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KingEbukasBlog:
Still made more contributions with facts in this section in just six months than atheists since this forum began . He has changed the paradigm and everyone appreciates his efforts .

Bless you Bro!

DeSepiero:
Which is more reliable?

A study conducted by a team of scientists and professors in a University and published in a Journal

Or

A study conducted and reported by a journalist in a media house?

The media houses only reported the study. CNN does not conduct such researches. Did you even go to the link I posted. Why dismiss anything that doesnot agree with atheism?

DeSepiero:
You should bow your head and keep quiet.
Those researches were conducted by more than one author, published in world reputable journals and were definitely peer reviewed by a board of editors prior to publication.

I am surprised you still had the guts to refute researches published in 'Nature', 'Intelligence' and 'Science'. It shows your height of delusion.

Zuckerman was the first author in many of the studies you posted and he has given his stand.

We were talking about education and religiousity, you were giving examples on number of religious people in the Academy of sciences in the U.S.A, why didnt you tell us about medcine. You also talked about the worlds leading scientists in 1998, does that even mean anything? We know those who founded most science fields of today don't we?

Those things simply dont follow our argument. You should not just copy everything you see out of ignorance and desperation.

SirWere:
It's so damn scary. He spents an interminable amount of time abusing atheists. I shudder to think of what will happen if his kid or anyone close to him turned out to be unsatsified with faith.


And what's funny is that it's from most of the deeply religious homes that most people turn out to be atheistic .

I dont abuse atheists my good friend. Im just interested in talking about atheism since atheists never talk about their own worldview. The only thing they seem to talk about is God and religion. I'm simply helping out.

KingEtienneSky:
KingEbukasBlog, KingEbukaNaija, Winner01, 4evergod..... WHERE ARE YOU GUYS?

Of what use is it when atheists want you to respond to the same arguments over and over?

DeSepiero:
If I were as jobless as he is, given the time he spends in compiling all these garbage. I would have given him less to rant about long ago.

I have a job except you have a better offer for me.

Are the video proofs in the article garbage too?

Can you start giving me less to "rant" about sometime soon?

SirWere:
But their "obsession" is usually limited. Most atheists; after a while, usually contend themselves with silence and staying in the background after realizing the futility of continous arguments.

You, on the other hand, continue to "preach" against atheists, in a horribly misjudged fashion.


Chill, sire.

Take a break from the religious section, open a thread somewhere else. Your profile is chock-filled with threads on Atheism and nothing on the Christianity you claim to practice. All in all,




Just Chill.

I post my Christian topics elsewhere not here. Other christians are doing a great job at that. Is it so offensive if I expose the irrationality of atheism in my leisure especially on a section that feasts on young and baby christians?

DeSepiero:
You should present more of journal articles published by researchers and not links to news headlines by journalists and media houses.

Are you trying to say those news were reported falsely

DeSepiero:
You should present more of journal articles published by researchers and not links to news headlines by journalists and media houses.

Graeme, Paton (11 June 2008). "Intelligent people 'less likely to believe in God'". The Telegraph.

Lynn, Richard; John Harvey; Helmuth Nyborg (2009). "Average intelligence predicts atheism rates across 137 nations". Intelligence. 37: 11–15. doi:10.1016/j.intell.2008.03.004. Retrieved 2015-05-25.

"Analytic thinking can decrease religious belief, study shows". Science Daily. 26 April 2012.

Zuckerman, Miron; Silberman, Jordan; Hall, Judith A. (2013). "The Relation Between Intelligence and Religiosity: A Meta-Analysis and Some Proposed Explanations". Personality and Social Psychology Review. 17: 325–354. doi:10.1177/1088868313497266

Controversial researcher Richard Lynn was the author of the study and Greame patons report about the study is given below:
Professor Richard Lynn, emeritus professor of psychology at Ulster University, said many more members of the "intellectual elite" considered themselves atheists than the national average.
A decline in religious observance over the last century was directly linked to a rise in average intelligence, he claimed.
But the conclusions - in a paper for the academic journal Intelligence - have been branded "simplistic" by critics.
Professor Lynn, who has provoked controversy in the past with research linking intelligence to race and sex, said university academics were less likely to believe in God than almost anyone else.
A survey of Royal Society fellows found that only 3.3 per cent believed in God - at a time when 68.5 per cent of the general UK population described themselves as believers.

Most of thestudies you hav given are by Miron Zuckerman, and did you know that Miron Zuckerman has recently come out to carefully point out that his work does not mean only dumb people believe in God. Rather,he says that, it shows only that more intelligent people may feel they have less need for religion.

DeSepiero:
Winner01,
In the 1990s a study of members of the American National Academy of Sciences reported that 7% believed in the existence of God, as compared with approximately 90% found in a poll of the general population (Larsen & Witham, 1998).

Larsen, E. L., &Witham, L. (1998). Leading scientists still reject God.Nature,394, 313.

Academy of sciences you say. We are talking about general education.

The last study is seriously flawed and proves nothing. There have been times whenleading scientists were theists, did that hinder the progress of science. We are talking about education here.

I'm trying to imagine you and cloudgoddess conducting a survey on religion and intelligence. We can know the result even before you start.

I'm dissapointed cos out of about 60 studies on religiousity and intelligence, you can only give 3. Actually, ive read about 11 of such studies which affirm a negative correlation between education and religion. I have my reservations cos of the sample sizes and population of study.

HCpaul:
Hmmm.... Funny dude.

So you think everyone will be substituting responsibilities with prayers and wishful hope like you people always do??

I solve world problems and you are one of them.

How about christians who paved the way for mordern science, why ddnt ur ancestors stop them?

SirWere:
winner01; your obsession with atheism is disturbing. Your thread title states one thing while the body of the thread states another. It's somehow like you can't create a coherent thread without involving atheism.


Chill, sire, chill.

The day you say this about atheists who talk about christianity instead of atheists then Ill take you seriously.

DeSepiero:
There are scientific studies that proof that a negative correlation exists between intelligence and belief in God.

Can we have such studies?

We already know some noteable studies were popularised in

CNN
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/08/11/study-more-educated-tend-to-be-more-religious-by-some-measures/ ),

Daily Mail
(http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2025166/The-education-people-receive-religious-become.html )


Education positively affects religious participation, devotional activities, and emphasizing the importance of religion in daily life" Springer: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs13644-011-0007-4



Can we have some proof from credible sources other than the waving of your hands or false articles from atheist websites which are as desperate as you are?

naijadeyhia:
Winners01 in the second video the girl that made these 2 statements shows demonic activity and reaction.

1) I HATE YOU

2) YOUR SIGN OFFENDS ME

Her outbursts were totally unprovoked and just hated the man and his sign and went ballistic.

Atheism is demonic.

You forgot to cc 2 other people so let me help with that.

Cloudgoddess; for saying the world would be better without religion. She is a self acclaimed scientist and here is scientific proof that the world would do better without atheism...Note that she never presented any scientific proof to her claims.

Seun ; for saying there are no modern day militant atheists.

Good job bro. I know the heading of the thread was a bait

Atheists dont make statements based on scientific findings, but based on emotions. Cloudgoddess is a pseudoscientist who believes that humanity came from slime and rocks and then blind processes began to direct themselves meaningfully and thus created intelligence.
It is not real science, we know who real scientists were/are and what they believed in. I want to know what the theory of evolution has done for humanity. Science is not blind, these ones want to make it their god.

Atheists usually let their emotions get the better part of them. Its never about logic.

DeSepiero:
Lol.. Maybe you should also google "educated people are more likely to become atheists".

I'd like to see the related searches too.

We have scientific studies which show that religious people tend to be more educated, and I can provide them. Do you have any proof other than your mouth that atheism and education are related?

Muafrika2:
There is a predominantly Muslim residential/commercial settlement here where Muslim experts skilled in both bible and Quran set a high chair in the middle of the street and dare any Christian to take it and answer their tough questions. I think you'd do well

Where would that be?

DeSepiero:
Winner01 I knew you wouldn't disappoint me.
The topic of your write up says one thing, while the body of the write up discusses the exact opposite.
Probably you'd barely notice it because of your desperation.

Thank God you aren't dissapointed. I bet you came into a harmless christian thread to spread some anger. Just relax, this is an atheist section in proxy, its the least we can do for baby christians who are naive and think it is a religion section.

The body corroborates the title. It asks the reactions of christians and shed some light on the reactions of atheists. I guess this was what y'all meant by being outspoken

hahn:
Is it just your god or the 4,200 gods also existing?

The God that gives you sleepless nights.

HCpaul:
Learn to solve problems and stop flaunting knowledge where not necessary.

Which problems have you solved so far.
Cos e b lyk say na only mouth you get.

Good day my brothers and sisters in Christ, how do you feel when you are approached by an unbeliever.

Personally, I believe a real Christian should be happy that he has the chance to save a lost soul by reasoning together and discussions backed with intercessions.

Ive been approached by several muslim friends and was more than happy to hear them out and then present the Gospel of salvation to them. A few of them are saved today by the grace of God. I've never been approached by a neutral atheist but I've had discussions with atheist friends and colleagues. I hope an atheist extends his/her evangelism to me offline soon so that we can really have a hearty discussion. Trust me, its always better when you show this people how void their logic is, face to face such that any honest atheist leaves with even more questions about his own stand.


Its unthinkable that a Christian will be angry at an oppourtunity to preach the gospel. I mean, this is a direct order from God to all christians. Jesus preached the gospel everywhere he went and he is our standard. I believe our life, actions and words should preach the gospel anytime anywhere.

It's next to impossible to get recorded videos of angry atheists as proof of atheist intolerance, but I stumbled on the videos of some angry atheists online recently and decided to post the Videos here. Some of them were caught and recorded live on camera. One threathened to kill a preacher that approached him, another threathened to hack any preacher that approaches her to death.

Note: Please do not watch the video if you are easily offended by insults, some really serious foul languages and heavy swearing were used by the atheists therein.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ulkFhAmE6M


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUJKp7lQW-k


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGIvqDKAD5g

These atheists above just need a little bit of power to become the next Mao, Stalin, Pot e.t.c
I think many muslims also share such intolerance as the above, personally I've witnessed such muslims.

Its sad that there is so much hatred and anger in the world.

Love is actually all we need to get along.

Jesus said in the book of John chapter 13:
"This is My commandment, that you love one another as I loved you."

He reiterates in few verses later:

"This is My command to you: Love one another."


Galatians 5:14 tells us about the prime Law.
"The entire Law is fulfilled in a single decree: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

I believe if we loved more, the world will be a better place.

So Christians, whats your reaction when unbelievers approach you?


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Blacksahara, you can pm me and lets have a discussion. You can check a couple topics I opened on the hopelessness of atheism too. God exists wether or not men choose to believe in him. These atheists are filled with hate and will want to drag you down that lane with them.
God loves you and is concerned about your life. Lets talk better.

raphieMontella:
k..bt this works two ways
a christian wud nt leave a muslim or an idol worshipper to do his stuffs...because he feels they are delusional..and that delusion wud lead to eternal damnation..so the human in the christian tries to win that person to his belief...
Is this true or not?

Most of my relatives are muslims. I have spoken to everyone of them at a time. The best thing is to pray for them and let them see you living the life of God. About 7 or 8 of them are now in christ. You dont mock people out of their delusion, atheists do this all the time. It can only be as a result of insecurity not commitment to human life.

raphieMontella:
If u substitute the terms..
Its kinda like the same tin for an average atheist..
Wudnt want his fellow human to keep on living a lie when he/she has jst one life to live...
We both knw Christians first startted the evangelism..

Christians evangelize because they have a mandate. We dont force people to accept Jesus and most importantly, we dont mock people for their beliefs. No Man has the power to convert another. God is the only One who can change a mans heart. The problem is what does it matter to you if you live your life in a lie or not. There is no single thing in this world that atheists do better than christians so what basis do they have. If I open a thread on what atheists do better, you start hearing annoying stuffs like:
You tend to love better, understand the world better, work harder e.t.c
wtf! like seriously! atheism does this better only with their mouth.

raphieMontella:
because every bag of cells have jst an average of 30k days on earth..so it matters a lot...utilizing that chance given to each bag of cells to make the earth better is relevant.
We all have ethics...
Atheists are not cold blooded mammals

Look "it matters a lot" is what you are saying cos atheist leaders have said it and regurgitated it over and over.
The truth is that it does not matter. If humans just exist accidentally to exist, then all actions are equal, either good or bad. You people are terribly ignorant that it is in many peoples nature to be bad, some people derive satisfaction in stealing what does not belong to them, cracking peoples heads open, blowing up buildings for money etc. Not everyone wants to live that socially dictated life of go to school, get a job, have kids and die. Some people want to be FREETHINKERS. Yeah I said freethinkers cos those are the people who really question everything in life. The only things atheists question is religion. And yet in your deluded minds, you feel you can judge such people for the few years of fulfilment/satisfaction they want to live?
The universe did not care to create you, your existence is meaningless. So why does it matter what you do or what meaning each accidental cell bag makes from life. What position are you in to judge the meaning which other people have given to life?
The fact that you all cling firmly to meaning in life is enough proof that there is a God, for you cant use meaningless to proclaim meaning.

raphieMontella:
ok..
But if someone then tells u the Niger-ghana government exists...wont u speak ur opinions abt it?
And if somehow mysteriously a huge number of persons believe in that government...wont u ponder why? And in some instances ask why they do?

Then ill tell him its a lie. If he sounds so convinced, ill make my findings. If I discover its a lie and he's still pretty sure about it, then its a case of delusion. Ill leave him to live his life and not mock him everyday of my life.

Afterall, the universe does not care what you do or dont do, so why are bags of cells deluding themselves into thinking their beliefs or disbeliefs matter?

raphieMontella:
does lacking belief prohibit me from speaking on a concept?
Does ur lack of belief in the present nigerian government prohibit u from talking about it?

I believe in the existence of the Nigerian Government. I lack a belief in the existence of the Niger-ghana government. I dont spend my life dwelling on it.

menesheh:
Your meme picture is awesome but the problem with it is that nobody is inferring that people shouldn't necessarily be allow to believe whatever. It should be private. It is not a crime to believe strongly that eating is good, no harm done.

I guess its not a crime to mock religious peeps too.

braithwaite:


Is it a crime to think for yourself without someone/somebook reference?

Can you give me three conclusions you arrived at using your thought processes alone, without reference to a book/someones existing knowledge.

raphieMontella:
ts nt a matter of god...as u see..i didnt isolate christianity...its a matter of general sincerity..
So if u have answers..answer
if u dont have answers..u prove me right indirectly...
I may be a tree..bt i am a tree of life...

The only answer I have for you; Go and learn what a "LACK OF BELIEF" means.

malvisguy212:
how old are you ? What the point in answering your questions when you already reject the answer ? Wait for the next person to answer you.

Answer at your own peril. Have you ever spoken to a tree?
Well, i guessed so too. Except that this tree spends its only life wanting you to become a tree with him.

Okay we've heard.
But what exactly do you want?

To not believe in God with you?

First time in decades wey we go see something positive about a preacher on front page. NL, I hail thee.

Pastor this, pastor dat.

If NL was the only source of info. in the world, the name "christianity" will be exchanged with "evil".