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FearGodAndLive:
There's stupidity.. and then there's the Nigerian stupidity - steeped in proud ignorance. Unwilling to learn, change or absorb new information.

That's all I see here.

That would depend on if the information is reasonable and useful.

4everGod:
That your quote deserves to be on a T-Shirt bro.

;DWow

Lovely T-Shirt.

I need me one

Thoniameek:
I saw a thread by seun calling on his fellow Nigerian atheist to become outspoken.... I mean not just here on nairaland anymore but out there to Nigerians. And all I could think of is 'disciples'.

What an average Nigerian need is proper education not hopelessness in form of atheism

Yes ooo my sister

To seun and other atheists trying to tell us to become what they aren't, we say Taaar!!!

Seun, Plaetton , Johnydon22 ilovetheline, JackBizzle, Kay17, Weah96 , AgentOfAllah, Ayomikun37 , hahn , sonOfLucifer , frank317 muskeeto , Decker , PastorAIO , ValentineMary , Pyrrho , braithwaite , dragonEmperor , theoneJabulani , cloudgoddess , ifenes , brigance , stephenmorris , thehomer, dalaman, hopefulLandlord, menehsheh, sweetcocoa......Taaar!!!

Muafrika2:
Winner01, remove "s" in the https in the image links in the op

Thanks Bro, I was banned since yesterday for wetin i no know.

KingEbukasBlog:
I love the ending of this article

Nice work bro

Thanks man.

4everGod:

Preach brother Preach!!!

I am Nigerian and I proudly say ...ATHEISM Taaaarr!

Lol.. Taaarrr!!

As hilarious as this lady's post might be, it contains serious elements of truth.
I've been trying to get into the mind of atheists around me for a long time, and all I can perceive is pain and hurt as I am yet to see one Nigerian whose atheism is not as a result of emotional trauma or drug/sexual freedom.

Truly atheism is incoherent. In one breath, it simply defines itself as a lack of belief in God or gods, in another breath, its proponents constantly claim the following views:
- Rejection of religion.
- Conformity to logic and reason
- The acceptance of science
- The belief that their is no God(s): This Belief could be the only logical reason for their bigotry.
- The rejection of dogma
- Science
-Free thinking and open-mindedness
- And more recently, sanity .


What exactly is atheism?, before you say jack they are already telling you about elementary science. Most of their topics here are on religion. One hcpaull has even recently been professing sanity upandan. Another one Agent of allah describes it as an admission of apathy towards God.


Is it that atheism is devoid of substance and has nothing to profess in the absence of religion, science e.t.c

Some of them even side with irreligion by mentioning irreligious countries. Many irreligious people believe in God if not most. I was also irreligious at a time. Does this mean atheism also has to cling to irreligion to validate its stand?
Is there absolutely nothing atheism has to profess for itself?

Before ignorant Nigerian atheists start to tell me that atheism is not a thing or body, its the absense of it or its just a lack of belief in God, here are some atheistic organizations:

-The Freedom from Religion Foundation
- Atheists for Human Rights
- Freethought Society
- Atheist Alliance International
- The Military Association of Atheists and Freethinker
- Anti-Defamation League: Dedicated to battling and defaming christianity.
- Atheist Centre
- New Atheist Movement
- International League of Non-Religious and Atheists
- Rationalist International
- and hundreds of other bodies.

What do these people profess? Atheism? Definately not!!!
They are concerned with the defamation of religion, promotion of atheist states, mockery of religious people, and erecting structures that degrade religion and religious peoole.
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Why do they not just tell us the benefits atheism has to offer? Is there none?

They even have atheist churches
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21319945
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/10/atheist-mega-churches/3489967/

I can imagine what they do in atheist mega churches. If atheism has substance, could they not just name it atheist worship centres?, why churches?
Tim Hawkins wonders what they teach kids at the children section of the atheist mega churches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26nJjNDsbmk


So before some uninformed Nigerians start to spit atheism is not a thing, they should get their facts right first.


The lady also rightly says that all atheism offers is hopelessness. Human beings naturally craves hope. Even atheists who ask us to focus on the "here and now", hope for a better tomorrow. I've given an example here before on the hopelessness of atheism


The late atheist, William Provine said: “No inherent moral or ethical laws exist, nor are there any absolute guiding principles for human society. The universe cares nothing for us and we have no ultimate meaning in life”.


So why do they wish to desperately sell their hopelessness to us? Do they have some sort of personality disorder?.

Why do they blame religion and religious people for the woes of Nigeria? Is it true that the number of religious determines the development/underdevelopment of a country? Is there any study to validate this? Of course not!!!. And why do they focus on christians even when it is glaring that islam destroys souls every single day. Do they really care about religion or is it just Christianity?
China has a christian population of more than 1,349,585,838,
U.S.A (316, 668,567),
Nigeria (174,507,539),
Russia (142,500,482),
Japan (127,253,075). e.t.c

Why are they trying to capitalize on the woes of Africa.
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Africa is its own problem. Give Nigeria money, it wont solve her problems because those at the helm of affairs revere neither God nor Human life and will loot the money at the expense of poor masses.
As the lady above said, our leaders need to fear God and worship him in Spirit and in truth. Africa truly needs God.


Journalist and professed atheist Matthew Paris, upon reflecting of his journey to Africa in his piece as an atheist said; I truly believe Africa needs God, he noted the positive impacts Christianity has had. Essentially, Parris believes, that to remove Christian evangelism from Africa will “leave the continent at the mercy of a malign fusion of Nike, the witch doctor, the mobile phone and the machete”. Paris believes that “Africa needs God…Missionaries, not aid money,” as they “are the solution to Africa’s biggest problem—the crushing passivity of the people’s mindset”.

Parris also saw how those professing belief in Jesus’ name has made life more bearable for many people in Africa. He explains: “Now a confirmed atheist, I’ve become convinced of the enormous contribution that Christian evangelism makes in Africa: sharply distinct from the work of secular NGOs, government projects and international aid efforts. These alone will not do. In Africa Christianity changes people’s hearts. It brings a spiritual transformation. The rebirth is real. The change is good”.
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However, Parris explained that this doesn’t seem to fit his atheism: “It inspired me, renewing my flagging faith in development charities. But travelling in Malawi refreshed another belief, too: one I’ve been trying to banish all my life, but an observation I’ve been unable to avoid since my African childhood. It confounds my ideological beliefs, stubbornly refuses to fit my worldview, and has embarrassed my growing belief that there is no God”.

Similarly, another atheist, Hattersley, criticizes his fellow atheists for their lack of effort in relief effort: “You don’t hear of “Atheist Aid” rather like Christian aid, and, I think, despite my inability to believe myself, I’m deeply impressed by what belief does for people like the Salvation Army… I often say I never hear of atheist organizations taking food to the poor”.

Another atheist Richard Norman explains that “Christianity has inspired not only some of the worst but also most of the best human achievements…. To present christianity and its works in a wholly negative light would in my view be hopelessly unbalanced”.


Below are some studies showing the benefits of religion:

religion is a part of the human nature
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1386533/Belief-religion-simply-universal-human-nature.html
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/05/12/religious-belief-is-human-nature-huge-new-study-claims/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8510711/Belief-in-God-is-part-of-human-nature-Oxford-study.html

education positively affects religious participation and devotional activities in daily life
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs13644-011-0007-4

Church attendance has a positive effect on the grade point average
http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/34099196/going-church-helps-students-grades

Religious involvement and spirituality are associated with better health outcomes, including greater longevity, coping skills, and health-related quality of life (even during terminal illness) and less anxiety, depression, and suicide"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11761504

Lower blood pressures observed among those who frequently prayed or studied the Bible (daily or more often)
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9724889


Religiousity and its influence on immune system
http://www.dukehealth.org/health_library/news/663
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9565726

Religion and its effect on lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and substance use
American Psychiatric Association: http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspxVolume=161&page=2303&journalID=13

Religious people and charity
http://www.pewforum.org/Religion-News/Religious-people-make-better-citizens-study-says.aspx
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jun/16/local/me-beliefs16

And several other research studies...

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The prestigious Mayo Clinic found that religious involvement and spirituality are associated with better physical health and mental health outcomes.
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Religion has "enormous potential for lowering the risk of substance abuse among teens and adults," according to the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse



Atheism is devoid of substance, its is embarrasingly hopeless and seriously lacks retention. Thats why the 2016 International atheist reason rally which was held at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C. had an embrassingly low turnout of less than 10,000 people after its attendance had been predicted to be over 30,000.
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This comes to no surprise. Atheism does not have the intellectual credentials needed in order to be rationally accepted by the educated and rational person. It proposes the non-existence of God without supplanting that claim with evidence - something they constantly request of theists.

In Nigeria and Africa in general, God helps the masses to get through the madness that their terrible and corrupt leaders have subjected them to. And this hope for a better tomorrow will not be stolen by angry atheists.

So as the lady in the oP said;

Because tomorrow go beta, God dey

There is a stadium in Surulere.

Atheists should feel free to take all the seats there and sit down.

Naija people collectively say unto you: “Taaarrr!”

We believe in God.

Ranchhoddas:
This world still get 200years? No be endtime we dey again?

If the bible was written over a period of 4500 years, and 2000 years after, some people are saying end time is taking forever. I can only smile. Only God knows the hour.

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I saw this interesting article somewhere online and I felt I should share it, its hilarious but true. Enjoy:




I have said it here before that the Nigerian brand of atheism is just one bundle of hilariousness.

But, like normal bacterial flora, that belief system (Yes, it is a belief system that believes it’s all about a lack of belief .) still does have its usefulness to the body of Christ, especially as planet earth prepares to wrap up its existence.

But I can bet a thousand pounds on the fact that Nigerians would never take atheists seriously anytime soon.

Not only is that belief system hilariously incoherent, it does not in anyway appeal to the Nigerian spirit.

First, all atheism offers is hopelessness.
We are all products of random chance, there is no reason for our existence and after all our sufferings: no light, no fuel, no food, we all will just die piiii like that.




Nothing somebody wee norr hear shaa!

For your information and in the spirit of kindness, I am telling you this free of charge: Don’t you ever tell that to a Nigerian.

The Nigerian spirit is an optimistic one.

NEPA don take light? No wahala!

We would simply straighten our clothes with charcoal iron and turn up at that wedding or that house-opening like an army of powerful wildebeests.



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I mean, look at this! Photo Credits: Wedding Digest Naija


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The audacity of hope.. Photo Credits: amillionstyles.com



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Oh the amazing positivity! Photo Credits: George Okoro (tumblr.com)


Because tomorrow go better!

God dey!

Have you ever thought of what keeps that Keke driver sane in the midst of severe fuel scarcity?

Like, at the end of the day, all he goes home with to meet his pregnant wife and six children all under the age of ten, is N3000 ($9.38)?
The rent has piled up, quit notice is on the table, the twins are down with malaria, school fees have not been paid, the roof is leaking rain water, and you come to tell him there is no God, that this life is utterly meaningless and the odds that things will get better for him are no more certain than getting a double six in a game of ludo?

Do you mean him well?
You want him to end up on crack?

Na waa for you people o.

Or what do you think about the young lady who was gang-raped by cult-boys at the university?
Cult-boys who are now married with children, living the life, working in oil rigs (or in politics), snapping and posting lovey-dovey pictures on Instagram?

You come to social media to type that there is no God, no ultimate justice, no karma, no judgement.
So she sits still to let your message sink in, carefully considering how much these guys have stuffed the police and the courts with money.

She realises that the arm of justice in Nigeria is very short.

Her hope is in the God of heaven who you are trying (rather unsuccessfully I must say) to deny?

You want to turn her into an assassin?
Oh, you are shaking your head.. No be you say morality is relative/subjective?

Ekwe!

And the widow at the ministry of finance who has not been paid for months? What do you think is preventing her from just stealing all the money in the treasury?
Her children are sick, the promised change has turned into a mirage, mosquitoes are biting with double fury. But she chooses not to steal.

She tells you that there is a Supreme Judge to whom she has to answer, but you scornfully say no, He doesn’t exist and morality is relative.

Are you seeing yourself?

The annoying part of this campaign is that it is full of lies.

I have heard Nigerian atheists say that many developed countries are atheistic.

So, should Nigerians troway their faiths inside dustbin, we would magically transform into Scandinavia!

Ugha! Lies!

Take a look at this statistic from Norway.
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And this one from Finland.
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See Denmark people o!
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Even Germany!
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And the UK where yours sincerely has lived for three years.
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And the most powerful nation on earth: The United States.
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83%!!

Let that sink in for a moment.

We realise that mere religion without a true relationship with God has done a lot of hemehe in this world.

The reason is very simple: Religion is an attempt to get to God. It is humanly engineered and so is bound to be riddled with errors. Sometimes, very serious ones.

But, that cannot in anyway disprove the existence of God!
That there are thousands of fake N500 notes in circulation cannot disprove the existence of genuine notes.

What people like me have dedicated our lives to, is to point Nigerians to the true God, to make us realise the futility of merely professing religion without a true connection to God, and to re-emphasise these words spoken by Jesus Christ who is God incarnate.

He said:

“God is a Spirit, and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” (John 4:24).

That is what we need in our dear nation.

Patriotism and a relationship with God are not mutually exclusive.

In fact, true patriotism, in every meaning of that phrase, requires a genuine relationship with Yaweh.

So, Nigerian atheists, you guys can as well pick another struggle.

We full blooded Nigerians are not ready to listen to your incoherence.

There is a stadium in Surulere.

Please feel free to take all the seats there and sit down.

Naija people collectively say unto you: “Taaarrr!”

Screen-shots: Wiki, ABC news.


Source: ujuconfyokorie./nigerian-atheists-should-shaa-take-several-seats

Please by all means, eradicate religion.

The movement to eradicate religion has started since the 14th century, try your luck too.

Just be ready to kill several people just as former atheist leaders did. Without that, your great grand children will open this same thread with the same title in 200 years time.

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okay

dalaman:
Where did Moa kill people in the name of atheism like say Moses, Ezekiel, Joshua and all the genocidal idiots in your bible who killed people ONLY because Yahweh told them to according to the bible?

Dont cry!!!

"We will substitute materialism for [philosophical] idealism and atheism for theism."- Mao Zedong, Examples Of Dialectics, 1959


Do you want 10 more?

9. Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel,
10. and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself


Two options:

1. The elders had some glimpse of the glory of God, though whatever they saw, it was something of which no image or picture could be made. Nothing is described but what was under his feet.
How do you see someone and the only description you have is the under of his feet.

Timothy was right: No one can see God and live, but one can see or behold the glory or the goodness of God.

Just like God told Moses later:
“I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will proclaim my name, the Lord, in your presence. . . . But . . . you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live”.


2. They may also have seen a christophany (a pre-incarnate image of God). Jacob wrestled with such being, and it was said that he wrestled with God. We know its not possible to wrestle with God.

These are my opinions, others can give theirs.



Stephen, You wont see me on such threads cos the aim of such threads are mockery and nothing more. I'm in a lighter mood that why i have decided to oblige you. My sole intent on this section is being reflected in my threads. Thanks.

hahn:
No I am not suffering from any pain of trauma but there are lots of people in Igbobi who are accident victims. Some are even amputees. Why don't you go and pray for them, restore an amputated limb or something. Remember, nothing is too big for YOUR god

Many people have been healed of sicknesses and diseases, you still deny.
Why do you want me not to believe in God with you?

:-k

4everGod:
CHINEDU the deceiver. So you bedwetted till you were 29? Chai! No wonder your brain is scrambled. Your entire life has been a mess! So for 29yrs you were actively bedwetting. smh cc kingebukanaija, kingebukasblog you need to see this.

winner01, felixomor, naijadeyhia, tempem, analice107, strawman you guys need to see this.

Nawa oo!

Little wonder he is angry with God. He still ft dey bedwet sef.

hahn:
Trying to fight what?

Are you suffering from pain or trauma, just say it. I can pray for you.

You dont need to force people to share your bitterness.

KingEbukasBlog:
Winner01 ,

Atheistic Logic : I dont understand this particular bible verse therefore it is illogical

Good Lord !!!

These atheists have been brainwashed to the point of no return . Just like the other day he thought God gave birth to Jesus and called God Jesus' dad .

Make these atheists go sidon jare ...

Lmao

hahn:


Clown

You know who you spend your life trying to fight, so why are you lying?

HCpaul:
Prove what? After the guy don kill the matter with informative points abi.

Apart from God and other myths that is recorded in the Bible can you please tell me 3 more creatures or myths that exist outside this world? Your knowledge is limited to only what the Bible says about the creation as you are not ready to expand your insights to a physical world based on evidence. This is a material world for that matter and humanity that exist in the physical body. We shouldn't be concerned with the supernatural in other to provide solutions to the unknown.

Ok! The GPOLG creatures exist, prove it??

You are a disgrace to intelligence. He knows far more than you when it comes to insights on the physical world. Parroting the word science will not make you a scientist. Go to school.

hahn:
If you say "God" is real I will ask you, which "God"?

If you say YOUR "God" is real I will ask you, "what about the other 4,200 Gods?"

If you say they are not real and yours is the realest, I will say "that is EXACTLY what they say about YOUR god"

Do you get it?

No, I dont get it. I think you know the real God. That is Who you spend your life fighting against.

KingEbukasBlog:
Exactly !!!!Exactly !!! Oh my God exactly!!!

Ab initio mundi , we as Christians have been way better than they'll ever be , wealthier , more accomplished , more distinguished . smarter just name it . There is no proof atheism is the better choice yet they want people to become atheists Where is the logic in that


Why would anyone want to join a losing side Ewwww

Christians even live better than them. So why do they want us to but their hopelesness. They offer us this everyday of their lives. Is there something the atheists are not telling us?

donnffd:
Yes, the universe had a beginning,but to assume that whatever started the universe was an eternal intelligent being is a very wild speculation. There are far more better explanations like it being a fluke accident in a 11-dimensional hyperspace, or two universes colliding, or even a mother universe spliting into half. How can you invoke intelligence where intelligence has no means of entering?

Just look at your logic;
1. Fluke accident
2. accidental collision
3. Univers fission

Are you this desperate? Can people see this.
If I told you an airplane could come about by fluke, accident or fission of older metals, how will you react?. Is it not more logical to believe that a Creator created the airplane (which by the way, is far less complex than the universe).
https://cdn.airplane-pictures.net/images/uploaded-images/2016/8/8/762090.jpg
I dont know why you people are intentionally denying the obvious.
This is why I prefer not to engage in discussions with you guys, its never about logic.

donnffd:
Stop playing a word game, Life came from non-life in the bible

The Giver of life gave life. It takes wilful stubbornness not to see how powerful a Being who created such a vast universe could be.

donnffd:
So you end up in the same position where the scientists are, the only difference is that you are fine that life formed from dust, while science is trying to get "the real truth", how organic chemistry would interact to create a self-duplicating system.

You are no better scientist than I am, none of you is. Early and contemporary scientists perceived law in nature and law requires a law-giver and not strings of fluke. Acknowledging this fact is perfectly rational, and that is why they wanted to know and study HOW it was done. Rationalism which you people seek to hijack was started by theists. Rene Descateres was the first mordern rationalist, Sir Francis Bacon (the founder of applied science) inspired the mordern scientific attitude that favours skepticism, systematic observation and verification of claims by independent empirical observations, and many other theists. These are people who knew that Life was formed by God - the Life giver. Science is not meant to be based on fraternity as it is now but on truth, so when you use the phrase "Science is trying to get the real truth", these great and historically great scientists were theists who were trying to give answers for humanity.

donnffd:
To clear things up, sexual reproduction first arose about 550 million years ago, so you can see why we know very little about its origins. Modern man didnt mutate from modern woman, thats a very silly thing to say, the idea is that male forms were the mutated sex, and it happened when reproduction was very simple, due to evolution, sexual organ have become more complex thus resulting to sex for reproduction. I do not demonstrate infinite knowledge but Evolution explains why men have tips, creationism does not, not just human tips, other primates also have tips, so it has to explain theirs too.

I would be waiting...

What is all these ? How did you know sexual reproduction arose 550 million years ago?
You see the bolded, Just tell us why the male forms had to mutate, tell us how the female forms were reproducing, tell us if we should be expecting another human mutation from men. How about other female life forms, did they also communicate to themselves to evolve male forms?
Look, just stay in a quiet room and read the bolded aloud severally so you can hear how such nonsense sounds.
Creationism birthed all the knowledge we know today and is still doing so, Evolution seeks to plant its feet in mordern science just because of its usefulness to atheism.
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donnffd:
We have had cilivilation for about 5000years prior to science, and where were we and then boom, science comes, and in just 500years, look what we know and what we have accomplished. If thats not evidence enough for you, then i dont know what else would suffice.

Science does not come in. Theists usher in science. The science you cling to so desperately was founded and reinforced by theists. And these ones worshipped the greatest Scientist. Why then do you want me to join your band of angry atheists when some of greatest pioneers and acheivers of mordern science were theists ?

donnffd:
You asking why know the truth if its all for nothing is like asking why watch a movie if you know its all fake!, people watch movies, that doesnt mean there is a creator who imbed that in them, then why do you assume a creator for the former?

Movies are intelligently created and that is why people watch them.
Movies did not arise by luck, accidents, fission or chance. People watch interesting movies because those movies were created.
If the world didnt matter as you all say, you wont contend with me for the truth.

donnffd:
Well acquiring knowledge has been part and parcel of human evolution, we are naturals at wanting to know, it must have been an evolutionary aid in the past, it has gotten stuck to us now and we are building on it like every other quality we got from evolution(love, laughter, sorrow, aggressiveness e.t.c)

"It must have been"

What is this , This is why you people dont need a logicak argument.

You people just say anything to make yourselves feel better, right .

donnffd:
You cannot dictate what you want from the universe or not, the universe doesnt give a damn about what you want, its a brutal fact, your inability to comprehend that fact is why you are so religious and i get that but i would say and always say that it is better to accept reality for what it is than to have delusions no matter how reassuring they are.

Lol. You want me to accept reality because you are sure of the totality of reality right? Cos you created reality right? Or maybe you're just emotionally insecure.
If the universe does not give a damn, just relax and seek a good time before you perish. You do not need to spend your limited time dictating to other people to become what you're not.
Remember not to judge other accidental bag of cells who wish to satisfy their fantacies by blowing up buildings or cracking open the heads of other accidental cell bags. Its what they wish to do with their few years on earth, the universe does not care anyway if you invent an airplane or blow up airplanes, and neither should you.

donnffd:
Where exactly is this enough proof?

I can only come up with one at the moment, just look in the mirror.

AmenRa1:
Winner01 u christian lies won't work with me!!

Ok, I don hear. Quickly cook up fake dates for the rest of the quotes like you did to the second quote.

AmenRa1:
Funny the same 1941+ this quote we're made

"I am Catholic and will remain so until the day I die"– HITLER , 1941

“Along with the fight for a purer morality we have taken upon ourselves the struggle against the decomposition of our religion. We have therefore taken up the struggle against the Godless movement, and not just with a few theoretical declarations; we have stamped it out. And above all we have dragged the priests out of the lowlands of the political party struggle and have brought them back into the church." -Adolf Hitler, In celebration of Germany’s exit from the League of Nations, maintains that the Third Reich actively implements the Christian agenda , 1945[/b]

"I often feel that we will have to undergo all the trials the devil and hell can devise before we achieve Final Victory....I may be no pious churchgoer, but deep within me I am nevertheless a devout man. That is to say, I believe that he who fights valiantly obeying the laws which a god has established and who never capitulates but instead gathers his
forces time after time and always pushes forward—such a man will not be abandoned by the Lawgiver. Rather he will ultimately receive the blessing of Providence. And that blessing has been imparted to all great spirits in history." - Adolf Hitler, as quoted from Albert Speer's Inside the Third Reich: Memoirs (1982)

“Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism the destroyer. Nevertheless, the Galilean, who later was called Christ, intended something quite different. He must be regarded as a popular leader who too up His position against Jewry. Galilee was a colony where the Romans had probably installed Gallic legionaries, and it's certain that Jesus was not a Jew. The Jews, by the way, regarded Him as the son of a LovePeddler-- of a LovePeddler and a Roman soldier ... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St. Paul. He gave himself to this work with subtlety and for purposes of personal exploitation. For the Galiean's object was to liberate His country from Jewish oppression. He set Himself against Jewish capitalism, and that's why the Jews liquidated Him.” – Adolf Hitler ,
Table-Talk (page 76)

“ Christ was an Aryan, and St. Paul used his doctrine to mobilize the criminal underworld and thus organize
a proto-Bolshevism.” – Adolf Hitler Table-Talk (page 143)

"With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people" – Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

“The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.” – Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” – Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

I'm very happy people can see this.

1. The first quote is not true and has been refuted by reputable secular historians. It was added by desperate individuals.

2. You purposely changed the date of the second quote to 1945, when it was actually made in 1933. The statement was made in celebration of germany's exit from the league of nations in 1933. The picture below is additional proof.


3. The remaining quotes have no dates, you still have enough time to cook up dates for them.

Weah96:
Traditional religions represent a cultural identity. Many atheist Jews practice judaism, Ari Shaffir the comedian, for example. Yoruba people have a culture and value system which cannot be removed from their ancestral spirituality. Chinese people may be atheist in principle and yet still practice Taoism culturally.

So in a nutshell, christianity took away our cultural identity?

AmenRa1:
Mouth? U Are not serious if I should bring statistic this thread will not end!! Only the inquisition could take 7pages...don't even try joking with me am not ready for that!
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Mouth!!!.
Most atheists here have also christian quotes to their names before they became atheists. Those quotes were in 1929.
Look at that date im about to provide very well, then show me his christian quotes after those dates.

winner01:
In June 1941, Hitler ordered an invasion of the Soviet Union. And on 12th July, 1941, he gave the following quote

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)


On 10th October, 1941, he said:

"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)


on 14th October, 1941, he said

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....
"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....
"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....
"Christianity is the liar....
"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52) Hitlers' Table Talks.


On October 19th, 1941
"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges, the pox and christianity"- Table talks"


December 13th of the same year, he said "When all is said and done, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunized against the disease."

So get to work dude.

Richirich713:
What theist says "God can come from Nothing"?

Seems like a strawman.

It is a strawman.