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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheism And Morality; Do Atheists Have A Foundation For Morality by winner01(op): 9:31am On Jul 24, 2016

dalaman:
Its true. I know christians that treat their dogs better than others.

We can judge them from the life of christ.

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Till Death; Atheist Joseph Stalin's Last Act Against God by winner01(op): 9:29am On Jul 24, 2016

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Presidents And Heads Of State; A Quick Re-examination by winner01(op): 9:27am On Jul 24, 2016

Christianity Etc › Re: What Exactly Has Atheism Done For Humanity? by winner01(op): 9:26am On Jul 24, 2016

KingEbukaNaija:
Brilliant reasoning !!

Even the Israelites murmured

I'm excited you did. Thanks

Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Need To Fight The Believers. by winner01(m): 9:23am On Jul 24, 2016

lawani:
I am not saying there is no hell. A bad person's soul, an ika's soul can not rest in peace. So that is hell but if you say I hav to believe a heretic Jew is God, a homeless man who lived in the first century, an unethical magician is God and if I do not believe, I will go to hell, will it be wrong for me to slap you since you believe the rubbish you are saying and I feel threatened? That is the issue. Christians want to take over the world just like Islam and those are the two theologies with that ambition. No other. How can they do that without violence?

No christian wants to take over the world. We've had the chance and we still do. Look around you, there are no official christian countries.

We have islamic and atheist nations and both are hoping to see a world filled with their ideologies.

If a christian tells you to avoid hell, please go on and slap him if you feel threatened.
It shows how far you will restrict freedom of speech and worship if you ever get to a place of power.

Muslims have told me that, i just smile and pass. No big deal.

Stalin, pot, mao etc had the same ideology you have right now.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Need To Fight The Believers. by winner01(m): 8:30am On Jul 24, 2016

lawani:
The only answer to christian and Islamic terrorism is violence. You can not be threatening me with hell, teaching children to hate and I sit back watching you. I have to attack you. Sometimes demons can be beaten out of people. Go to psychiatric hospitals. Before Islam and Christianity point to an occurrence on Earth where people fought over God as in a fight broke out over which madness is to be embraced as truth? So you can easily see that Christianity and Islam are the problems not atheist. Stalin was right but he did not articulate himself well. By contrast, socialist countries dont have issues with sensible theologies that are not demonic. Educate yourself.

No one is threatening you with hell.
Hell exists either you wish it away or not. If you refuse to accept that fact, just relax till you submit your life to the one who gave you.

My teachers constantly told me about failure if I didnt study and prepare well for exams. They did not threaten me. Of course, I wish failure does not exist. But my wish does not count neither do yours.

When you hear the word Christ-ian, Its simply means people who strive to be like christ. Christ preached just one message. And that is the message of love.
If churches are beating demons out of people, we can judge them from the life of Christ and His disciples.

Stalin was right? I do not blame you though, its in the heart of every atheist to see the world become globally atheistic. Same with muslims. Its what fuels terrorism.
Christians dont care about all that, and thats exactly why you have a voice today.

If Christian leaders reasoned like the atheist presidents that have ever existed, you'd all be dead.
https://www.nairaland.com/3232176/atheist-presidents-heads-state-quick

Islam and atheism are similar in their delusional quest to see their worldviews dominate the world.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Need To Fight The Believers. by winner01(m): 7:48am On Jul 24, 2016

JackBizzle:
In the last 20 years, I have not seen one atheist terrorist group. We have seen muslim and christian ones

Stalin died over 100 years ago. Violence and atheism are not closely related.

Look at the log of wood in your own eyes first

Stalin died over hundred years ago, well, Kim jong un still lives on.
Of course, no worldview has a monopoly of violence.

Please mention the christian groups and give facts and figures to support.

The way you people lump christianity and islam together in terms of violence constantly reminds me that human life is not so important to you.
If it was, you will be more concerned with a worldview that consistently breeds terrorism.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Need To Fight The Believers. by winner01(m): 7:37am On Jul 24, 2016*

davien:
If i may ask, what was stalins goal in his regime?

Its not so clear. But one thing is certain. He hated God.

Its not only stalin, but almost every atheist president that has ever existed.

https://www.nairaland.com/3232176/atheist-presidents-heads-state-quick

If you observe the picture below, you will find out that atheism in atheistic regimes is not so different from atheism today.

Christianity Etc › Re: How Do Atheists Explain Away Paranormal Events by winner01(m): 12:17am On Jul 24, 2016

shadeyinka:
This long grammar and Turenchi simply means that no amount of Evidence can convince an Atheist. His conclusion "there CANNOT BE THE SPIRITUAL RHELM" is the only evidence that will satisfy him.

What a way to kill TRUTH!

Exactly!!

No amount of evidence!

Christianity Etc › Re: How Do Atheists Explain Away Paranormal Events by winner01(m): 12:15am On Jul 24, 2016

naijadeyhia:
Yep even if it means declaring that another big bang just occurred 5 minutes ago

Lol... those guys could be funny. grin

Christianity Etc › Re: How Do Atheists Explain Away Paranormal Events by winner01(m): 11:38pm On Jul 23, 2016

Crazyfinedude:
Bro . I'm still waiting for SonOfLucifer to disprove that miracle I shared with him . I simply want to see how he is going to explain away the miracle .

Lol

Brace yourself Bro. An atheist will find a way to explain the supernatural, even if he has to be dishonest. ....

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why You Need To Fight The Believers. by winner01(m): 11:36pm On Jul 23, 2016

KingEbukaNaija:
I've been saying it bro winner01 . Atheists have the disposition to hate , terrorise and be malevolent towards the religious . They are very dangerous people and if they have the discretion to annihilate the religious , they would do so without questioning . Only shallow people think Christianity can do any harm .

Atheist leaders had this same vacuous sense of reasoning that's why over 250 million people were killed by them . JackBizzle please caution your brother in arms before he goes into the street targeting the religious to maraud .

Just imagine that guy becoming the president of Nigeria. grin

Another stalin in the making.

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Christianity Etc › Re: How Do Atheists Explain Away Paranormal Events by winner01(m): 10:29pm On Jul 23, 2016

The late Australian atheist philosopher John Smart reveals the lengths that he would go to in order to explain away a miracle if he witnessed one:

“someone who has naturalistic preconceptions will always in fact find some naturalistic explanation more plausible than a supernatural one… Suppose that I woke up in the night and saw the stars arranged in shapes that spelt out the Apostle’s Creed. I would know that astronomically it is impossible that stars should have changed their positions. I don’t know what I would think. Perhaps I would think that I was dreaming or that I had gone mad. What if everyone else seemed to me to be telling me that the same thing had happened? Then I might not only think that I had gone mad – I would probably go mad”

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Exactly Has Religion Done For Humanity by winner01(m): 10:23pm On Jul 23, 2016

Lol. When I opened the thread https://www.nairaland.com/3232251/what-exactly-atheism-done-humanity

I focused more on what religion has done for humanity, I wish you could do the same.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by winner01(m): 10:15pm On Jul 23, 2016

hahn:
Long time

Yeah mehn. Long time. I was banned for nothing. or maybe for obvious reasons.

And I wish your memes were brain tasking and not so cheap.

1. God created hell for the devil and his demons, not for man. You choose hell by rejecting God. It just the same way you choose failure by rejecting to prepare for exams. No one forces failure on another. It is the consequence of an action

2. Jesus actually died for our sins. And it will do you a lot of good to embrace Him while His arms are yet wide open.

3. This is a bit funny cos the lips that pray are also the hands that help and are still helping, and I can give innumerable proof of these hands.

4. Well, God created the devil. How and why the seed of evil germinated in lucifer, we may never fully understand. And so technically we can say God created evil. It is still not enough reason for you to wish God did not exist.

Your memes are weak and getting stale.
God help you.

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Christianity Etc › Re: 6 Signs That You Are Being Attacked Spiritually by winner01(op): 10:03pm On Jul 23, 2016

Whynotthetruth:
Good pm Sir...Plzz can we have a chat through PMS

Yes bro. You can e-mail me.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Absurdity Of Atheism - Article by winner01(m): 9:56pm On Jul 23, 2016

Weah96:
The question you mean to ask is, [size=15pt]why not murder your mother or a small child since there is no reward for sparing their lives when you die?[/size]

Or why not embezzle money or tell lies if no one is going to punish you after death?
Many Christians do exactly those things. So ask yourself, would you enter a police precinct with baggies of cocaine to advertise your cocaine market? When a pastor tells a lie, he automatically shows me that he's an ATHEIST.

Whenever you commit any of your numerous daily sins, it's like you're flirting with a life long prison sentence in the silliest way ever. It's like you're handing business cards for your cocaine dealing business to the cops hoping that they don't beat your brains out.

Why does it sound like you don't know what the atheist argument actually is?

The claims made and implied in the bible are INDEPENDENT of these your questions.

Someone claimed to have communicated with a non human. The non human told the person that it was God the creator and gave them a guide book containing instructions for life. The book ended up in your hands.

Atheists are calling the book writing prophet a liar. In your case, we're saying that anyone who endorsed the compilation of that book was telling LIES. Prove that there is a non human who talks. Then we can decide whether the thing created the universe.

If you were not in such a hurry to reply, i believe you would have come up with something much better than this.

Christianity Etc › A Reply To Vick$rill's Thread: A Big Thank You To Kingebukanaija, Winer01 And... by winner01(op): 9:37pm On Jul 23, 2016*

In response to your thread.

Vick4rill:
believe me i almost turn to atheist the first time i started visiting this section. if not for this guys. kingebukanaija, winer01, naijadeyhia, kingebukablog, there is another one tempem or sumtin like that. i want to say a BIG thank u and may God bless u guys for every effort u are putting to draw back souls to christ on this forum. and to all the highly knowledgeble christains that are counterfiting the negativism of Atheist i say my the good lord reward u aboundantly. to all the baby christains like me here, who visit this section.when u visit thread of: Hardmirrow,cloudgoddess,johnydon and even seun. also try and visit the thread of people i mention above and see for your self who is really confused...

I'm happy for you and other christian's silently observing this section. My candid advise to you and others is to engage in more research about christianity as a worldview, and also the infallibility of the Word of God (the Bible). You have several resources, e-books on the internet and most importantly, you have the Bible. Believe me, you WILL NOT find the answers you seek in this section.

What goes on in this section most times is a good example of when well studied atheism meets baby christianity, or more recently, when desperately empty atheism meets weak christianity.
I understand that most christians have not widely read their Bibles and do not know deeply the power of christianity and may feel frustrated about their unanswered questions. You do not need to feel bad, you can do your little research about the God you serve. You will find out why he fills the hearts of atheists so much that they can't stop talking about Him.

Most christians on this section spend far too much time defending the gospel rather than poking the obvious holes in atheism. I started off that way too and its not bad. But I noticed how much of a waste of time it is, especially on a section specially designed to subtly propagate atheism and to target weak christians.
Most's atheists here are not honest and open minded, their atheism stems from a deep-seated hatred towards God - triggered by negative emotional and psychological occurrences in their lives. For this reason, they will not entertain your opinion or explanations, and they will stop at nothing to make sure they can get as many people to hate God with them.

That is why myself, as well as KingEbukaNaija and other brave christians here, have made efforts in our spare time to expose atheism for the hopeless, bleak and worthless ideology which it really is.

I salute the efforts of Richirich713, scholar8200 , malvisguy212 , Muafrika2, Dejideji1 , truthman2012, Image123 , InesQor, Joshthefirst MrPresident1, gatiano sukkot, OLAADEGBU , vooks, UyiIredia , Jeromejnr, thoniameek, anas09, Tufanja, elantraceey, ceeted, Chidexter, lezz, analice107, bxcode, Topeakintola, Tellemall, Ishilove, Drefan2, Strawman, dazzle101, Dejideji1, Farmerforlife, 4evergod2, udysweet, Edelweiss44, naijadeyhia and others.
Your efforts may be of help to some persons out there silently observing what goes on in this section, keep up the good work.

May God continually bless you all.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Where Does Morals Come From?(test Yourselves) by winner01(m): 8:45pm On Jul 23, 2016

I must commend your efforts on trying to explain morality by naturalistic means. You did well.
But there are certain flaws in your submission and I hope you can understand where I'm coming from.

donnffd:
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Right and wrong is a human concept not a universal concept, it is subjective.

You started by saying morality is subjective, and in one breath you are trying to merge subjectivity into objectivity.
Subjectivity entails the personal opinion of each Individual.
So if one decides to kill every persons involved in your question below, it might be his subjective opinion and he is fully entitled to it.

donnffd:
We know we are a bundle of chemicals that experience certain feelings; happiness, laughter, sadness, anger e.t.c

Mere chemicals, no matter how bundled, do not express emotions of any sort.
No one speaks of happy blood, sad water, frustrated amino acids etc.
In my opinion, there is something that controls these bundled chemicals (man) that you speak of, there is something that reflects these feelings in us. And this "something" never gets old even when the body does.
This "something" in man remains aware of its environment till it leaves the body and never returns.
Ill like to call this "something" a special sense of self which never grows old even when the body does.

Let me post an excerpt from "32 reasons why I will continue to believe in God";
If life was simply biological chemicals as atheists claim, we should be able to resolve the problem of death with an operation. Yet when doctors pronounce someone dead, they acknowledge that something has left the body and no amount of treatment or equipment can bring them back.

Living tissues are like vehicles and that something is what expresses feelings through living tissues.

donnffd:
due to our big brains, we are aware of other peoples existence and can deduce that they must have this same feelings too.

We are not aware of our environment because of our big brains. Dolphin's have the same brain size and they cant perform half as intelligently as man.

The brains of sperm whales and elephants are far larger than that of man and they many not make better deductions.

Our self awareness is not due to our big brains. There is something else responsible.

donnffd:
So its only logical that what makes us happy would also make another happy, and what makes us sad would make another sad.

You have diverted from subjectivity to objectivity here.

Some people derive maximum satisfactions from things such as rape, bestiality, paedophilia, necrophilia and it makes them very happy. Yet, if good and bad is based on our individual subjective opinions, then what makes one happy may not necessarily make another happy.

Looting public funds, for example, may not make me happy. But it obviously makes Nigerian politicians happy. And if morality is based on personal opinion (subjective), then I cant condemn them. I can only stick to my opinions.

donnffd:
That brings me to my main point, where does morals come from? Our Imagination, yes it would surprise you, but its true, we imagine ourselves in a situation, and find out if we would like the outcome or not,if we dont, then others won't, and we conclude its wrong and vice versa.

Our imaginations are subjective.
I may like outcome A, you may prefer outcome B.

donnffd:
since we have similar makeup of emotions, we deduce that what would be good for us should be right and what's bad should be wrong.

Here, you have dived deep into objectivity.
But still, what is good for people may not always be right.
As a matter of fact, in our world today. What people feel is good for them is not right 80% of the time.

Some people feel happy using hard drugs, yet many society condemns it.

donnffd:
A) a train lost its brakes and is about to collide with 5 people stuck on the end of the rail. John who is the rail attendant as the ability to divert the direction of the train to the left but by doing so,the train would hit a passerby!
Q Would it be moral for john to divert the train and kill one unlucky person or do nothing and kill five people?
B) Imagine the same scenario as (A) but this time John is on a bridge where a fat man is sitting, if John pushes the fat man down to the rail, the train would stop but kill the fat man!
Q. Would it be moral for john to push the fat man and stop the train or do nothing and kill five people?

Good questions but flawed.

You have presupposed that John should think like you, and that your thinking should be right.

Actually, John may do anything based on his personal opinions and we may still not be able to Judge him using our own personal opinions.

People should understand that morality is innate, not subjective. Everyone has an inbuilt moral code and I will like to prove it with these two analogies I once read in a book. I want people to follow me on each.

The Little Old Lady Francis

Schaeffer used to tell the story of a little old lady crossing the street.

You’re walking down the street and see a little old lady trying to cross a busy intersection. If truth is relative, then you have 3 equally valid options.

1. You can try not to make eye contact and hope she doesn’t ask you for help.

2. You can stop and help her cross the street

3. You can push her in front of a car.

There is absolutely no reason to choose any one of these options over the other if morality is relative. But the fact that 33% of the time people don’t push Ethel in front of a car seems to indicate that they think that pushing little old ladies in front of cars is wrong.

And the fact that almost everyone in every culture at every time considers murder to be bad would seem to demonstrate that human beings were created with a universal moral law that tells us that some things are right and others are wrong.

The 5-Year Old
Think about that nagging question that 5-year-olds ask. They ask it constantly, and drive their parents crazy when they ask it.

“Why?” they ask.
“Timmy, don’t play with matches.”
“Why?”
”Because I said so.”
“Why?”
“Because you could start a fire, and we don’t want that.”
“Why?”
“Because it could burn down our house, and we don’t want that.”
“Why?”
“Because we’d have to live outside, which wouldn’t be good.”
“Why?”
“Because we might get sick, which isn’t good.”
“Why?”
“Because sickness can kill you, and you don’t want to kill anybody.”
“Why?”
“Because it’s bad to kill people.
“Why?”
“Because…. Because God said so.”

Ultimately every question goes back to a grounding in God. Why is it wrong? Why right? Why prefer one course of action over another?

If we keep a mind as open as that of the 5-year old, we ultimately have to start with God? or everything is absurd. Either God is and has spoken, or nothing really matters

Its cool to find open-minded atheists and ill like to post some of their eye-opening quotes;

The atheist activist and president of American Atheists David Silverman says:
“There is no objective moral standard. We are responsible for our own actions….” “The hard answer is that moral decisions is a matter of opinion”.

Atheist nihilist philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche would also claimed “When one gives up Christian belief one thereby deprives oneself of the right to Christian morality. For the latter is not self-evident… Christianity is a system”. Nietzsche went on to see that if God does not exist then “everything is permitted”.

Atheist philosopher Julian Baggini captures this best: “If there is no single moral authority (i.e. if there is no God, then) we have to in some sense ‘create’ values for ourselves… that means that moral claims are not true or false in the same way as factual claims are… moral claims are judgments that it is always possible for someone to disagree with… without saying something that is factually false… you may disagree with me but you cannot say I have made a factual error”.

Philosopher Michael Ruse notes by claiming that our “sense” of morality is a byproduct of socio-biological evolution:
“In an important sense, ethics as we understand it is an illusion fobbed off on us by our genes to get us to co-operate… Ethical codes work because they drive us to go against our selfish day to day impulses in favour of long-term group survival and harmony… Furthermore, the way our biology forces our ends is by making us think that there is an objective, higher code to which we are all subject… ethics is a shared illusion of the human race”.

These are honest quotes from some people who were open-minded to an extent.

Moral values and duties can only be grounded in God and If these young atheists on Nairaland will be open-minded and honest, then they will agree with atheist philosopher Richard Taylor who said:

“to say that something is wrong because… it is forbidden by God, is…. perfectly understandable to anyone who believes in a law-giving God. But to say that something is wrong… even though no God exists to forbid it, is not understandable… The concept of moral obligation is unintelligible apart from the idea of God. The words remain but their meaning is gone”.

Ill like to conclude with this assertion of an Atheist writer for American Thinker John Steinrucken, who believes that atheists should do some self-reflection: “Those who doubt the effect of religion on morality should seriously ask the question: Just what are the immutable moral laws of secularism? Be prepared to answer, if you are honest, that such laws simply do not exist!”.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Theists And Atheists: Will We Ever Stop Arguing? by winner01(m): 5:13pm On Jul 23, 2016

Lucario007:
If some wish to believe there is a God and a peaceful afterlife, then let them. If they wish to disclaim that belief, then theists simply let them be, after all you know the wiser, and at the end you shall all see who's right.

Some people do not want to wait for the end. They want to take many people down with them. I do care however about baby christians and naive people who could be poisoned by extraordinarily desperate individuals.

Look around you, who mocks and insult peoples of faith because of their unsure stand.

On a normal day, I have no buisness being here, but this is a trap which naive people could fall into. I want to sensitize them.

Thats why I am here.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor FLOGS Congregation Member During Service To Demonstrate Bible Verse(pics) by winner01(m): 5:03pm On Jul 23, 2016

Sometimes I wonder whether these people know God at all.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Presidents And Heads Of State; A Quick Re-examination by winner01(op): 4:33pm On Jul 18, 2016

Muafrika2:
Otemanuduno come see your world without the church.

More like the world with otem.

hahahaha!!! cheesy

Christianity Etc › Re: Atheist Till Death; Atheist Joseph Stalin's Last Act Against God by winner01(op): 4:31pm On Jul 18, 2016

dalaman:
I have already answered.

Where?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would God Create Disease-Causing Bacteria? by winner01(m): 3:41pm On Jul 18, 2016

nduchucks:
If the OP does not believe in the existence of the said God, then the question posed is senseless.

Dayumm!!!!!

Who dwells on what they dont believe in rather than what they do believe in.

Atheism is empty and baseless.

It feeds off Religion, science, irreligion, secularism, agnosticism and any other thing to remain relevant.

Cloudgoddess, could you just talk about atheism for once and stop bitching about what you were/used to be or believe.

Your evangelism is stale aiidy. wink

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Exactly Has Atheism Done For Humanity? by winner01(op): 3:30pm On Jul 18, 2016

lordnicklaus:
Lol!!! The bros don run insult me now. I was refering to your other posts about our "useless god"

Dude is pained!! grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: What Exactly Has Atheism Done For Humanity? by winner01(op): 3:29pm On Jul 18, 2016

OgundeleT:
the bolded say much about your ignorance on what atheism actually means, since your mind has been configured to believe fairies I don't see how one can help you not to wallow in your self delusion

But ive been showing the foolishness of atheism.

All atheists have been doing is mummur gibberish.
Seems to me like the best thing to do when delusion becomes obvious.

Christianity Etc › Re: What Exactly Has Atheism Done For Humanity? by winner01(op): 3:25pm On Jul 18, 2016

KingEbukaNaija:
Oh look , someone has admitted he was ignorant about the subject .

OgundeleT is just a pile of pain and ignorance.

He probably just looked up the word.

He never knew they had mega churches and organizations. Sounds to me like what religion would do.

He needs education, i'm not gonna do that for him.

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Christianity Etc › Re: If There Was No Heaven And No Hell, There Would Be No Christians by winner01(m): 3:12pm On Jul 18, 2016

ValentineMary:
Did I ever mention that atheism should be spread? I advocate for freethinking. Stalin was wrong that's obvious and I can't support what he did.

I'm at loss on what you people mean by freethinking undecided

What exactly is freethinking? Atheism? undecided

I do not think the atheists who found their way to power wanted people to think freely, they actually imposed their thoughts on people - which is exactly what you and other atheists do here daily.

ValentineMary:

But u said the crusade and inquisition are none existing, I find that statement disturbing because everyone knew they actually happened and we know what caused it. The belief in Jesus.

When I said none-existent, I meant the faults of christianity.

Jesus preached only one message and gave only one commandment.

“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” - John 13:34-35

Whatever anyone does in the name of Jesus, we can judge from this commandment.

ValentineMary:

Or did Jesus not say "Do u think I came to bring peace, no I came to bring disaster. Mother against daughter, father against son-in-law....."?

Ive explained this severally, and it further confirms that atheists dont need sensible explanations but endless ones.

People can get what Jesus really meant (HERE).

We know Jesus never advocated or engage in violence.

So why is the message of love so much of a problem.

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Christianity Etc › Re: If There Was No Heaven And No Hell, There Would Be No Christians by winner01(m): 2:57pm On Jul 18, 2016

hopefulLandlord:
Right back at you bro, you can't go a day without bashing atheists/atheism; does that mean you lack joy and peace?

I go days without talking about atheists my friend.
The reason why I expose atheism is because of the stupidity that has been going on in this section for a while, which might infact be the purpose of this section.

You can check my earliest threads. But now I get the point. And so in my leisure, i can come on here and lecture some atheists on history and the foolishness and emptiness of atheism.

If you had peace, you would have no problem letting go of your past.

hopefulLandlord:
My motive for being here is known to only me

More like an obsession with a non-existent God.

hopefulLandlord:
Why do you personalise things? It seems you do those when you have nothing else to say; pls leave trolling out of discussions between me and you in order to keep our discussions sensible.

Atheists do not want sensible arguments, they want continuous endless argiments.

hopefulLandlord:
"Lacking" a belief? I have belief, I just don't have it in any god

I lack a belief in Santa Claus. I do not talk about Him.

hopefulLandlord:
Know the difference

Thats what a lack of belief really means.

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