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Evil Brain:
OP is a re.tard. I would explain why but what's the point? Most people here are completely closed-minded and impervious to reason and rationality. I'd rather spend my time doing something productive.

I agree.
It is nice toying with the mor0n though.

OLAADEGBU:
The Bible never claims to be a science textbook.  The Bible, nevertheless, claims to be "true from the beginning" (Psalm:160).  Therefore, every specific reference about science in the Bible must be accurate.  Your only option is to rely on your preconceived beliefs about what happened in the past when no one was there to witness it.  God, as an eyewitness as to what happened in the past has revealed to us in the creation account in the book of Genesis.

What the bible claims to be and what the bible really is are two different things.
Like I said, dream on.

OLAADEGBU:
Do you believe that the universe had a beginning?  You've got to come up with your points if you disagree.

The question is: do you believe the universe had a beginning or it has always been.  True science will always come back to confirm what the Bible says.

The Bible is clearly unlike any other document in history.  Every claim it makes about science is not only true but crucial for filling in the blanks of our understanding about the origin of the universe, the earth, fossils, life and human beings.  The more we study and learn about the world, the more we come to appreciate the Bible's flawless, supernatural character.

Dream on, sucker 



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Modern Science in the bible
Please, don't make me laugh 
Try as hard as you want, you will not find it there.

OLAADEGBU:
The Bible explains when God intervened supernaturally at key points in history in ways that affect what astronomers, geologists, biologists and anthropologists study.  Without the Bible record such as the creation account in Genesis, we would be in the dark about these events, but with it we can understand the world as we see today.

Below are a few examples where the Bible has made a claim that science is only now beginning to recognise:

Astronomy.

The Bible claims the universe had a beginning.  Philosophers and scientists rejected that claim for over 2,000 years, but now astronomers believe the universe had a beginning which they now call the "big-b@ng", even though it still has a very different time frame.

Utter rubbish. Is this the best you can find?
How do chapters 1 & 2 of Genesis match the big b@ng?
I know the theists are desperate for scientific underpinnings for their superstitious nonsense, but this, pleaseee 
Science does not confirm the bible. Science debunks the bible.

Another one ready for the loony bin.

kpolli:
So your judging Christianity based one pastor. . . .

It is obvious you have never experienced a miracle or u dunno how to appreciate one. . . .

Wake up, u didn't create the world. . . Someone did and He aint human. . . .

Because if we evolved, by now humans wud have grown wings

What is this - the Stu.pid convention?
Have you ever seen a miracle, or are you relying on other people's hearsay evidence?
What is the non-human that created your world - the Spagetti Flying Monster?
Why would humans have grown wings by now? Please, tell us why wings are essential, or even necessary, for human survival.
A modicum of intelligence is necessary here.
You do not have to repeat what you have been told in church or mosque.

[quote author=BABE! link=topic=749074.msg9055438#msg9055438 date=1314885187]Atheists are awesome peopleS. I have them as friends, so I can as well date one. Marry? If he's the "perfect" guy, I'm so gonna marry him---  

The only diff. I see between me and an atheist is that, I have a better Insurance policy, or rather I have an insurance and they don't.[/quote]The triumph of hope over reality. You hope you have an insurance policy. You don't.
You don't need one, once you are dead, you are dead.

pinkrex:
If you are from the west then I can understand why you think the way you are thinking. 'Bunch of brainwashed i.diots' that dont even have a clue as to why they were created

Says one i.diot who is brainwashed by the bible and his pastor.

None of them. The money was not god's to start with.
The money given to the church could have been used to do better things.

Goldieluks:
I compared Atheist to Ga.y people,because these two groups,know deep down that they are doing
the wrong,but they are always quick to defend their act/religious belief,whenever the need arises.

What the hell does this crap mean?
I can now see that NL is full of morons who do have a clue about what they write.
If you have nothing useful to say, shut up.
I have not read such moronic nonsense in a long time.
How do you compare one's sexuality with a lack of belief in god?
For your information, atheism is not a religious position. I know that you godbots like to pretend that it is.

Azibalua:
The bible contains the infallible word of god, whether you believe it or not it does not change a thing.

Since you believe that the bible is infallible, please, answer the following questions :

1. Was man created before the other animals or after?
2. How many of each animal did Noah take on the ark?
3. Is wisdom a good or a bad thing?
4. Does god visit the sins of the father on the son or not?
5. What were the last words of Jesus before he died?
6. Did god or satan provoke David into conducting a census?
7. How did Judas die?
8. Has any man acsended into heaven?
9. Is it good to be married or not?
10. Should one honour one's parents or not?

Answers please, quoting chapter and verse. If you want want to, you may try to explain the contradictions away.

Azibalua:
Without living the life of a giver your prosperity only results in destruction
Proverbs 1:32
32 For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.

Destruction of what
Those to whom you give your money do not not appear to give - they prosper whilst the giver sinks ever deeper into penuary.
The tithes do not feed the hungry, house the homeless or educate the poor.
They allow people like Chris and Anita and the GO live lives of unprecedented luxury.
You can find a quote in the bible for anything. Unfortunately, the bible is a useless book, full of dubious wisdom and morality.

vedaxcool:
One would have expect you to reflect and get to the root of the matter rather than this rash classification accross board.

What exactly has been said that does not reflect the prejuduces of the christians who have posted on this topic?
They have all condemned the behaviour of the pastors of the churches concerned, without reflecting on whether the opening of their churches to persons of other faiths may be considered christian behaviour.
Most of the christians here have condemned all muslims as terrorists without exception.
What exactly do you consider to be rash about my comments?

This post and the responses so far show the evil religions are.
The posters claim to be christians. They are haters.
That is what their god wants - hate those who do not believe the same fables they believe in.

Image123:
Prayer is very much UNDER-RATED. The big problem is that some many prayers are 'UNHEARD'. Some many others are answered in the NO mode.

Some sayings from Jesus contradict the above.

Mark 11.24 - "Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours."

Matthew 7.7 -  “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

Matthew 21.21 -' Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. '

John 14. 12 -14 - "Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. 13 And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it."

Matthew 18.19 -  “Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven."

According to the words of Jusus, there should be no unanswered prayer. Jesus is quite clear about that.
Clearly, he was wrong, hence the need for his modern day followers to make make excuses.

Is prayer overrated? Definitely Yes.

2buff:
No. it is not.

And if not for Christ making prayers of mercy for you right now, you'd be gone by now.

Bless you and try for your own good not to bad-mouth things you [b]very clearly [/b]do not understand.
pointless foolhardiness is not wise.

The vast majority of people living today do not believe in Jesus. They live long and friutful lives in their unbelief.
Why do these godbots think that disagreeing with their deluded superstitious beliefs amounts to foolhardiness
It is very easy to hide your ignorance behind the writings from a clearly superstitious age. At least the writers had an excuse - they did not know any better.
What is the christbots excuse for their ignorance?
they take pride in their foolishness and accuse unbelievers of the same.
If prayer works, why is the world is the state it is in?
You create a spoiled, narcissistic monster, call it god and and then depend on said being.
What a way to live one's life.

Frosbel is one of the most judgemental "christians" on Nairaland.
What a hypocrite.

Yes, it is.

Another one bites the dust.
i thought Jesus is enough for pastors.
What were the drugs for?

End Times
People die in hotel rooms all the time.
What is so special about this one?

frosbel:
^^^


Obviously catholics have no qualms if the name of JESUS CHRIST is blasphemed , it is Mary that concerns them.


So tell me you believe that Mary was born sinless , right ?

You believe that Mary remained a virgin till the day she died ?

You believe that Mary ascended to Heaven, right ?


If you believe all the above, you need to repent of your idolatry and follow Jesus Christ. These are pagan beliefs.

Says one superstitious person to another.

You believe that god created the world in 6 days?
You believe that god destroyed the world in a flood?
You believe that that a man called Jesus was born of a virgin?
You believe that said man performed a number of miracles, including raising a man from the dead?
You believe that said man died and rose again from the dead 3 days later?
You believe that the laws of nature are suspended for christians (that is, your definition of a christian)?

Why don't you examine your beliefs before condemning the beliefs of others?
I believe that your beliefs are wrong, but hey, you are entitled to believe whatever tickles your fancy.

were they the results of virgin births?
If so, what miracles.
If not, the man should shut up, seeing that the art of making babies (se.x) is repulsive to his god.

No doubt, he will take credit for the fact that 80 members of his congregation had babies.
Of course, he will not mention those who have been praying for babies for years without success.

Gray Beard:
All dis is just kindegarten spagetti reasoning.

Take eye read wetin you post - e just resemble indomie noodles wey no get maggi inside. E no get shape, e no gat form, na just olodo talk wey you dey write dia.

You norr get shame?

Start with this kewshun -

Do you expect the creator of the universe to be a lawless being? If the universe is governed by laws, then the creator must be the personification of those laws. As such asking dumbass questions which fixate on fantastical miracles ignoring the laws of creation instituted by the creator is just plain illiterate.

Ya brain dey inside ya yansh

In other words, "my god is incapable, don't rub it in."

Gray Beard:
He was mocking God with the question about amputteees. The bible says thou shalt not tempt the lord thy God.

How is a question about the inability of an omnipotent god to cure an amputee mocking god? He is an incompetent god if he cannot. This is not mocking him, this is the reality.

Remember what Epicurus said "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

Is asking god to do that which his believers claim he is capable of tempting him? How very curious.

[quote author=Rhino.5dm link=topic=735006.msg8920049#msg8920049 date=1313323417]1. Yes God exist. How do i know? Because i believe without evidence>> Theist

2. No he doesn't. How do i know? Because i believe without evidence>> Atheist[/quote]This in an attempt to claim that the athiest's position is a religious one. It is not. What the athiest is saying is that there has been no satisfactory evidence that points to the existence of god. When such falsifible evidence is provided, most athiests, being rationalists, would be willing to accept the existence of such a being. This of course would not answer the question of whether such a being would be the christian, muslim etc god.

[quote author=Rhino.5dm link=topic=735006.msg8920049#msg8920049 date=1313323417]But i personally believe you are not going to loose anything, if you later found out that truely God exist, probably when you are death. Its all gamble. Dont be on the loosing side.[/quote]Pascal's Wager - In my opinion, a very dishonest reason to worship god. Besides, this provides no evidence for the existence of god.

tbaba1234:
The insignificance of the earth in respect to the rest of the world does not preclude the existence. Look at it this way,The existence of the universe is evidence of the existence of a creator:: Let's look at it logically::

This is begging the question. The existence of the universe does not provide evidence for either proposition. The universe just is.

tbaba1234:
We use cell phones to communicate, This is enabled by electro-magnetic  waves:: We can't see it but we know it exists. So the fact the we can't see everything around us does not mean there is no Creator:'

Now let's examine the creation. You will agree with me that this Universe had a beginning. We do not live in an infinite universe, stars are born and stars die. The  Universe as a whole had a starting point ( the big b?ang?).

We know that electro-magnetic waves exist. the question is - how do we know that it exists? Not because a 'holy book' tells us so, but because persons who are far more knowledgeble in this field than me have tested the proposition that electro-magnetic waves exist using the scientific method. This is the method that theists claim should not be used to try to determine the existence or otherwise of god, because "god is beyond science".

Your use of the word "creation" is, of course, loaded. It implies that the universe was willed into being. Why should this be the case?

tbaba1234:
Common logic tells you that whatever begins to exist has a cause, If you walk through a desert and you see a foot print. You know someone passed there.
Therefore, since the Universe began to exist, so the universe has a cause.

Now we have proven that the universe has a cause but we have not proven that God is the creator.

Common logic does not tell me any such thing. As far as the universe is concerned, I do not know. But if one accepts what you say, then the cause of the universe itself must have a cause. We could go on finding causes for ever.

tbaba1234:
Now this cause must  be finite and singular because the possibility of an infinite cause makes no sense because infinity has no definition in reality and the cause must be singular because multiple causes would create a world in chaos.

I have tried to understand this sentence. I am afraid, it is beyond comprehension.

One can now confirm that the GO is a joke.
Nigeria is in a very sorry state, Adeboye has been praying to god for decades and Nigeria gets worse everyday.
Where has god been? Certainly not interested.
How is he going to solve the Middle East problem?
Isn't god responsible for the problem in the first place.
Why hasn't he solved the problem before now?
How many more people must die before he feels the need to intervene?

dankol:
I admire your constructive question. Let me ask u dis question. Do u realy tink everytin in d world just came 2 b, d sky, d ocean, mountain and wat av u. Also av u heard of strange powers lik d occult, witches, mermaid, ifa, amadioha nd odas nd av u com in contact with any of dis, my dear, we belif in difer tins as gods bt i tel u God exist. Rememba It is only a fool dat says there is no God

The existence of the world, the sky, the oceans, mountain and even human beings is not evidence for the existence of god. This is the classic "god of the gaps" arguement. It goes something like this - we cannot explain how something happened, therefore, god did it. This kind of argument is designed to prevent knowledge. Until the germ theory of disease was accepted, people thought that illnesses like cholera and so on were the results of sinful behaviour. When it became accepted in enlightened circles, there were clergymen who decried it because it took the mystery out of disease.

As far as occult, witches, mermaids, ifa and all that nonsense, have you personally experienced any such crap? Even if you have, that would not be accepted as evidence that god exists, as your personal experience does not amount to anything.

Only a fool would accept things without evidence.

Joagbaje:
^^^
you're right, people go to bible school or ministerial school just to aquire more knowledge.

No one goes to bible school to acqiure more knowledge.
People go to bible school to confirm their bias.
What knowledge is there to acquire from a book of myths and infantile fiction?

frosbel:
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All these Catholic and Orthodox heretics who were not Christians to begin with have now converted to Islam which in ma ;Dny respects is as pagan and false.

They are all the same chip of the old block of paganism and idol worship

No true Scotsman. Coming from frosbel why am I not surprised.

This childish competition between two deluded groups is very amusing.
My Di.ck is bigger than yours, meanwhile the world is crashing down around you.
Your gods are helpless and useless, yet you arefyfu fighting yourselves over nothing.

I am not surprised - I knew that this was going to happen.
The words are quite clear and easy to understand.
But oh no!! Not to the believer - There always has to be a twist to the tale.
Exegesis the theist would call it - The art of making biblical words not mean what they say.
Dishonesty - the rest of of us would call it.

8000 more bloodsuckers and conmen.
8000 more ignorant fools who claim to be 'god's annointed.'
8000 more parasites, feeding on the fears of the people.
8000 more morons promising what cannot and will never be delievered.

Live to give - To Chris and Anita.
Very good advice indeed.
The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.