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The hypocrisy of these people is breathtaking.
They do not hesitate to accuse atheists or people who worship different gods of not having morals.
Then, they cannot even follow the requirements of their religion.
The only "spiritual reasons" recognised by Jesus is adultery.
The bish should disclose all - Is he accusing his wife of adultery?
As the fool has chosen to publicise what should be private, we need to know the truth.

[quote author=Bélla3]you nid the holy spirit.[/quote]No I do not.

She had better not.
In my opinion, money given to a church is money wasted.

neosmyt: Our dear science says 'There is no GOD'. Ok fine.
Science then further says ' Everything now has evolved from one thing or the other.'
It went further to claim that 'man evolved from other animals over a period of years'.
When asked, Dear Science said ' its takes millions of years for evolution to occur', and that 'evolution is a gradual but continuous process'.

When i checked further, Science tells us that 'man has been around for almost 6 billion years'. Wow this is a long period of time i guess.

Ok now Mr Science, you have tried but since evolution is gradual and continuous and takes millions of years, WHY HAS MAN NOT EVOLVED INTO SOMETHING ELSE NOW HAVING STAYED OVER BILLIONS not millions o, BILLIONS OF YEARS.?? And WHY IS THERE NO SIGN THAT MAYBE I MAY TURN TO A CYCLOPS OR WHATEVER SOON? Or should we wait anothe billion years?

Science has failed, simply because they do not want to accept the bible account of creation.

Heaven is real, hell is too. Accept Jesus now and be saved.

The stupidity and ignorance of neosmyt has just been exposed in his post.
Too much reliance on the bible is dangerous.

What exactly is the point of this post?
Another theist taking ill informed potshots at atheists.
How very typical.

vislabraye: Only a fool would say there is no God. There are lots of evidence to prove the supernatural.
If you're student of history, you would learn that Jesus Christ died and rose again. There's alo evidence to show the ark existed. May be the atheists are oblivious of the miracles that take place.
Its only a fool that would say God doesn't exist. And if God doesn't exist there's no supernatural.

Only a fool writes rubbish like the above.
Only a fool makes assertions that have no foundation in reality, like history proves the existence of jesus and that the ark existed.
Only a fool thinks there is evidence to prove the supernatural. Only a fool accepts that god exists with no evidence whatsoever.

[quote author=Bélla3]i dnt get ur question! ARE u atheist?[/quote]What does my being an atheist have to do with the answer to my question?
I just asked you for guidance on how to follow christ without the assistance of a pastor.

[quote author=Bélla3]nawa for this your english o. Any way, i was able to get ur point. Yes, 'christains' of today follow their pastors instead of Christ. Pastor's nw fly in jets, while widows go hungry? Its just appauling![/quote]please, tell us how to follow christ.
This sounds like the "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

I look at the images and see the handiwork of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

One wonders why churches and mosques need these devices.
Aren't their gods capable of preventing suicide bombers from doing their dastardly deeds?

According to reports, he grew up in a Christian home.

goldplated: did he go to church?

What difference would his going to church have made?

noetic16: Atheists assert that there is no God. Usually they lean on science, logic or supposedly superior arguments to assert their claims.

but lets for one minute assume that atheists/atheism is motivated by lack of answers or superstition or evidence as they claim and that science has an answer to everything, what would change in the face of science or evidences available to change your atheistic postulations?

obviously the physical healing of an amputee would not change the mind of someone like mazaje, simply because you can tell that mazaje's atheism is motivated by emotions. somewhere along the line, he prayed for something extremely important, it did not happen, he didnt bother to find out God's opinion, he just concluded that there is no God. The same story applies to a million other atheists on the face of the earth, who probably had a loved one on a sick bed dying of an incurable disease only for them to pray and still yet the person died, hence they concluded that there is no God.

Obviously, these people are misguided as they have no understanding of prayer, God, Jesus, Salvation, Miracles or Christianity. Their mental orientation involves the belief that God is like alaadin jinn, who you simply call on at any time of the day for whatever u want. is this what the scriptures teach? So we had misguided half-baked christians, with unChristlike desires suddenly bitter and professing atheism.

But the crux of the matter is that, since all atheists claim to be atheist due to prevailing evidences or lack of them to support the existence of a creator . ..the question is what evidence would suffice to change your mind? what evidence would change your present dogmatic belief?

This question is important because it allows us to separate emotional atheists from the logical ones. Logical ones lean on intelligence and idealism to argue their case and perhaps can be honest enough to admit the vulnerabilty of their argument.

so what would make you dump atheism?

This really is an ignorant post.
Having reached a conclusion about atheists, a silly question is asked.
Most atheists are atheists because there is no evidence that god exists.
The healing of an amputee would not lead me to the automatic conclusion that "goddidit".
There would have to a total exclusion of natural causes before one considers the supernatural.
You theists should really do better than lazy attempts to rationalize your beliefs in the big sky fairy.

[quote author=Mr_Anony]Oh my God! This is so funny! It's happening all over again!

Mymyers45 asks if morality is truly possible without an authoritative force,
Zodiac creates a strawman by deciding that he knows what mkmyers45 is asking better than that mkmyers45 himself.
From then on, everyone throws in their biases and the real question is ignored.

Una too much! obfuscation-a-plenty!

@mkmyers45. My answer is that: There cannot be a morality without an authoritative source.[/quote]You accuse me of creating a strawman.
Please, tell me what is meant by "An Authoritative Source".
A little honesty is required from theists.
Mymyers is the one who tried to create a strawman, and he got called out.
If you do not understand his question, bully to you, sir,

What is in a name? A rose called by anyone other name ...
The problem here is that people fool themselves into thinking that by giving their kids so-called christian or jewish names, they are setting them up for good things.
I have seen a Nigerian child called Gospel.
Cultural slavery

And the point of this is what?
Priviledged daughter of a Nigerian pastor graduates from from a top class British university.
No one mentions the fact that her father is a parasite and that most of his followers are unable to send their children to school in Nigeria.
No one mentions the fact that his daughter probably could afford to attend university in the UK because of the collections made every week by his congregation.
And finally, no one wonders what is so special about one person out of many graduating that requires special thanks to god.

Why don't you just ask the question you really want to ask - Is morality possible without god?

Yes it is.

I am amazed when Christians and Muslims claim that their gods are the source of morality.

Have they ever read the bible or the Koran?

Anyone who reads both books objectively will come to the conclusion that the gods depicted therein are immoral characters.

tbaba1234: ^ When did karen armstrong become bottom of the barrel... Her book is required reading for most theology courses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Armstrong

tbaba1234: First of all, wikipedia is hardly a good site for siting concrete information....

Anyone spot the contradiction here?

Forgive my impertinence, but how do you explain the difference between god, Jesus and the holy spirit?

2.Is the Holy Spirit a person, just like Jesus and God?


God is ONE not 3.

So the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of GOD , not a different person to GOD.

It seems to me that the holy spirit is different from god. Why would a perfect god need (or even have) a spirit (holy or not)?
It seems to me that you believe in god the father, god the son and god the holy spirit. Seems like three different beings to me.

@tbaba1234,
I do not know whether to laugh or cry at your response to my questions.
Let us just say that your so-called justifications of inequalities in islam are pitiful.
It would be better if you just acknowledge that islam considers women to be inferior to men.
Your justification for the evidence of woman being worth half of that of a man is priceless.

Testimony

The reason for 2 testimonies to one is stated clearly in the ayat i.e "if one of them forgets, the other reminds her." ... Women sometimes have the tasks of raising children, taking care of a home, holding a job... May Allah bless the women in our lives... These tasks are challenging, Men usually do not do half as much. This has nothing to do with the degradation of women. A woman that carries all of these other duties can be forgiven if she forgets a detail in a case.

Priceless. In most islamic societies, woman do not work outside the home. And of course, men in islam do not forget "a detail in a case".

The actions of the 'taliban' shooting anyone for adultery is unislamic in the first place and should be condemned by anyone concerned.. The legal hurdles to cross for a conviction for adultery makes it impossible to get a conviction... In the first 1000 years of Islam, we had only 3-4 conviction from people who confessed themselves and bore testimony against themselves. That, it even happens at all today is an aberration and shows that the legal procedures are not being followed.

Are the taliban not muslims? Do they use the koran as authority for what they do? In case you do not know, when the woman was being murdered, one of the taliban there said "this is the will of allah". Are you saying that he is not muslim? This smacks of "The No True Scotsman" fallacy.

"At a time when feudal Europe was riddled with hierarchy, Islam was presented as an anarchic religion that gave too much respect and freedom to menials, such as slaves and women" Karen Armstrong - Historian

Karen Armstrong is your authority
Scraping the bottom of the barrel, are we??

Adeniyiolusayo: DOES GOD REALLY CARE?

No, because he (she, it) does not exist.

FXKing2012: It should first be noted that atheism was imported to Africa, our forefathers were very religious so atheism was never our thing. I had to clear this out because of the atheists in this forum who keep shouting about how Christianity and Islam were imported to Africa as if atheism was not.
With that cleared, let me give you the 5 arguments that killed atheism:

1) Dreams come true: have you ever dreamed and it later happened to you in real life? Most people (if not all) have experienced this, so how do u explain it if you dont believe in the spirit realm?

2) De javu: Have you ever had a feeling of de javu? If so then how do u explain it away?

3) Universal Order: The order that exists in the universe, given the way the planets and stars complement one another, is just extraordinary and could never have been an accident; how the energy level on earth is just enough for life to flourish; how microbes, plants and animals all complement one another in the delicate balance of life, etc etc. Do you think all these is just one big coincidence? There must be an intelligent being (does not matter the name you choose to call it)behind it all.

4) Cause and Effect: For every cause there is definitely an effect. If there is life on earth and the universe is well balanced, something (or someone) must have caused it - it couldnt have all happened out of nothing.

5) Life on Earth: Life can NEVER come from any inanimate object, so where do u think life came from? There is definitely someone out there who gave life to the first life.

The last time I checked, islam came from Arabians and christianity came from the Europeans, both of whom took our lands whilst giving us their gods and their prejudices.
Having said that if these so-called arguments are the strongest the theists can come up with, atheism has nothing to worry about.
Tripe, like most arguements that claim to disprove atheism.

tbaba1234: Muslim women had rights 1400 years ago that modern women only started to enjoy in the last century.

The right to Inheritance, Education and wealth has always been there for the muslim woman.

Somebody must have forgotten to tell the Saudis and the Taliban about the rights granted to women by allah 1400 years ago.
Every right women have gained, they have had to fight hard for, against men whose gods have told (and continue to tell) them that women are inferior and that women have been created for the benefit of men.
Why is the testimony of women only worth half of men?
Why are women not allowed to drive in Suadi Arabia?
Why does the taliban (and indeed a lot of islamic societies) dislike the idea of women's education?
Why are women not entitled to equal inheritance as their male siblings?
Why do women have to cover themselves with shapeless bags when they appear in public?
The taliban, only a few days ago, murdered a 22 year woman, for the "crime" of adultery. What happened to the man she slept with?
Do you even believe the lies you come out with, or are you just following the "party" line
The idea that any religion, not to mention islam, being the guarantor of women's rights is nonsence on stilts.

More insanity from the christians.
It is a law designed to ensure that as many people as possible have access to health care, for pete's sake.
Of course, the pastors do not like it because it means that their days of fake healings may soon come to an end.
The health insurers do not like it because it reduces their profit margins.
Once again, we see the holyalliance between god and mammon.

tbaba1234: Hi,

The condition for a muslim man to marry a Jew or a christian woman is that the woman is a chaste believing (Jew or christian) woman; It is not just any christian or any Jew.

In the case of a muslim woman, It is not permitted that she marries a non-muslim not even a Jew or christian....

One of the reasons for this could be that a non-muslim husband does not have the religious obligation to fulfill the rights of his muslim wife...

For Instance, Whatever a muslim woman earns from work belongs exclusively to her... she does not have to contribute to the maintenance of the home if she doesn't want to.... It is the responsibilty of the muslim man to maintain and protect his home...

In addition, a muslim woman does not have to change her family name when she gets married... She keeps the name of her father.

Would she have to prepare pork or serve alcohol? Would she be able to keep up with the prayer, fast in ramadan?

You see, a non-muslim man even with the best of intentions might not be able to give her all her rights as a muslim...

This has to be a joke. Please, tell me that this is not meant to be taken seriously.
Rights for women and "muslim" in the same paragraph.

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."

"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master that's all."

Lewis Carroll - Through the Looking Glass.

ajufinz: Who are we to judge another Man's Servant?
BeCarefuL ooooo

There is always one who thinks that certain persons are untouchable because they put "pastor", "reverend" or "bishop" in front of their names.
When would it dawn on all of us that these guys are human beings like the rest of us?
They want to make a living, just like the rest of us.
They eat, sleep, fart, love, hate, cheat, lie etc just like the rest of us.
There is absolutely nothing special about Okotie or any of the other self professed men of god.

One of the things I like about the religious forum is the fact that it reminds me of how sane I am
You would think that people would have better things to do than to worry about non-existent things like "demon hour" (whatever that is supposed to mean).
And these are supposed to be "intelligent" people.
Is it a wonder that we are unable to do anything useful in Nigeria.
The only successful business is the church business, and it helps their pastors to perpetuate idiocy to keep the congregration under control.

papatosibe: dived is correct! Whats your beef?

Dived and dove are both correct.

gendebs: With the constant attack I read from Atheists on this forum any time a Christian topic is been posted, forced me to paste this cos. I don't know what it is with them, but I find
that most of them simply don't want to do their homework. They attack Christianity, often misrepresent it, and fail to learn when corrected. I mean, it is truly amazing. It is as though they don't care about accuracy as long as they can deny God. In light of this, I've developed the list below of suggestions for atheists in the hopes that they might improve their approach.
Now, many atheists will scoff at this list, mock it, say I'm guilty of the same thing, etc. I expect that because they deny the true and living God, and for the most part have to argue and dispute everything. Because of their constant badgering and contrary attitude that seems to dominate everything they say, I've grown more and more reluctant to dialogue with them because it seems they simply do not want to study what they criticize and they don't want to present their arguments in a cogent, non-volatile manner. They very often use pejorative terms, demeaning phrases, and refuse to learn. Anyway, I digress. Following is the list of suggestions I have for the atheists.
1. Understanding what you attack - This is a huge one for atheists. They attack Christianity and, in my opinion, frequently fail to understand what they are criticizing.
2. Learn biblical theology - A lot of answers to objections can be found in basic Christian theology. For example, the Trinity is not three gods. Jesus has two natures: divine and human.
Justification is a legal act and sin is a legal problem.
3. Learn from correction - When a faulty understanding of
Christianity is corrected, they very often deny the correction and
defend their error.
4. Don't be stupid, a tough one for them. But you can do it if you
strain yourselves.
5. Don't use incendiary statements - like the one I used in point 4
above. It was an example of what not to do since it raises
emotional blocks that prevent rational discourse. (I have to admit I struggle with this one when dealing with atheists. I guess you can
say that I'm jaded after all my dialogues with them -- something I have to work on.)
6. Don't use emotionally laden terminology - This only detracts from
the argument. For example, atheists will use terms like magic,
magic sky god, christian fantasy, christian mythology, etc., when
attacking Christianity. Such terms only close the doors of
communication.
7. Be respectful to what we believe - You don't have to agree with
Christianity. But you need to realize that if you, for example, insult
Jesus our Savior, all you do is make yourself look bad, get people
defensive, and make atheists, as a whole, look like obstreperous
twits.
8. Use logic and evidence - when attempting to refute Christianity.
9. Read biblical passages in context - It seems that atheists refuse
to do this and just jump on a standard "contradictions" without
researching the context
10. Don't cut and paste from anti-Christian websites - Too often
atheists want others to do their thinking and research for them so
they cut and paste really bad, poorly researched stuff from other
sites.
I'm sure I'll be modifying this list as time goes on and I'm sure that
atheists will attack me for it, say I'm a hypocrite, insensitive, etc.
Like I said, they just argue about everything.

Dream on.
Look up "the courtier's reply."

FXKing2012: [b]You are giving me a list of books written by atheists (lol). Go and watch Atmosphere for Miracles by Christ Embassy church to see people who have been touched by God. I was healed too so I know and believe.
In the olden days when our fore-fathers relied purely on charms when they go to war, are u telling me their charms didnt work yet they used charms successfully back then?
Soldiers who tie a red napkin to their guns, are u saying they are fools?
OPC members who fought police to a standstill in SW Nigeria few years ago achieved that feat by the use of charms.
What about people who come out to confess they are witches?
What about politicians who make heavy use of charms?
What about people who fight over land and they use charms to eliminate one another?
People who come out all the time to testify of God's healing and miracles in their lives nko? The list is endless.

Havent u ever dreamed only for the dream to come to reality in th future? Havent u ever had a feeling of deja vu? Pls explain these?[/b]

This nonsense is put forward as evidence of the existence of god.
I laugh in Yoruba, Ibo, Hausa and Tiv.
Surely, you can do better than fake healing, witches and dreams.
Charms and whatnot.
I pity you.

FXKing2012: Could u PLEASE show us the evidence of evolution.

You would not accept any evidence because it shows that the bible is wrong.
If you are interested read the following books _
The Blind Watchmaker - Richard Dawkins,
The Greatest Show on Earth - Richard Dawkins,
Why Evolution is True - Jerry Coyne.
But of course, you will not read any of them, because they may destroy your faith in the "one true scientific tome" - the bible.
You show me one piece of evidence which shows that god (any god) exists.

OLAADEGBU: We can see that this president is the first "Gay" president. He is also for the lowering of the age of consent from age 17 to 13. This administration approved the bill that legalises Sodomy and Bestiality in the U.S. Military among many other vices.

What is the christian age of consent? I do not see it mentioned in the bible.
As for "Obamcare". how does it concern you, are you american?
Is it not like the NHS in the UK?
Why are you christians seemingly opposed to healthcare for the poorest members of society?
Does not seem christian to me.
And why are men so concerned about the sex.ual health of women? How does contraception threaten christians?
And who are you to decide what is good for everyone else? If people really accept the dogma of their religions, they do not have to accept contraception or whatever it is that offends the fundamentalists this week.