAMMED
Muhammad himself admitted that he was
possessed by a devil:
‘Anas reported that Gabriel appeared before the
Apostle of Allah (Muhammad), while he was playing
with some boys. Gabriel took him, laid him down,
pierced his heart, and took out a clot of blood.
Then he said, “This is the portion of you possessed
of a devil.” Next, he washed it in a gold cup with
water from the well Zamzam. Thereafter sewed him
up and took him back to where he found
him…’ (Attended by Muslim. Al-Hadis, Volume 4 page
367)
Muhammad himself admitted that he was
possessed by Satan at one time:
‘Have you, then, seen Al-Lat and Al-Uzza?
And Manat, the third one, the other?
These are exalted females (sublime ones),
Mounting nearer and nearer to Allah
And truly their intercession may be
expected.
( Al-Qur’an, Sura 53 verse19-20, and the
Satanic verses in bold letters)
The Satanic verses were present in the
original version of the Qur’an when Muhammad was
trying to woo the Meccans who believed in many
gods including the pagan idols Al-Lat, Al-Uzza and
Manat.
Later on, when he was in a more
commanding position, he conveniently edited out these
embarrassing verses, admitting that they were
inspired in him by Satan.
“We have not sent a messenger or prophet
before you but when he recited, the Devil would
intrude into his recitation. (Al-Qur’an. Sura 22 verse
53)
Muhammad admitted that he had a Jinn
(demon) up his nose.
(Al-Hadis. Volume 4, Book 54, No.516)
Muhammed said that bad dreams are from
Satan.
(Al-Hadis. Volume 4, Book 54, No. 513)
Muhammad had his own resident demon, the
one-eyed Dajjal.
(Al-Hadis. Volume 3, page 803)
5 MUHAMMAD THE DIVINE
Muhammad exalted himself to be part of the
Islamic godhead when he referred to Allah in the
plural form:
‘So turn away from him who has given up
Our mention and only desires the patient life.’
(Al-Qur’an. Sura 53, verse 29)
Muhammad claimed that he was the truth , a claim
that only deity can claim.
‘Abu Qatada reported that the Messenger of
Allah said,
“Whoever has seen me has indeed seen the
truth” Agreed.
(Al-Hadis, Volume 2, page 102)
Compare this with what Jesus said in John 14:6
“I am the way, the truth and the life:
no man comes to the Father but by me
Muhammad also exalted himself as perfect and never
in error.
‘By the star when it goes down,
Your Company has not gone astray nor erred,
(Al-Qur’an. Sura 53, verse 1-2)
The deification of Muhammad is also contained in
the Hadith.
‘Abu Hurairah reported from the Holy
Prophet who said,
“Verrily, I am a mercy that has been raised
up”
Attested by Darimi and Rahaqi .
Even a stone was claimed by Muhammad to greet
him.
Jabber-b-Samorah reported that the Apostle of
Allah said:
“Verrily I know certainly of a stone at Mecca
which used to greet me before prophethood.
Surely I recognize it even now”
Attested by Muslim.
(Al-Hadis. Volume 4, page 367-368)
Compare this with what Jesus said in Luke, Chapter
19, verse 40:
“I tell you,” he replied, “if they keep quiet, the
stones will cry out.”
The deity of Muhammad is reinforced by the
Egyptian mystic Darimi who claimed that Muhammad
was already in existence before the creation of Adam.
‘Darimi reported that the Messenger of Allah
said,
“The first light which Allah created was my
light.”
When Adam got to heaven, he found Muhammad’s
name on Allah’s throne and engraved everywhere.
Adam asked, “Who then is this Muhammad?”
Allah answered. “He is your descendent, and
but for him, I should not have created you.”
Allah rebuked Adam for not praying to
Muhammad.’
Darimi also reported,
“All of creation was made of the substance
of Muhammad”
6 MUHAMMAD THE GURU
A guru is a man who claims divine
commission. His actions reveal that his objective is to
gather a following of people who are totally
beholden to him for every detail of how life should
be lived. He exalts himself and keeps his god
mysterious, distant and unknowable, encouraging his
followers to come to himself for direction.
The guru system is well established in Hindu
beliefs and practices. A yogi first exalts his own
teacher, even to the extent of a deity so that he
himself role-models to his followers to exalt him and
venerate every word that proceeds from his mouth
and venerate the very ground that he has walked
upon.
The exaltation of Muhammad into a guru is
reflected in his sweat being described as fragrant (Al-
Hadis. Volume 4, page 337), and that he was more
beautiful than the moon ( Al-Hadis. Volume 4, page
339).i
The veneration given to the sayings of
Muhammad in the Hadith is typical of the guru
archetype.
By exalting himself as perfect, Muhammad
sets the stage for his followers to venerate him. (Al-
Hadis, Volume 4, Page 316, 323 and 328)
One of the methods gurus use to control his
followers is the use of repetitive ritual movements
and chanting of words of obeisance to his deity.
This is typified in the Salat, the five times a
day ritualistic prostration and chanting of praises to
Allah while facing toward the Ka’ba in Mecca.
7 DECEPTION IS THE SIGNATURE OF SATAN
God created angels to fellowship with. I
believe God gave free choice to angels, even the
choice to disobey. Lucifer, the then worship- leader
decided to disobey and persuaded one third of the
angels to rebel. They were then cast out of heaven.
Lucifer became Satan, the accuser of the brethren.
God created man to fellowship with. God
gave man dominion over the earth.
The first action of Satan to Adam and Eve
was deception.
To deceive is to swindle, hoax, cheat, mislead, dupe,
fool, or entrap.
Satan possessed the serpent and duped Eve
and Adam into eating the fruit of the tree of
knowledge of good and evil, the one which God
specifically forbade them to eat. (Genesis 3:1-7)
By this hoax, Satan cheated mankind of his
right standing with God and dominion over the
earth. Instead, mankind, including myself came under
dominion of Satan and was headed for certain
death.
In the ‘fallen’ state, I am unable to
fellowship with God. However, God still wanted to
fellowship with me.
The triune Godhead sent a part of Himself,
Jesus to earth as a man to die and bear the total
punishment for the disobedience (sin) of all of
mankind so that in believing in this sacrifice, my
fallen spiritual self will die and become reborn as a
brother or sister of Christ Jesus.
As a new creation (2Corinthians 5:17 ), I can
directly fellowship with God by casting all my cares
to Him, secure in the belief that I have absolute
right-standing with Him ( Psalm 55:22, 1 Peter 5:7)
When I believe in Jesus as my savior, I am
freed from bondage to Satan. Satan is powerless to
prevent me from believing the good news of the
divine exchange.
What he can do is to deceive me with
alternative routes to God like Hinduism, Buddhism,
New Age and Islam. Satan inspired Hinduism and
Buddhism with the core belief of Karma and
reincarnation.
The concept of reincarnation has been
debunked by the concept of demonic spirit possession
explaining all the ‘evidence’ proffered for
reincarnation.
Hence reincarnation is a lie and Hinduism,
Buddhism, and New Age are deceptions. They bear
the signature of Satan, which is deception.
With the death burial and resurrection of
Jesus, Satan has had been stripped of his power over
me and over anyone else who believe in the risen
Jesus Christ. This is because at the name of Jesus
every name will bow, including the name, Satan
(Philippians 2:10).
8 THE DECEPTION OF ISLAM
Muhammad had knowledge of the Holy Bible
from Waraqah, the cousin of his first wife,
Khadijah.
When Muhammad frequented the cave at
Hira to meditate, I believe that the fallen angel
Satan saw an opportunity to execute his diabolical
deception. I believe the fallen angel Satan appeared
to Muhammad and thoroughly deceived Muhammad
into believing that the he was Gabriel.
Muhammad’s description of experiencing
forcible pressure from ‘Gabriel’, commanding him to
recite, is a graphic description of demon possession.
Thereafter, having duped Muhammad into
believing that he is the apostle of the creator, Satan
fully possessed Muhammad and inspired in
Muhammad a series of messages which were
compiled into the Qur’an.
In order to be credible, the messages
contained some truthful information like the mention
that Jesus was of virgin birth and that Jesus
performed miracles. However, Satan inserted
numerous lies to deceive me and you.
The main lies are the following:
The first lie is the name of The Creator,
whom he called Allah. Although cited as the God of
Abraham, the name Allah is actually a derivation of
Al-ilah, which is derived from Lil, the pagan idol of
ancient Sumeria. The true name of the God of
Abraham is El or El-Elyon contained in the Torah.
I believe to substitute the pagan idol name
Allah for El when denoting God the Creator is to
blaspheme in a most heinous way. How has this
occurred? I believe Satan has insidiously deceived the
pagan ancient Arabs to use the name ilah to denote
the generic word ‘god’. Since then, the Arabic
language has been tainted with this Satanic stain.
I also believe in 610 AD, in a cave at Hira,
Muhammad himself was deceived by a demon into
believing the name of God the Creator was Allah.
By this deception, Satan has hijacked the worship
that was meant for God the Creator who was called
El by Abraham.
This deception is so pervasive that even in
the Al-Kitab, the Holy Bible in Arabic and in Bahasa
Indonesia, the name used to denote God is Allah.
Hence I believe all Muslims as well as those
Christians who use the Arabic translations of the
Holy Bible have been duped by Satan in a most
diabolical way.
In order to repair the hedge of protection for
Arabic and Bahasa speaking Christians, it is
imperative to immediately replace the name, Allah
with El.
The second lie is the hijacking of the
monotheistic ‘one god’ idea to mean one body called
Allah instead of the true triune Godhead of God the
Father (Abba), God the Son (Jesus) and God the Holy
Spirit.
The third lie is to indicate that Jesus did not
say that He was the Son of God when the exact
opposite is true. (Matt 26:63-64)
The fourth lie is to indicate that Jesus did
not die and resurrect from death, but someone else
was placed on the cross instead (Sura 4:157-158).
There is compelling evidence, for the death,
burial and resurrection of Jesus. (Reference: pp 215-240.
The best of Josh McDowell. A ready defence. 1993)
The fifth lie is to indicate that Muhammad
is the Comforter (Paraclete) instead of the Holy Spirit.
It is stated very clearly that the Comforter
will ‘reprove the world of righteousness because
Jesus goes to His Father’ (John 16:7-11). Yet
Muhammad denies that God is Jesus’ father. This
automatically disqualifies Muhammad from being the
Comforter.
I believe quotation of Bible verses only
when it appears to agree with the Qur’an and
ignoring the others and ignoring the context is
deceptive.
Deception is the signature of Satan.
The sixth lie is that the Ka’ba, which
contained 360 pagan idols is the shrine set up by
Abraham to worship Allah.
Abraham was never in the vicinity of Mecca.
Abraham migrated from Ur of the Chaldees up the
Euphrates to Syria and then through Canaan south
to Egypt and then back to Canaan. The desert of
Paran is in the Sinai peninsula and not the Arabian
peninsula (Genesis 21:21).
The seventh lie is that Muhammad’s name is
mentioned in the Gnostic ‘Gospel of St. Barnabas’.
However, the only version of this is an obvious fake
dating from the 18 th century, in Italian, and
containing passages from Dante’s Divine Comedy
written in the 13 th century.
The purpose of Satan’s deception is to
downplay the truth about Jesus and to exalt the
pagan idol, Allah.

Vickybee:

1. Men are Sexists and Chauvinistic in nature
Most men are sexists and chauvinistic in nature therefore making them selfish and loathe independent women. They make denigrating remarks about women and you don't expect a serious, logical and virtuous woman to remain with such a rètarded being.
Women in other hand, are peace loving and cool but their anti-feminism husband keeps antagonising them and they don't have an option but divorce him.





Thunder fire each and every guy that quoted me on this thread.
Y'all didn't see that the first point raised by dude above me is anti-feminism/woman but choose to attack me for airing mine.

Bunch of hypocrites.

there is nothing like independence in marriage, stay single if you want to be independent...or drop all ds devilish new world introductions

Have you ever wondered that If marriage is not the reason why people date then what could be?.

So say its for experience,
some say for human relations,
some say for lessons,
some say for compatibility test,
Some say for love,
Some say for companionship,
And so many other reasons I can't remember...I find it awkward that most times, young people prefer fake fantasy lives than to face reality.
I mean more young people suffer from heartbreak and trauma nowadays by running into relationships where its obvious that the guy/girl just wants to have fun and move to the next target..

So really, why do people date if marriage is not the goal...In my opinion, I feel dating is an lame excuse not to be sleeping around when marriage is not in sight.

share your thoughts!!!

DollyParton1:
This last post of yours buttresses my point that most men do not know their role as the head that they claim they are. You have refused to answer my question.
Just for clarity, nowhere in my post did I mention a wife lording over her husband, neither should a husband lord over his wife. She is your wife and not your servant. Bottom line is that :
1. Most men do not know what it entails to be called a leader, they think it is limited to them being the sole decision maker and fund supplier.
2. If your wife brings home the bacon too like you do and you have left her to solely keep the home and kids together, then that man has failed as the head that he claims he is.
No one is saying y'all shouldn't call yourself head, but if you do that, pls act like one.
But really I don't get why African men are so stuck on this I am the head thing. Y'all can't enter a 50-50 marriage with your wives, but you can let her pay 50% or more of the bills.
Anyway am out of here.

the wife aint the lord, the husband IS the lord/ruler..doesn't give the license to maltreat her....Pls I don't mean african men, I mean real christian men....if you want a 50-50 marriage then get married to a woman, last I checked 50-50 marriage does not exist in my Bible....I also don't see in the bible where it is a crime or sin for a woman more financially okay to foot more than 50percent of the bills but its ungodly for her to claim equality or superiority over her husband... You pple never stop amazing me, you even fit say make men too dey go through the pain of child-bearing...pls jus be a good wife abeg and stop rubbishing the lovely position/role of our wifes...And yes we have several women being responsible for their families due to one reason or the other...it does not and will never change the position of the husband as the head.

DollyParton1:
You see, you have refused to comprehend all my posts so far.
Scrap financial aspects. Am asking you what are the other responsibilities of a man aside being the bread winner.
I never alluded to finances. You need to read my post again.
I am just trying to engage u in a convo here No need to play smart or be defensive.

if I couldn't comprehend your posts I wouldn't give answers along your line.....haha, how am I playing smart or being defensive.....
Anyway lemme jus tell you the bitter truth...The actual manager or controller of the home is the woman, in fact the man's life is in the hands of the woman as soon as he marries her...even men know this...this is the extent of the wifes power but on no occasion should it be lorded over him.

DollyParton1:
No one is throwing insults yet.
Errm so what do u mean by "Responsibilities"?
Or let me simply put, what are theresponsibilities of a man as the head?
And ur last statement make it seem like being a lady or wife is something of substandard.

I won't state the responsibilities because I'm sure you have an idea of man's supposed responsibilities....The fact that a man is struggling with life's challenges or trials and cannot fully perform those responsibilities does not mean he should be put in the position of a wife.... The "help meet" should submit and support him through the thick and thins of life, not show him why he is not man enough... For my last statement, your types are the ones that have made this great and precious position substandard and unnecessarily wanting to assume the position that God has put man.

jpphilips:
What do you guys mean by being head of the house, I have really followed the convo with keen interest and I don't seem to get something straight.
How can a man be the head by virtue of having a third leg? what if he is a m0r0n? like most guys here on Nairaland that hardly know their left from right, do you advocate the responsibility of leading the home on their shoulders?
A dumb man should not lead the home, if the wife is smarter why not? You guys really scare me!!

What I meant is what God meant when he called man the head of the house and I'm talking about responsible men not mor0ns or 1diots.

DollyParton1:
simple question. ... what are the roles of the husband? You gave refused to answer. I have asked it like twice now. Instead you keep shouting feminist; like u are programmed to do so. You need to read and comprehend my posts.

the role of a man is "Responsibility"...I'm not shouting and I've not been programmed, there is no need for insults....And the position that God has put man can never be swapped no matter his financial condition...Try harder, the best you can be is a lady or a wife.

DollyParton1:
Lol... Am not a minor.

Yea, it is possible not to need a man in marriage and vice versa. Some women and men do not need the other partner per se but they just want them. You said it urself, widows and widowers do survive without their other half.

You write as if you live on another planet. You need to get out there and talk to women who earn more than their husbands or equally as them. It is a common knowledge that men generally like the idea of their wives depending on them, mainly due to their ego and the I have to be in control mentality. Now we all know that a woman who earns well does not need to depend on a man to survive and she is not afraid to show it. That is a bruise on their Ego. They know they have nothing to hold that woman down except of her own free will. Additionally we know there are many women who would have left their marriage if they were financially secured.

Yea yea we all know the bible instructs the wife to submit and the husband to lead/head. Can I ask you again, what are the roles of the husband as the head? Who is a good leader according to Christian principles?
I tell you it is not a matter of being a responsible father or not. It is a matter of a common misconception of that bible passage, most men whether Christians or not, does not know what it entails to lead.
That is why I said most women unknowingly have picked up the roles of the men in the house. Leading is not about making decisions. Infact, I believe a good leader should always seek the opinion of the "followers". How many husbands are Ok when their wives who earn more than them questions their actions, even if it was politely or innocently. The first thing they say is how dare you question me.
There is much more to leading than that. Its a marriage and not a dictatorship dispensation. That is why I get agitated when men come forward and start quoting that passage in Ephesians without having a full understanding of what it entails.
Why dont you lead by a good example and watch the and most independent woman on earth submit to you.
You dont need to force anyone to submit to you.

And also most men are confusing submission with obedience. That is a story for another day.

All your sermon still talks about irresponsible men...You seem to know a lot about irresponsible men.
Well, there is a difference between a woman and a wife, even the teachers of feminism have ruled out that marriage is not an achievement,..Most of you trying to be men, I think its best for y'all to stay single and adopt children and be the man and woman in your lives.
God has put man and woman in positions that can not be swapped...The "wifes submit to your husbands" scripture was not referring just any woman, God was referring to a wife. Cos God didn't create the wife to be the husband.....

We know there are many ladies, as well as wives out there...As a christian wife, you MUST submit, its just as simple as that even if you find yourself on the presidential seat...over and over again there is nothing like independence, if you wanna be independent, don't go into marriage or get out of marriage....
Anyway, its still feels good to know that good wives outnumber ladies, and we thank God for this.

DollyParton1:
Lol.... you refused to adress my post. But instead u started crying feminist. Dang!!! What is wrong with yall. Adress the issues I raised. You just expect to submit because the bible says so. Why don't yall adress the selfishness amongst your fellow men first.
if u read my post very well, I never allude to an independent woman in marriage.
My points are
1. Most husbands don't like the idea that their wives does not need them. This doesn't mean the wife doesn't respect them, but the fact that the wife can and will survive without them threatens them.
2.Men do not fully understand the role and sacrifices involved in being a leader.
3.Men need to go back to Christ and study and understand the way he leads the church. Then they can be good leaders.
The word of God has more than one side.

And pray tell me, what is a man's role as the head?

by chance, I hope I'm not arguing with a minor....How can a woman not need a man in MARRIAGE and otherwise...Even widows survive, how much more married women and why will the survival of a human threaten another?...
Maybe you need to go back to christ, God won't direct you to be the husband or the head of the house even if you earn more money than your husband..
And I'm talking about responsible men, not the irresponsible fathers that the feminists are trying to avoid...
And you don't need to tag me "independent-woman-phobic", you don't even know me... No human is independent, and we have great,successful women doing well in their homes..
Once again, good luck to y'all.

DollyParton1:
let me take you back to the post I quoted.


I am Christian who studies the bible. However I think Christians especially men have twisted the Bible to fit into their personal agenda.
I believe a woman can be in control if she is capable of holding down her grind very well. The believe that power intoxicates a woman is bullshit. Most husbands feels threatened when they realize that their wives does not need them.
Actually many women unknowingly to them or their husbands are now leading the family.
Or what do u call a woman who wakes up early same time as her husband to go to work, and still prepares food for the household. She makes sure the kids are well dressed for school or church or wherever they are going. Check their school work. Make sure they are well behaved, cleans the house etc and brings home 50% of the bacon. But what does the man do? Brings home the remaining 50% of the bacon, comes home to his already served food and sits in front of TV to listen to news while scratching his balls. The kids that disturbs him be damned because daddy as the head of the family is the head and does not want to be disturbed. And after that the wife better be ready to give him a hot śėx.

I think submission and its associated bullshit is not meant for most of todays couples. If your wife is working and contributing almost the same amount as the wife while solely keeping the home together. Then that man does not deseved to be called the head/leader. Because thats not what leaders do.

And we ask why several marriages end up badly nowadays. A man and a woman have different roles to play in a relationship, there is nothing like independence in marriage.... Your world might have changed, I know God or your bible hasn't, and so there's nothing like old or new age women. We only have normal and abnormal people....

1.There is nothing wrong in a woman making more money than her husband but its wrong when she lords it over him
2.Many of our parents grew together into financial stability, reverse is the case today as several stupiid and heretic teachings have filled the world
4.Most feminists come from broken homes and irresponsible fathers and try to avoid the mistakes of their mothers by being firm.
3.Ask the feminists who their role models are, and one will be shocked at the lives they covet.
4.Great women of the bible submitted to their husbands
5.Submission can and will never be ruled out of any successful and Godly marriage no matter the financial level of the wife
6.Real successful women become everything they want to be and still totally respect the position of their husbands
You would never hear a woman successful in all areas of her life rant about the negatives of her husbands
7.If one really wants to be independent, then why get married?
8.Maybe feminists should have a chat with their mothers on how they made it work, instead of jumping into marriages and leaving heartbroken
. I will always say that the husband is the head of the home, anything that has two heads is a monster.
9.God gave 2 instructions "Husbands love your wives" and "wives submit to your husbands"....either you agree or not Feminism is of the devil cos it disagrees with God's command.
10.We bless God that about 70percent of our ladies do not yet agree that a man's role should rubbished, and so we have enough Great women, truly successful women, wonderful mothers, great wives to choose from as "help meet"

Good luck to y'all

DollyParton1:
did u see the post I quoted? Or you just decided to jump on my post because??

yh I did...and I decided to quoted you like ill quote any other nairalander.

DollyParton1:
Here they come with their "submissive theory".
Arrant nonsense.

its the only way relationships can work dear, ask your mother....the husband is the head of the home and anything that has two heads is a monster.

ajebuter:
Your definition of arrogance is just beyond comprehension.

So because i'm independent and earn very good salary means i should act sub servient and become a man's doormat because its the 'in- thing' in África?

Grow up chauvinist.
A woman is not defined by marriage or motherhood.
If a woman chooses to be alone, its not a biggie and if she desires motherhood, she can go for sperm donation, intro fertilization or just get preggie and keep your child.

Im not saying a woman should be proud or arrogant, but being independent doesnt mean u should accept shit from any fucktad simply bcs u need to get married and please the society

what is a woman defined by?

ignis:
It only happens to pervert men. ...With so many dirty thoughts in mind.

it happens to all normal men my dear, should go down in abt 5 min later or so.

Enypie:
Hian!
But this one has been exaggerated o! Kilode nah?!?!

lol, size matters

veave:
Hahahaha... it revolves around the man. mama thinks its her son and her right, she was there first. Wife thinks its her husband and solely her right, mama should give way.

yeah you are right, but its not in the place of the wife to stand up to her mother-in-law. Except you wanna make your husband rilly mad..we love our wives but nothing can compare to motherly love.

veave:
Man ownership.

no only dat, I thnk women jus compete with each other for everything.

ignis:
Am guilty of 3 and 5. ... But I can't help it.

you can try, keep ur fone father from you and u can also make use of covercloth

cutieberie1:
true sha

yh.

pwerrymansion:
Op @ ur last point, hilarious. Thanks for the informative yet hilarious post! Am guilty of the phone/alarm one. I like being punctual in all my engagements hence my phone serve as an alarm clock and it stays under my pillow as well.

you might wanna kip it a little bit farther from you, the loud sound can still wake you.

realdee44:
I so much love No.6

na so oo, my sister

Over time, often times, Several Husbands have been put in a
tight position to make certain decisions between their
mothers and wives...

This could be as a result of the "natural" competition
between women or better put "the struggle for the position
of the most-preferred"

And as a result of this, a man is made to make decisions on
whom he prefers, and any decision made goes down badly
either ways.

In 1954, one study revealed that only one in four women
even liked her mother-in-law, and new research shows just
how deep-seated the tension is.

A study of hundreds of families has revealed that nearly
two-thirds of women complain they've suffered long-term
unhappiness and stress because of friction with their
husband's mother.
During the research - conducted over two decades - women
accused their mothers-in-law of showing unreasonably
jealous love towards their sons.
In turn, mothers-in-law complained that they were excluded
from their sons' lives by their wives.

Dr Terri Apter, a psychologist and senior tutor at Newnham
College, Cambridge, carried out the research for her book
What Do You Want From Me?,
She explains: 'The conflict often arises from an assumption
that each is criticising or undermining the other woman. But
this mutual unease may have less to do with actual attitudes
and far more to do with persistent female stereotypes that
few of us manage to shake off completely.
Both the mother and the wife are struggling to achieve the
same position in the family - primary woman. Each tries to
establish or protect their status. Each feels threatened by the
other.'
Her conclusion? 'It's a tragedy,' she says. 'This impasse
divides women who should have so much in common, and
who could benefit from each other's friendship. It causes
both sides terrible unhappiness and distress.'

Many daughters-in-law assume that no matter how
modern their mothers-in-law are, they will be judged on
their cooking, cleaning and child-rearing abilities.

At the same time, mothers-in-law often interpret the
decisions of their daughters-in-law to do things differently
from them - whether in relation to childcare, career or
running the home - as a rejection of their own choices.
Daughters-in-law assume that as a fellow woman, their
mother-in-law will be their ally when they disagree with their
husband. But inevitably a mother's unconditional love will
trump any female bonding.
It's the disappointment felt by both women that 'gives these
relationships their distinctive negative charge',

Add to that a mother's conflicting feelings of pride and loss
as a son marries, a wife's insecurity about balancing work
and home responsibilities, and the tendency of most women
to be more sensitive to criticism than men, and you have the
perfect formula for years of trouble.

These tensions don't just cause friction within families. They
can put even the best marriages at risk.

As far as I'm concerned, I don't feel its necessary for a man
to be put in this "awkward" position, I feel that love between
these two women would do far more good than harm. At the
same time I don't seem to understand the reason behind
the disunity of wives and mother-in-laws or is it normal or
natural as some would call it?.

Share your thoughts!!!.

Over time, often times, Several Husbands have been put in a tight position to make certain decisions between their mothers and wives...

This could be as a result of the "natural" competition between women or better put "the struggle for the position of the most-preferred"

And as a result of this, a man is made to make decisions on whom he prefers, and any decision made goes down badly either ways.

In 1954, one study revealed that only one in four women
even liked her mother-in-law, and new research shows just
how deep-seated the tension is.

A study of hundreds of families has revealed that nearly
two-thirds of women complain they've suffered long-term
unhappiness and stress because of friction with their
husband's mother.

During the research - conducted over two decades - women
accused their mothers-in-law of showing unreasonably
jealous love towards their sons.
In turn, mothers-in-law complained that they were excluded
from their sons' lives by their wives.

Dr Terri Apter, a psychologist and senior tutor at Newnham
College, Cambridge, carried out the research for her book
What Do You Want From Me?,
She explains: 'The conflict often arises from an assumption
that each is criticising or undermining the other woman. But
this mutual unease may have less to do with actual attitudes
and far more to do with persistent female stereotypes that
few of us manage to shake off completely.

Both the mother and the wife are struggling to achieve the
same position in the family - primary woman. Each tries to
establish or protect their status. Each feels threatened by the other.'

Her conclusion? 'It's a tragedy,' she says. 'This impasse
divides women who should have so much in common, and
who could benefit from each other's friendship. It causes
both sides terrible unhappiness and distress.'

Many daughters-in-law assume that no matter how
modern their mothers-in-law are, they will be judged on
their cooking, cleaning and child-rearing abilities.
At the same time, mothers-in-law often interpret the
decisions of their daughters-in-law to do things differently
from them - whether in relation to childcare, career or
running the home - as a rejection of their own choices.

Daughters-in-law assume that as a fellow woman, their
mother-in-law will be their ally when they disagree with their husband. But inevitably a mother's unconditional love will trump any female bonding.

It's the disappointment felt by both women that 'gives these
relationships their distinctive negative charge',

Add to that a mother's conflicting feelings of pride and loss
as a son marries, a wife's insecurity about balancing work
and home responsibilities, and the tendency of most women to be more sensitive to criticism than men, and you have the perfect formula for years of trouble.
These tensions don't just cause friction within families. They
can put even the best marriages at risk.

As far as I'm concerned, I don't feel its necessary for a man to be put in this "awkward" position, I feel that love between these two women would do far more good than harm. At the same time I don't seem to understand the reason behind the disunity of wives and mother-in-laws or is it a normal or natural as some would call it?.

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