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Kissmyassbiach:
Tbh, nobody gives a Bleep about your personal life

I’ didn’t tell you I’m a Christian, neither did I tell you I’m straight or interested in marrying you niggas. Your sentiments are blocking you from even thinking. Christianity has always been a white man’s religion. What they practice, y’all practice. If you’re claiming “African tradition” then drop the religion as a whole.

Just take the advice and go.
Useless girl

triplechoice:
That's the problem actually. But I think the solution is education of the masses which is not happening in this part of the world.

If most people in Nigeria have access to good quality education and have their critical faculty skills fully developed, then the problem would be greatly reduced here.

It is not easy to completely indoctrinate anyone who has developed to that extent.

I totally agree with you but it’s also okay to let them know that their religious opinions cannot affect your personal life or that of the state affairs, so they will seek caution whenever they try to portray their fanaticism.

You don’t give fanatics the chance to decide your life with their opinions, they always don’t understand the stop sign. they will take you back to Bronze Age.

triplechoice:
You're correct It contains fiction but to what end?

It won’t be a problem if those who believe these fictions are not doing everything to make their fictions the norm.

Look at what’s happening in the United States today, Christians want biblical creationism and intelligent design to be taught science in science class. That’s a Big problem

Christians are spreading conspiracy theories about vaccines etc They get these ideas from the fictional books. This is why it’s important to contain them.
It brews fundamentalism and extremism, we shouldn’t sit back and allow that happen.

Kissmyassbiach:
Says another broke fool

Are you a mad woman?

You think doing wedding is all about showing off money? This is the type of useless girl my mama told me to avoid.

I will do white wedding if my wife wants it but it’s not a must and it doesn’t mean I am poor. You are useless girl and you will obviously not make a good wife with the way you comment.
No man should keep your likes as a wife.

Kissmyassbiach:
Is it common sense y’all lack? If you call yourself a Christian, you have to do white weddings. What does that have to do with traditions?

If you’re going to reject some parts of the religion, might as well reject the whole and be free.

Its you that lacks the common sense.

Seems like a lot of ladies nowadays are just plain stupid. By every standard, traditional wedding is the primary and most acceptable, followed by court.

I tire for Nigerian ladies aswear

triplechoice:
If you were never a Christian and you suddenly come across the Bible in a place where nothing is know about Christianity, how would have know that it is meant for Christians to arrive at your op?

I think you're going to regard it as beautiful work of literature and not called it nonsense and even try to find some interpretation for the myths


This is my point which you still don't get. You're still viewing the bible as a former believer.

Non believers who read the Bible consider it as a literary masterpiece due to the beautiful poetic expression some of the passage contains. Some even find some element of truth or wisdom in it without regarding it as inspired by God.

That is it. Your bias is too strong

There is a good chance that you might regard it as a comic if you are very rooted in science.

How do you think an astrophysicist/biologist will regard the genesis creation story if he reads the Bible for the first time? Comic relief.

He might like the dictions must the story will be fictional to him. Education Plays a big role

sonmvayina:
Lol..the letter killeth.

It is just a tale, the writter never said he witnessed anything or know somebody who did..

The Torah was written by Ezra after the babylonian exile. That is when Judaism was created as the national religion of the jews..

Learn the hidden message in it..

So everything in the Bible are just fairytales?

LordReed:
My understanding of the OP is that it's tongue in cheek humour, not meant to be taken as serious claim.

Leave him to keep bleating.
He wants to take through this usual circular arguments.

hupernikao:
I won't respond to you again. You only speak of what you don't know.

You claimed to have read the Bible, I challenged you to start a discussion on that, you want me to be the one to do it for you.

This is second time I have told you to go and do your research and study properly before coming to public space and disgrace yourself.

Don't ever think it's everyone that was exposed or not carry around the erroneous doctrine that birth denial, faithlessness and disappointment in you. No, there are people who dedicate all their life's searching daily to know more on what is the truth and why is the truth and can present their conviction even to the best of atheist in this world.


Put that behind your head next time you want to criticize or write a post about the Bible.

Move away. Time waster who doesn’t know anything. I’m not gonna play your silly games of special pleading and shifting goalposts today.

Come back when you are ready to discuss how your god was conceived mysteriously.

hupernikao:
@Lordreed and what's the other one NaijaSatanlst or so...

Is this what atheism has reduced to? To make a claim and not being able to defend it. To speak on what you don't know and then want to turn the argument around?

Look at his OP, he made a claim, I invited him afterwards for discussion on his claim, but he started to tell me to be the one to prove.

Is like he is still a learner or wannabe in atheism. Please help him to know how to put his money where his mouth his.

You won’t get a conversation from me if you don’t discuss the Mary virgin birth.

It’s as simple as that dude. You can cry all you want

hupernikao:
Sound argument?
Isn't that what I asked you for?
Let's start Bro,

Genesis 1:1-4
What do you know about it. Since you have read the Bible.

If you cannot explain what I asked, that will make me Christian ultimately then go play with your fellow idiot, Dtruthspeaker. It’s just long argument you are looking for

Don’t drag me Into long arguments

hupernikao:
Noise maker? By asking you to prove what you said? Isnt that what atheist love to do, to seek proofs?

Don't disappoint me and your thread this afternoon. Commence a Bible study here, let's see you truly read the Bible and not regurgitating false and erroneous information you were taught from it.

The Bible is online if you don't have one. Let's Kickstart.

Seriously dude, today I have no time and space for religious morons like you and Dtruthspeaker.
I know you are triggered but I can troll you tomorrow. Today is for sound arguments. Ok?

hupernikao:
Nah small small. You will soon find that god you seek. Even though you are an atheist online, your heart seeks for a god offline. You will soon find it. We are all here as the future beckon.

But please respond to my post on your other post, I want to learn your Bible interpretation Sir.

Alright

hupernikao:
No I am not wasting time. I am waiting for you to prove what you wrote. You made an accusation. I need evidence of your accusation that you have truly read the Bible. This is what is important to me.

At least if we are to follow someone, we should follow one who know road.

Discuss what you know from the Bible here, you are the one who will do that. I am a student here.

I am not here to argue with noisemakers today.
I will wait for more reasonable people who are ready to bring hard logic.

You can keep bleating all you want

hupernikao:
Me? Explain to a teacher? A master?

You need to read your OP again, it seems you have forgotten what you wrote. You are the one who is to show me what I can't see.

And now I am begging you to do it. Please once again. Let's have this discussion since you know the Bible well. You are already making me feel like you aren't saying the truth about you reading your Bible well and understand it's false.

Please again

Time waster as usual.

vinceyinnovation:
You are being shakened!
Why do you claim to be an agnostic now?
I thought you were a die hard pure breed Atheist...

An agnoist is a person who "DOES NOT KNOW IF THERE IS A GOD"

"Does not know" means he is ignorant, illiterate, uncivilized, local, archaic etc. in spiritual matters or issues of faith or religion.

It means agnostics like you ought to be humble since you have nothing to offer in issues outside of your 5 sense organs, but I know you will not be humble...

Empty (ignorant) vessels makes the most sounds...

I have got another church ignoramus to educate today

MaxInDHouse:
Well the Author warned that the book is not to be read alone by any individual due to the use of different secretaries in penning down the words! Proverbs 2:1-5

yes, a nonexistent author warned that it should be read alongside a nonexistent Holy Spirit.

hupernikao:
Please now.
I want to learn from that your massive knowledge of the scriptures. Don't shy away from this. I know you are sure of your knowledge, I want to help you market it here well by exposing the Bible. Please let's start it.

If not, no one will see you as being truthful or honest. I want everyone to see you as a honest man, a savior and deliverer from the bondage of the Bible. Don't you think it's what you have always desire.

Genesis 1:1-4 should be a good start. What do you think.

Dude, just explain what I asked you to.
If I can be convinced that Mary gave birth to Jesus without a Y-chromosome, I will become a Christian today and I will never talk I’ll about Bible anymore.

I’m not here to argue back and forth with you or prove that I’m knowledgeable. I just need this one thing to convince me about the veracity if Christianity. It’s not an IQ tussle man

hupernikao:
Good, I will like an open explanation from you here. To take a journey of Bible interpretation from its beginning with you here. I agreed the Bible is easy to know and that you have read it well and know it's false.

Can we take this up, to examine the scriptures from its beginning. At least we can start with few text in Genesis here, so that you can let me see what I can't see that you are seeing. Since you have read it well.

I await your agreement.

I don’t want an unending argument. That’s what you are trying to create.
Just tell me the logic behind a woman giving birth to a male offspring without the contribution of a Y-chromosome. Owing to the fact that parthenogenesis has never been observed in any mammalian species and the gene has not been identified.

There’s no point taking me through the whole Bible, we don’t have time for that.

triplechoice:
In other words ,it means your op will not make sense to the people I believe it is meant for

Its not suppose to make sense to them. You don’t get it?

You cannot convince a fanatic from believing bogus stories because he’s aware that if those bogus stories were written outside of the Bible, it won’t make sense it him, he has to believe whatever is in the Bible whether or not it makes sense. That’s why they don’t believe The Flying Spaghetti Monster god thing, because it’s not in the Bible. Disbelieving religious stories is mostly instinctive and influenced by field/type of education one gets.

triplechoice:
I agree with you. But how would it be possible for the indoctrinated person to see it that way?

People don't read the Bible to get converted. They read and believe it after conversion and by that time they can no longer see the lies

An indoctrinated person cannot see it that way because of cognitive dissonance.

He might become logical and reasonable in other areas of life but whenever it comes to his religion, cognitive dissonance with allow reason prevail.

Atheism is not the believe that god doesn’t exist, atheism is the disbelief in a god claim in the absence of testable evidence.

I cannot say that a God does exist or not, but I need evidence to know if it does, which those who make positive claim should provide. In other words, I’m an agnostic atheist.

However, I am very sure that the “Christian and Islam concept” of gods do not exist. The evidence against such descriptions of god are overwhelming. These descriptions can be tested and proven negative by experimentations that will force Christians and Muslims to shift the goalpost which they have been doing since the inception of the religion. The stories religious books have been proven to be bogus time and time again, they tend to always create subtle explanations so the Bible and Quran will remain relevant. Most claims in these books always test negative in the face of experimentation and gathering of data.

A god may exist though I do not believe a god exist, but I know that the Christian and Islam god do not exist. We are sure that the description given by Christians is false.

jamesid29:
The proposition that God(s) do not exist.

Atheism is the disbelief in gods because of the unavailability of evidence. It doesn’t necessarily mean that a god doesn’t exist but, there’s no evidence as we speak to test it.

To add to this, there are numerous evidence against the Christian description of a god, so I can say as an atheist that the Christian concept of a god doesn’t exist (this can be tested) based on numerous available evidence that Christians deny.
However, I cannot say that an entity outside of our universe exist or not (which people call god), I don’t believe those that say it does without testable evidence.

Hope you get what atheism is now?

triplechoice:
Non of the above is completely true.

Anyone who proceeds to read any religious text with the certain believe that it is the true word of God would hardly see any inconsistency. If he finds any, he is sure going to find some way to explain it away. A fully indoctrinated person lacks the capacity to judge a religious text he subscribe to as not true or contains lies. It is not possible. It is what psychological studies has proven. In that state, he can see no error or lies


It is only an outsider to the faith that can easily noticed the inconsistency in it and dwell on it.


To convince anyone to abandon what they do if you consider it nonsense, you must know exactly what they're doing and the exact reason why they're doing it if not nobody would listen to you. You will just be talking to yourself.

Belief is not logic and reason, you can’t be a Christian if you read the Bible with logical and reasoning mind because the Bible in itself contain a lot illogical texts that require you to believe outside the scope of logic and reason. This makes these text unverifiable and hard to accept for any logical person.

A lot of the biblical texts are not consistent with reality

sonmvayina:
I don't believe in Jesus.. he is just an idol like I said. Ask me anything in God's laws...I will set you straight..

My favorite part of the Bible is when after the flood, the ark landed and all the carnivores waited until their prey reproduced before eating them while the prey waited for grasses to grow before they can start reproducing.


Now read this with your common sense.

hupernikao:
Preacher man.

A Bible that you yourself haven't read for once.

You have opened the pages but have not taken time to read. Yet you become an adviser.

Why are you like this. You aren't helping yourself. Trying to live in deceit and self denial isn't a life. You need to forgive your scanners and yourself Bro. It's a time of the unknown.

You don't criticize what you don't know. You can't even. It's obvious in all you write.

There is nothing too difficult to understand in the bible.

What is difficult in understanding words written in English that Jesus was born without the usual gamete fertilization. No Y chromosome, Mary had magical operations performed on her somehow that even you do not understand.
The Bible is the most ridiculous book in history


Lol

sonmvayina:
Reading and understanding are two different things...

Only people with a third eye can understand the messages in it..for the letter killeth

Tell me understanding you got from an unfertilized parthenogenetic birth Jesus.

You don’t need third eyes to make you understand that it’s utter nonsense and illogical. The of a third eyes a very laughable way of telling people not to question it even when logic says it’s nonsense

Buy a Bible, don’t read it and you will be a Catholic.

Buy a Bible, read only what suits you and you will be come an evangelical Christian.

But a Bible, read it fully, analyze it, reason it, you will never become a Christian. You will discover that the book is utter nonsense and highly unreliable.

MaxInDHouse:
These atheists and agnostics with their shallow thinking!
Let me enlighten you!
99.99999% of people having this your line of thought are greedy and selfish people who feels like asking God to do what they want for them but after going through so many religious rites and practices they discovered there is no response to their selfish cravings so they concluded that there's no one out there listening to their prayers therefore God doesn't exist.
That's the secret behind atheism and agnostism, whether you like it or not right thinking persons will forever continue to think about God and how to draw closer to Him!

How did you arrive at this figure of 99.999999%?

You won’t be having this problem if you realize that god doesn’t exist and it’s up to you to tidy your finances.

I have been doing that for years and it’s working

LordReed:
I used to have that impression but when you look at the time difference, gaps between posts and the manner of expression you'll see that it is likely not the same person but they are in close proximity to one another and share similar views probably by osmosis, likely because Dtruthspeaker is the older of the 2 and/or has more influence in the relationship, his views are much more dominant..

well, there’s definitely a link between those two monikers. You may right but I’m still not convinced that it’s not same person

LordReed:
I think they are brothers, relatives or close friends not the same person.

same person.

I’m very sure about it.
Take your time and follow. Especially when he start losing arguments.

The style, everything and they are always almost on the same thread.