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kinguwem: Pastor Chris Okotie should be cautious about marrying another wife. He may set a dangerous precedent for his members. He needs a lot of prayers.

Prayers have not saved two marriages. Why does anyone think that he needs prayers?
As for setting precedents for his members (I presume that you mean members of his church), only a fool would model his life on his pastor's.

FXKing2012: Pls tell me why you chose to believe in evolution theory which has no real basis and not believe in God?

I do not believe in evolution. I accept that evolution best explains my existence and yours.
I accept this because there is overwhelming evidence to support evolution.
On the other hand, there is absolutely no evidence to support the existence of god.
You ask me why I prefer evolution to god. The answer is self evident - evidence.

truthislight: kay17
u need to do better than this,
ma man, when i read ur post i always get excited,

but u just posted that the bible said that the "earth is flat"

Try and read Isaiah 40.22. ( = earth a circle)

Bro, i do expect more from u. (honesty)
its a virture u know.

At least, lets be honest, who knows?
Dishonesty destroys the mind.
Peace

Before you get on your high horses, read Isaiah 40.22 again, and contemplate the shape of the earth.
It would stretching logic too far to say that the earth is a circle.
No matter what spin you seek to put on it, the bible got it wrong.
The earth is not a circle, it is a sphere.
You ask for honesty, it would be nice if you tried some honesty.
As you say, dishonesty destroys the mind.

alaoeri: Ending 2nd marriage after 4years, is okotie a real rev. or a player? Mtscheeew

He is neither.
He is a human being like the rest of us.
Whether one agrees with his decision or not, the reality is that marriages fail. Not even god can do anything about it.
Of course, the fundie position would be to stay in an unhappy relationship.
When it comes to the crunch, the man forgets that jesus diapproved of divorce.
Good for you, Kris.

Please, spare us this urban myth.
This particular lie has been exposed time and time again.
Why christians keep on spreading this untruth is beyond me.

Why should it be a problem?

Ayomivic: Are you saying there are no spirits or supernatural being ?

To put it kindly, I am yet to be persuaded that there are spirits or supernatural beings.
If, however, you can provide falsifiable and testable evidence of the existence of such beings, I may change my mind.

Please, spare us this urban myth.
This particular lie has been exposed time and time again.
Why christians keep on spreading this untruth is beyond me.

It does not matter how many bible verses are quoted.
It does not matter how many times one seeks solace in the koran.
It does not matter which of the numerous gods you believe in.
It does not even matter that you are a member of the church of satan.
What matters is that your belief in god, allah, ra, ogun, sango (or whatever appellation you give your particular sky fairy) is mere superstition.
You may be right that I cannot prove that god does not exist, but you cannot prove that it exists either.
So we have something of a stalemate here, or do we?
The reality is that objective evidence points to the non-existence of god.
Yes, I am a sceptic.
You theists would just have to live with the fact that there are people who do not buy your delusions.

FXKing2012: Only a completely dumb person wld believe in evolution theory as we were taught in sch.

Only a fool believes in a sky fairy.
[quote author=real_Berni]@zodiac61,

why are you angry? now, you called God 'a murderer ever' now you are angry with someone calling you a mere goat. are you not?

at least you believed in evolution,evolutionist belived in that transformation, so you have existed as a goat before, eating grass and transformed to ape climbing and jumping from one tree to another,so its not an insult,because thats what you choose to believe,though, maybe you are unconscious then until you were born human that you are conscious,...evolution indeed.

see what virus (in blue) has done to your reasoning;

and your quote below,if you dont know;


they were as a result of sin, and will soon be fixed when OUR GOD, THE GREAT AND INTELIGENT DESIGNER DESTROY SATAN THE DEVIL.


Revelation 12:9-15
King James Version (KJV)
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, [size=14pt]having great wrathbecause he knoweth that he hath but a short time[/size].,

Now this piece of information from sacred scripture has been penned down 3,500 yrs ago,show us the author of your so called intelligent books you claimed,and see that they are not as old as those that wrote the sacred scriptures, the content ofyour so called books are irrelevant and can only does what a virus would do to a system, while the prophesies of last days are here right now, evident in the 1st and 2nd world war that claimed 1/3rd and 2/3rd of the earth inhabitant, which evidently shows satans great anger, because there has never be a recorded war of those magnitude ever on earth,i stand to be disputed with records on wars ever.

you call all these above delusions? you deaden your brain such that you cant appreciate any good things around you,you dont even have any hope how you will end up your life, no hope and no directions because of laziness, tell me the truth, are you better than a goat? no, so you are one, its not an insult,

goat-in-humans skin,enjoying fundamentals of humanright, ungratefull animal.[/quote]Did you detect anger in my post? Or maybe my post was a little to close to home.
When you resort to ad hom abuse, you know you have lost the argument.
I do not intend to waste any more of my time on you.

[quote author=real_Berni]@zodiac61
just listen to yourself below,(bolded)



you found yourself existing as a human being with inteligent features but not ready to give the credit to an inteligent being behind it,you are not there when you are formed to determine the kind of being you do like or the exact way you want to appear, it would have been better that you appear as a goat,and ripped of all human right you are enjoying right now undeservedly,

you lived in the only planet that living things exist,in which the distance of the earth from the sun is so programmed in such a way that the earth is neither too cold nor too hot for living things,or the fact that as the earth and other planets revolves round the sum,they never jam,but

then you dismiss that as not a proof of an inteligent being.what else

just look at the planet earth alone, are you not too infinitestimal in it?,now you are not ready to learn about God,but (if) you are a responsible person, and you are being critisized by someone that you provide for,you will demand respect from such a person.
how much more God who provide inteligent creatures and made human their king,cant we wait and study his ways?
maybe God thought that maybe someone might come from you or your family to serve him that is why he spare you as a human because he gives his creatures time to decide.

if inteligent creation exist by accident you cant prove it, but one thing stands out;
GARBAGE IN,GARBAGE OUT.that is if datas are not inteligently organised,it will never give inteligent result,never.your cloth fabrics was inteligently hewn together forming a pattern,before it was sewn to exact size of yours, you admire the color and the size,hence you buy it,but have you ever being to a cloth factory before? there you will see hundred of millons of piecces of tiny pieces of fabrics separeted by several units and rotates round the industrial machine forming cloth,with awe you wonder who sat down to design these,and wonder if what you pay to buy your cloth really worth it,..anyway that is if you ever have the appreciating faculty or you have rendered it dead and unresponsive and thats why you are not better than a goat in that state that you have put yourself.

it is pure waste of time debating with self-made-goats, anyway im not going to be surprised if you insult,go ooooon.[/quote]You dismiss all the evidence which supports evolution because it does not support the writings of people who lived between 5,000 and 2,000 years ago.
That is your your perogative, however, just because you are a creationist does not make your beliefs correct or true.
There is no evidence of any intelligence behind your existence or mine.
Your arguments are really from ignorance and are not worthy of a reply.
Are you sure there is an intelligent designer behind childhood cancer, HIV, malaria, leprosy etc?
Had people shared your beliefs, we would still think that mental illnesses are signs of demonic possession.
You probably still do. That is your problem.
Yor think that the human body is evidence of intelligent design? Bully to you.
There are books from intelligent and clever persons that would show you otherwise. However, there is no use recommending any of them to people like you.
You are not willing to learn anything that would shake you from your delusions.

FXKing2012: Again, there is something called free-will given to all being by God which makes us responsible for our actions. The devil chose to rebel against God using his free-will and he was cast out of heaven, and he is the source of all the pain, loss and grief in the world today. Hope u know u can not tell me about a God you dont believe in or dont even know exists, I'm the one who can tell u about God cos I know He exists and have a relationship with Him.

Have you met him?
Have you seen him?
No and no.
There are people who have relationships with allah, ogun, zeus ra and so on.
All illusionary.
Your relationship with god is not evidence of his existence.
I used to have a relationship with Santa Claus, and then I grew up.
I hope you will grow up some day.
Have you ever heard of the courtier's reply?
Look it up, you might learn a thing or two.

ijawkid: God didn't kill jobs kids if u ever read ur bible well...

Satan did....

God only allowed it......

God allowing is not d same as causing.....

U dig??

When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging. U dig
This is just making excuses for a being who, if he exists, is the greatest murderer ever seen.
It is obvious that have not read your bible.
If you have, you would not come up with tripe like you have above.

As for the topic itself, who does the poster think is responsible for evil/pain/loss?
I am an atheist so I do not attribute anything to a non existent being.
However, if you are a christian, god has to be responsible for everything that happens. Afterall, according to your beliefs, he is omnipotent and every thing that happens, happens because he wills it to happen.
Do not blame satan for your god's inadequacies.

Good, at least now you are half way there.
Now, all you need to do is acknowledge that the words reason and religon do not not go together.
Or are you incapable of judging christianity the same way that you judge islam or other religons.

frosbel: I had a once in a life time spiritual encounter while an undergraduate at UI, something which happened instantaneously , I cannot describe the overwhelming joy and peace that came upon me, it was as if a great burden had been lifted , this was a while back.

Now I agree people do have varying degrees of experiences, mine had no weird manifestation, just a love for God and a deep thirst for his word and indescribable joy.

What is quite funny, at the time I was a poser, a drinker and quite literally a lover of fine women , cigar, cigarettes and of course wine.

All these desires [b]died [/b]on the same day I got born again and I aint joking.


So it was not a blind leap of faith.
thanks.

Wrong, it certainly was a blind leap of faith.

The man was not voted into office to pray for Nigeria.
There are enough pastors and imams who claim that they are praying for the country, with no results.
If god does not answer the prayers of his "chosen ones", why should it answer the president's fake prayers?
The man was elected to do something about Nigeria's sieemingly intractable problems.
The longer he remains on his knees the less time he has to attempt to solve the country's problems.

FXKing2012: A curse/blessing/prayer etc take effect in the spiritual realm the very moment the pronouncement is made but may take a while to manifest in the physical.

What is this place called the spiritual realm?
How do I get there?
How do I know that a curse/blessing/prayer has taken effect in this non-existent spiritual realm?
Stop digging a massive hole for yourself
This appears to be an example of sophiticated theology at work.

suggary: My friend 35 single and jobless just arrived my house this evening with a black bag containg three candles,5 satchet water,angel micheal perfume,love and attraction oil,open breakthrough door oil,anointing oil and mustard seed.she said a pastor gave them to her after a deliverance prayer to open her way for a husband and a job.I told her dat these were not needed only prayers but she argued dat she has been prayer for over five years for a breakthrough and maybe this method would work.she gave me some many examples of poeple who were successfull using this method.do this tins work and has any body tried this method.I want the best for my friend,if this would open her way (according to her )I don't want to be a barrier.

I want some angel micheal perfume.
What does it smell like?
I wonder now if my wife used love and attraction oil on me
15 years later and I still love her.
As for open breakthrough door oil, why do you need oil to breakthrough doors? a good locksmith or hefty shoulders are all you need.
Prayers - Your friend gave you the right answer. Five years and still waiting.
Maybe if she actually went out looking for work and a husband (if she is that desperate for one), she might succeed.
Candles, perfume,oil (angels micheal, gabriel or mordecai) deliverence prayers - all waste of time and energy. They do not work.

mctemmy: Saudi brainwashed its gullible adherents to kill and get 12 hyme-intact virgins in heaven.
While, Israel brainwashed its gullible adherents to die poor in order to live in paradise in heaven. Ni*gga, you were born in Bariga behind the lagoon and brought up in Mushin ajina and lives in AJ city still pushing weights. You are so broke and dreaming of paradise in heaven, Ni*gga, you better check in your head before you are getting righteous, tell God if you die and heaven doesn't look like ghetto you are not coming, God will understand

Wrong number - it is 72 virgins.
Would you not do anything to get 72 virgins?
What you might do with them is another matter, since a knowledgeable muslim told me that they remain virgins forever.

FXKing2012: I do not and dont intend to reason independent of the Bible, I believe the Bible 100%.

In other words, you do not think for yourself.
At last, a honest christian (if such a creature is not a contradiction in terms).

Is this not like the pot calling the kettle black?
Followers of the two most misogy'nistic religions outdoing themselves trying to determine which hates women the more.
Priceless

edicolove: You can call it whatever you want, but Atheism isn't new. It is man rebelling against God and it started long time ago as far back as the time of Nimrod. It is the same principle behind the building of the tower of babel.

This is the problem I have with these posts.
A lot of hot air, making self-contradictory assertions.
Do you know what atheism is? Do you not feel that you ought to know what things are before unleashing your ignorant rantings upon humanity?
Seeing that atheists say that there is no evidence of the existence of god, saying that "it is man rebellling against god" is as ignorant as it comes.
The rest of the rant is just plain silly and senseless.

edicolove: Actually atheism is a deception. There is nothing like a non-believer. Everyone believes in something. A man that says he doesn't believe in God is simply saying he is his own god. So in the real sense there is nothing like atheism. You see, these things are coined by the devil to deceive men. That is what was prophesied in the book of revelation. The number 666 is actually talking about a system coming where man will declare that he is his own god. That is what is being spread by hiphop artists around. Hiphop is founded on the principle that man doesn't need god since he is his own god. The biggest deception of the devil is the concept of neutrality. And it is very dangerous. Why? Because neutrality doesn't exist. The universe does not support the concept of neutrality. You must belong somewhere.

Absolute rubbish.
There is nothing about this post that makes sense.
All you are doing is exposing your ignorance and prejudice.

We all remember Lot's wife.
Afterall, she was the salt of the earth

Another woman hating post.
Why am I not surprised?
You can be sure that god hates women (supposed to have been created by him).
I guess that since man was created in his image, he had no template for the female of the species.
He probably thought that the woman was getting too big for her shoes.

The oath does not really matter, the duty of every witness in court is to tell the truth regardless of what that witness's superstition is.
In my experience, it is those who swear on the bible and the koran who tell the biggest lies in court.

According to the christian and muslim gods, being female is the sin.
Why worry about females wearing trousers?
They cannot talk in church, they are under men, they cannot enter the mosque, their evidence is worth a quater of that of a man,
men control their lives and we are worried whether wearing trousers is sinful.
Who cares except those irrational people who believe in sky fairies.

Still waiting (yawn).
2000 years and still waiting (yawn).
No doubt, we will still be waiting (and yawning) tomorrow.
If jesus could not keep his promise to return during the life times of those would saw and listened to him, why should we believe he would return?
In fact, why should we accept that the man jesus rose from the dead in the first case?

She should have stayed there.

Kay 17: Adele is a demon from Hell.

Her music is good though.
I would rather listen to her than to gospel music.

Why only 7 pastors. Has there ever been a pastor who delievered on his promises?
What about the fools who patronise them? Why have they not been arrested for stu.pidity?
This, frankly, is not news. If you believe in crap, you get crap.

What baffles me is why anyone wants to spend even one second in church.

Absolute rubbish. Another example of sophisticated theology at play.