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Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 10:07pm On Aug 12, 2016
Weah96:
EXACTLY. See, you can follow clues when you wanna.



No bro. Why must someone come bro? You envision a small minded creator bro, one burdened by human constraints and ideas.

If Jesus was Nigerian, I would have kept quiet. Although that Olumba Olumba fellow is looking increasingly promising.
A Creator wont be burdened about ideas or constraints if He didnt care about us.
Whoever puts us here cares what humans do. Its rational to believe that.

So its not even about religion, its about foreign religion to you?
Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 9:58pm On Aug 12, 2016
AnonyNymous:
Nobody is separating you from your creator, nobody cares - thats the way it should be. Religion has too much influence and power over things that should be secular.
You care, thats why you want people to disbelieve in God with you.

Again, how do you intend to reduce religious power and influence without infringing on the rights of people.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Theist's Logic Are Far More Superior by winner01(m):
donnffd:
I dont know why Atheists here keep arguing with many theists, its a fruitless exercise, they obviously have a far more superior logic than you do
I also dont know why atheists spend so much time trying to convince people not to believe in God.
No single atheist has been able to outline the benefits of atheism over christianity, so why do they desperately want to take away the values of people who find happiness with God?
Beats me really!!


donnffd:
Atheist Logic : [s]it is possible for the universe to come out of Nothing[/s]
Theist Logic : That's nonsense, something cannot come from Nothing, but God can come from Nothing and can create the universe from Nothing
Christian Logic: It has been proven that the universe had a beginning, the known dimensions of the universe include time and space. And these sprang into existence with the universe. Human, who are a product of the universe, absorb, reinforce and reflect within the CONFINES of time and space. What was in existence before time and space does not fit into the human brain. It cant even be called nothing. The human idea of nothing is a part of time and space.
Whoever was acting before the universe began is not subject to time (timeless) and space.
When something is timeless, it is eternal i.e no beginning, no end.
To ask who created an eternal being is to assume that this being is confined by time. But we know time has a beginning. We are talking of a God before the beginning. An Eternal God.


donnffd:
Atheist Logic : [s]Life arose from organic chemistry from a process we dont understand yet[/s]
Theist Logic : That's absolute nonsense, Life cannot come from Non-life, Life just appeared magically by the command of God
Christian Logic : Life really cannot come from non-life, every scientific evidence has pointed us back to the fact that life can only come from pre-existing life forms. The existence of life and available evidence defies all known scientific theories attempting to prove its origin. It is rational enough to believe that life came from the Giver of life

donnffd:
Atheist Logic : [s]Men mutated from Women, we all started female, and thats why men have two useless nipples.[/s]
Theist Logic : Thats so illogical, Women were formed from one rib of a Man, that makes more sense and far more logical
Christian Logic: There is no evolutionary need to mutate into a man, because it has greatly lowered the reproductive capabilities and reduced the chances of survivability of our species. The lower life forms such as bacteria, viruses and protozoa that we supposedly evolved from are sexless and far more prolific. If they can reproduce by far simpler methods, why can’t we? If evolution is true, what went wrong?
Also, before men allegedly mutated from women, how were the women reproducing, since they needed males to fertilize their eggs and ensure their continuity?
It takes greater faith to believe in nonsense than sense. Christians believe that God created male and female beings, and each of these reproduces after their kinds.

Bonus: Instead of calling the nipples useless, just say we dont know its importance yet, like you claimed in your second logic. Learning is an ongoing process, do not demonstrate infinite knowledge.



donnffd:
Atheist Logic : Science is the best route to Knowledge
Theist Logic : That seems fair only if it corresponds with what some goat-herders wrote thousands of years ago.
Christian Logic: The statement/conclusion that science is the best route to knowledge is in itself unscientific and unproven. It assumes that everything - from the universe, to human emotion, to spiritual experiences - is explainable through scientific research.
To arrive at valid scientific conclusions: You
1. Figure out the problem
2. Research
3. Hypothesis
4. Experiment
5. Analyze results
6. Conclusions
7. Communicate results


So we can see that such statement is a philosophical premise, not a scientific conclusion. The only way to definitively prove that science explains everything would be to have exhaustive knowledge of all reality, and then be able to explain (using only scientific data) what all reality is and what it means. Such a feat is impossible. Therefore, the belief that science is the best source of knowledge must be accepted on faith, since it cannot be verified through testing.

Also we need to ask why knowledge better is than ignorance since nothing matters. Atheists may respond that if you believe wrong things or don’t know enough about your environment, you’re less likely to survive and flourish. But this explanation only applies to a small amount of scientific knowledge. There is little survival value in knowing, for example, the complicated workings of time-space theory, or the genus of certain insects, or the distance from Jupiter to Mars. All of these facts are pursued by scientists as being intrinsically valuable, yet they offer little information that can help guarantee a species’ continued existence.

The real explanation is that scientists pursue these facts because there’s intrinsic value in knowing what’s true about the world, regardless of how much help it gives us. Human beings believe knowing is better than ignorance because they believe truth is better than falsity, and light is better than darkness. But where does such a conclusion come from? Not from scientific principles. Science itself offers no self-evident account for why it should be pursued. You cannot study science hard enough to understand why you should study science at all.
To study science presupposes a valuing of truth that must be experienced outside of scientific study. It’s only rational to pursue scientific knowledge that doesn’t offer immediate survival value if there is some external, transcendent value in knowing truth. Christianity offers an explanation for why knowing truth is valuable. Atheism does not.

If the material universe is all there was, is, and ever will be, then science itself is nothing more than a shot in the dark. If, however, human beings are the products of an infinitely greater mind, then we have justification for believing that true and false are valuable realities and not just delusions of cell bags crawling in a ball of dust floating somewhere in space.


donnffd:
Atheist Logic : Death is a natural process of life
Theist Logic : Thats nonsense, There was originally no death(except for all other animals and plants and insects and pretty much all life), then man sinned against God, then we started dying like the rest of them...who can argue with that logic?
Christian Logic: The universe cannot create us to live, suffer and die. It does not follow. Mindlessness does not create mind.
There is a strain we feel everywhere, between the forces of ; Good and evil, Success and failure, Truth and err, Light and darkness and ultimately life and death. The contention of these forces are evident in our world. If death or any of those elements listed above is simply natural like everything, atheists wont contend with christians for the truth. Everyone seems to value truth even when some proclaim that the universe cares less about our truths or error. The atheists contention for the truth defies their claims of naturalistic purposelessness.
If humans did not arise by any known natural process, its makes sense to disregard death as a natural process.

donnffd:
Atheist Logic : [s]We had the ice-age a few thousand years ago[/s]
Theist Logic : Thats nonsense, There was a global flood that killed the dinosaurs,mixed salt-water and fresh-water together, killed all life except for the once on a boat...Thats far more logical
There is enough proof that there was a global flood. Reasonable people are somewhat slaves to proof. All available evidence points in the direction of a Creator.
If you really believe the universe is all there is, the truth or falshood wont mean so much to you.


donnffd:
How can you win with such an impressive display of logical prowress?
You want to win because you are fighting against your conscience. You may eventually win the fight. But it wont make you right.
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Till Death; Atheist Joseph Stalin's Last Act Against God by winner01(op): 8:56pm On Aug 12, 2016
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Christianity Etc › Re: To Athiests,christains Always Add Value To Mankind by winner01(m): 7:31pm On Aug 12, 2016
Nice question op. What exactly has atheism done for humanity. Dont be suprised none of them can answer, cos there are no answers.









frank317:
So what has being an atheist got to with adding or not adding value to human life?
Pls don't tell me that as old as u are, u still don't know the meaning of atheism.
Oh pls for how long will Christians continue to display their ignorance on public forum
Some people find meaning and value with God.
If atheism is simply disbelief in gods, then what are they fighting for? That we should disbelief with them? undecided
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Are You Right? by winner01(m): 7:26pm On Aug 12, 2016
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Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 7:13pm On Aug 12, 2016
AnonyNymous:
I don't call for a total ban because that'd be irrational and against freedom of expression. But I think that religion should not be elevated to the level that it is today and should be more personal, to the point that no one cares but you yourself, just as nobody comes asking you on the street if your bellybutton is in or out.
How do you intend to do this, you would have to kill someone like me to try to seperate me from my Creator. Many other people are like me.
Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 7:07pm On Aug 12, 2016
AnonyNymous, what exactly do you believe in?
Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 7:04pm On Aug 12, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
Please explain to me how opposition to Christianity/religion equates atheism. Show me one quote where Hitler renounced belief in a Higher Power.
hahahahaha grin, Na so you wan do am undecided I tire oo.

You people ehn undecided grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 5:23pm On Aug 12, 2016
Weah96:
One man is the solution to the problems of the whole world, and he's Israeli by origin.
Ok.

Sounds like Donald Trump a few weeks ago. He called himself the ONLY solution for America's problems and got riduculed for expressing megalomania in public.

But i get your point. This your Jesus created the whole universe. Before he became an Israeli human and died.
If Jesus were to come from Nigeria, israelites will say the same thing, if he was to fly to earth from heaven, you'll still say the same thing
Jesus had to come from somewhere bro.
Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 5:16pm On Aug 12, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
Like the truth about Hitler being atheist right?
Should I provide you with 5 quotes of Hitler against christianity and the dates, while you provide for me just 1 pro-christian quite from Hitler after the dates i will provide?
Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 5:14pm On Aug 12, 2016
Weah96:
Christians exterminated them in order to occupy their lands. The fact that they were indigenous heathens had everything to do with it. Can we divorce purpose from identity?

Stalin killed those opposed to his ideas, did he kill because people believed in god? That's a real narrow way of presenting an argument.
Should I provide you with 10 quotes from stalin against religion and religious people while you provide me with just one religious quote from any of the leaders of the Amer-indian wars?
Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 5:11pm On Aug 12, 2016
AnonyNymous:
I'm not diluting anything, I explained in my first post and then in my responses to king Ebuka, read those objectively first
You did not give any evidence refuting my claim, you've only tried to redefine what communism stands for albeit in a disgraceful manner.
KingEbukasBlog has dealt with those sorta dishonesty smoothly.
Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 5:07pm On Aug 12, 2016
chijiblaze:
Nobody killed anybody with the aim of promoting atheism. Stalin and Pol Pot killed thousands in order to perpetuate themselves in power not for the religion they believed in.
Maybe you need to read the quotes of those individuals in the op.
Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 5:05pm On Aug 12, 2016
AnonyNymous:
Winner, as usual, defying logic. My post simply gave you the context on which communism was founded, and the explanation to their antireligious statements. But as usual, you're not here to learn. Your mind is set in stone and you see what you want to see.
*******
Its funny how religious nuts like him are quick to scream that atheists take things like bible verses out of context, but then quote statements without understanding the context behind them. I provided that for him and he says I'm 'changing history'. Smh
My mind is open to evidences that can disprove my claims, not emotional statements that seeks to dilute the truth.

You want to explain the contextual meaning of when one says: Religion is a disease and should be eradicated.
ok!
Go on, i'm listening.
Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 5:02pm On Aug 12, 2016
hopefuLandlord:
Bros, I've been very clear, if atheism is evil, then you have to proffer a "non-evil" alternative that opposes it, if the alternative that's opposing it has it's own evil, then its definitely not a solution
Ive told you. Religion is not the solution, Jesus is the solution.
Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 5:01pm On Aug 12, 2016
Seun:
I don't think the OP really believes any of his arguments. I'll engage him when he is willing to be honest. He's just trolling us in my view.
Seun, do you want me to prove the intolerance of 2016 atheists to you, just say the magic word. Im not trolling you.
Ive made my comparisons and backed them with proof, that's not trolling.
Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 4:57pm On Aug 12, 2016
AmenRa1:
What did I just read!! Well am not surprised it's a "Christian thing" LIE!
Fact:
From the 11th century to the 18th century Christian have been killing I won't compair this to the atheist that av killed but I will compare it to Muslims. the amount of people the Muslims have killed up to this day, is not even up to quarter of the amount of people the Christian have killed an tortured for over 700years now. this is not to include the Jews O just Christian we have the holy war,the Inquisition, the Holocaust and what have U undecided
This is one of the reason m following this thread. not to even talk of slavery self our African men & women that were beaten nearly half to death by Christians and our women that we're raped? And U have the guts to make that foolish statement of urs??
Okay sir.

Mouth=100%

Proof with valid statistics=0%

You try.
Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 4:56pm On Aug 12, 2016
Weah96:
http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/7302

Another one:

https://espressostalinist.com/genocide/native-american-genocide/



Why do you ignore 100 million dead humans? Narrative doesn't add up, heh?
But why now? undecided
I want to know where the indians were killed because of their disbelief in God or because americans wanted their lands.

You dont always have to bring up anything just to meet up with the madness of atheism.

I always included non religious, non atheistic deaths in my proof. Im not a bias person.
Its like calling nigerian-cameroon struggle for land a religious war. Dont be desperate when you dont have answers na undecided
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Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 4:51pm On Aug 12, 2016
DeSepiero:
We don't try to understand or pick a point from another fellows argument while we debate. We rather look for conflicting ideas. This is a problem!!

Let's try to be empathetic.
We could learn a whole lot from one another.

Cc. HopefulLandlord, Winner01
I started by making claims and giving proof, have you seen anyone refute my evidence except strawman and ad hominems.
Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 4:47pm On Aug 12, 2016
Ranchhoddas:
Those dishonest threads that you create every other day right?
You wish they were dishonest. I give proofs supporting my claim, else it would have been easy to refute them.
No one can dispute the evidences in my posts simply because they are the truth.
Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 4:46pm On Aug 12, 2016
DeSepiero:
We don't try to understand or pick a point from another fellows argument while we debate. We rather look for conflicting ideas. This is a problem!!

Let's try to be empathetic.
We could learn a whole lot from one another.

Cc. HopefulLandlord, Winner01
I started by making claims and giving proof, have you seen anyone refute my evidence except strawman and ad hominems.
Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 4:45pm On Aug 12, 2016
hopefuLandlord:
He's been boxed to a corner

Let's say atheists killed 1B people

Theists killed 10M people (just examples pls)

He's now saying we should go for the one that killed 10M because it killed less people; and he still doesn't see a problem in that logic
Brain na!!!!
You see, i choose my words carefully, i ddnt say we should stick to religion, i havent made such statement. This thread only exposes atheism. If anything, Jesus is the answer for the world.
Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 4:45pm On Aug 12, 2016
hopefuLandlord:
Bros, now your dishonesty is laid bare

Deviates from believing in GOD (by God, you mean Yahweh) the same dishonesty I've always referred to

I've been straightforward in my posts here by making it clear that this is a "theism vs atheism" debate

[size=15pt]ALMOST ALL THE KILLINGS IN YOUR HOLY BOOK WERE CARRIED OUT BY THEISTS; ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE[/size]

now, back to the beginning of this argument; my post you're trying to counter is simply this



Bros, even neutrals can see that you've not countered that, you've only shown that both atheists and theists both have evil mentalities of their predecessors

[size=17pt]ALL YOU (WINNER01) HAS DONE SO FAR IS PROVE ME RIGHT; IF ATHEISM HAS EVIL MENTALITIES; THEISM IS NOT THE SOLUTION EITHER[/size]
[size=17pt]The only solution ive not proferred here is that A Relationship with God is the answer. And that is the solution. Ordinary theism will lead nowhere.[/size]
Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 4:43pm On Aug 12, 2016
hopefuLandlord:
He's been boxed to a corner

Let's say atheists killed 1B people

Theists killed 10M people (just examples pls)

He's now saying we should go for the one that killed 10M because it killed less people; and he still doesn't see a problem in that logic
Brain na!!!!
You see, i choose my words carefully, i ddnt say we should stick to religion, i havent made such statement. This thread only exposes atheism. If anything, Jesus is the answer for the world.
Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 4:42pm On Aug 12, 2016
hopefuLandlord:
So, "theism" isn't the solution?

That's what you're saying?
Of course, religionis not the solution. God is the solution. Religious people were constantly against Jesus.
Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 4:39pm On Aug 12, 2016
hopefuLandlord:
Why are you scared of answering that question?

TAKE YOUR BIBLE AND SHOW ME WHERE AN ATHEIST KILLED SOMEONE
Whats has happened to you today? Its like me referring to a physics textbook asking it to show me what to eat. The book has a target, it does not record every history of all humans. I also cant show you in the bible where a muslim killed someone, but islamic murders are evident in our world. Crying wont stop the Bible from being the best seller ever.
Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op):
hopefuLandlord:
[size=15pt]PLS GUYS THIS TOPIC IS ABOUT ATHEISM, SO COUNTER POINTS SHOULD PLS REFER TO "THEISM" AS A WHOLE RATHER THAN SITE EXAMPLES OF ONLY ONE OF THE RELIGIONS

LAST TIME I CHECKED, BOKO HARAM ARE "THEISTS"
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[size=15pt]If boko haram continues to kill for the next 20 years at theist rate, they still wont meet the record of madness frim just one atheist. Mao ze dong.[/size]
Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 4:32pm On Aug 12, 2016
FearGodAndLive:
It is. The hope of heaven keeps u going through suffering. There can be no progress where a people's creativity, aspirations, ideas and dreams spring from a dead Jew's cross, a story converted by their Colonizers for the sole purpose of control. No Holy Spirit prophecy can change or erase that part of our history. Neither Christianity nor Islam was created with the African's progress in mind.
Those creativity, aspirations, ideas and dreams have been far better and are still far better than that of atheism. There are proofs of discoveries, inventions and innovations of these christians whose minds were influenced by our Lord Jesus.

Your cries and pain wont erase that fact.
Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 4:30pm On Aug 12, 2016
hopefuLandlord:
And I've given you an assignment

Go to your Bible and other religious books; pick out killings by atheists
The Bible records only the history of israelites and few other clans to pass a message. It is not an hostory textbook.
We can turn to our history text books to find out about atheists murderers in history.
Christianity Etc › Re: Communist Leaders And Atheists; Is There Any Difference? by winner01(op): 4:29pm On Aug 12, 2016
FearGodAndLive:
He made claims. You jumped up with a notepad, typed 'atheist killings' on Google, and opened over 12 tabs worth of copy-and-paste, ready to bombard him with. Christ must be proud of your kind of evangelism.
Wow, and you're so sure I did just that. undecided Maybe you should type atheist killings on google and counter my facts.

Its evident you cant defend the evils committed in the name of atheism. Just watch and sulk if you cant.
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Presidents And Heads Of State; A Quick Re-examination by winner01(op): 3:12pm On Aug 12, 2016
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