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ettybaba: Ojukwu and not buhari.

Punch observers say PDP is leading and APC folks are in shock!

From Punchng.com:

November 16, 5:03 pm
Anambra election: Counting is ongoing

Ozioma Ubabukoh, Awka
Counting is ongoing in most of the polling booths and from our correspondent’s observation, the Peoples Democratic Party is leading.
The PDP and All Progressives Grand Alliance dominate the ballot papers, while supporters of the All Progressives Congress are still in shock.

http://www.punchng.com/news/anambra-2013-2/

If this result pattern remains till the end, I foresee a run off election. None of the candidates of the APC, APGA and PDP has pulled away in a wide margin. It is still pretty close!

The permutation should now switch to bargaining other smaller groups should there be a run off. Ifeanyi Ubah could hold the ace and since he is a GEJ boy, he might sell his support to PDP. We shall wait and see.

phildon: 1. You may say I am childish but the world knows that Buhari did not spare anybody in his fight against corruption even Bakinzuo(former Gov of Kano State) and his kinsman Umaru Dikko.

The world knows he spares his kinsmen all the time. Buhari has always been selective in favour of his fulani kinsmen. He is a grand-defender of the fulani interest and that is what he cares about. Why did Ekwueme, a Vice President in the democratic government he sacked deserved to be remanded in kirikiri while the President and Commander-in-Chief of that regime - Shehu Shagari was given house arrest? If that was in the past, how about his recent comments on national security matters especially on the Boko Haram which he failed to help nip in the bud despite enjoying goodwill and acceptance of the sect but would later defend when the government clamped down on them? How about the Ombastse vs Police issue in Nassarawa that escalated and claimed the lives of many fulani herdsmen for whom Buhari promptly rose in defence calling for heavy punishment for the Ombatses? Never mind he never said anything on the age-long Fulani siege on the Plateau and Southern Kaduna villages! Buhari has never cut that national leadership image despite all the image laundering and propaganda.

When people lose elections in other climes, they stop politicking and join hands with the victor to bring development to the people in various ways. An elder statesman like Buhari would have staked his reputation to address the issue of Boko Haram. Instead, he would make comments on baboon and blood, not minding that similar comments have led to blood letting and massacre of innocent minds. How is that for the intelligence of someone who wants to lead a nation? Someone who cannot be careful in his choice of words and would always be supposedly misquoted and misunderstood on very sensitive issues of religion and national security? What does that tell you about his IQ?

phildon: 3. Buhari may not have the absolute power in democracy but he will NEVER encourage corruption the way PDP is doing. From Ibori, Alams, Tony Anenih, Obj...The list is endless. In your church mind, you know it that Buhari will never allow such calamities.
4. Finally, if you are to choose btw Buhari-led party and GEJ-led party, which one will u go for? With reason pls.

How has Buhari stopped corruption in his APC now? Has he told Tinubu, Achike Udenwa and George Akume to return their loots to Lagos, Imo and Benue States? Has he condemned Speaker of Lagos State House of Assembly - Adeyemi Ikuforiji who has stolen Lagos blind and now standing trial? Has he ever raised alarm on the inflated contracts being awarded by APC Governors? Has he not been gallivanting around with these folks now?

I will prefer Jonathan over Buhari anyday. Jonathan is the present and Buhari belongs to the past and everything that is wrong with Nigeria!!

phildon: Ode, they are not the same. APC has GMB who will stand firm against corruption unlike the way PDP is strongly encouraging corruption as evidenced in Stellah Oduah, Mrs Madueke etc. You and I know it that GMB will not take those nonsense from anybody! That alone is enough difference.

Childish talk! When were you born? Even in GMB's military regime, he was not the "no nonsense" guy. Late Idiagbon was! Buhari was a weakling who could not do anything to offend the northern oligarchy when any of them flouted the rules. Just google the story of 53 suitcases and educate yourself.

Even if you attribute that regime's anti-corruption record to him, Nigeria of today has moved beyond kangaroo courts or military tribunals pronouncing judgements without proper investigations or fair hairing to the accused. You can't fight corruption with fiat these days. You have to prove your case in court.

Lastly, it is an illusion to think one man in the midst of rogues will stop them from their evils. How will Buhari convict Tinubu, Adeyemi ikuforiji, Achike Udenwa, George Akume, Femi Fani-Kayode who enriched themselves with public office. Fighting corruption effectively requires the resolve of each and every Nigerians. Buhari can't do sh*t!!!

What IBB and Abdulsalam?? Up progressives!!!!

.......Awon were!!!!!! God go punish you all

whitecat007: The difference is that those joining Apc will be quarantined thoroughly

Which thorough quarantine? Read the news below....the rogue is on his way to being a "progressive"!

http://sunnewsonline.com/new/cover/osun-2014-oyinlola-meet-tinubu/

Well... to everyone questioning the existence of God, I think you should have your head checked. Why would anyone believe science which says that everything in the world came about by chance/mistake/big bang. Which of the scientists who made the guess witnessed the big bang? How come they are now correct? What caused big bang? How come evolution stopped at man? Where does the wind come from? I don't necessarily think science is wrong in describing to us what happened during creation but I think they just stubbornly fail to acknowledge that the orderliness and complexity of creation is by a grand design of a supernatural force which is God.

I'm not a christian today because I understand every rationale behind what God does. I am a christian and believer in the existence of God because when I look around me to observe his creatures, they amaze me. They are so orderly, perfect and purposeful and I'm convinced that it must have taken a supernatural being whose wisdom transcends ours. The truth is, if you agree that the world and the wisdom of creation are the works of God, then no man should be able to explain God through and through with his own wisdom. I don't think that supernatural being is a linear logical thinker like men that he created. Even science cannot exhaustively explain nature; the creatures of God, let alone come close to disprove God.

The bible says in Romans 11 vs 33: "O for the depth of riches, both of the wisdom and knowledge of God. How unsearchable are His judgments, His ways are past finding out". So if you would only believe God exists when you find somebody to answer all your questions, then goodluck to you.

cKaiser: We shouldnt mention road project Maybe we should mention How PDP Oyinlola took loans to build 6 world class stadium in Osun State

or How PDP Alao-Akala spent all the state money sponsoring NURTW thugs and buying bleaching creams

Or How Daniels plunged Ogun State into debt while doing nothing

Very funny!!! While I cannot hold brief for Oyinlola and Akala, how can you say Gbenga Daniel did nothing? Were you born and alive during the National Sports Festival hosted by that administration in Ogun State? Do you know he constructed three additional stadia that are still functional till today? How about the games village and various infrastructure upgrade for the sports festival?

When it comes to thuggery, Gbenga Daniel is a baby compared to Ibikunle Amosun and Kayode Fayemi.

Check out this fresh news about one of your "progressive" governor:
http://www.punchng.com/news/ogun-sliding-into-despotism/

naija noni: Yaya might deserve to win it,but we shouldnt fuckin care.Its votes that matters and this time Voting is opened to everybody.
.So lets do it for nigeria.Vote now for mikel or moses.Vote as many times as u want.Your votes count.
Nigeria is the most populated country in africa,so if a small percentage of our population vote,i see nothing stopping mikel or moses 4rm winning it.
VOTE NOW !!.
This should make front Page.

Why would Yaya deserve to win it? What did he win or achieve with club and country this past year?

adejoro75: Why do virtually all Yoruba support APC and expect virtually all Igbos not to support APGA?
I am confused

I am Yoruba and I do not support APC. Many of my family members and yoruba friends do not support APC. We do not support PDP either. We gave up on Nigeria when APC emerged and dashed our high hopes for a functionally and ideologically oriented opposition

tayooluwole: we re nt supportin APC cos some of d founders are yorubas bt cos we re enjoyin their administratn...they re realy trying in sspeeding up development in d respective state under their control....u can also support APGA if u know they re performing well...ok

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Mr Man, speak for yourself. I am not enjoying APC and its propaganda. The guy who is governing my state was a PDP convert to APC and his thugs are already running riots preparing him for second term while he continues to plunge the state into huge debt. I am talking of Ogun State by the way. Many naive observers quickly point to road construction as a yardstick that this guy is working. Of course, the easiest way to steal money is to embark on massive road construction because it is alright for an APC government to tar 1 km of road with N8bn. Even when there are few road projects that would win accolades, they have to go into the town centers to create one big project (like dualizing an existing road even when the road is still functional and not seriously congested in peak periods), demolish houses, arrange bogous compensation and doing all that with debt capital.

And for anyone who will want to disagree with my views here, please don't bother mention road projects as a yardstick because even the dumbest Governor in Nigeria knows that it is the most potent tool for embezzlement.

kingoflag: Wow! U never heard the saying 'don't wash ur dirty laundry in public '?

Your kind belongs to Yaba left!

jjcbuthot: He made that statement from the facts available to him and I belief him. It is not impossible that Abacha was using some people to still money but the Abacha I know didn't even travel out of the country throughout his stay in power and everyday we keep hearing Abacha's money here and there - was Abacha the one taking this money out by himself and signing papers with the banks where money was kept? People might be stealling on his behalf anyway.

Buhari gave conditions to Abacha before joining the government as PTF chairman - that Abacha will not intervene with his operations. Abacha honored this - if you tell Buhari that Abacha was a looter, he has every reason to think otherwise.

If Abacha was looting, there was no way Major Almustafa would not have been involved in such stealling directly or indirectly. And no way Almustafa himself wont have stolen. Tell me if any case of stealling has been levelled against Almustafa? Has GEJ not arranged the release of the same Almustafa even for the killing of Kudirat?

Keep deceiving yourself and believing only in what gives you short term joy but destructive to your future.

Flat heads and their wayward reasoning to justify hatred.

I just pity some of the people who paid for you guys to go to school. Abacha never traveled out so he couldn't have stolen money? What a shallow mind you folks are? Wasn't Mohammed Abacha, the de facto "second in command" travelling? How about his wife? How about his whole family? When IBB stole, did he appear in every location where his loots were kept? So some very nice ghosts were stealing and starching loots away not in their own names but in Abacha's?

And who told you Al Mustapha had no loot to his name? How did he fund the building of a mosque in prison? How many errand boy looters of those days have cases been established against? Does that mean they didn't steal?

Well, goodluck to all of you who who have decided to join the camp of vampires and blood sucking monster called Buhari. One thing I know for sure is that as far as Nigeria is concerned, Buhari is history!!!! If you don't like that, just commit suicide quietly.

demmy: You know this but the FIFA people don't?

FIFA folks are no fools, they know. They have just accepted the MRI as a fair apple to apple comparison tool and in my opinion it is only fair for them to accept that as a proxy for age.

toshmann: though i didnt watch the games, i refuse to let you take away the authenticity of their victory . . . the average african is smaller than his european age-mate, those boys must be young bc i refuse to believe that the nigerian authorities will even attempt to present overaged kids in this 2013 with new technology here and there.

meanwhile bone age na bone age. . . . if their bone age na de same, then its fair game, period

No one is taking the shine off these guys. If they can play at the level they did at an average age of 21 yrs in Nigeria (just guessing), then that is a huge progress for Nigerian football. Before now, we have been presenting 30+ years old as 17 years but these present corp of U-17 players are truly young even though we know that they might be a few years (and by few I mean 2 - 4 years) past 17. These guys are the youngest Nigerian U-17 ever!!

kingoflag: Theres no proof that he defended Abacha's corruption. No proof that hes corrupt. No proof that he loves blood or supported Abacha's killing spree.

However, theres proof that hes not rich, flamboyant or corrupt. Theres proof thats lack of funds stopped him from campaigning in Eastern Nigera due to lack of funds.

Furthermore, theres more than solid proof that Dim Chukwuemeka Ojukwu was one of Abacha's most vociferous supporters. Theres also proof thats youre an i*diot as shown above.

Of course, there is no proof that he slept with your mum....stupid a**hole!

Boller: With the guy's name Bisoye, I suspected the guy was born 1976 when his father was head of state. Obasanjo has been igbo in-law, he also married igbo.

You are right! Bisoye was born when OBJ was in power in the late 70s. His mother, now late, was Igbo.

Hey people! Stop killing yourselves over what you don't know. Igbo blood runs in Bisoye's veins. His late mother was Igbo, so Bisoye is half Yoruba, half Igbo.

The guy just toed his father's line to marry from among his mother's kinsmen!!!

jjcbuthot: It is possible and it is in the interest of Nigerians that an incorruptible man like Buhari is voted in as president in 2015 and in other future elections. Otherwise, we will continue to suffering and smilling...

Orikinla: I know that many Nigerian Christians and other misinformed people don't like Gen. Muhammadu Buhari (rtd). And even in the APC, he has enemies who are scared of his incorruptible posture. But Gen. Muhammadu Buhari (rtd) can become the next President of Nigeria if he is smart enough.
It is possible.

Both of you have short memories!

How can a man who said Abacha never stole money qualify as incorruptible? Was he misquoted on that as usual? Who has been footing his electioneering bill since 2003 and he hasn't gone bankrupt? This guy loves blood. He had no problem with Abacha's killing spree, he supported the government wholeheartedly.

To continue to throw up this guy's name is to continue to demonstrate insanity!

publisher: Oh, don't be fo0lish Mr Gbawe,everyone knows that ACN is the majority shareholder in this whole APC arrangement. Your contribution makes no sense to me,you ACN/CPC people have been blinded by ethnic solidarity and hero worship such that your leaders can do no wrong.

Your supreme master Tinubu and his co-pilot Fashola are robbing Lagos state to pieces using elaborate projects to hoodwink you all-but it's OK?

Your type are the ones wailing and lamenting in the market square over one ODUAHGATE scandal but the mother of all scandals ranging from LEKKI TOLL GATE, PARKVIEWGATE,ORIENTAL HOTEL GATE and many more staring you people in the face is being ignored and suppressed by your Punches,Tribunes,Saharas and what have you.

Abeg make una go siddon jare...

You forgot to list Adeyemi IkuforijiGATE!!!

If the West feels so strongly about the rights of LGBTs, they should grant them asylum. Pure and simple, fight nor dey!!!!!

joel lala: How can u say that the average age is btw 19and 20years when fifa MRI scan shows that these boys are under 17yrs..abeg make una just shut up instead of saying things that are false.

You obviously don't know how the MRI scan works! It doesn't measure true age per se. It measures bone development as a proxy for age. And because these guys in Africa don't develop at the same pace as Europeans for dietary reasons, they would probably still pass the MRI equivalent of a European 17 years old at say 19-23 years.

However, this team is the youngest U-17 team I have witnessed Nigeria present at any tournament and I have been watching since Scotland 1989.

[quote author=Chuck D.]Ok Mr Ambassador, let's have some names.[/quote]You need names? Just Look around you dude......See Tinubu, Fashola, OBJ, IBB, Abdulsalam, GEJ, all former Governors, Bank Chiefs, Past and present NNPC bosses, Past and present Police Chiefs, Past and present militants (Asari Dokubo just built a University) etc.

You will find out that statement is even an understatement!!!

Nigeria has always won every U-17 WC hosted in Asia, so this would not be an exception! History must repeat itself.

I'm only worried about the fact that this has not translated to senior team success. Maybe this speaks to the poor management abilities of our football administrators. These boys are obviously young and still have years ahead of them in the game.

I wish them goodluck in the final.

Salym: See this mumu...tell me where you saw 'handpicked candidates' in the story. CPC candidates won the election but were removed and replaced with PDP candidates. What this story is saying is that the seats have been returned to the CPC candidates. Wonder which school you attended.

lol! Another almajiri has broken lose! This is a CPC problem. It has nothing to do with PDP. Abirun....!

Why are people not seeing this mess and Buhari's failure?? He practically handpicked candidates for CPC in Katsina! This same failures now in APC are those clamouring to be entrusted with the future of Nigeria so that they can create more confusion.

If this were to have happened to PDP, some he-goats would have bombarded this thread to rain insults on GEJ and the PDP.

Now its becoming clear day by day that APC is a party of hypocrites and rogues followed only by gullible Nigerians.

saintjoel: I happen to be a licensed custom agent at seme border and I've always bought cars for my customers from cotonou.Many of them have used these cars for years with no issues and they left cotonou with high mileages.

The simple way of calculating mileage when buying a tokunbo car is illustrated below-

Let's assume a car was manufactured in 2002,we assume at the end of the year,the mileage will be 15,000k for car and 20,000 for SUVs.

2002-2013 is 11 years,which means if we multiply 15000 and 11,we have 165,000KM for a light user,while 170-200K will be for heavy users.You can also use the same formula for SUVs.

The reason why you buy 02 cars with mileages like 65K is just becos car dealers know that buyers are so fixated on the mileage issh,once the mileage is low,they hardly give thoughts to any other issue.

Cars dealers from cotonou don't tamper with their cars unless a frudulent Nigerian is involved,that's why most customers feel secure when buying from cotonou,if anything is missing from your car or it has been tampered with,the best thing to do is hold your agent and demand for explanations.

Good advice about how to figure out if the mileage of the tokunbo car could be true. Its funny how some Nigerians expect to get a less than 100k mileage on cars older than 6 years! An average driver in the US do an average of about 10-20k per year as this poster rightly suggested! But I will like to add a caveat, if the car was used in Benin or Nigeria, don't bother put your money on it even if its less than 100k mileage.

Like the quoted poster above mentioned, most dealers sending cars from the US have had to tamper with their mileage sometimes even though the car was in great condition because Nigerian buyers are often fixated on mileage when all they should care about is the maintenance history and the working condition. The OP should get the VIN of the car and get help from certain threads here on nairaland offering to assist people check car maintenance history. I currently drive a 1997 190k mileage car bought in the US (i live in the US) and have added 5k mileage in the last 6 months with no hassles. All its maintenance records were available and I checked them before the purchase.

36STATES: Another car smuggler destroying Nigerian economy and our commonwealth. Do you understand its against the law to do what you're doing?

Its not against the law as long as you pay duties when bringing them into Nigeria although I would guess that the customs man doesn't pay.

smartchoice: Tell us MORE about the SINCERITY OF THE PDP.

Leave PDP alone! We all know their woes. What the OP is pointing out is that people should not be so desperate to the extent of settling for just anything in the name of kicking out PDP. Our desperation for democracy landed us PDP in 1999 and we are stuck with it till date. At that time, we could have demanded political associations based on ideology and value propositions to the Nigerian people. We just wanted anything but the military and hence PDP. We should open our eyes and demand the real thing now. The current PDP woes present the best opportunity for change but the APC as constituted cannot provide that change because they are not different. Just check their make-up:

- Achike Udenwa (8yrs as PDP Governor of Imo, now a "progressive"
- Tom Ikimi (One of the anti June 12 figures who has suddenly turned "progressive"
- El-Rufai and Femi Fani-Kayode(Both of them are ranting because they lost patronage after OBJ left office. They are now "progressives"
- Rochas Okorocha (Formerly of PDP, lost at several attempts at the Presidency, sacked for fraud by the OBJ regime. Now a "progressive"
- Adamu Aliero (Former Governor of Kebbi under ANPP, cross carpeted to PDP, worked for Yar'Adua's government. Didn't get patronage from GEJ and now back to CPC cum APC as a "Progressive"
- George Akume (8yrs as PDP Governor of Benue. Lost out in the power game for control of PDP machinery in his state after he left office. Now in APC to fight back as a "progressive"
- Governor Ibikunle Amosu (4yrs as PDP Senator of Ogun Central Senatorial District. Defected to ANPP to contest 2007 guber. Attempted to match the then incumbent governor in thuggery but eventually lost. Defected again to APC to contest the guber in 2011 and won. Now a "progressive" governor)

...the list is endless bro!

From what we have seen of APC so far, they are just desperate to get power. They do not have any unique change proposition. They are a bunch of angry and disgruntled losers. Nigerians should demand more than APC!!!!

Intelligence, bobby and booty!!!

Dee60: Some government people wanted to clear the air and they neatly explained why Nigeria should buy a BMW car for 800,000 dollars while in Europe you may not pay more than 80,000 dollars for the same car!

What is the correlation between this and the topic in question? What point are you trying to make?

Dee60: No. It does not. If you go by this, African countries may never win the World Cup. If at 25 years you are still playing in U-17 then by the time you get to the senior team you would be 34 years or so!

Ok, look at it this way. How many European players play beyond 35yrs? Do you know most African players play well beyond their true 40th birthday (about 32-35 years football age)??

Remember Roger Miller at USA '94 was 44 years old (football age). Do you know Okocha, Aghahowa, Taribo West all played well beyond their true 40th birthday? Only a few Europeans can do that!

Our boys are not over-aged if they passed the MRI test.

What many people failed to consider is the fact that when FIFA started competitions in the age group and they were considering age caps, they only considered the development of a European 17yrs, 20yrs and 23yrs olds. People in other continents especially Africa develop at different pace compared to the Europeans. It might take an African boy 20 -25 years to attain the same level of development as a European 17 years old. Take poultry birds as case study, can you compare broilers with the West African specie of chickens? Do they develop at the same pace even if you feed them on the same diet? If no, then think genetic factors!

This argument has been made several times to explain why many true 17yrs old African cannot compete with 17yrs old Europeans. FIFA later recognized this and resorted to using the MRI to gauge what human growth and development would be an equivalent of a European 17yrs old in other continents which to me is a fair comparison because of genetic factors that impact growth. So it is no longer about the true biological age of the players, it is about comparable state of growth and development.

I hope this clears the air.