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Barka00:
I pray the supreme court will rule in favour of Donald Trump.

How many of the cases will Trump take to the Supreme Court? If the elections is to be determined by a few hundred votes in 1 or 2 states, then maybe, but Biden won in over 4 swing states with over 10,000 votes in each state.

The cases would not even make it to the Supreme Court as the Trump legal team is withdrawing it cases at the state level one by one, because their law suits are ridiculous.

Trump does things that supports the freedom of his people but many are blind to see.

O yea, Trump supports freedom of his people . Keyword " his people". If you are not a worshipper or supporter, he attacks you or fires you for freely speaking against him.

Joe Biden/Obama would have made face mask compulsory hence vaccination will also be mandatory. But Trump let people do what they believe in.

Mandatory face mask is a must in order to control a highly infectious disease. That's why Asian countries have been able to relatively contain the coronavirus. Infectious diseases don't care what you believe. If you don't wear face mask and you are infected, you become a danger to society.

He didn't impose lockdown because the crash of the nations economy will do more harm that the virus itself

What economy will there be if everyone is sick? Sick people don't work. And the virus will push the cost of medicare up for both individuals and government.

There is no right reason to hate this man. We all know he is not perfect but he is the only person in the right position to prevent some inhumane things from happening. In Reality they are after us not him, he is just in the way.
Trump 2020.

He hates blacks, immigrants, muslims and African countries. Why shouldn't these groups hate him back?
Which inhumane thing had he ever prevented in his life?
Who are they that is after you and who are you anyway? I don't get your logic, anyone that does not like trump is after you? Is Trump God? Even some people don't like God and people don't hate them.

Abeg make una follow me laugh this morning. I have been laughing alone hysterically watching this song parody since morning while still lying in bed and my wife thinks I have gone insane


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_XXo0Y_t0o

I am beginning to miss president Trump already. Even the press (MSM), twitter and nairaland will greatly miss Trump. No other person had provided as much comedy as Thump had done these last 4 years.

PrideofLincoln1:
Trump's dementia won't let him know that his time is up. He would be humiliated out of office . He's a really sick pig that needs to be shunned by all well meaning Americans.

Gbagbo treatment loading.

basilico:
They recount votes without verification.eg that useless asshat pride of lincoln may have double voted ( I didn't say he double voted, I'm only using his moniker as an example of stupid) and Georgia will not verify his .

You guys are behaving like this is the first election in the history of the US, and the secretaries of states of all 50 states don't know how to conduct an election. This had been the way elections had been conducted for centuries and this was the same way Trump won the presidency 4 years ago. If the machines did not detect that pride of Lincoln double voted during voting and counting, how do you expect it to detect double or triple votes during recount? Furthermore, if pride of Lincoln could double vote, what stops Ono or Basilico from double voting?

The government's own cybersecurity experts has declared 2020 elections as the most secure in US history, so it means the vote fraud and rigging is all in Trump's head.

armyofone:
Interesting!! So of all 350m Americans, he is the only person who can MAGA?? Acting like the country belongs to him alone...Anyone can make America great - every tax paying Americans can make America great.
Move on and get the transition started now, how hard is that I really don't know. Something fishy

The MAGA slogan was the most stupid and senseless slogan in the history of political campaigns.
Ask Trump supporters when America was great.
Then ask when it lost that greatness and why.
Finally ask what Trump did in the last 4 years that made America to become great again.

N2B2:
What are you talking about? Vote counting in 2016 went on for days after the election, yet Clinton conceded on election night.

2020 is way different from 2016. Just incase you don't know, there's a pandemic ravaging the world, so more people in the US voted by mail this year than ever before. In fact, on the eve of election, 100 million Americans had already voted by mail.

The in-person election day votes were counted first, followed by the mail-in ballot votes. Trump and the GOP slammed mail-in voting for months, so his supporters overwhelmingly voted in-person. Democrats, on the other hand, overwhelmingly voted by mail.

If you want to blame someone for the mail-in ballots arriving late, days after election day, blame Trump USPS appointee Louis Dejoy.

It is a fact that all the mail-in ballots were not delivered, and a good number of them will never see the light of day, thanks to Trump's attempt to sabotage the post office. If not, Biden's lead will be even bigger!

Georgia is already recounting, and Trump is still losing there.

He is already complaining about the recount, because he knows he is losing. As of said, the recount is likely to add more votes to Biden than to Trump.

basilico:
The media is working in sync.They have a clearing house which advices on which hoax or lie to propagate before they move on to the next.
Kamala Harris should resign if she is darn sure their ticket won convincingly. She is just in there for the money.

You still refuse to answer, did Mike Pence resign as governor of Indiana before he was sworn in as Vice President in January 2017?

basilico:
NOT in dispute is Trump 232 and Joe Biden 227.
The figures you quote are just MSM figures.

From which source are you then quoting?

ono:
basilico my dear friend,
What I do daily nowadays is to first "gauge" the direction of the MSM Fake News. So I go to their websites and take a peek at the poison they dish out daily to unsuspecting, lazy readers. A kind of "follow the money" approach to catch the bank thief. Works like a charm all the time.

I did same today. From all indications, the Biden camp is in panic mode. So, they're now thumping down stories about the different court cases filed so far and how many of them have all been "thrown out" - backed with half truths, half lies, screaming headlines, inconsistent story lines, ephemeral lines set to deceive people like Ibime and wirinet (come to think of it, is this the wirinet I used to engage in reasonable arguments back in the days or an impostor?) and other deceived and shallow thinking people.

There's clear trend with Trump. I know he jokes about stuff and other. But when he's dead sure of what he's talking about, believe him. This is the difference between him and career politicians like Joe Biden and Obama.

You can conjure all kinds of conspiracy theories, and whine and wail till eternity, it cannot change the fact that Joe Biden will be sworn in president come January 20th.
I sense Trump is planing to flee before his immunity elapse. He is so scared of going to jail and declaring bankruptcy (the 12th time), that he is twitting and talking incoherently.

basilico:
These elections are not going the way Dems wanted.
Kamala Harris should resign her senate seat if she is confident Biden won the elections.

How else will the elections go the Dems way when Joe Biden has 207 electoral votes and a margin of over 5 Millon popular votes?

Kamala Harris would resign her senate seat the same way governor Mike Pence resigned his governorship seat in 2016 before he was sworn in in January 20th.

Collinsanele:
What if Bidden is found guilty of electoral fraud?
Mark my words, Trump would still win.

Who is Bidden, and how can he be found guilty of electoral fraud? You mean he singlehandedly wrote fake results and gave it to the electoral officers and secretaries of states he won to publish? Mind you elections in the US are conducted by each state by the secretaries of state according to laws passed by the state assemblies.

Trump loves the poorly educated

stanliwise:
Being in a particular location is a criminal offense too. If you say it is not true then try crossing the river connecting Africa and Europe if they won’t shoot on cite.

Crossing international borders illegally is a crime in international and national law.

Are you saying that the Nigerian laws recognise particular locations that Nigerians are not allowed to enter?

ArcSEMPECJ:
Noce one Police but make sure thorough investigation is done and possible innocent ones released on bail without any bribe but a token for their transport fare back home then the guilty ones taken to court for their rights not to be impeded........


With that Sanity will overcome Naija.....


Still check my signature for your contemporary home designs and constructions with a good landscape touches

That's not how policing is done in sane societies. What are you going to charge people you pick up randomly from the streets for, that will require bail? The crime of Jay walking is not in our statutes and the constitution allows free movement.

Real Policing is done with undercover agents who monitors hotspots and identifies criminals and their crimes, with evidence that can stand up in court.

davillian:
Who no get I'd card to go prison

Wrong Nigerian mentality. Not possessing an ID card is not a crime under Nigerian law.

NaijaOlosho:


Out of that 720

About 712 are innocent citizens

What Crime will the remains 8 be charged to court for?

A whole 720 people! What is their offense.

Black spot is not in our laws, not to talk of being found in one. The constitution guarantees (supposedly) freedom of movement. You can only arrest a person for commiting a crime and not being found at a particular location.

ono:
When Kevin Clinesmith falsified the email from the CIA to the FBI to implicate an innocent man, never in his wildest imaginations did he think he’ll be caught.

Eagle-eyed detectives caught him. He’s cooling his heels somewhere now.

Liberals are very shortsighted people. Their brains are mostly fried by the several years of being fed fake news on end - every single day of their miserable lives. How do you expect such people to think straight? You can’t give what you don’t have. It’s not possible.

Trump cult members are zombies. They believe whatever Trump tells them.

Here are Trump's Logic
The election's rigged (unless I win)
The news is fake (unless it's flattering)
Everything's a hoax (unless I tweet it)
Nepotism's bad (except my family)
My businesses were great (except my bankruptcies)
My staff's the best (until I fire them)

ono:
Hillary Clinton?? Of all the people in this wide world, a prophetess? I comment my reserve.

Did you watch the video? Tell me what Hillary said about Trump conceding that didn't come to past?

Hillary Clinton was a prophet, she predicted exactly what Trump would do when he looses an election 4 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP0G4vJ5OMw

ono:
Just so we are all clear as per status of Presidential election in the US. The below is actual information.

Every other information is fake news.

Media - No evidence of fraud.
Politicians - No evidence of fraud.
Legal experts - No evidence of fraud.
Election officials - No evidence of fraud.
Cybersecurity officials - No evidence of fraud.
Dept of Homeland Security - No evidence.
Ono and Basilico on Nairaland - The election was a fraud and the truth will come out.

ono:
English comprehension is a challenge.


How does "Joe won because the election was rigged. We will win" translates to Trump accepting defeat?

OK, let me help you with English Comprehension, as you are obviously the one challenged.

Joe won - means he accepts the fact that Joe won.
Because - means the reason Joe won.

The reason Joe won was because the election was rigged.

Now, the only way to change the winner of the election is through the courts.
The fact as of today is that Joe is president elect. If the matter goes to court and Trump is able to prove that he was the winner instead of Joe, then legally he becomes the president elect.

This happens in Nigeria all the time and there had never been confusion as to who is governor or governor elect until the courts give a pronouncement.

plaetton:
My old friend,
How have you been ?
It's nice to discuss with you again after a long while.

Nice talking to you too. Hope you are doing fine. It's not been easy, but as I always say "when the going gets tough, the tough gets going"

I do get your points, and we agree on everything here, except one , the most important one.

That's what makes the world interesting, different people's with different points of views and experiences. We are all able to learn from each other.

Who determines direction ? The head or the tail ?

Same dilemma as the chicken and egg question.

Just look back history . It has always taken the courage of extraordinary individuals or collection of individuals to stand up, organize a scattered population, establish the standard norms and rules , and then move the society in one direction or another.

Agree, but the extraordinary individuals or collection of individuals must have the people behind them. If the people don't support them, they would simply be crushed by the powers that be.
The ken Saro-Wiwas and the Gani Fawehinmis would not survive the Nigerian society because they would not have the masses behind them.

I do agree that in the present Nigeria society, one has to take a lantern and search from house to house, looking for just a few honest people in all of Nigeria.

Agree. But why? Because our Family, cultural, societal and even religious values have broken down.

We all know that the human mind is very malleable, and that humans, by nature, are always hungry for someone to mold their minds for them , someone to protect or lead them in one direction or another. The proliferation of churches in every street corner in Nigeria is clear testament to that hunger. It is a very loud cry for leadership, sense of belonging and direction.
Look at the power that pastors , priests and Imams have over their flock.
A morally lofty pastor, priest or Imam will infect his flock with his moral loftiness. And conversely, the greedy and wicked ones will likewise infect their flock with their character deficits .
This is why leadership is a sacred
calling.

Still boils down to message people want to hear. Ever wonder why the churches that attracts millions of people are the ones that promote instant wealth, instant miracles, unmerited riches, etc. If a morally lofty pastor start preaching moral loftiness, hardwork, honesty and learning to live a contented life, his church will empty out within a month.

There are too many current and past examples to prove that leadership matters.

There are extremely very few of such leadership examples in Nigeria.

America today is a good example.
America produces the best in every area of human endeavor.

Not exactly correct. America steals the best in every area of human endeavor from all other nations of the world.

Now, can you say that the current American leadership under Donald Trump is reflective of the American society?
The answer is no.
Donald is an extraordinary leader in the worst possible ways, and look at what America has become in just 4years of his leadership. His incompetent response to the covid19 pandemic that has claimed 230,000 American lives is reflective of HIS OWN deficit of leadership qualities, and does not reflect the general character of the American citizenry.

I think that the Trump phenomenon is a reflection of current feeling of the majority white population, who feels they are losing power and influence to minorities and immigrants.

omohayek:
If it were simply a matter of leadership, Donald Trump would be preparing for his second inauguration right now. The reason why he isn't is because 78 million Americans decided that character and competence outweigh brazen appeals to racism and pandering to religious extremists. What the American example actually illustrates is the importance of good CITIZENSHIP by millions of ordinary people, and this civic-mindedness is precisely what is missing from Nigerian public life at all levels. Nigeria can never enjoy good leadership unless the masses of ordinary Nigerians prioritize that over the usual sectarian, "our turn"/"you chop I chop" rent-seeking mentality.

Shout it out loud.

Add to it our greedy, wicked and selfish nature.

orisa37:
The Military, The Police, The DSS, In KADUNA The Kastellas and The various Security Organizations in all the 36 CONSTITUTIONAL STATES of the Country are now harassing disturbing and collecting BRIBES AS STATES IGR everywhere.

False.

The military, the Police, the DSS and security Organizations in all the 36 CONSTITUTIONAL STATES do not collect bribes from anyone. It is Nigerians in these organisations that collect bribes to do their constitutional duty. The monies collected as bribes do not reflect in the accounts of these organisations.

orisa37:
NIGERIANS DELIBERATELY VOTED AN UNPATRIOTIC EX MILITARY.

It's the unpatriotic military leader that decreed or forced Nigerians to start collecting bribes to perform basic civic and social services, to import and manufacture fake drugs and products that is killing people, to scam other Nigerians of their hard earned money, to defraud your place of employment.

stonemasonn:
Poor Justice system in the country is the reason.

How can you have good justice system when judges collect bribes to adjudicate a case and police collect bribes to investigate a case?

Herkim:
Good and true talk my brother ,

Dishonesty is one of our major problems in this country. We can't trust our selves with money.
Dishonesty leads to corruption of the mind. If you like be collecting 1m per months as salary in Nigeria, dishonest people would never be contended they would still want the business to collapse due to their greed by being smart .

By and large Nigeria govt have their flaws by not providing enabling environment for businesses to be sustainable. Govt needs to look at this area critically in order for us to move forward.

Thank you

We all agree that Nigerian governments (emphasis governments) have their flaws, but no enabling environment the government can provide that Nigerians would not cheat.

Let me give you one example.
During the Uduaghan administration, he introduced an empowerment scheme whereby he attempted to provide employment for warri youths. The scheme was to provide N500,000 loan to about 1000 youths for fish farming business. He inaugurated a committee of I think 10 members to manage the programme. My cousin was a member of the committee. You know what they did? The committee called their people and distributed the forms to them. They provided fake names, addresses and details. In short they distributed the whole money without 1 fish farm being built. Uduaghan was so frustrated he cancelled the scheme. And someone would blame government for not providing the enabling environment. Most governors have complained that youths are not ready to work and most empowerment schemes they attempt always fails, because the youths just want free money.

iamDrRhymes:
I will continue to also say it that Nigerians are the problem of Nigeria. Any body blaming government officials is only blaming them because he doesn't have the same opportunity to loot.

It's amazing Nigerians are refusing to see this fact. We are living in denial. You cannot survive in the Nigerian system if you are not corrupt and ready to cheat the system. I know a very upright police man, and I can tell you he loves the police job. He went for various training abroad that borders on forensic science. He had never received a bribe. When he was posted to a road block at the Lagos airport, he was unable to bring in "his target". He has since been transferred to do admin work at Abuja. Meanwhile officers that meet "targets" are given rapid promotions and given juicy postings.
Same for political careers. If you don't show stupendous wealth within a year of getting an elective or political appointment, your family will curse you, you pastor will do deliverance on you and your village will ostracise you.

plaetton:
But who is in the government?
Is it not Nigerians.

That's what I have been saying, Nigerians are the government.

I think it is misleading to attempt to excuse the government from all the problems facing Nigeria.
Who make up the government?

No one is excusing the government or rather governments. What I am saying is that the problem with government is the same problem with our families, clans, tribes, states, churches, mosques, associations. There is no difference between our churches whereby the leader appropriate all donations for his personal use and government where the head appropriate our common wealth for his personal use.

Ordinary rice and noodles that various leaders of the society including traditional rulers were asked to distribute to the public was hoarded and you are blaming government. Government is not manned by spirits or aliens but by Nigerians.

Nigerians elected or appointed to the positions of LEADERSHIP.
What is leadership?
Leadership is about being in a position to organize, structure and lead the citizenry.
Without strong, dedicated and honest leadership, then the citizenry are left without a standard value system or direction.

That's what this post is about. It's about the lack of understanding of Nigerians of what leadership and responsibility entails. We cheat in all circumstances, even when we don't need to. I run some businesses and I have lost close to 500,000 this year's alone due to dishonest staff. Ask anyone running a business in Nigeria what his greatest problem is. He will tell you power, government and staff(both in terms of competency and trustworthyness)

Therefore, the Nigerian people described in that article are the Nigerian people who have suffered decades and decades of honest, dynamic and dedicated LEADERSHIP DEFICIT.

LEADERS lead, while the people follow.

So, to be corrected, the DEARTH of honest, dynamic, dedicated and progressive leadership , also known as the GOVERNMENT, is the problem with Nigeria, not the Nigerian people.

There is a school of thought that believes that a people get the leaders they deserve. Don't you see the correlation between honest, dynamic and dedicated LEADERSHIP DEFICIT and honest, dynamic and dedicated FOLLOWERSHIP DEFICIT?

9jamustchange:
Completely untrue! Nigerians do not control the courts, police, armed forces, etc., the government does. It's the government that can ensure that things work properly.

Is that so? You mean it's Ghanians or Malians that control the courts, police, armed forces, etc.

Now answer this question, who is government. It's paradoxical to think that government is separate and isolated from the people.

Bluebyrd:
This Maths is very wrong, liberals are not known to be the sharpest tools in the box anyway. There's no way Biden will get to 270 without Georgia or PA. If Trump wins both, Trump will be on 274. If Trump wins only Michigan and Georgia, He will be on 270 and Biden will be on 268 even if Biden wins PA. That dumb liberal seems to not know that Arizona has only 5 electoral college votes.

And Trump is wasting his millions of dollars on big law firms like Snell & Wilmer and Porter Wright Morris & Arthur, when he could simply spend thousands of naira hiring Bluebyrd and he would have avoided the over 12 embarrassing court losses. With his mathematical genius, he would have proved to the judges that there is no way Biden can get 270 electoral votes and Trump would have been declared president.

What are you waiting for, quickly contact the Trump campaign to offer your services.

feedthenation:
---Wisconsin: 51 of 72 counties have completed their canvasses, resulting in Biden gaining 10 votes and Trump losing 271 votes ---illegal votes---

I honestly believe it's Trump and the Republicans that rigged the elections. There is no way Trump can gather 72 million votes, given the general hatred of Trump and his abysmal poll and approval ratings before the elections. In states like Kentucky, the votes for Mitch McConnell was far more than the number of registered Republicans. That has to be looked into.

I am certain that in every recount, Biden would gain more votes.